Post by: Troy D. Breeding on January 23, 2004, 10:53:00 AM
Post by: bayoulongbowman on January 23, 2004, 11:49:00 AM
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on January 23, 2004, 01:00:00 PM
Post by: T-Bell on January 23, 2004, 01:30:00 PM
When I moved up from 53 to 58 I did just as you are doing. I would shoot the 53 a few shots to "warm up" and then shoot the 58 until my form was getting off and switch back to the 53. At the "Real Thing" last year I shot (5) 30 target rounds with the 58 and my last round was my best.
T-Bell
Post by: bayoulongbowman on January 23, 2004, 01:38:00 PM
Post by: Alan on January 24, 2004, 12:04:00 AM
Another way is to draw your bow and hold past anchor for a count of 5 and build it up from there. Works for me.
Hope this helps, regards Al in Oz. :cool:
Post by: Jock on January 24, 2004, 03:18:00 AM
Any suggestions
Post by: LBR on January 24, 2004, 03:43:00 AM
There was a good article in TBM a while back (will try to remember to look and see which issue) about building up to heavier bows--it was written my Dr. Don Thomas, so I believe it's good info (I tend not to believe everything I read). Tells about excercises you can do and such.
I've got an 85@30 on order for Oz, and my plan is to work with it until I'm comfortable, then shoot it exclusively until I do the hunt. I shoot [email protected] now, but used to shoot just over 80# for everything. Like Troy, I finally wised up and figured out there was no need for that kind of weight. Guess I am lucky--I can still pull over 100# (on a good day), and I don't think working back into 80+ will be a big ordeal.
Chad
Post by: Rockfish on January 25, 2004, 06:57:00 AM
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on January 25, 2004, 12:54:00 PM
You know I told you about that Arm breaking hand cannon the last time we talked. :scared:
I read the artical and thats what started me out. Wish I had a place for one of those home gyms like Dr. Don uses.
Like I said earlier, I thought I was in pretty fair shape. Last fall when bear hunting in NM with O.L. I didn't have any problem with the high altitude or handleing the heavy load of pack frame with gear and ground blind. However, after pulling out the next step up bow I found that somewhat conditioned legs and lungs ain't worth a hoot for pulling a heavier bow.
Did alittle bow trading last week and now have a three piece ACS that pulls 65# at my draw. Good thing about this bow is I can order extra limbs when I'm ready to increase my weight. :thumbsup: Hopefully with the way this puppie cast my heavy Hickories I want have to go much over 75# in bow weight.
So far I'm able to shoot somewhere around 50 arrows with the ACS after warming up with my lighter bow before I start loosing control
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At the rate things are going right now it want be long before the 65# will my starter bow. Not going to push it. It may take 2 or 3 months before this happens.
Post by: lcoast on January 25, 2004, 10:34:00 PM
=keith=
Post by: Lewis Smith on January 25, 2004, 10:44:00 PM
Post by: Wile E. Coyote on January 26, 2004, 11:05:00 AM
I used the exercises on the video "Pulling Bigger Bows" sorry but forget who produced it. You do the exercises with your bow. Found that they helped tremendously in building up the correct muscles without danger of injury.
Definitely worth the cost.
Post by: bayoulongbowman on January 26, 2004, 10:09:00 PM
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on January 27, 2004, 01:11:00 PM
Remember seeing that some time ago. Hadn't even thought about it. I'll see if I can find one. Good idea.
Post by: Charlie - SA on January 29, 2004, 03:58:00 PM
Charlie - SA
Post by: Jason Oles on January 29, 2004, 06:02:00 PM
Jason
Post by: Charlie - SA on January 31, 2004, 08:37:00 AM
I remember another thread about this subject came up and I recall looking through the past TBMs for an ad.
I've got the tape, it describes exercises using a bow, a cable or spring chest exerciser (the device with 2 handles and cables/springs connecting, add/remove to increase/decrease) and a set of spring grip exercisers.
Charlie - SA
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on January 31, 2004, 08:01:00 PM
Well it's been alittle while sence my first post. Thought I'd post how things are going.
After installing the chin-up bar I really found out what kind of wimp I was. Couldn't even make one chin-up. Talk about feeling like a woosey. :scared:
I've moved up to 25# hand weights and finding that it's really helping. The first few days of shooting my new 65# three piece ACS saw the world shake when I tried to hit full draw. :smileystooges:
As of this afternoon I'm able to reach full draw and shoot an average of thirty arrows before the quake starts. Now,,, I do warm up with my 57# bow for about thirty shots before grabbing the new bow.
With time I think I might just make it. :bigsmyl:
Post by: Rick McGowan on February 03, 2004, 02:37:00 PM
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on February 03, 2004, 11:20:00 PM
I know what your talking about when you say the second time around. I used to shoot 72#. When I started thinging about increasing my bow weight I wondered if I'd ever be able to do it. Simply moving up from 60# (bow is marked 57#@28" I pull 29") to 65# at 29 is a big adjustment.
