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Main Boards => The Shooters FORM Board => Topic started by: tyu888 on April 06, 2011, 03:40:00 PM
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I believe majority of the archery reading material out there advocates dynamic release and suggests a continuous pull and push method when drawing a bow.
Personally, I find it not very natural while trying to aim and draw with a pull and push motion at the same time.
I seem to be able to shot more accurately with dead release as I hold it with my back muscle once at full draw instead of continuously trying to pull and push.
Does anyone out there feel the same way or which way is really better or it is a matter of personal preference ??
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I use a dead release too and it works for me. It works for Ron LaClair also.
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I agree...it just doesn't seem natural to do all that just to release the string.
When I'm at full draw there is no place for my arm to go back any farther...unless I just manufacture something and that wouldn't work too well.
Dead release works for me.
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I pretty much use a dead release as well. I try to use a dynamic release from time to time but my shots splatter all around.
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i agree- dynamic is too erratic for me.
but watch rick welches you tube videos in slo mo.
his release is so dead, that after release his hand flops all over the place- no two times the same- i cant emulate that- the best for me is a totally dead release.
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Dead here all the way , dont think there is another way that was just a rumor going around the other day. I just cant pull through the few times I tried that way I had to put the dogs up cause about every 6th shot was pretty ugly. I just cant do it so I dont fix what aint broke anymore.
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I think for 3D and Bowhunting the dead release works just fine, they dynamic release works better for IFAA Field as you tend not to get so many arrows drop short on the long shots.
The important thing is that the release is repeatable and comfortable.
If you shoot with a dead release it will be very hard and unnatural to change to dynamic release, I know because I went through this learning process.
When I'm teaching beginers I always teach dynamic release because when learnt correctly I feel it's more consistent than the dead release.
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If you have to think about it, that means your not putting all of your focus on the target. I've seen guys that shoot with a dynamic release overly stress it, almost like a rear pluck and I've seen guys with a dead release creep on the shot. I like to combine both. I use a dynamic release but my hand travels back very little.
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I guess my release is more dynamic than anything. I draw to my spot(anchor)pause, than with all my concentration on the target release. Usually my fingers will be about 1" in front of ear. I agree a lot of people overstress their release which I feel takes away from the target. I just let it flow.
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Keep in mind that the follow through and hand position after the arrow leaves the bow is mainly a consequence or reaction of increasing back tension, consistent back tension, let up of back tension, or no back tension.
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I've only been shooting my recurve for about a month now(Converted from compound)and I found that my Dynamic release is pretty accurate for first shots, but my dead release is more consistent with multiple shots after I've had time to warm up.
I would say I like dynamic but after an hour or so I get cocky and that's when my yard eats an arrow.
I have been practicing different versions of dynamic (Push pull, H. Hill's swing, etc...)to find the one that is right for me and when shooting over and over there is always that one or two that eventually just misses and dives into the grass.
Dead release is more akin to my compound but at #50 it doesn't take long to start wobbling and aching after a while.
It feels natural to just point and shoot, but when it really counts there's always the feeling that you should hold it back and really aim.
I feel more comfortable dead shooting when I am practicing shot after shot to get warmed up, but it makes it harder to practice often because my fingers really hurt the next day even though I use a double thick traditional speed glove from Kustom King.
I guess what I'm trying to get at is I can't decide which I should focus on Dynamic or dead if/when I go hunting.
Any Thoughts?
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which one do you do without thinking about it- just absolutely focus on a target( stump shooting is great for this) and release- and get someone to tell you what you did.
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being new to this I watch a lot of guys very closely and it is amazing how many good shooters there are that don't "fit the mold"
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Put a clicker on and you'll know if you use a dynamic release or not.. :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
I pull through it's the only way I know how to shoot.. stopping the pull to hold is not a natural act for me..
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I like a dynamic release. It took a while to get it down but now my release is buttery smooth and my accuracy has increased dramatically.
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I'd agree with Longstick on this one. I've shot with guys who have that picture perfect dynamic release, and yet I shoot regularly with Schlaggerman (Dale Klug) who has a dead release, and is the best shot I know personally. I'm sure that either way could be learned/trained but I think that each of us has our natural tendency and the more important aspect is keeping the hand from flying away from the face. (I think Rick Welch's release is his hidden way of saying "I'll still out shoot you!")
