Post by: Dsturgisjr on January 02, 2005, 01:19:00 PM
Post by: Gun on January 02, 2005, 01:44:00 PM
Post by: Randy Cooling on January 02, 2005, 02:01:00 PM
Post by: Al Kidner on January 02, 2005, 07:07:00 PM
Alan in Oz.
Post by: The Lost Viking on January 02, 2005, 08:25:00 PM
What weight bow and arrows are you shooting for? Don't you shoot on the heavy side already?
Looking forward to reading/watching the story.
Post by: Dr. J.R. Chambers on January 02, 2005, 08:42:00 PM
J.R
Post by: Dsturgisjr on January 03, 2005, 05:31:00 AM
Gun, wish you could go too. There has to be a way.
Randy, Good luck and look forward to visiting in Kazoo.
LOL Alan. I really like my dogs.
Todd, I've been shooting some wuss weight bows the last few years.
Dr. J.R., Keep your fingers wet; just a few root canals and crowns away. Are you going to the same place?
Post by: Ryan Rothhaar on January 03, 2005, 08:25:00 AM
Hey, anybody that is going to Hotspur with Rick, what are your dates??
I'll be there May 14th-June 4th.
Ryan
Post by: Rick McGowan on January 03, 2005, 08:33:00 AM
Post by: Darryl Quidort on January 03, 2005, 07:13:00 PM
Darryl
Post by: Doug R on January 03, 2005, 07:37:00 PM
Good luck you guys :thumbsup:
Post by: Jock on January 04, 2005, 03:06:00 PM
Good Huntin boys, lookin forward to the DVD.
Post by: Rick McGowan on January 04, 2005, 04:09:00 PM
Post by: Dsturgisjr on January 04, 2005, 10:41:00 PM
Doug R, paper wasps- LOL
Darryl, wide angle lens up close and personal would probably be better.
Is a buffalo stare worse than an elephant or brown bear stare?
Rick, I can barely wait!
Post by: 2-BIG on January 05, 2005, 04:34:00 AM
Post by: Rick McGowan on January 07, 2005, 10:39:00 AM
wrote, "they look at you like you owe them money" and I will add "a lot of money" and they suspect that you have had less than pure thoughts about their wife!
Post by: Extremist on January 08, 2005, 11:27:00 AM
Post by: Physh on January 08, 2005, 08:50:00 PM
Post by: Basalt on January 09, 2005, 08:40:00 PM
Post by: Basalt on January 10, 2005, 02:18:00 AM
G'day Al, how you doing? Just tried to give you a call. See if you knew how to do this. Got James to have a go anyway.
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on January 10, 2005, 09:07:00 AM
Nice Bull!!!!!!!!
What was your setup for this hunt???
Post by: Darryl Quidort on January 10, 2005, 08:14:00 PM
Post by: Basalt on January 11, 2005, 02:29:00 PM
Darryl,I can see some in my front yard now. Oz is full of Roos mate once you get in the bush a bit. Most property owners are only to happy to let you cull a few BUT you need to have tags.
Post by: Dsturgisjr on January 11, 2005, 09:17:00 PM
Post by: Rick McGowan on January 11, 2005, 10:35:00 PM
Post by: Dsturgisjr on January 11, 2005, 10:54:00 PM
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on January 11, 2005, 11:06:00 PM
I've felt for a long time that with the right type bow and a good heavy arrow a buff could be taken with alittle less poundage. I feel confident enough to say that one of my bows built in the mid 70's will do the job very well. If not I'm dang sure confident that one of O.L. Adcocks ACS or CX bows in the mid 70's will do the job.
If you get a chance talk to Dr. Ed about his findings after shooting one of O.L.'s bows before returning to OZ. If I understand it right he tested something like a 53# bow at his draw that almost produced the same speeds he is getting out of his 82# bow. Not sure on the exact arrow weight but if memory serves right it was something over 800gr.
Post by: Aussie Stickbow Hunter on January 12, 2005, 07:01:00 AM
Doesn't matter if you have tags or not!
By law they must be 'head shot' and then only with a centre fire rifle!!!
