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Main Boards => The Shooters FORM Board => Topic started by: Sherm65 on March 23, 2011, 03:25:00 PM
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I've been messing around this spring, now that I have a little time, and started shooting three under. I really am liking it. I can see down the shaft much better and it seems to be improving my groups. How many of you shoot 3 under?
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I switched to 3 Under after struggling to not pinch down on the arrow. Made a world of difference to my shooting.
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Same as Longstick here...I actually wore a groove in my index finger from pinching down on the knocking point when I shot split finger..I'll never go back. I really don't have any negatives to report here.
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Been for about 10 years
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Does it really make a difference on the tiller?
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I don't believe it makes a bit of difference. You could give two bows of identical make one tillered for split and one of 3 under and shoot them and I bet you could tell the difference. If you set up the nocking pt. to fit the bow and the arrows you are shooting it won't make a difference.
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3 under here, been shooting that way for about a year. Tightened up my groups a bit.
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In 15 yrs and about 2 dozen bows I've never seen any real life difference in how a bow is tillered. Tune your bow/arrow combination and dont think twice about tiller. If you are serious about trying it for real, retune your nock point and brace height and shoot 3 under for a few weeks to see if its for you. Just going back and forth every day or two will just screw up your shooting...........YMMV
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Don't shoot off the point, so I don't shoot 3 under..
One of my granddaughters shoots 3 under the other shoots split finger like me..
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I shoot both ways. Have bows that shoot better 3 under and some like split. I agree you can see much better 3 under but in turn the bow is louder. Sounds weird to some but I don't have any issues switching back and forth.
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shot split a while, but have stuck with 3 under ever since. just more comfortable for me.
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I agree about the tiller. (no noticeable difference) You may find your Bow a little "louder", but that's fairly easy to remedy.
Started split, went 3 under & found it changed my shooting for the better.
Keith
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3 under for me.
When I shot split-finger a long time ago and then tried it again as I returned to recurves, I would get a sore index finger at the bottom of the nail against the nock.
No problems with 3 under though.
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I started out shooting split finger when I started shooting but switched to 3 under because I was more accurate.
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I believe you can tell a difference on tiller. I can for sure. Usually a bow tillered for split need a much higher nocking point to tune for 3 under and the bow will be noisier, if tillered for 3 under the bow will not require an unusually high nocking point and be quieter as well. I used to shoot both once ina while when I had a close shot of 10 yards or so I shot 3 under and gun-barreled. Shawn
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I totally disagree with the idea that the bow does not have to be tillered different. If he bow is not tillered for three fingers under your are changing how the limbs recover. That is the whole idea behind tillering. Why do you think that a bowyer puts positive tiller in the bow in the first place?
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3 under has really improved my accuracy. This might be better served in the shooters forum though.
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been shooting 3 under for 30 years or more
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I shoot 3-under.
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I comepletely agree with Shawn Leonard and Knapper about the tiller. I can tell the difference. With an ILF, shooting split I will tiller 3/16 positive and with 3 under I set to even tiller.
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I shoot 3 under for the accuracy it gives me. Getting that arrow closer to my eye is a real positive for me.
I order all of my new bows tillered for three under, but never hesitate to buy a bow that is tillered split. With some tuning changes, I can't tell the difference.
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I do and will never go back.
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i shoot 3 under. i tried split and absolutly hate it, just feels really odd to me.
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Two under shooter here. Was shooting split two for all my 46 years, but recently went to two under to bring the arrow closer to my eye. The ring finger is back with the thumb and pinky.
Shooting right handed I shoot three under now and it helped this lefty shoot right handed bows for fun. Gotta watch my left eye taking over the arrow though.
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Originally posted by Shawn Leonard:
I believe you can tell a difference on tiller. I can for sure. Usually a bow tillered for split need a much higher nocking point to tune for 3 under and the bow will be noisier, if tillered for 3 under the bow will not require an unusually high nocking point and be quieter as well. I used to shoot both once ina while when I had a close shot of 10 yards or so I shot 3 under and gun-barreled. Shawn
RE my post above and two under, my nock point on the old Bear recurve is nearly 3/4" high. It is noticeably high to other shooters and I have been asked about it.
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I do and shoot awsome!! I can't shoot split because it pinches my finger too bad.
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3 under here. When I was a kid I shot bows a bit at the neighbors. I just picked up the bow and shot 3 under. No one ever instructed me on options. As I recall the neighbor kids shot split.
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Three under for me also. When I was a kid cut my right index finger pretty bad resulting in a scar, gets sore if I shoot split. I try for an even tiller on the bows I build for three under. Every little bit helps, especially when you shoot like me.
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3 under for me!
Always seem to get confused tryng to remember which fingers the arrow fits between when shooting split.