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I shoot Dynamic...
CLICK HERE (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=17;t=000060)
and Rod Jenkins has some good info on Dynamic....Rod Shoots Dynamic also...even though it 'looks' like he's holding...he will tell you he is not.....he's posted before his release is the same as mine...only in ultra slow-mo compared to mine.
CLICK HERE and Scroll Down to \\'Tips\\' (http://safarituff.com/trophies.html)
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Originally posted by Javi:
Put a clicker on and you'll know if you use a dynamic release or not.. :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
This could be an interesting experiment, somebody with a dead release to try a clicker to see firstly if you improve your shooting and then to see if your release becomes dynamic.
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I've found I have a dead release. When I decide to let go of the string, my hand just drops right by my cheek.
I'm new to trad shooting and I've read up on the dynamic release. I tried it and didn't like it at all and my accuracy suffered, so I went right back to shooting and releasing the way I started doing it and like the dead style I've apparently adopted much better.
When I tried the dynamic style release I felt like I was intentionally pulling my hand and arm back after I released and I it was messing with my mental focus of the target before I even let go of the string..
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I feel the same. I like to lock up the back at full draw and then settle in for the shot. I relax the back of my hand and away it goes.
I used a clicker or quite a while. I had to pull just a little further to set it off and my release happened at the same moment. I did well with it but i am better with a locked up shoulder blade because I am actually using fewer muscles and there is less muscle tension in my body.
I am the guy who believes that the fewer muscles you use the more relaxed you will be. A good long distance runner is actually relaxed when he runs. A pole volter uses fewer muscles than you think. he uses technique and he subconciously understands momentum and leverage.
I dont really have target panic or anything like that. But I do see the value of the dynamic release.
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im dead all the way here.. ive tried dynamic before and my shots went crazy..
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My draw hand moves back an inch or two on release. Not dead . . . but pretty static.
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Both of these are dynamic releases....just different tempos...
My Dynamic Release.... (http://www.tradgang.com/videos/tg/tgshot91.wmv)
Rod Jenkins Dynamic Release (http://www.tradgang.com/videos/rod.wmv)
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Interesting.
When I get home today, I'm going to try out your dynamic release TG.
I liked the way that looked.
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It might come back to our backgrounds. I used to shoot benchrest rifle and did a lot of long range varmint hunting. Now I shoot a lot with a flintlock. In these instances you need a decided motionless follow-through if the target is stationary. Probably I have the same mind-set with an arrow release.
Bottom line (IMHO) is that either release will work if you are consistant with it.
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Stumpkiller,
I think you are right, but I also think a lot of hunters mistake their release for a static release. Howard Hill advocated leaving your hand in your face upon release but his release was very dynamic. It is like the steps laid out by Rod on that link TG put up earlier. Pulling to anchor (both of them hopefully) then pulling with your back until you have proper body alignment upon release. As long as your hand doesn't go forward, or out away from your face then you must have been pulling when you let go of the string... isn't that a dynamic release.
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We all seem to describe events different than we experience them. I tried "relaxing my whole right side" as some shooters suggest and I fell over. For someone to suddenly release 60 or 70 pounds of draw effort and NOT move in the opposite direction there must be other muscles at work. On the other hand, I have seen videos where the shot is gone and the hand is against the jaw and then it's like the shooter realizes he forgot his flourish and he adds it afterwards. We can call that the "WannabeDynamic Release".
Another problem I have is that I shoot a fairly upright and more "formal" stance with my back in-line with the arrow's path. I'm holding with my hand but my back muscles are finishing the last of the draw. My arm is stopped at that point in relation to the shoulder socket. I breathe in (to expand my chest and get to full draw), hold, and release. I'd have to restart it to pull it past my ear. Just feels unnatural (to me).
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I used to do a swing draw, when my hand didn't really touch my face until I was at full draw, then my middle finger would touch the corner of my mouth (most of the time) and my thumb knuckle locked behind my ear. The pressure of my thumb against my jaw was string because I think I was using that as a literal "anchor" as opposed to a reference point.
Now my bow hand comes up and I draw straight back dragging my hand across my face until my middle finger catches on the corner of my mouth, my hand relaxes and opens up so my thumb can reach behind my jaw. At this point I focus on pulling my shoulder blades together but my bowstring really doesn't seem to move but this back contraction eventually drags my fingers off the string and I have release. It only takes a second or two from the time I hit my first reference, maybe less. My over all shooting has improved some just from this change but my first shot scores have improved significantly.