Jeff
Post by: Jock on January 12, 2005, 10:21:00 AM
I had an incling that this might be the case, anywhere I have been in Queensland and New South Wales it is taboo even to mention hunting "Roos", suggested it once in a pub in Goondawindi and nearly started a riot :scared: cost me a round of drinks to settle the place down again
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Post by: Extremist on January 13, 2005, 08:19:00 AM
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on January 13, 2005, 03:33:00 PM
It all has to do with the limb design. The limbs on O.L.'s bow are concave/convex from about mid limb to the tips. It stiffens the limb tips and allowing for less weight on the tips. End results, faster recovery of the limbs thus more speed. Doubt you will be able to get one that heavy. If I remember right he has something like a 65# limit. At times he does have one that turns out above weight. That would most likely be the only way you could get one much above that.
I'm going on bad memory here but, if I remember right the 52# bow Dr. Ed shot pushed something like a 850gr arrow at 132 FPS. O.L. told me about it but, I was having one of those pain days and had taken some of my pain meds.
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I may not have the exact story quite up to par but, I think I'm pretty close.
Post by: Rick McGowan on January 13, 2005, 07:14:00 PM
Post by: Extremist on January 15, 2005, 02:45:00 PM
Would that put it over the Black Widow's? I was under the impression that they were one of the fastest bows produced, and I believe they also posses the Reflex/Deflex design engineering. The weight limit thing kinda sucks as I like to shoot some heavy equipment, hence the handle. Would love to give one a try someday. Thanks.
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on January 15, 2005, 05:27:00 PM
O.L.s ACS bows have been shot several times against BW bows. The BW has yet to beat the ACS. The CX is even faster than the ACS.
Year before last Norb Malany (hope I spelled his name right)tested one of O.L.s ACS bow and it topped everything he had ever tested in Traditional gear.
Post by: LBR on January 15, 2005, 06:41:00 PM
As far as I know, O.L.'s bows are among the fastest longbows, if not the fastest, all else being equal. In my opinion, any longbow that shoots 10 grains per lb. at 180 fps or more is fast.
Troy is that shoulder healed up yet?
Chad
Post by: Dr. Ed Ashby on January 15, 2005, 06:57:00 PM
Have checked the draw weight several times. I'm pulling only 55# on it and Cher is pulling about 52.5# to 52.75#.
I'm not much of a 'bow freak'. Bows just launch the arrow. If it's silent enough, easy for me to shoot well under hunting conditions, and tosses the arrows out well enough to give me the impact force I want, I'm pretty satisfied. That said, all I'll say at the moment about O.L.'s CX is that it has been a long, long time since I lusted for a bow ... but the CX ... it is incredable! Having to keep repeating my test because I'm finding it hard to believe what I'm seeing! Pretty sure that a 65#-70# CX would equal the performance of my 82# bows I usually hunt with.
Ed
uumm i just saw that the boy was telln ya he's been playing wiid MY bow....yep, i'll hav ta lock it up be4 he leaves :mad:
Post by: C. Lacey on January 15, 2005, 07:27:00 PM
Ah, I see dis is a SERIOUS thread about buff etc...
sorry for the intruption then - I just leaned over Ed's shoulder for a read and had to stick my noseypoke in. He DID try to stop me from getting to the keys though - hence my bad spelling above.
Ed is rather taken by this OL bow (so am I for that matter).
You should realize though that there are some disadvantages to such a bow.... :)
1. The tredjectory is tooooo flat! This means ya have to learn to just POINT AND SHOOT...don't go thinking that you'll have to lift your arm to get the arrow 'way down there'...you'll just lose that arrow. Have just set up a few arrows suitable for target, spined 'just right' at my draw for that dang bow. Well, after having a long history of 'never quite making it' to the 50 metre targets....now I'm shooting over them!!!!
Still have one arrow hiding in the scrub behind the far target on our local range!
Since I only started with 6 arrows (got some lil 2112's to play with till I've set up some LIGHT woodies) this can be somewhat of a pain.
2. The other 'problem' I've encountered...is that my grouping has improved!!! Tut tut! Killed one of my arrows the other day 'cause that dang bow made me group too close!
So you see boys, you really should be careful what you wish for - not that I'm complaining....but we girls are a different matter...
One can never have too many shoes....or bows :cool: especially pretty ones like those that O.L. makes!
Cher
p.s. for the 'serious' stuff....well, I'm going to go 'help' Ed (hehehe) with the buff this year - can't let him just take the bow and not me!! - so guess we'll have some of that yabber to tell ya'all later on.