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Never go back to split finger, 3 under feels more natural.
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I started in about 1970 or so when an "old guy" at the club I shot at said, "son, why don't you try Apache ?" "What ?" I said and have been with it ever since.
As to bows.. (non ILF) yea my nock point is a bit higher. I just actually got my first bow tillered for 3 under and the nock point changed 1/8" down... Its a Widow. I supose they make more noise if not tillered correctly but I can fix that.
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I do, and I also no longer have a sore pointer finger.
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started that way and am still 3undr
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Saw it done,tried it,never went back to split.
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Some of you have mentioned no sore index finger with 3 under. I didn't notice this little plus until it was brought up. That seals the deal with me.
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i've just gone to 3 under, just rtying things out as a beginner. I noticed my bow was louder shooting 3 under. some of you have mention this noise can be reduced. Id like to stick with it. How can this be done?
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I used to shoot split, switched to three under six years ago and will never go back! No problem tuning a bow to work for me either way.
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I started shooting 3 under after watching Master of the Bare Bow. My shooting improved greatly. As for the tiller it doesn't seem to make much difference. There are so many other things that can wrong with a shot that I believe most people would never be able to tell a difference. Don't forget to add a second nock point below the nock. This keeps the arrow from sliding down the string.
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I have always shot 3 under it just feels better for me
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I do. Split seems foreign to me now. Made a big difference in my shooting.
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I shoot 3 under. Split is very uncomfortable for me.
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I don't shoot either.........I shoot 2 fingers under. The third finger under just got in the way so I dropped it, didn't seem to need it anyway.
Only took about a week for my index and middle finger to strengthen up and get used to it and my groups improved immediately upon switching from split finger to 2 under.
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Tried both, 3 under brings the arrow closer to my eye and my groups got better.
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I tried 3 under a couple years ago and I kept shooting low all the time. Someone told me my shots would start coming up.
I was using the point of the arrow and it didn't seem to help so I went back to split. Maybe I should give it another try.
Did you guys shoot low when you started shooting 3 under, and if so how did you bring your arrows up. Thanks.
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Funny, I've been thinking of trying split. Have been 3under since I started but have been slow (in my mind anyway) getting really accurate. I mostly was blaming it on old compound bow habits holding me back. Now I'm starting to think I have just not secured a constantly repeatable anchor point. Anyway I may just stick it out 3under for awhile, cause I like the 56" recurves.
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The first 2.5 yrs I shot split and liked it. Tried 3 under several times & hated it. Shooting in a league of trad guys I noticed most of the high score shooters were 3 under so I decided to switch & stuck with it. Been 1.5 yrs now and would not go back unless forced to by injury or something.
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GOOD INFO ON TOPIC,GREAT THANKS
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I've shot 3 under for about 1 1/2 yrs, the Rick Welch method has been working real well for me, I have found that if I tinker between split and 3 under my shooting falls apart in a hurry....DB
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When I first started traditional 7 yrs. ago it was split . After some time I noticed one of the guys shooting 3 under so I tried it . I'm still shooting 3 under and the accuracy isn't even comparable to split . I'm very accurate out to 50 yards .
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Been shooting 3 under for about 1 1/2 years, helped my groups alot.
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3 Under here also love it.
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I do
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I have a question, I just got a new tomahawk long bow and I was trying to paper tune it sooting three under. Now I normally shoot split but wanted to switch. I couldn't get the bow to tune at all! It had almost 5-6" tears vertically no matter what I did. I decided to try something, I didn't change anything and shot an arrow split and it was almost a perfect bullet hole. Can someone explain to me why my bow won't tune to 3 under?
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Originally posted by skippy1:
I have a question, I just got a new tomahawk long bow and I was trying to paper tune it sooting three under. Now I normally shoot split but wanted to switch. I couldn't get the bow to tune at all! It had almost 5-6" tears vertically no matter what I did. I decided to try something, I didn't change anything and shot an arrow split and it was almost a perfect bullet hole. Can someone explain to me why my bow won't tune to 3 under?
I have the same issue with one of my longbows. I think my issue is my release. Plus, I don't use two nocking points. It always shows nock high. Closest I can get is about a 4" nock high showing.
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3 under, gives me a better sight picture and definitly helped my groups.
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Had my hand caught in a press brake back in the 70's, had to switch to 2 under, the third finger just drags terrible on the string. Much cleaner release. I also only use 1 nock set.
For tillering I don't see any diference, altough i have had a couple of bows that tuned great with a negative nocking point.
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The friends that got into archery in the early 70s all shot 3 fingers under and were string walkers, I don`t walk the string anymore just point and shoot, but string walking is a pretty acurate style of shooting,
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im not a real experianced shooter but 3 under has always felt right and comfortable to me.