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Main Boards => The Shooters FORM Board => Topic started by: SaMbO2 on November 03, 2010, 03:07:00 PM
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The use of back tension? The use of a double anchor point? Just all the things i hear you guys tell people to use and i dont use them and i shoot just fine, i just have a hard time understanding it :knothead: .
Why is this?
I dont mean any disrespect to people who shoot with those methods.
Thanks and God Bless.
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Consistency is key no matter what. I don’t care how good your form and all is if you are not constant. You can be way out of whack, but if you do it the same each time it will work. Sounds like you are just real consistent.
Correct form just helps with eliminating the variables and thereby the ups and downs you get more often with a less accurate and repeatable anchor and form. Often I find the ups and downs with incorrect form to be harder to identify the cause and correct. I would also suspect that what works well for you, may not provide the highest level of accuracy you could be capable of obtaining with more correct form and better anchor, but that is purely a guess.
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Oh, and you could be short drawings or collapsing thus robbing yourself of a longer and better power stroke.
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Your idea of 'just fine' might not be someone else's idea of 'just fine'.
Also, having proper form/alignment will make you more accurate in the field with un-orthodox shots that get offered from time to time.....different cant angles, shot angles, torso twists, body positions, etc.....
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If you are shooting just fine, why are you asking the question? Just curious.
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McDave because i am wondering why i shoot good without the use of those methods.If that answers your question?
Terry whats your idea of fine? About the weird shot angles i can shoot anywhere from standing to laying FLAT on my belly on the ground or sitting on my butt flat on the ground without any trouble.
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Just keep shooting. You are utalizing good form if you are nailing the spots you want to hit. I would avoid overthinking it.
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SamBo.....you're a natural. :goldtooth:
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If your hitting what your looking at the don't fret it and shoot.
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Im not sure how im a natural but all i did was look at my hero freds form and thats what i got.
If i was able to post a video of my form i would but i dont have a photo bucket thing to post it with.
Thanks for posting guys most people wouldnt take the time to talk to a 16 year old about shooting form.
Thanks and God Bless.
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SaMbo2
If you're shooting the way your hero did, you're doing the things you don't think you are - I suspect what we have here is much more of a terminology issue than a shooting issue.
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Which Fred?
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Fred bear.
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Maybe start a youtube account and put your video on there and then post a link to it on here. :)
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Classic form became classic because hundreds of generations of archers figured out that it is the easiest way to shoot consistently for MOST archers. However, it is certainly not the only way for ALL archers to shoot consistently. Almost every great archer has something that's a little different from classic form. But almost all are pretty close.
Classic form is a really good place to start when you are building your own form. But in all things archery, consistency is the key.
It's always a good idea to understand classic form even if you don't use it. That way, if you run into problems, you will have the tools to work on the problem.
Allen
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Your brain andd hand-eye coordination can make up for alot,I watched a guy win a 3D that was collapsing on his release with rvery shot,bad side of not using good fotm its alot easier to pick up bad habits.Or you might have some already so that would be a non issue :confused:
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I don't think anyone shoots good while thinking of those things.
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I thought that maybe there was a terminology issue as well. Could be that you are doing many of these things subconsciously?
IE; No second achor, but a comfortable place for the rest of your hand to rest while you are at anchor. That could be construed as a second anchor. Just some ideas....
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shooting a bow is very simple....what has most people missing, what they aim at, is over thinking the shot....just my opinion......
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I saw John McEnroe win the NCAA college tennis championship when he was a freshman in college. His form would not be one you would want to copy as a tennis player, but he was consistent in his bad form and became one of the greatest players in history.
Jim Furyk's golf swing wouldn't be one you would want to copy because there is nothing at all classic about it and would be hard (for me) to replicate...but he is a world class golfer because he is consistent with his "bad" swing.
Whatever you are doing (right or wrong) works for you because you are able to replicate it. That is the key to being consistent (for me)...being able to replicate MY form consistently on my shots.
Back tension, using a second anchor, Terry's form clock, etc. make it easier to be a consistent good shot (for me) because it makes it easier to replicate that form. Use what works for you. If you think about it TOO much your consistency will suffer. :)
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I have seen lots of people shoot with good tension that did not know they had it. Some call back tension a stiff unnatural jamming of the shoulders, others good use of the larger muscles and still keep a fluid feel in their shooting. Double anchor? Raise the thumb knuckle a little, drop the head a bit, you may be closer than you think to good form.
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Originally posted by SaMbO2:
The use of back tension? The use of a double anchor point? Just all the things i hear you guys tell people to use and i dont use them and i shoot just fine, i just have a hard time understanding it :knothead: .
Why is this?
I dont mean any disrespect to people who shoot with those methods.
Thanks and God Bless.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the fight to the strong . . . but that's the way you bet. The reason tips on form are given is because, in the long run and for most folks, they work. Even then, there are many "systems" that are proven and successful - some of which are contradictory.
If you are truly able to draw a bow without back tension (arms like Popeye?), hey, go for it. But think what you could do with proper muscle effort! Plains Indians drew to their chest . . . most of the way . . . with a pinch grip. Worst anchor in the world but they could chop corncobs to bits with consecutive hits and ate much buffalo. Practice, practice, practice.
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AS a Tourney shooter I see lots of people shooting all kinds of methods and some breaking all the rules and still doing Ok.
I think all kinds of shooting methods work but the classic shooting form with good back tension is considered a more reliable and consistent method than other shooting styles. We all have good/bad days but with my classic shooting form I feel that when I have the odd Bad day it's still pretty decent by most others shooting standard.
A lot of people get hung up with back tension, with the higher anchor used in Trad Archery it's pretty hard to feel the Scapula correctly working, just try the fita under the chin anchor and you will understand what back tension really feels like and why Oly shooters choose to Anchor under the chin. when shooting with Trad Anchor as long as your maintaining good balanced push/pull at anchor then it's very likely that your already using back tension and not to get too hung up trying to feel the Scapula working.
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One of my archery friends whom I have known since the late 60s is the best shot of anyone I know and does not have a classic form. He shoots split finger, very high anchor and seems to hunch into the shot a little. One thing I've noticed is his form has not changed in 40 years and he still is a deadly shot.
Could he gain an inch in draw lenght? Probably. Could he pick up some speed. Probably. Do I ever discuss or mention his form. Never. Does he need to do this to shoot better? Probably not.
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Nicely put reddogge !
I think that good shooting is product of good repeatable form. This can be many things to many archers but with consistency good results can be achieved ...
As for "back tension " ... what Zetabow said .
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The easiest way to learn to shoot well is by learning good repeatable form but some people are naturals when it comes to being accurate. Check out the short vids of some of the archery greats...Fred Bear, Ben Pearson, Stacy Groscup, Sterling Harrell, etc. They weren't exactly picture-perfect with their form yet could shoot lights out consistently. Alot of one's results comes from the mental side...sight picture, natural 'feel', confidence in what looks/feels right, etc. But adding some insurance in the way of good alignment, repeatable anchor point, smooth release, etc., sure can't hurt for most of us mortals.
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A good point TSP, I've met lots of people I consider as good as I am and a few who can shoot better than me during practice BUT when it comes to a tourney and the shot really matters, I tend to shoot the same while these others cant make the shots when it really matters.
I think a lot of things go into making a good shot and Form is only one small part of the equation, likely it's the part we can have the most influence over and thats why people tend to focus on this the most.