I started pulling lefty as well as my normal righty afew days ago. At first I couldn't even get my old 50# bow to full draw pulling left handed. I'm still not able to hit full draw and hold. However, it will come in time.
The one thing my dad always told me is "son, you have all the time in the world. Hurting yourself trying to do something too fast will only cost you in the long run".
I figure it will be late in the tournament season before I feel comfortable enough with the 65# bow to even think about using it. Time is something I have plenty of. Lost wages from hurting myself by being stupid and trying to rush things is something I can't afford.
Post by: Rick McGowan on February 03, 2004, 11:29:00 PM
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Post by: Rick McGowan on February 07, 2004, 05:52:00 AM
Post by: bayoulongbowman on February 08, 2004, 01:20:00 PM
Post by: Bowlim on February 25, 2004, 11:08:00 PM
With good health, any exercise is probably a good thing, but bow wise the range of muscles is so narrow great strength like my friend's, doesn't translate. Get bows in 10 pound increments, at least one increment above the one you want to shoot. Work first for power, low reps in escalating weights, then work on your target weight for maximum reps once low reps become the norm. When gaining strength, as few as a few draws in the heavier weights spaced with a rest day is all you need. Do the same number of push-ups as you do draws. You can move up 20 pounds in a month or so with 10 draws every second day. Time is on your side if you don't overdo it.
The only thing about me would is that I have a fair amount of upper body size, some of it good some of it fat. I could imagine push-ups might not be sufficient to ballance out a lighter framed person's exercise regiment, for me they work fine.
Post by: brmize on March 19, 2004, 06:43:00 AM
Brian
Post by: LBR on March 28, 2004, 12:06:00 AM
Chad
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on March 28, 2004, 04:47:00 PM
Still waiting for you to tell me the heavy bow is in the house.
Post by: LBR on March 31, 2004, 08:34:00 PM
Chad
Post by: Tim Clark on April 17, 2004, 12:38:00 AM
Anyways, with office work being the norm for me nowadays, I sadly discovered that I'm nowhere NEAR the shape I was in when I worked outdoors. It isn't just being out of shape, but plain overall unhealthy and out of condition. Everything ached, all the time, especially my shoulders. My weight went from 185# rock-solid to 225# not-so-solid. At all. The pain in my shoulders made it so that drawing any bow was an excruciating experience; I'd pull to about 35# and started seeing stars, and it would hurt that way for days afterward. Also, numbness, as well as terrible muscle cramping and stiffness for no reason whatsoever, very unexpectedly. I had, and have, little to no time for much in the way of exercise.
Then, a friend took pity on me - or got sick of me whining, who knows - and turned me onto Matt Furey. I'll be the first to admit that the guy leans a bit toward left field, and I refuse to subscribe to his "beliefs," but he doesn't push them all that much and his program is for real. Kind of like, "chew the hay and spit out the stubble" - take what's good and filter out what's bad. Anyways, he's got a routine that's for real, as I said. Check out his website, just type matt furey in your search engine. I have to wait a little while before I can justify ordering what I want to get, but I know the shape my friend USED to be in, and the shape he's in NOW - he used to be far worse off than I am now, but now he's in better shape than I ever was even when I was in my 20's. I stop short of making any claims I myself have not yet realized, but this man has been a trusted friend for more than 17 years. In fact, it was the change in him over the last 4 months since I last saw him that made me whimper about wishing I was back in shape, and he felt bad for me so he shared what he'd done. I have to say, I had pretty much given up, but man am I excited again.
Anyways, I'm posting this for you and any other guys (or gals) who may be in the same boat as me. Or, as I believe I'll soon be able to say, the same boat that I used to be in.
To your health!
Post by: Doug R on April 18, 2004, 04:57:00 PM
I looked up is site but I get a little concerned when it comes to to much belief in self or eastern religion thinking being a christian. I know alot of martial arts people tend to lean that way.
His excersizes sound like they might be on the technical side to execute to get results.
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on April 20, 2004, 10:48:00 AM
Still working out with free weights about every other night. Chin up as many time as possible atleast every two to three days.
One of my shooting buddies has been working with me on my shooting form and I'm finding this to be as big of a help in bow weight as anything. I would have never known that my form was as bad of shape as it was if it hadn't been for him. :saywhat:
I'm not in a big hurry to jump into the heavier bow weights and only try for 10-20 shots with it. Once this mad rush of tournaments get past me I should be able to put in more practice time.
The upper body and back muscles seem to be coming right along. It's the rest of the body that feels like jelly. :D
Post by: REMWIN on May 12, 2004, 04:57:00 PM
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Post by: Vance in AK. on June 05, 2004, 01:57:00 PM
I took a few months off from shooting due to a hand injury. Started shooting again about 2 weeks ago. Used my 58# bow the first day, & it felt good. Went stumping the next day. Hmmm... which bow to take. Of course I grab the 70# Martin M14. Not only heavy to draw, but there's a BIT of handshock there. My arm vibrated for a half hour after I quit shooting. I'm not the sharpest spoon in the drawer sometimes. And maybe I need to raise the brace height on the Martin a bit more.