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I ageww with Forge that Dynamic is the best way to go but it does take time to learn. Once it becomes second nature to you your shots will be point non. Shoot Straight!
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Thanks Terry. Then I have rod Jenkins dynamic release. In fact, identical. Why is this considered dynamic? Is it because the back tension is still pulling when I release? My hand flies back when my release is on.
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Dynamic means you never stop pulling....Static means you stop.
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I just started using what I consider the most Dynamic release out there. A style of snap shooting. I try to mirror TG's style of release. There is no chance of the arrow creeping forward before the shot. The reason I did this is because Rod Jenkins said on one of the MBB to only think about the spot you want to hit. When I "snap" shoot I don't give myself time to try and aim or think about anything else but THAT spot. So far so good.
P.S. I would like to put a video up and get tips. Where do I do that?
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Right here for the video. There are many that will and can weigh in.
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I think as with anything, there is more then one way to do something right, Rick Welch is one of the best shots out there and he uses a dead release, and many others mentioned above use a dynamic release and shoot as well as Rick does, so it is different for everyone, what works for one will not work as well for another. Develop what works best for you and stick with it.
For years I struggled with Target Panic, I compensated my TP by snap shooting, I was never a very good shot, thanks to tips from threads from this site and Ricks Accuracy Factory DVD I am now shooting better then I ever thought I could and pretty much TP free, I won't say I don't ever have a shot where I let my nerves get the best of me, as anyone that has had serious TP knows, it is a monster that you have to keep at bay and is an on going struggle, but I have developed the mentle tools to do a very good job at keeping it at bay, and if I have an occasional shot that I pluck, because of bad habits developed over many years of TP, I no longer let it bother me, and the next 20 shots will fly true.
I know the thought and teachings of never stop pulling, but I can guarentee that if I shot like that, within a week I would be back to snap shooting, I have tried it more then a few times a long ways back because I thought that was the only correct way to shoot, and that is what continued to begin to happen.
Its not until I said the heck with it, I am not going to be able to be a dynamic shooter, and started practicing using a dead release and as Rick states... settle into my shot and take a few seconds at full anchor, to let my muscles and upstairs computer develop a sort of memory that my shooting improved, again more then I ever imagined.
Again, each individual has to experiment, and do what works for you and stick with it. The better shot you become, how ever you need to shoot to be confident, the more you will enjoy traditional archery, I was not able to enjoy archery for years, although I shot daily, now I'm able to practice daily, and once again love doing it just as much as when I first started shooting many years ago. DK.
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Though Rick may look like he has a static release it really isn't. Terri refered to Rod Jenkins release as dynamic even though
Rod anchored and aligned before releasing. I have the same release. When I release I just relax my hand but I never really stop pulling with my muscle between my shoulder blades. I do however pause at anchor for sight aligment and site picture.
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cjgregory: I'm not sure of the termonology, when you say static realese, is that dynamic (pulling all the way through the shot) or a dead release?
When I say a dynamic release will not work for me, it is because, my mind always wanted me to release early, the more I would snap shoot, the earlier I would release, and on and on, a constant struggle to get to my anchor. So when I would try the never stop pulling method, ie using my tightening my shouler blades as my draw was nearing its conclusion, my mind was saying RELEASE...RELEASE...RELEASE, and thus I would get drug back into snap shooting or a premature release before hitting my anchor spot.
Once I went to a dead release, and how I came to do that is a whole different discussion (as you can see I tend to be long winded anyway! :) ) But I do use a few different tricks to help me hold at anchor for as long as I want to, I alter these tricks to keep my subconsious guessing if that makes sense and I have become very good at it, and love the fact that I am in control of my shot.
One last thought, McDave posted in the past few weeks on a thread about TP, anytime he posts anything I am reading and re-reading it, I don't know him, but he has alot of great ideas, anyway he talked a bit about a new method he has been trying, I don't want to put words in anyones mouth, but he called it something like the 'slide' method and said he tried it recently at a shoot where he tends to have more trouble then while just practicing. Anyway it goes something like this, he comes to full draw, then will let down a very tiny bit, not ever leaving his anchor, then back to full draw, and back and forth a few times until he looses the arrow, his mind not knowing when exactly that moment will take place, which again is a method that I would call, tricking my mind, anyway I have been playing with this also, putting it in my (bag of tricks) to again, trick my mind, and it works very well. I hope I did not mistate anything McDave meant, and if I did, I apologize in advance.