Post by: Extremist on January 17, 2005, 03:17:00 AM
Post by: donb on January 17, 2005, 06:59:00 PM
Post by: Extremist on January 17, 2005, 08:26:00 PM
Post by: LBR on January 18, 2005, 01:58:00 AM
Chad
Post by: Extremist on January 18, 2005, 03:22:00 AM
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on January 18, 2005, 09:51:00 AM
Does Hill give any kind of numbers for arrow weight?
I've shot several of then an have yet to find one that will produce those kinds of speed with decent arrow weight (i.e. 10gpp or more) unless the draw was exceptionally long.
If I'm not mistaken you can find O.L.s web site in the vendor links of this site.
O.L. has made a recurve or two but basically sticks to longbows. Since he started the ACS line it's been all longbows. The concave/convex limb design is why.
Post by: donb on January 18, 2005, 11:34:00 AM
Post by: LBR on January 18, 2005, 03:38:00 PM
180 fps is pretty quick for a longbow drawn to 28" shooting 10 grains per lb. I don't get quite 190 fps with mine, and I draw it 30.5"--that's with arrows that are just under 10 grains per lb (average about 9.5 gpp). I can drop arrow weight and get 220 fps or better.
Not trying to argue the point with you or doubt your honesty, just the information you were given leaves a bit open for question.
The Hill bows are steeped in the tradition of Howard Hill, and no doubt he was an amazing shot with his own design, but there are much more efficient bows on the market now. I personally like a grip that fits my hand, rather than having to make my hand fit the grip.
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The more efficient the bow, the less bow weight is necessary to achieve a given amount of KE or momentum. Brilliant! LolYep, that's it in a nutshell as far as speed/momentum/KE is concerned.
Chad
Post by: donb on January 18, 2005, 04:10:00 PM
Post by: LBR on January 18, 2005, 06:40:00 PM
Chad
Post by: Rick McGowan on January 18, 2005, 07:41:00 PM
Post by: Randy Cooling on January 18, 2005, 09:12:00 PM
Post by: Dr. Ed Ashby on January 19, 2005, 05:19:00 PM
Ed
Post by: Extremist on January 19, 2005, 06:24:00 PM
LBR, what 85lb bow are you referring to above? With the Hill bows, just check their website. This is where I found speed references; and they do fit my hand quite nicely if I do say so, but I'm not overly impressed with it.
donb, what is this "dark side bow" you speak of? If it is a compound you might just want to put it at the same level as a standard recurve as it would be mighty tough to kill a decent bull with only 55lbs. They have speed but not the torque of traditional bows.
Post by: donb on January 19, 2005, 08:45:00 PM
Post by: LBR on January 19, 2005, 11:38:00 PM
Chad
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on January 20, 2005, 09:26:00 AM
I feel the same way. I have no doubt that my 65# ACS will do the job but, why go after something that big with the min. weight when I know in time I can handle another 10-15#.
Post by: Rick McGowan on January 21, 2005, 03:04:00 PM
Post by: Basalt on January 23, 2005, 06:39:00 PM
We head off to N.Z. for a Trad shoot and a bit of bowhunting in two days be away for two weeks.
Bill.
Post by: Dsturgisjr on January 25, 2005, 12:52:00 AM
Attended the Trad Expo at Kalamazoo. Black Widow brought my new Buff bow. 64", 84#@28" PLX td bocote. It will be 81-82# at my draw length. Bare shaft tuned arrows for a couple hours today. Ended up with 1094 grains. Made up 6 arrows and will shoot them for a week to make sure before I make up 4 dozen. I think I'll hunt rabbits and turkey this spring with them to become as familiar as possible with the set up. Got a chance to talk to Monty Browning and Randy Cooling for some good advise. Also talked to Bill Boczar (SP?) from Allegany Arrows - Dr. Ashby had spent a couple days with him and shared some good info.
Rounded up my old 3-D ASAT top and head cover to try and look like grass.
I can't wait!
Post by: Randy Cooling on January 25, 2005, 05:08:00 PM
Post by: Dsturgisjr on January 25, 2005, 08:43:00 PM
Randy, sure enjoyed talking to you again. We have to get together on a hunt sometime.