Vance in AK.
Post by: Don Thomas on June 05, 2004, 11:47:00 PM
Post by: 8th Dwarf on June 09, 2004, 07:12:00 AM
I normally shoot 70-74 pounds at 26". My Buffalo bow is 85 pounds at 26". As Don says, it's TOUGH moving up there. What follows has worked perfectly for me...no extra weight lifting or work-outs, either.
Keep the bow strung (not in a hot place). Each morning for a week to ten days, draw the bow without an arrow on the string five times. Now here is the important part... Draw it to your EAR! I reckon this is 2-3 inches past my normal draw/anchor at the corner of my mouth.
This trains your muscles to think they have to go there every time. I do five reps each morning and five each night. DO NOT SHOOT THE BOW DURING THESE WORK OUTS!
After the first week or so, increase the reps to ten pulls each morning and night. A week or so later, go to 15 reps, then 20, etc.
When you can draw the bow to your ear 25 times, you are ready to shoot. Now keep in mind that your muscles "think" you are going to draw to your ear. When you nock an arrow and draw this "puppy" back to your normal anchor, your muscles will smile, sigh, and not let you down.
I was just in Oz and banging arrows out all day from the 85 pounder. Piece of cake, mate! I'm headed to Africa in July for Cape Buff and back to Oz next June for Water Buff. I'm feeling so good about the heavier weight that I'll probably hunt with that weight this fall.
Keep in mind, too, that I am a wee dwarf and SIXTY ONE years old! (That's older than DIRT!) If I can do it, so can you.
Too F. Short
Post by: mike hall on June 10, 2004, 11:09:00 PM
Post by: casey allen on June 14, 2004, 08:50:00 AM
thanks
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on June 14, 2004, 12:01:00 PM
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Post by: One eye on July 09, 2004, 09:36:00 PM
Dan
Post by: wattensawbohuntr on August 08, 2004, 08:58:00 PM
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on August 09, 2004, 03:35:00 PM
The one good thing is I've been on a diet and with all the hard work I had to do after the fire I've managed to loose afew pounds. As of this past week I had lost 31#. The weight loss and physical labor is helping when it comes to standing all day dipping arrows or walking long distance. Blood pressure is back to normal (my family Dr. freeked last year when it topped out at 167 over 132)and colestrol level is back to 167 (it too got alittle out of hand. Almost 100 points higher to start with).
I still have trouble finding time to shoot as much as I would like to but, when I do get to shoot I'm finding it much easier to shoot the 65# bow for longer periods. Hopefully by bow season I'll be able to atleast feel confident that I can handle it to hunt with instead of wishing I could warm up for the shot with a lighter bow.
Post by: wattensawbohuntr on August 11, 2004, 09:12:00 AM
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on August 11, 2004, 09:37:00 AM
Post by: LocDoc on August 19, 2004, 12:48:00 AM
Best to all
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Post by: devildog66 on September 25, 2004, 11:23:00 PM
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on September 26, 2004, 11:31:00 AM
Still on the diet. At the last weigh in I'm down 42#. Excercise program seems to be really paying off. I'm still using the free weights but, backed off the chin-ups due to feeling some sharp pains in the right shoulder.
I started walking alittle more and have found that my legs are in less than exceptable condition. Gotta find more time for this part of the excercise program.
Yesterday while shooting the 210 piece bow I caught myself overdrawing it. In the last couple of weeks I havn't had to use the lighter bow to warm up with. The 210 piece bow pulls 63# @ 29" and I caught myself pulling past my 29" draw. Best I could figure I had to be pulling atleast 29-1/2". That makes my bow weight pretty close to 65#. Gonna warm up with the 210 bow today then start moving on up to my 65#@29" bow. If I get to where I can handle it without problems I'll only have one more bow to move up on before I have to build something alittle stronger. I'll know alittle more as to how well I can handle the current bow weight soon as the temps drop. Sitting in a stand or blind for several hours in cold weather can make for a hard pull.
Post by: devildog66 on September 26, 2004, 11:08:00 PM
That's great news about the weight and the conditioning program. Sounds like you'll be walking the mountains flat this year. I think that one of the others has mentioned this but it sounds like you may want to start a regimen for your shoulders to increase the strength and flexibility of your rotator cuffs. These muscles and ligaments aren't very strong but are crucial to your shoulder joint well-being. Another vulnerable part of the shoulder is the biceps tendon; it can be injured rather easily through repetitive strain. Using ice after you lift and using a theraband BEFORE you lift can really help cut down on any show stopping injuries like these. Keep it up and will talk to you soon.
DD
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on September 27, 2004, 10:48:00 AM
Warmed up with the 63# bow without any problem. When I moved to the next bow it felt like I had grabbed an extra 10# in weight. I hear fellows talk about shooting light weight bows during the summer to tournament shoot then pick up their 10-15# heavier bow to hunt with. Unless they are shooting it alittle during the summer they must really shake. I felt like a dog trying to pass a peach seed.
Post by: devildog66 on September 27, 2004, 10:20:00 PM
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