I know discussions like this have to drive guys that have a perfect release completly NUTS, because it throws all thoughts of perfect form and a text book release out the window, but hey, when deer season roles around and anyone who has had severe TP problems in the past is able to learn methods to over come the TP and send an arrow through an animals vitals, I say lets discuss Target Panic to death! DK.
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Well DK, I thought I was using a dead release. LIke you I like to settle into my shot after anchoring. Much more effective for me.
Then I watched the Rod Jenkins video and that's what he is doing as well as you and I and Rick. Terri says this is a Dynamic Release. I guess I would have to see a Dead release now. lol
I'm with you as far as the benifits I see to how we are doing it.
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Yes...static is 'dead'.
Do what ever works best for you. If you need a dead release to prevent target panic and make you a better shot, by all means use a dead release.
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Originally posted by cjgregory:
Though Rick may look like he has a static release it really isn't.
I must be missing something here. Can you please elaborate a little bit on how Rick Welch doesn't have a static release ???
He most definately doesn't "pull through" his shots as in a dynamic release......so what do you call that kind of a relase ??? I'm confused :dunno:
Winterhawk1960
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http://www.tradgang.com/videos/rod.wmv This is Rod Jenkins shooting. Terry says its dynamic as long as you are pulling though.
I am a little confused myself. LOL I probably shouldn't be. i will just shoot as I am.
Go back to the last page and reread it.
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Rod says his release is dynamic as well....I was just stating what Rod has said to me AND posted here before.
He posted here that he was shooting dymanic just like me....only MUCH slower.
Again, he explains it on his 'Tip' portion of his site.
I don't know anything about Rick Welch's shot so I can't comment on that. But, I loved his hog hunting videos from a few years ago. :campfire:
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Dynamic.
A dead release is like stopping the baseball bat as soon as you touch the baseball, or racket, or club, etc. Your body has to set into all kinds of shot impacting processes to stop the archery swing.
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I thought I knew where I was, but now - looking at Rod Jenkins - I ain't so sure. He's stopped dead for a good four seconds and then pulls his hand away from the string. I pause for a half-breath-let-out or a second or two and then pull my bow elbow straight back while relaxing by hand (which goes back just a little bit as my forearm doesn't shrink any??) Maybe I'm more dynamic than I thought. When bunny hunting I'm definately dynamic as I release as a part of the draw and swing. But I still never get the tip of my thumb past my ear.
I know if I think about it too much I scatter arrows. :biglaugh:
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Originally posted by Stumpkiller:
looking at Rod Jenkins - I ain't so sure. He's stopped dead for a good four seconds and then pulls his hand away from the string.
If you ask Rod.....he'll tell you he doesn't stop pulling even though it might look like it.
You can read about it on his 'tip' page once you scroll down past the hero pics.
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Originally posted by Stumpkiller:
I thought I knew where I was, but now - looking at Rod Jenkins - I ain't so sure. He's stopped dead for a good four seconds
Actually, I'm pulling my guts out for a good four seconds :)
Pulling (back tension) is a three phases afair...(1)excessing pulling to anchor (2) balanced pulling at anchor (3) increased pulling to conclusion. I think maybe where some may be getting confused is.... when the transfer to back tension occurs( 2&3), there very little rearward string movement...the rotation of the scapula caused by the Rhomboids move the draw side elbow around.
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Rod, would you agree with this: anybody, whether it's you or Rick Welch, is going to have to pull the same, assuming the same bow weight, to keep the arrow from creeping forward while they hold it at full draw. The difference between a dead release and a dynamic release is the amount of increased pulling to conclusion. A dead release is when the hand stays in place and a dynamic release is when the hand recoils back toward the neck.
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Originally posted by SHOOTO8S:
... when the transfer to back tension occurs( 2&3), there very little rearward string movement...the rotation of the scapula caused by the Rhomboids move the draw side elbow around.