I ended up scraping the double shafts after being too stiff. I wanted to be able to draw the broadhead to my knuckle and this complicated things. I ended up with a CX Heritage 350 shaft. From throat of nock to back of head 27.5". This will give me 27" of draw. 190 grain Grizzly broadhead on a 125 grain steel BH adapt. Three 70 grain weights inside the shaft screwed into the insert. On the nock end I've got 2 70 grain weights screwed into the nock adapt. The arrows fly beautifly and accurately. I am surprised at how fast they still are - thought it would dog out more, especially with a puny 27" draw. I'll shoot it through the chrono not that it matters.
Post by: Ryan Rothhaar on January 26, 2005, 11:54:00 AM
I'm sure this bow is a sissy stick for you, but its taking me some work to get where I want to be with my semi-big bow...
Thanks!
Ryan
Post by: Dsturgisjr on January 27, 2005, 09:26:00 AM
Are you shooting your buff bow bare fingered? I don't know how you guys do that.
Post by: Ryan Rothhaar on January 27, 2005, 01:31:00 PM
Yup, bare fingered...you just need to grin and bear it! After about 15 years you dont feel it anymore.. :)
Post by: Stykbowslim on January 27, 2005, 02:48:00 PM
...bare fingers... damn, that hurts.
Post by: Extremist on January 29, 2005, 04:28:00 AM
Post by: Thunderbow on January 29, 2005, 10:53:00 PM
Post by: Extremist on January 30, 2005, 01:26:00 AM
Post by: Al Kidner on January 30, 2005, 01:54:00 AM
As always, Al in Oz. :wavey:
Post by: Rick McGowan on January 30, 2005, 10:27:00 PM
Post by: Dsturgisjr on January 30, 2005, 11:28:00 PM
Ryan, Shot through my chrono today. Broadhead arrow weighed 1060. Talked to Ken Beck; he said my bow probably weighed 79 - 80# at 27". Average speed with fingers (and yes, a tab) was 152. I can draw longer, but seems to pull me out of line and accuracy suffers. I'm sure it would shoot a little better through the machine, but who knows how good my chrono is. Bottom line is the bow shoots great, arrows fly awesome and if I do my part I can really hit good with this set up.
Rick, Can't wait to get together over there. I'm way too excited for this stage of the game. Let me know when you get home. Denny
Post by: Ryan Rothhaar on January 31, 2005, 07:30:00 AM
About the bare fingers shooting....we DO cheat a little on that-we use 2 nocking points and nock between them then triple serve the string for a couple inches above, and about 3 inches below the nocking points to beef up the string some. I used to use a Black Widow tab, but Jim Emerson's black lab ate it when I was 12 and I never got another one. Plenty of feeling left in the fingers, but I get a callous on my ring finger that I could probably put a match out on without feeling it!
I was fooling around shooting some fresh steer leg-bone assemblies I got from the butcher yesterday. I was really impressed with what a 1000 grain arrow going 162 FPS will do to bone! I can also tell you I've figured out a way to bend a Grizzly 160gr broadhead into a "U" on bone, too LOL. I think I was really doing a "test to fail" situation with that leg bone, though. One thing that was interesting, even when shot pretty much straight on into the bones that were 2.5 inches in diameter, the arrow would take off a chunk, and glance around the bone, still giving good penetration into the bale behind albeit at a bit of an angle. I can see where a 2-blade is a real advantage in that type of situation to be able to glance around the bone rather than get stuck in.
later, guys
Ryan
Post by: Stykbowslim on January 31, 2005, 08:25:00 AM
Info....
Anyway, talking about heavy arrows... a couple of months ago, I was playing around with adding weight to an Axis 300 shaft. I inserted a piece of coated wire rope (from a dog cable), into the shaft and with a 260gr. Grizzly (a 160, plus 100gr. steel adapter), on the business end, I believe the total arrow weight was up around 1100 grains @ 29.5 inches.
Post by: Rick McGowan on January 31, 2005, 11:25:00 AM
It sounds like your bow is going to work fine, Monty's bow was shooting at 142fps.
Post by: donb on January 31, 2005, 07:31:00 PM
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Post by: Ryan Rothhaar on February 02, 2005, 06:41:00 AM
Ryan
Post by: arrowlad on February 02, 2005, 09:04:00 AM
Post by: Rick McGowan on February 02, 2005, 09:15:00 PM
Arrowlad, we had one bull last year shot 6 times with a .375 and 5 times with a .416 mag. and he was trying to get up and at the hunters until the last shot and that isn't unusual. The outfitter where I go, told me that as a last resort when the gun is empty to throw the gun at the far side of the buffs head and then duck under the horn on the other side and he wasn't joking.
