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Main Boards => The Shooters FORM Board => Topic started by: fireball31 on February 04, 2012, 01:41:00 PM
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I shoot all the time and I find that I'm the only trad guy in our bunch that has a long deliberate hold at anchor before releasing (2-3 seconds) Everyone else seems to release as soon as they reach anchor. I'm just interested to see what you guys do
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I voted hold but it varies. I let go after i hit anchor and target is acquired, sometimes that is .5 sec sometimes that is 2 or 3 sec.
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Found that I developed target panic if I did not deliberately hold and get my back tension. Don't want to go back down that road...
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I can shoot either way, but find that if I hold a little, it's a bit more accurate.
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I do a short hold, most of the time it is more to ensure that I have correct form than for "aiming" though. I have been working on getting rid of some form issues and this short hold has helped significantly.
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I hold for 3 to 5 secs. I'm much more accurate if I'm able to settle on the target and release.
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Short hold for me also. It just seems right to me. I need a second or so to make sure everything feels right.
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I hold after coming to anchor and then when it feels right (push - pull) I release.
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Well, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one. They all think that I'm gapping because I hold so long. I don't consciously pay any attention to the arrow I just feel better when I settle into my anchor.
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I think a deliberate hold is better for developing back muscles and stamina. I do a deliberate hold for 2-3 secs.
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Originally posted by mmgrode:
Found that I developed target panic if I did not deliberately hold and get my back tension. Don't want to go back down that road...
:thumbsup: x2
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I have found that if I hold even for just a little bit that it gives me time to get to full draw. And probably has to do with the back tension thing.
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Depends on how strong the bow is! Brief touch at 60#, short hold at 50#, hold as long as I want at 40#.
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A telling question would also be what is you average distance, I'm guessing the guys that hold for a few secs will likely be shooting longer distances.
Under 20y you can do quite a lot a get away with it, my personal experience and from observing others is that touch & go release doesn't work that well past 20y.
So a lot of this has to do with the distance and type of shooting you do.
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Find what works best for you....BOTH can lead to target panic...yes, I've seen guys hold at full draw TERRIFIED to let go....holding also leads to forward creep and collapse.
So, both work and both have negatives if not applied correctly.
I voted touch and go cause most times that's how I shoot...but I can shoot both ways, although I'm not really holding still, I'm holding like Rod Jengins....if the game I'm after dictates that I 'hold' for a particular shot.
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Originally posted by zetabow:
A telling question would also be what is you average distance, I'm guessing the guys that hold for a few secs will likely be shooting longer distances.
Under 20y you can do quite a lot a get away with it, my personal experience and from observing others is that touch & go release doesn't work that well past 20y.
So a lot of this has to do with the distance and type of shooting you do.
Great point. My own observation is that grip it and rip it shooters are deadly out to about 20 yards, but accuracy drops considerably beyond that.
I have a very deliberate anchor process that works for me and causes an endless amount of amusement for my shooting partners.
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Generally I hold, but it's usually for about a second or less. Sometimes I "grip it and rip it". This isn't because I prefer one way or another, but simply because my form is not as consistent as it should be. It's a constant battle, but that's the challenge and the fun.
One of these days I'll video my form and let you guru's disect it.
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For myself, if I did not draw well enough to be on target within one second, no amount of holding time will make it better. Depends somewhat on the bow for me, with longbows most of the time my most accurate shot at any range is the amount of time it takes to have a solid anchor. With my recurve left handed if I hold more than a second, I start getting left right up and down guessing errors. Even then when I am grooved in with the lefty recurve out to 30 yards is rarely over 1/2 second the draw speed just slows way down. Most of my long shots have a slower draw, but not a longer hold.
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Originally posted by Terry Green:
Find what works best for you....BOTH can lead to target panic...yes, I've seen guys hold at full draw TERRIFIED to let go....holding also leads to forward creep and collapse.
So, both work and both have negatives if not applied correctly.
I voted touch and go cause most times that's how I shoot...but I can shoot both ways, although I'm not really holding still, I'm holding like Rod Jengins....if the game I'm after dictates that I 'hold' for a particular shot.
That is what happened to me with light weight bows. I could not let go. TP is nasty. I have dealt with it for 5 yrs. Finding my way out of the dark, through a disciplined shooting form and lots of blind bale and longer distance shooting. For me, I anchor solid, but I do not hold. In the past I overdrew and, then settled and held and then relaxed. that led me down the dark path of TP. Now it is one continuous motion as the energy transfers to my back muscles, refuse to hold. I can hold for a particular shot. Touch and go does not mean lacking of anchor. Fluid and constant with a pause. Never stop the tension. Bow weight will also effect the timing of the shot to some degree. To me a bow under 60# now does not give me the resilency of tension for the feeling I need for a crisp fluid shot.
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I must qualify my next statement so not to be misunderstood :saywhat: Ok here go I find the poll #'s 29% T&G and 71% hold quite difference then what I actually see most guys do at the very limited 3d shoots I’ve attended. I'm definitely a T&G shooter with a bad TP problem. I'm wondering if they’re more individual who think they really hold but if caught on film it would tell a different story, just saying :rolleyes:
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Im an instinctive,touch and go shooter. This works well for me hunting and for 3-d , doesnt matter to me if its 10 ..or 40 yards.
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I've seen Champ shoot and felt the agony of defeat at his hands :notworthy: a very good shot and a very controlled T&G (reminds me of Terry style).
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i hold achor also try to make sure everything the way i want it
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Lol, I owe you for that one John..hope to see you at Tannhill this coming wkend, Shane
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Voted "touch n go" ; but, definitely not hold for 2-3 seconds. More like 1 second maybe. All my pre-shot instinctive mechanics are done prior to draw as opposed to after. I shoot instinctive only w/o reference to arrow or tip at all.
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I voted deliberate hold, but its only for a second or two. I use to be the touch and go shooter with my 62# bow, but I just got a 71# bow this winter and I found myself not coming all the way back to anchor. Now I drag my thumb across the corner of my mouth, middle finger comes to the corner of my mouth, thumb drops behind my jaw bone, and I keep pulling till my feathers touch my nose for a second. And of course pull through my shot. Also like Terry said, I let the game dictate what I do in a certain situation. If I'm standing in front of a target or stump shooting, I go through the process I posted above.
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I voted hold, which is new for me. I've really been able to make lots of improvement by holding, feeling my anchor, and letting my bow arm settle. Then the shot just happens.