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Main Boards => The Shooters FORM Board => Topic started by: nhbuck1 on March 14, 2017, 07:22:00 PM
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before you draw your bow how do you bend at the waist before your bow arm goes up to get your cant? do you simply just lean forward?
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The "bending" is happening after you are "squared" in place, not before or while preparing your shot. First draw the bow like shooting straight and after all the things are in place, you bend. When the structure is in place, you will see that the single way to move without losing it, is when your eyes, head, shoulders, arms, bow and arrow are acting like one.
The cant is something that is happening due to natural position of the bow hand when properly extended, the type of grip you use and how you look at the target. Unless there are some branches or obstacles that will force you to try to avoid them to get the shot I see no reason to worry about canting - this is something personal that comes natural. Trying to mimic something natural for someone else is not a good thing - forget about others, just observe yourself or listen to your body. When it doesn't feel good, something is done wrong. Sounds like a line from Mr Obvious book, but reality says that we tend to be "monkey see, monkey do" when we learn new things instead trying to understand why we see what we see.
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anyone else have a good example of this?
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Think of how you would move a shotgun in the shooting position. You would move your whole body to swing the shotgun up,down,left or right. Same thing with a bow at full draw.
Arne
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so in order to get my cant should i draw the bow vertical first?
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this is the area im confused at, or should you start your lean before full draw and before you raise the bow?
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I'd suggest LEARNING to do it standing straight up. ONCE you have the Idea, you can draw from any position and still achieve proper full draw alignment.
Arne
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i have been shooting for a while but im trying to understand the correct method on canting from the waist, is this something you do after at full draw? seems like alot of extra movement then before your draw cycle
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Yes, deer tend to get excitable about movement in tree stands....take Moe's advice. Ingrain the proper alignment of the upper torso needed before hunting season and then draw from the position that minimizes movements. I'd practice shooting seated also, been busted by plenty of deer trying to stand. I'm afraid the saying "deer never look up" became obsolete about the same time that Baker stands did.
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then how come you see people starting there draw with the bow already canted?
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Because no one does everything the same.
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that was a big help roy
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The point was, you could ask 10 different folks about how they cant the bow and draw. And you could get 10 different answers.
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i know roy it is very true with something i never thought of so i thought it was a good statement
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Originally posted by nhbuck1:
i have been shooting for a while but im trying to understand the correct method on canting from the waist, is this something you do after at full draw? seems like alot of extra movement then before your draw cycle
I don't see too many guys bending at the waist when they cant the bow. I just looked up a video of Byron shooting and he's canting the bow a good amount and there's no bending at the waist.
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exactly my point
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I shoot a lot of 3D. I've seen guys who shoot very well and they have form that would drive an archery coach crazy..
Kyle, I've read a lot of your threads. I can see you want to be a good archer, by the questions you ask. It's sometimes hard to put into words and hard for you to understand what's being explained to you. I wished we lived closer together so we could shoot together. It would help you greatly if you could stand behind or beside someone and watch how they shoot. And they watch you shoot and mentor you.
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Tell me if this will play.....
View From Rear (http://tradgang.com/videos/terry11.wmv)
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Here's a good friend of mine, a former National NFAA bowhunter champion and a very good shot. You can see how he is bending at the waist with his arms still perpendicular to his torso. Perhaps that will help.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/reddogge/Archery/IMG_1850_zpsttnhofir.jpg)
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It plays, Terry.
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(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/sarahtgtreeshotn2n.jpg)
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ok so bend at the waist before the draw starts as it shows in terrys video
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As a training technique in proper alignment, it is useful to draw in an upright posture, as if you were shooting at a target at shoulder level. This trains you to keep the magic T. From that position at full draw, you can bend and twist to suit the shot, always keeping your shoulders aligned. Terry illustrates this in the Tradgang video. You wouldn't want to do this when hunting, to minimize movement, but you have to learn to walk before you learn to run.
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I usually 'pre lean' before I draw the bow....I'm sort of 'in position' as I start to draw. But, this does work if you use the swing draw on a quick opportunity. Movement at the right time goes totally undetected. Gotten away with it more times than I can remember.
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Originally posted by nhbuck1:
so in order to get my cant should i draw the bow vertical first?
No not necessarily
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so why do i have to bend towards forward ( towards my belt buckle at waist) to shoot canted? i see other people shooting upright with the bow canted and sa they dont need to bend, how much do you have to bend ?
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Bending at the waist is simply a means of maintaining the magic T shape of your arms, shoulders and torso. Stand straight up and draw your bow to hit a target at chest level. You will notice that your arms, shoulders, and torso form a T shape. The goal is to keep that same T shape whether you are shooting at a target above or below you, or want to cant the bow for whatever reason you want to cant it. Bend as necessary to maintain the T shape. If you don't need to bend to maintain the T shape, then don't bend.
People shoot from all different postures. If you find some posture that works better for you than standard form, feel free to use it. It's just that on this forum, we teach standard form. No doubt standard form will continue to evolve, and will probably be different in some respects in 10 years than it is now. And, people will come along, like Rick Welch, who are successful shooting and teaching styles that vary in some respects from standard form.