Post by: Ben Maher on February 08, 2005, 06:16:00 AM
Post by: Thunderbow on February 08, 2005, 06:38:00 AM
That's good! If you're happy with your Hills, shoot your Hills. Ain't nothin wrong with that. I'll save my envy for you. I don't own a Hill longbow. Much rather own a Hill than BW or Adcock..MHO
Post by: Thunderbow on February 08, 2005, 06:40:00 AM
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Post by: Mooseman on February 22, 2005, 02:11:00 PM
I wish all of you an unforgettable hunt with fantastic adventures to tell us about. Just reading about your prep work gets one excited.
Stay save and don't forget that putting your head in the sand will not make that buff go away. It didn't work on bears either.
Darryl - They have a remote control for them cameras nowadays.
Michael
Post by: herb haines on February 24, 2005, 08:40:00 PM
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Post by: Basalt on March 03, 2005, 01:27:00 AM
Some of my guys are starting to have Buff nightmares but I keep telling them that we have lots of trees. Out of interest what ammo were you guys running through the .416 & .375 was it a H&H Rick? My first guys come in at the end of June. The father's shooting a compound and the son's shooting a 80lb "Checkmate" longbow. He's been keeping an eye on here for good arrow info which there is plenty of. I think he's going to shoot the heavy "Grizzlystiks" tipped with Grizzly broadheads. Ed from "Grizzlystik" is booked in August and will no doubt give 'em a workout then. They have not had a lot of rain so far up in the Territory from all reports so I would think we might be in for a good year hunting wise. [but it's still early I guess.] Anyway Rick he's to a good hunting season and lets hope all the Buff play fair!
Post by: LBR on March 08, 2005, 01:46:00 AM
Chad
Post by: Rick McGowan on March 08, 2005, 09:30:00 AM
Post by: Extremist on March 11, 2005, 05:12:00 AM
P.S. it will shoot any .458 Win Mag round, I just used the Hornady round to provide the needed adjustment data.
Post by: Bowhunter4life on March 17, 2005, 09:03:00 AM
I've got a one-piece, 62", 78# @ 29" ACS. I'm shooting 31" Goldtip Big Game 100+ shafts weighted to 800 grains. 175 grain tip, and 280 grains of Goldtip weights behind the point. It is a tack driver! I haven't ran it though a chrono, but at a little over 10 grains per pound I would say it is in the mid 190's. It is faster than my "eye" is used to seeing with most of my bows. Mid 170's is where my eye is really calibrated to, I.E., I shoot high at longer distances until I adjust to the speed.
They are awesome bows, and I'm on the list for a 3-piece ACS-CX. Hoping to get two sets of limbs for it, one 65# @ 29", and the other 80# @ 29". But I know for a fact that O.L. doesn't like to make the heavier draw weights. Hurt his shoulder making the one I've got now.
I'm planning on going after Brown Bear in AK after I graduate from Vet School in '08. That is why I bought and shoot the bow I have now, and am looking to get the extra set of CX limbs. But, a Buff hunt would be a thrill too! I'm jealous and happy for your opportunity to have this adventure.
Post by: Basalt on March 24, 2005, 01:15:00 AM
Chad, no worries mate I'll let you know how the Checkmate goes.
Rick,that sounds the same as what Dr.Ed and all the other experienced Cape/Water Buff guys say. WE've got both .375 H&H and .458 in camp. The wheelie bow boys are hard to convince that it's not just speed that kills, in our camp as well.Anyway Rick, good hunting and Denny, bust a big fella mate.
Post by: Ryan Rothhaar on March 24, 2005, 10:23:00 AM
I checked out your website--nice buff pics!! Good reference pics of water buffalo are hard to come by. How are things looking for the fall hunt? You mentioned earlier it was pretty dry. Last I heard I will be the first one in camp with Rick, so maybe they'll still be fat, dumb, and dopey from the big feed! Only 50 days 'till I'll be in the bush-cant wait.
Ryan
Post by: Rick McGowan on March 24, 2005, 11:39:00 AM
Post by: Basalt on March 30, 2005, 07:56:00 AM
Ryan have a great hunt mate!! I must tell you though I haven't seen too many Dumb and Dopey Buffalo in my travels, hey Rick.
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