Trad Gang
Main Boards => The Shooters FORM Board => Topic started by: Relentless Sportfishing on February 03, 2011, 03:25:00 PM
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Just started to shoot traditional just starting to get my bow set up Smaick Red Stag 45lbs at 28 3555 GT full length 160grn field points. Both bareshaft and fletched go left by 3-5". Fieldpoints are hitting almost straight out little nock up and they are slighty under and right at times and other times they group right with the fletched arrows. How do I go about learning to aim. Thanks for your help.
Mike
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Sounds like your setups right. I have trouble with that when im getting tired i pull my string hand away from my face just slightly prior to releasing causing my shot to go left. Make sure you pull through the shot. As for learning to aim, just keep practicing, it will come.
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are You left or right handed? If Your right handed, try a lighter point weight...
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I'm not sure I understand the question. The first part of your post talks about grouping bareshafts with fletched arrows and then you ask about how to aim. My first thought is that you have to learn to aim first before you can worry about whether or not everything groups together. In other words, if you have them grouping now, then you must be using some sort of aiming method and it is working or you are just getting lucky.
My recommendation for aiming would be to read some of the posts in the Shooters Forum on that subject and then try one or two of them out. Most prevalent is probably instinctive followed by gap. Once you have the aiming and form all sorted out, then you can worry about grouping. If your form is out of whack and you don't have a consistent aiming method then your arrow groupings won't really tell you much.
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Yes I am right right handed. I will try some lighter points. And also pay more attention to my release and try to pull through more. Can't find anyone in the New Orleans area that shoots tradtional to learn from. Thanks for the suggestions. Also I realized I put this in the wrong section sorry about that.
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Shooting left you could be dropping your bow arm. Re aiming, I would suggest getting Rick Welch's DVD the "Accuracy Factory" and then attending his shooting school. Do it before you develop bad habits and I think you will find you will shoot better than you ever imagined you could!
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You may go crazy with all the advice. Search out O.L adcocks bow homepage. He has an arrow tuning link that is great. I believe shooting left if you are right handed is a stiff shaft. You actually go up in weight to counter that. I have 35-55 GTs and have to shoot nearly 200 grains to get them to fly out of my 45# longbow. Also, pay attention to the alignment of your three fingers in relation to the cant of the bow. You need to draw and anchor in the same plane as the cant of the bow. Often a twisting force is exerted away from your face with your ring finger. This casts the arrow left. The twist is just in form or sometimes just in release. (assuming arrow is tuned correctly). Again its a long road to shooting well with stickbows. Enjoy. (OL's link) http://bowmaker.net/index2.htm
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Your spines weak lower point weight or stiffer arrow. You can slow your string down by more weight on string ( heavier string silincers)
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from what i have just read on O.L adcocks site, for a right handed shooter arrows hitting left are over spined, add more point weight to lessen the spine
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I ordered som 175 grn field points to try and some 50 grn weights for my inserts. Will see what this does for me. Thanks for the advice.
Mike
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RS-don't forget you should utilize Stu Miller's 'Dynamic Spine Calculator' and the reason for that is if you follow it you will end all of your bow/arrow setup problems! Stu helped me and I was shooting great the next day! Can't thank him enough!! PM me if you need more direction. Good luck.
Kenny
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It could be that you are hitting left because your arrow is pointing left. Is your eye over the back end of your arrow when you are at anchor? Double check your form before you change your arrows, especially since fletched arrows and bare shafts are both shooting left.
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Smokin Joe will take a look and see if it is. Thanks for the advice. KennyB sent you a PM also.
Mike
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Personally, when I hit left it is usually because of a bad release.
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If fletched and un-fletched arrows are hitting the same place your spine and tip weight are fine. I read that the arrows are grouping, just to the left of where you are looking. Some of that could be corrected by canting your bow so the upper limb tip more to the left. Other than that over time your brain should start to adjust if you are shooting instinctive, and not trying to use the tip to aim. Or t east that is how it works for me.
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I'm going to go with Maineac on this one. Sounds like the bow is set up well. I think everyone is maybe trying to fix something that's not wrong. RS said he is just starting. If the arrows are grouping then he just needs to shoot and train his brain. Like was said above, getting "Accuracy Factory" or "Masters of the Barebow 3" would be good DVD's to get to learn a little about consistency. Just get out and shoot. Don't try to shoot from too far back for a while either. 10-12 yards is plenty until you are comfortable with what you are doing. I tried going back to 20 and beyond way before I was ready and it just caused me more problems.
Good luck. Half the fun is this learning stage you are in. Enjoy it!
