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Main Boards => The Shooters FORM Board => Topic started by: BowsanAiros on February 25, 2011, 12:06:00 AM
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that sure is interesting i will try some of those techniques tomorrow after work.
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I agree with the above, but you can't teach the "Dialing in" part. And I disagree about not teaching form, without proper and consistent alignment, you are no way going to be instinctively accurate.
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This thread really brought back memories. My first experience with a real bow was in 1962 when I was 12 yrs. old. I had bugged my uncle and drove him crazy about shooting one of his bows. He finally agreed and got me out an Pearson recurve that was 30#s and 3 fiberglass arrows. The method he used to teach me was a method just like this one. He explained some of the finer points but told me to learn and the only way to learn was do!! The next hunting season he gave me a new Browning bow and a dozen arrows matched for it. The bow pulled 35#s @28", I shot a 79# doe at 13yds and was sooo proud. This method does work and will help cure TP, I know I suffer from it. Simply by using the swing motion outlined by the gentleman, I was able to get my shooting back into control. Before you say anything think about what he says and mull it over. It does work. Also I do not know this man or have had any contact with him, but can only speak from my own experiences.
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Im going to give this a try.
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Since the topic is instinctive shooting and there is always debate on form and anchor, this video is interesting. Note what Mr. Hussey says about aiming and looking at your target.
He is now deceased. He lived about 12 miles from me.
The video is dated, as seen by the van in the first part. Probably the late 70s or early 80s.
True instinctive shooters are a rare breed, especially when as accurate as Mr. Hussey.
His home made and numbered sling shots at auction locally can go for hundreds of dollars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ieWrWLjii0
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You know Bowsan I havr shown quite a few people this method in my 30yrs. of shooting stick and string and even though it took some longer to get it they all seem to be good shooters. The best thing is it don't cost one damn copper to learn this, mostly commom sense, and desire to do.
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Thanks Rich...I will give this a try as I learned Mr. Asbell's method of shooting and this just reinforces what I have been taught! Thanks againg for the great tips!!
Kenny
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BowsanAiros,
I've tried you method for the past two days. Groups have noticeably tightened.
I'll keep at it and see where it goes.
Thanks.
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I was already a cross between instinctive and gap. Groups weren't bad anyway, but I'm usually a draw, hold, ponder, then release type of shooter. The drill you described has helped with quicker and more accurate releases out to 20 yards. I likely will never take a shot at a deer out past 20 yards unless my accuracy and skill improve to a confident level. But at 20yds and under I'm fairly confident now but prefer 15 and under shots on game.
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Great Thread!
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Can't wait to try it....wind is blowing 25-30 mph or I'd be out there shooting right now.
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Good stuff....however, I do believe 'form/alignment' is more important that 'how' you aim.
That comes from an instinctive shooter.
Everyone can try and achieve proper alignment to the best there body will allow. Some folks are cut out for instinctive shooting....and some are better with a more conscious method of aiming.
For me, and my make up, instinctive aiming works better for me.....I couldn't gap my way out of a paper bag!!!
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Yes Sir....the whole shot becomes instinctive...not just the aiming.
I think that's why it take folks so long to learn for a lot of folks, then don't take the time to 'groove in' their form from the start. They are so worried about 'aiming and hitting' that form takes a back seat. If they would 'learn the shot' before they 'learn to shoot' they would improve much faster. Its MUCH easier to aim, no matter how you aim, if your alignment is good and grooved in.
Sometimes I'm so emerged in waiting for the shot opportunity.....I don't even remember drawing the bow...just the arrow in flight and making impact.
Those are some of the best shots you will ever make as an instinctive shooter.
Again....good stuff. :campfire:
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Awesome thread. I have been waiting to find out about a 'process' to fine tune my shot. I have been shooting a bear super kodiak for a couple years now. I can hit what I am aiming at 10 yrds or so, but I am not consistent enough to hunt. I am eager to try this.
Question for BowsanAiros: Is this something that you repeat even when you consider yourself a consistent instinctive shooter? Or, is it just a beginner thing?
Thanks
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I've seen some instinctive shooters who clearly need need to work on form and alignment. I'm not so sure which form or what alignement is necessarily better; as long as it's consistant seems to be the important thing. I keep remembering that video with the farmer and his slingshot; deadly accurate with no apparent form or particular alignment. Apple to oranges comparison maybe; but an impressive demonstration of truely instinctive shooting.