Once I understood this part I didn't have to ask what back tension felt like, when you try to move your elbow around (in what Terry calls a "J") you can feel your rhomboids engage. I had to work to also get my bow side rhom to engage, because I wasn't thinking about it.
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Dave..IMO the only way the release can be dead is to stop pulling at some point. That being said, some folks can time that collapse as to not ruin a shot, and obtain good results...problem is,after watching 100's of shooters in slo-mo...those shooters who can time the collapse as to be dead at release, are very,very, few and far between!
I do agree its gonna taking the same amount of pulling in regards to draw weight to prevent creep, no matter whether you call your release dead or dynamic
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[/qb][/QUOTE]Once I understood this part I didn't have to ask what back tension felt like, [/QB][/QUOTE]
How right you are! :)
In my clinics, I always try to remember and ask the group how many here understand back tension? Typically I'll have 5-6 out of a group of 12 that raise their hand....after the second day, I'll ask...now how many understood back tension, and no one will raise their hand. Most of what everyone calls back tension is actually shoulder tension....or some achieve BT then at the time BT is most important(when the fingers stop holding the string) lose back tension.
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"Once I understood this part I didn't have to ask what back tension felt like,
some achieve BT then at the time BT is most important(when the fingers stop holding the string) lose back tension."
It's a hard concept to maintain back tension for 1-2 sec while also relaxing string fingers, I had this problem but it was controlled to a degree where I could still shoot to a good level, I would transfer load after I reach anchor and maintain that balance and just relax fingers when shot felt good, it wasn't a dead release but it wasn't very dynamic either.
It took a LOT of work and help from Fita coach's to make this internal mental change but I see it paying off now as my consistency has gone up alot and have zero bad days. :)
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Originally posted by SHOOTO8S:
Originally posted by Stumpkiller:
[qb] I think maybe where some may be getting confused is.... when the transfer to back tension occurs( 2&3), there very little rearward string movement...the rotation of the scapula caused by the Rhomboids move the draw side elbow around. [/b]
Yeah....that 'J' shaped movement I diagrammed in the Form Clock thread.
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This is me shooting world field champs last year, as you con see the back tension stops straight after the release, I got away with it because I repeated that action consistently and I have a rock solid bow hand.
I made the switch to Recurve in the Autumn and took the time learning a new bow to work on a more dynamic release
World Field champs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSA2nmmAqI8)
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rod jenkins sez never stop pulling the video hitting em like howard hill shows a dead release but ithink at anchor the pull continued only with control at at release my perception anyway my hand comes back on my face a bit what howard said with both hands do nothing imho
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I have the same style as Ron LaClair. Hold at anchor and put forward presure on the bow handle. At release my string hand does not move. Bow moves ever so slightly forward. Works pretty good for me.
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Howard had a dymamic release......
Howard\\'s Shooting clips... (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=87;t=000002)
Ron LaClair also has a dynamic release at times....
Ron\\'s shooting clips... (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=33;t=000005)
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I use a release like longStick64, no one really has a dead release anyway, to every action there is a equal and opposite reaction.
I use a triple anchor, right of mouth, thumb knuckle behind jaw bone, and feather touching nose, I try and keep my hand from moving after release abut it always comes back a little to my right shoulder.
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I think that what many people call a dead release is simply tension in the arm and shoulder which stops the rebound of the arm.. Getting them to relax the arm and shoulder muscles, making the arm a hook connected to the back will allow the around and down recoil..
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imo, all releases are "dynamic", there is no such thing as a "dead release" where the string hand doesn't move and only the fingers relax off the string. video yer "dead release" and you will *always* see the string hand move, even if you try to suppress that movement, it's still there. this is pure, elemental physics at work.
back in the 60's, when i shot lots of freestyle recurve fingers target archery (what's now considered "olympic archery"), the "flying release" was the goal and it was the total opposite of the "suppressed dead release" in that you were encouraged to *make* the string hand move rearward.
i think that good archery shooting form will differ from archer to archer, in that we are all somewhat physically/biomechanically different, and the bottom line is always good alignment and consistent form. oh yeah, it always helps to have yer mental head screwed on tight, too. the quest continues forever, and ever, and always ....
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Your holding the bow wieght , how could it not be dynamic.
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I agree with Rob.
I always thought I had a dead release. My string hand ends up near my anchor after I release.