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I have been trying different suggestions to get my bow and arrow combo set up just right. I used the Stu Miller Spine Chart which KennyB sent to me. And my arrows are 1.5 heavy for my bow. A 10grn weight at the back of my insert will put me 1/2 or so weak. Which is where you want to be from what I understand. I just need to send back the 50 grn weights I ordered and get them to send me the 10's instead. Now for shooting I did find that if I canted the bow less I shot better. And if I pull through on the shot I shoot better. If I do it right my fingers pop me on the cheek. The biggest thing is I was pointing the tip where I wanted it to go. But now I put my bowhand where I want the arrow to go. And the results are much better. The tip of my arrow is a little left if lining the string up with the center of the bow. I do have the entire Masters of the Barebow set coming hopefully they will help. My goal is to hunt the entire deer season next year with my recirve only. I have till Oct.1 to get confident. Thanks for the advice everyone has given me keep it coming.
Mike
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I am having the same problem....let me know when use figure it out. I shoot to the left 55% of the time. straight 30% right 15%. Dont know what to do. I am thinking it is my release.
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RS-it seems things are working out for you and as suggested ealier, you need to give yourself more time to learn and train your brain and eyes! Good luck!
Kenny :archer2:
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At the risk of really screwing things up - if you're consistently hitting in the same place and it's left, try thickening, assuming you're right handed, the riser pad - sometimes that'll move your arrows right. 3555's full length should not be too stiff for a 45# bow. The trick is to set up your bow so it shoots where you're looking - I think both of Rick Welch's last two videos have some pretty good instructions on using the side plate thickness and hardness to do just that.
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The biggest reason why I shoot to the left is when I "flick" my release. Meaning I pull my hand away from my face an instant before the release. It creates a twang effect and pulls the whole string away from my face.
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Ok my 50 grn weights arrived today. Since the Stu Miller calculator said it would make my arrow to weak. I cut one down and filed it to 10 grn on my scale. I would not of thought it would of made any difference but my shooting seemed to be considerably better with my arrows 1/2lb light. Now my next question is on my strike plate I have the hard leather with adhesive backing. But my arrow tip is to the left with the string in the center of the limbs. Plus at the very back of the strike plate there is wear which is consistant with the arrow coming into it with the tip to the left. Should I remove it and position a little closer to the front of the bow. Or should I try a thinner plate to get my arrow to line up straight when I have the string centered on the limbs. Or is my Samick Red Stag not cut past center and I just have to deal with it.
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Hi Relentless! Hey I've been shooting trad three years and here's my saga. Doofus at the archery store started me on GT trads but 7595s(!). Over time I have worked down to 5575s but now I've figured out that with my 45# recurve at 27.5 inches, I need the 1535s! That is with 125 pts so your heavier points with the 3555s should be good if 30" to 32".
What is your draw length? Haven't heard anyone ask that yet. And also...Dude I STILL have to correct my aim to the right or my arrows go left. I've figured out about 3" at 15 yds, 5" at 20 yds, 10" at 30 yds, 20" at 40 yds. For ME, I've concluded it has to do with my anchor point and not looking straight down the arrow, but when I correct appropriately, I can shoot straight.
The only time I shoot right is when I pluck the string (bad release, pulling away from my head instead of back past my ear).
Good luck and I like your arrow setup if you're pulling close to 28". I don't think you need the 50gn inserts with 160 pts if full length.
Good luck and kudos on your choice of trad! I wish you good luck finding trad friends in your area--New Orleans is a big town and they MUST be out there :-D
Best,
Brett
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Try bending your bow arm just a little, works for me.
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I had similar problem till I shot with a more experienced shooter. It turns out I was not square to target as in to open of a stance with my right foot way behind my left, years of batting left and putting ball in opposite feild. I straightened out my stance and worked on my release and it has done wonders for my shooting.
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I had an interesting experience today that kind of highlighted the shooting left problem that arises every once in awhile with me. I was doing some shooting at a deer target about 25 yds and I positioned myself in a grove of small trees to better imitate shooting conditions in the woods. Most shots at that distance were going left and I normally attribute that to me torquing the bow however I happened to be standing with a small tree a little behind me and to the right. As I released my release arm hit that tree. That should never have happened if I was drawing straight back with the necessary back tension. After that I shot several times with that tree in the same position and it taught me quickly that I fall into bad habits by not always pulling straight back and continuing straight back upon release. That tree in that position helped ingrain that into the old brain bucket.
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For me, my arrows go left when I don't keep pulling through the release. I've also got excuses for up, down, and right misses if needed.
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If you're collapsing on release you go left and a bit low also.
If its just happening once in a while most likely you're not maintaining back tension through the shot.
SL