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I agree with Terry in this regard, whether you shoot instinctive or aim or gap or whatever you need a solid foundation to shoot from. That's where the consistency comes from.
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Thanks. I am looking forward to using the bottle cap technique that was in the video. I always seem to shoot better when my target is something 3d against the flat target. Even when trying to aim at an arrow hole or a little spot on the target, I am not consistent. When I put a water bottle in front of the target, I 'kill' it almost every shot.
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It sure does work takes the thinking out of it makes you snap shoot which is purely instinctive.
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I ended up trying the bottle cap method. It really helped me concentrate on a spot. I actually shot through the plastic cap twice at about 10 yrds. If I could just get consistent with it.....
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Thanks. Im sure it will help. I do have a hard time swinging into a shot, even at full anchor. If I don't draw my bow while looking at the spot, I rarely hit that spot, or even close. One thing I have been playing with to cure my target panic is to begin drawing while focusing on the spot, then focusing on my arrow tip to get to full anchor, re-focusing on the spot, and release. It seems to work when I get to full anchor. I just need to discipline myself to not release until I do reach full anchor.
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Well I'm in. I've tried four different aiming techniques this past year. I've always thought Instinctive was the way I should go but couldn't ever get consistent with it. I'll give this a try today and let you know how it goes. Thanks!
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BowsanAirons- the drill is a lot of fun and I can see results very quick. Thank you for posting it. I have a question about instinctive shooting. Is it better to snap shoot? It seems like when I hold at anchor I end up losing concentration.
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Bowsanairos- do you try and get the arrow directly under your eye? Or is that just part of the dialing in process?
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BowsanAiros-
Thanks again for everything. I'm going to spend a couple night this week blind baling a new release then in the middle of the week go back to your drill. I'll keep you up dated.
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Started using this the first of the week and have noted much improvement. I spent alot of time working on my form and release the last few months and it all seems to be coming together now. It was easier with sights and a release, but this is much more rewarding. As I read here before, I feel like a kid again.
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I will have to give this a shot. Seems like it is helping alot of guys. Thanks
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Bowsan, In step #1 you mention "dialing in" and spoke of small adjustments with the feet to bring the group together on the spot. Could you explain that a bit more. Not sure what my foot placement ought to be. Should it be what a person is most comfortable with?
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What happens when you have to shoot at an odd angle.... do you have to reset your feet? Or.... what if you're shooting out of a treestand... or sitting in a ground blind? How does your technique compensate for these things.... if it requires your lower body to participate in so critically in the shot?
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I lock my back in a "T" and start the target address by pointing my shoulders in-line at the target, and that includes elevation as well as windage. Lean into a low target from the waist or up from the waist for elevated targets. This makes for a closed stance - but that gives me a longer draw and more "oomph" for the bow. In doing this my foot placement is less of an issue. On slopes I may keep my right foot well behind me to "outrigger" for balance, and I can lean far forward to get under brush or branches keeping the same upper-body platform. Works even if you have to twist at the waist, and I practice that often - even taking shots with my toes pointing away from the target.
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TTT
I'm starting my bridge program tomorrow and wanted to have this thread at the top so I can implement it in. Thanks again BowsanAiros!
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nevermind just went to the first page :knothead: :banghead:
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Thank You Mr. Lane
I shoot with an open stance and this aids me with a swing draw and solid anchor. I try to use the aim small hit small philosophy. At times I point of aim reference and at times I shoot instinctive depending on the yardage. I find that consistency is the key. Appreciate All you have put into this!!!!!
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Does anyone know why none of bowsanairos is showing up in this?
I can see everyone else's just not his and am very interested in knowing what the steps are.
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Originally posted by Jermcramp1:
Does anyone know why none of bowsanairos is showing up in this?
I can see everyone else's just not his and am very interested in knowing what the steps are.
X2!
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Yeah its not there.
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same here,,, its just not there. Hope it gets corrected as the replies make it sound interesting.
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Me too. Would like to see it. Really interested.
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Whats the deal with all the blank post?
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If I had to make a guess I'd go with they were removed either by request or mandate... :D
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Ask and you shall receive
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so right terry form and allignment what howard hill said "if your forms rite you wont be too far off at 50 yrds" a quote. starting off with too heavy abow throws a lot of archers off it did me.
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I can't read any of the OP's posts????
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He took the top post down in this thread so that may mean it also took the rest down. If you pm him he will send you the info.