Then I tried an experiment. I shot with a wall about one inch behind my string hand elbow. I figured that if my release is truly dead my elbow will remain an inch from the wall. Well, my elbow hit the wall pretty hard.
So here is my theory: All releases are dynamic. Most are more visible than others, but even the elbows/hands that don't look like they are going back do have some movement.
My 2 cents worth.
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Originally posted by Ravenhood:
Your holding the bow wieght , how could it not be dynamic.
When you collapse at moment of release, common problem if your just holding at anchor.
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Right Zeta.....dynamic in the wrong direction.
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Originally posted by Terry Green:
Dynamic means you never stop pulling....Static means you stop.
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I must be over drawing by looking at your video. It looks like on the video that you are short drawing. But who am I to say. You cant argue with how well you shoot.
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Originally posted by cahaba:
Originally posted by Terry Green:
Dynamic means you never stop pulling....Static means you stop.
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I must be over drawing by looking at your video. It looks like on the video that you are short drawing. But who am I to say. You cant argue with how well you shoot. [/b]
It's not always easy to get everything in line on things like up/down shots or some strange angle shots, we need some adaptability in our shots, if you stand on flat ground sure try and do with best form possible but if it's not do the best you can for those conditions.
In some very awkward shooting positions a dead realease might actually help the shot.
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Cahaba....not sure if you are referring to me or not....but if so...this is a 29 inch arrow....all my arrows are 29 inches and have been so for years. This arrow is also tipped with a glue on judo on an adapter...you can see the break in the silver judo and the tan shaft.
Click Here (http://www.tradgang.com/videos/tg/tgshot91.wmv)
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***Transitioning from a Dead Release to a more complete Dynamic Release***
There are numerous viable forms of release techniques. Many highly competent archers have mastered various techniques and have thus personally validated the technique; for their needs have been met. There may in fact be a better release technique for you individually and may be explored and effectively evaluated by performing relaxed excellent shot execution.
Some, including myself, may possibly find that transitioning from a dead release to a more complete Dynamic Release far too big a jump. The string hand and arm actually explode vs being fluid and the string is torqued and moved away from medium alignment. The bow arm behavior at the shot remains a tell-tale sign. While not anywhere near as qualified as others who have thus responded, I am merely submitting what seems to work for me as well as others I have trained.
Note: There are five phases that I use, yet each one can be extremely effective if that is the decided release technique. The techniques described are communicated relative to my nose tip soft anchor and the 1st joint of my thumb under the ear lobe soft anchor. The lower lats tension at draw to anchor has been transferred to the rhomboids.
Also, once a phase has been mastered and you wish to explore the next phase, and then re-validate by observing the following:
....Verify string hand has only enough tension to hold the string and that the forearm remains relaxed
……..No explosion just a nice fluid execution
…….Verify bow arm remains stable thru shot and focus on target remains uninterrupted thru the shot conclusion.
Phase 1: Maintain rhomboid tension, then release by relaxing string hand yet maintain light 1st thumb joint contact under the ear lobe..
Phase 2: Controllably, while remaining relaxed, increase rhomboid tension and slightly rotating the bow arm elbow rearward. Fluidly release--1st joint of thumb stays lightly contacting underneath earlobe while hand position opens slightly away from face due to back tension.
Phase 3: Same as phase two with exception of increasing rhomboid tension and slightly more bow arm elbow rotation, thus causing the 1st joint of thumb to start sliding back along the neck.
Phase 4: Extend phase three; Focus on slightly increasing more back tension and bow hand/arm pressure towards the target to fluidly extend thru the complete release as the 1st joint of the thumb slides along side the neck and to rear of neck and/or touch the shoulder.
Phase 5: Same as phase four with exception of permitting shoulder blades to squeeze together at conclusion.
If I am struggling with my release, then I will revisit the previous phases.
A best technique is one you have mastered and own when called upon. Exploring and mastering other techniques may possibly pay large dividends. The act of shooting our traditional equipment should become as normal as eating a boloney sandwich. Challenges confront us all.
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Looks good Terry, very consistent.I am right now very aware of the position of my elbow. When I get to almost full draw I push my elbow back just a little to get full expansion and the shot goes off. Is this one way to do it right or not? Now when I can do it without thinking......
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Not just back...but around....check out the form clock thread featured at the top... :campfire: