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Main Boards => The Shooters FORM Board => Topic started by: Chain2 on January 27, 2012, 07:53:00 AM
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I shoot alot better w/ 3-UNDER. I have tried split and no matter what I do I can't get a consistant release. I have tried a tab also. With 3-UNDER my left and right inconsisttantcies are gone or at least manageable. I still need to hone the vertical. I was wondering if I shouldn't try to shoot split more or just stick with 3-UNDER ? I don't want to seem like a quitter. Thank you
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If your still shooting you haven't quit anything. Shoot however you need to for your own consistency. The best change I ever made in my shooting was switching to 3-under. The second best thing I ever did was to find what worked for me and quit trying everything else. :thumbsup:
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Originally posted by TSHOOTER:
If your still shooting you haven't quit anything. Shoot however you need to for your own consistency. The best change I ever made in my shooting was switching to 3-under. The second best thing I ever did was to find what worked for me and quit trying everything else. :thumbsup:
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Originally posted by Chain2:
I don't want to seem like a quitter. Thank you
Seems like an odd thing to say. In any sport I've ever tried, there are multiple ways of doing things, and people generally need to try one thing and then another until they find out what works out best for them.
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If your goal was to shoot well using a split finger release... then yes, you are a quitter
But if your goal was to shoot well irregardless of release style; then no... you've just found what works well for you given your skill level..
Anyone can learn to shoot well using either release... it's a matter of which you want to use..
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Thank you Guys.
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Odd this topic has come up as..
Just this past week..just fer gits and shiggles..i went back to "trying" 3under again..and i've bounced back and forth a couple times over the past few months cause while split feels more natural to me?..i get better periphial alignment of the arrow with 3under..i can see the whole shaft throughout the draw..get's it right up under my eye..and i seem to shoot better..and i knew all that before but what i stumbled upon this time switching to 3under was this...
1. It lines my bowhand up with my stringhand perfectly..with the arrow shaft positioned just above them both and what that seemed to do was..
2. Applied a more equalized pressure of the grip against my bowhand as i expand through the draw and could grip the bow "lighter instead of tighter" as i did with split cause the biased draw of having my stringhand ABOVE my bowhand gave the grip somewhat of a "rocking back" sensation.
and as a result?..the limbs seemed to respond in a more balanced mannor and the bow seems far more stable at the shot and i dare say there was a noticable reduction in felt handshock.
and while romance and sentiment have their place?..when it comes to me shooting better?.."logic" comes first..so that the goals i set for myself are realistic.
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Everyone has their own Style of Shooting. Its like "Whatever Gets You Through The Shot", ya know? Whatever gets the Arrow where You want it! THAT Aint Quitting!! :thumbsup:
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This is not meant to be rude to you personally, but it really disturbs me that you would feel this way. Has our community become so adamant about defining what is "traditional" or "right" that you would feel that you are supposed to shoot split? It's just a place to put your fingers on the string. The object of the game is to make the arrow hit what you are aiming at. Right? Who cares where your fingers are?
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Originally posted by Ranger B:
This is not meant to be rude to you personally, but it really disturbs me that you would feel this way. Has our community become so adamant about defining what is "traditional" or "right" that you would feel that you are supposed to shoot split? It's just a place to put your fingers on the string. The object of the game is to make the arrow hit what you are aiming at. Right? Who cares where your fingers are?
X2
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I feel it's the opposite of giving up. Giving up would be settling for mediocre. You're changing and adapting to continiously improve! That to me shows dedication.
I myself have been trying to change things up to improve my form and consistancy and part of that was trying 3 under as well. I'm liking it. It brings the arrow closer to my eye while still allowing me to use familiar anchor points.
Watch masters of the barebow and you will see all the greats don't agree on what is right or wrong, but know only what works for them, and what they can repeat consistantly.
Dan
---I see you too are from MI. If you're from the west side and are ever up for some stumping feel free to PM me.
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Chain2 do what feels best for you as said by RangerB as long as the arrow goes were your lookin everything else is a mute point. Giving up or failure is when you stop trying, any hows keep at it and it will come around. :archer2:
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Originally posted by DGF:
I feel it's the opposite of giving up. Giving up would be settling for mediocre. You're changing and adapting to continiously improve! That to me shows dedication.
I myself have been trying to change things up to improve my form and consistancy and part of that was trying 3 under as well. I'm liking it. It brings the arrow closer to my eye while still allowing me to use familiar anchor points.
Watch masters of the barebow and you will see all the greats don't agree on what is right or wrong, but know only what works for them, and what they can repeat consistantly.
Dan
---I see you too are from MI. If you're from the west side and are ever up for some stumping feel free to PM me.
Exactly...along with Ranger B's input..and FWIW?..i'm a former US Marine..and the mantra we lived by was..
"ADAPT AND OVERCOME"
THERE IS NO SHAME IN DOING WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO TO ACCOMPLISH AND COMPLETE THE MISSION IN A CONSISTANT AND EFFECTIVE MANNOR.
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I meant no disrespect to anyone. Going to 3 under was a necessity for me to start improving. Most of the books and videos I watch are about split. I appraiser all the help I get here. I wanted to make sure I am doing it right. Thank you
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Originally posted by Chain2:
I meant no disrespect to anyone. Going to 3 under was a necessity for me to start improving. Most of the books and videos I watch are about split. I appraiser all the help I get here. I wanted to make sure I am doing it right. Thank you
That’s ok, folks who shoot 3-under are often very defensive about their choice… :biglaugh:
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Now that's funny no matter who ya are. :clapper:
Good luck Jim in making progress with your shooting. It's all about confidence, and we owe a certain level of skill to the game we hunt so do whatever works best for you.
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Shooting a stickbow is very personal thing which is why I like it . Most shoot barebow which is having no sites , it really does not matter how you arange your fingers on the string but is does matter about good using form and really thats about it . :thumbsup:
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No, 3 under is just another way to shoot....as a matter of fact, its probably KEPT a few folks from giving up that couldn't shoot split.
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Like I said earlier, everything seems more natural with 3-UNDER. My last post had soem awful spelling. I sent it from my I-phone which I haven't totally figured out yet. I meant to say I appreciate all the help I get here. Thank you Guys.
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Chain2, I understand your sentiment and have felt the same at times. I shoot both. Why? Why not, I'm just having fun and trying different styles has allowed me to discover for myself what people have been saying here for a long time: With proper alignment everything else falls into place.
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Champion shooter Rick Welch in the very popular 'The Accuracy Factory" videos teaches and shoots 3-under. Check him out.
Marco
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Champion shooter Rick Welch in the very popular 'The Accuracy Factory" videos teaches and shoots 3-under. Check him out.
Marco
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I just ordered the Accuacy Factory. Thank you for all your help.
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Chain2,
I shoot split finger and have tried to switch to 3 under without much success. If you look around it seems to me that most of the best shooters out there are shooting 3 under so to me you are ahead of the game there. Like everyone else said do what feels comfortable.
Good luck.
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i switched to 3 under this past summer and ain't looking back. more consistent groups for me and like the anchoring better with 3 under. for me i have less flyers with 3 under and when i do have one it is because i have loss my focus and was getting tired.it is more comfortable for me but everyone is different. try it and if it dosn't work you can go back. best of luck to ya.
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Not giving up. I have always shot split. Tried 3 under a few times. I just felt like it put too much stress on my bow. Like one limb was pulling way more than the other. BILL
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Tradition dies hard! And we all draw that line where we feel we want to!
I believe "Three under" is possible, and growing more popular, largly because of the availability of of our modern snap on nocks. With the Nirk nocks that we used in the 60s and 70s a bit of finger pinch from the split finger "Mediterranean draw" helped to secure the arrow tightly to the string. In my past personal experience, a little room between the string and bottom of the nock has resulted in a number of broken nocks and bad shots. And you'll still need it to hold the arrow against the riser if you'd like to try canting backward or shooting lying on your back etc.
Prior to plastic nocks, a shallow self nocked arrow was fairly common on this continent, and usually required a pinch draw, with the arrow held against the string between the thumb and index finger.
I'm not too well versed on the history of horn nocks and such overseas - what did the English longbows use?
Traditional is as Traditional does!