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Main Boards => Dangerous Game => Topic started by: pokeanhope on January 06, 2010, 05:39:00 PM
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I am going on a hog hunt in march and i have 2 bows, One is a 55lb bear , the other is a 45 browing wasp. I can shoot the wasp a WHOLE lot better becouse i am over bowed with the bear. I shot a 612grain arrow out of the wasp. Im just huting ferrial hogs, not russian boars or anything.
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pick your shots carefully and don't shoot too high......put it in the pocket of the leg/chest and you will be fine.......get your broadheads scary sharp too......
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I was thinking 15yr max
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on a smaller pig, say up to 100 pounds...I have had no problems with sheild penetration at all....however...a few years ago, I shot a large boar(estimated 250+) .....I hit a bit high and only got six inches penetration....he broke off arrow and the next day I saw the hog running down the same trail following a sow.....bow was 52lbs. at 27" and shot was only nine yards......I could not beleive how tough he was.........
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What do you think about only taking quatering away shots? TO slip an arrow up behind the ribs?
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Get a nice cut on contact head that is very sharp. Remember on a hog that vitals are low and forward. The lungs are behind the shoulder almost completely. With the compounds I shoot, I will pin the shoulders together. Most hogs die in sight.
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pokeanhope i would avoid the quarting away shot if i were you.The arrow has to travel a long ways to get to the vitals.I have tried it twice with light weight bows and i will not do it again.The vitals are basically behind the sholders and that is a long way for the arrow to travel.
The sheild that everyone worrys about can be a problem but not as much as some think.
Actually if you shoot low tight behind the shoulder where the vitals are you will miss most of the sheild anyway.
talco
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Brandon,
At your age if you would shoot that Bear daily between now and March, you should be able to handle shooting it. I know a lot of folks on this site believe a 10# increase is hard to make in a short time, But at 21 years old, it is not a big jump. Just shoot it and practice drawing and holding and within a month you should be fine. Then you won't have to worry about being under bowed.
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I agree with Harold i think with little work and shoot you will have not problem shooting the Bear. Your muscle with develop quickly after a month of shooting.
Im 22 and i shoot bows 63lbs to 73lbs for hunting.
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Well i got a sting for another 55lb bow of mine and indian archery warrior, and I purchused a new 50lb long bow so these will be the two bows I plan to take, thanks for all the help guys. The problem with my bear is I have a bad target panic problem, and my bow stacks, and it makes it worse, its not holding the bow back thats the problem, its me wanting to relese at befor my anchor. But I have been shooting my 50lb longbow fine now and my warrior, so tomorow I will try the bear and see it the panic issue is gone. Thanx again for all your advice guys.
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Minimal exercise will get you safely within purposeful draw parameters within 2 weeks. Given the choice, its always best to opt for the most draw you can handle when hunting tough game. 40# will kill a hog. 55# will dramatically increase penetration. PM sent.
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There is a difference between saying 'shoulder' and 'shoulder blade'. I think distinctions should be made.
Vitals ARE behind/under the front shoulder, ...but not necessarily behind/under the shoulder BLADE. LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE OF A HOG AND YOU WILL SEE WHERE THE VITALS REALLY ARE....and the are not ALL low. They are at an angle and tricky. A 'low' shot a bit back can be all guts...but that same shot a few inches higher can double lung them. Again, LOOK at the vitals offered on this site. Link provided at the end of this post.
Also, you aren't going to get away from the shield on some boars just by shooting quartering away as the shield extends behinds the shoulder as well over the ribs. You also can shoot a hog much further forward than most think when they are broadside. If they are quarteing away, try not to shoot too far forward as you might exit the front of the chest and have a long one lung train that may lead to nothing. See the video in the link below as well.
40 is not too light for MOST hogs, but is to light for some (Large and Shielded) IMO unless you make an absolute perfect shot, and we all know that's not guaranteed. Hogs move a lot also, making shot placement less guaranteed. Also, large sows can have shields as well.
Click Here and you be the judge on what you should and shouldn\\'t shoot. (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=10;t=000279)
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I will be heading to GA with poke on the hog hunt...I will be taking a BP Rogue and my Zona CUstom...both will be 55lb bows and i feel VERY confident with my ben pearson right now!!
shooting 2 blade heads, buzzcuts on the Zona, and Magnus screw ins on the Rogue!!
Hopefully hogs will fall to our arrows!!
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Originally posted by Terry Green:
There is a difference between saying 'shoulder' and 'shoulder blade'. I think distinctions should be made.
Vitals ARE behind/under the front shoulder, ...but not necessarily behind/under the shoulder BLADE. LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE OF A HOG AND YOU WILL SEE WHERE THE VITALS REALLY ARE....and the are not ALL low. They are at an angle and tricky. A 'low' shot a bit back can be all guts...but that same shot a few inches higher can double lung them. Again, LOOK at the vitals offered on this site. Link provided at the end of this post.
Also, you aren't going to get away from the shield on some boars just by shooting quartering away as the shield extends behinds the shoulder as well over the ribs. You also can shoot a hog much further forward than most think when they are broadside. If they are quarteing away, try not to shoot too far forward as you might exit the front of the chest and have a long one lung train that may lead to nothing. See the video in the link below as well.
40 is not too light for MOST hogs, but is to light for some (Large and Shielded) IMO unless you make an absolute perfect shot, and we all know that's not guaranteed. Hogs move a lot also, making shot placement less guaranteed. Also, large sows can have shields as well.
Click Here and you be the judge on what you should and shouldn\\'t shoot. (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=10;t=000279)
Solid advice!
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i'd do some pushups and shoot lots of arrows and tune the heavier bow imo
if that's not possible go hunting with the lighter bow and have fun!
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http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=084174
Knowing where the vitals are is more important.
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i have and old indian archery recurve , that my brother shot for awhile, it was a 62 # he shot it very well, even though hes 14 just goes to show all you have to do is practice :)
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I shot a 200# boar a few days ago at 8yrds. The shot was slightly quartering away. I was about 1in high and 2in back from the heart. Long story short 600 yrds later the small blood trail ran out and we figured out that i got just enough penetration to get barely thru the shield. My bow is 43 lbs and I was shooting woodsmen broadheads that were insanely sharp. If you are going to shoot " trophy hogs" go with the heavier bow. If you are going to shoot "hogs" 150# or less get a 2 blade broad head ie grizzly single bevels ect and practice till you split hairs. If you take the lighter bow be picky about the shot and the hog. Have fun
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just pick your shot, best to hit the hog going away so you can tuck the arrow angle between the legs
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I just came back from a hog hunt and learned first hands HOGS ARE TOUGH ... I killed the first one I shot, a slight quartering away shot but only had about 12" of penetration. I was shooting a 55# ACS LB and 540 grn arrows with 2 blade heads.
The second one I shot broadside, it was a big one, I hit the shoulder and shield getting about 4 " of penetration. I shot a 570 grn arrow on that one ...
Study Terry's shooting diagram and be patient and pick good shots. HOGS ARE TOUGH
GOOD LUCK and have fun
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Hey, the little ones eat better anyway :)
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Coaster, you're right! I have no desire to shoot a big ugly tusker (unless it's just 'cause they're so darn ugly ;) I much prefer the pigs around 100#. They are real good eating.
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I've shot a few big boars but I like smelling the Bacon Frying not the Boar .... 60 to 100#s are perfect and a whole lot easier to get back to the truck :)
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I agree that smaller boars are good eating...but dont' think I'm not gonna shoot a blockhead if he shows!!!
They make a lot of sausage if they aren't rank. :campfire:
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well, how did you do o your hunt with the lighter bow?
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I would think 40#s would work for a hog.
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Even if you just take 20 shots a day with the 55# bow you will be able to handle it easily with in a couple weeks. Make sure you get your shoulder low and protected and use good back tension, you will like it a lot more.
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That old Indian bow (depending on it's condition) can still get the job done. I have a 45lb Warrior that I bought in 1968. It was in my closet at my Mom's house for 30 years. I checked the limbs and replaced the string and it still shoots well, just not as well as my Jay St Charles Thunderbird.
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I think 40lbs would be fine as long as: 1)it is a small to medium size hog, 2) an appropriate distance, and 3) great shot placement.
I shot a 70lb hog at about 20 yards with a 53lb longbow and it went straight through. I think 40lbs would do the job.
Matthew
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Shot placement is what kills. I would be shooting at least 600 grain arrows and keeping my shots at 15 yards or less. That is what we have set up for the wife to hunt elk with and I have no doubt she will get sufficient penetration.
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This is one of the best pictorials I have seen demonstrating the vitals location on a hog:
Wild Boar Anatomy (http://www.texasboars.com/anatomy.html)
The pictures take you through, on a real hog, layer by layer to the vitals.
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i know some people wont like this but oh well.
My wife shot a sow that was 500lbs with a 38lb@28" longbow she draws it 25" so about 32lbs at her draw.
it took two shots from her Whisperstick voodoo stik she was shooting cedar arrows full length and 125gr magnus 2blades that where surgical sharp her first shot was at about 15 yds. she got about 6 inches of penetration and got one lung and part of the heart she got up on it again and put another arrow into it and got one lung again with a quartering away shot 8 inches of penetration the first shot would have done it and the cavity was completely full of blood when we opened it
I would not have shot the pig with that bow but she did and I was right there to help her after she got it I had a back up bow 57lb morrison for backup if it did not go well.
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Originally posted by robslifts:
i know some people wont like this but oh well.
Why not????
Tell her CONGRATS!!!!.....now show us the pics. :readit:
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Congrats to her! Its all about shot placement for sure...i watched jan hill shoot thru a hog in georgia with either a 35 or 40lb(im pretty sure 35lb)and the hog didnt go 15'....i also watched a friend of mine shoot one at 10 yards or so with his 81@29" and didnt penetrate past the ferrule.
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500 #s??? Did you actually weigh it?
Congrats to your wife..let's see a pic.
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i will try to get a pic its been a few years it was a pretty awesome thing
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(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u190/robslifts/donnapig2.jpg)
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wow..... great pig
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Yeah.....nice hog for sure...
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Here here for the bear. Shoot as much as possible and you'll shoot the heavier bow with ease.
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I 100% agree with tony. It can be done... I've seen it first hand. Pick your shots carefully and get your broadhead scary sharp (sharper than you knives, Think Razor blade sharpness). Don't go to far into the quartering away shot as it will narrow the shot window and run the risk of perforating the guts. Also, if you use 4 blades go get some 2 blades.
TBRA
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Can my wife come take lessons from your wife? :clapper:
Allan
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That is one big hog. I'll bet the backstraps weighed 20lbs!
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After successful kills with a 45# longbow and some mixed results with a 60# recurve I learned how much difference it makes if your rig is "tuned" a well cast arrow from a 45# bow will out penetrate an improperly spined one out of a 60#er. I am a huge fan of "Bare shaft" tuning and its effect on penetration on pigs, which are usually at very close range, before a poorly tuned arrow can get all of its grains lined up straight.
Wes
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My boys both shot hogs at Ray's last may, close range, pass thru and both are getting under #40 lbs at their draw length. Shot placement is very important! One bleed like a, well, stuck hog! The other had tissue plug the exit hole...no blood! Oh No! but a good loud death crash and good mark by Luke helped us find it in the dark. 60 yards away maybe. The Bleeder dropped in 15 yds.
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Yes, it can be done and was done in the exact right spot. But this rig would not even come close to penetrate a shield. I also see that this is more of a feral hog, compared to a Russian boar. I would not try it with such a light rig on a Russian boar.
Her first shot was probably good enough, because she got the heart. But pigs can go a long way on only one lung and you don't always get a second shot. Don't get me wrong, I am fine with women trying to participate in our lifestyle, but 32#@25" is a little on the very weak side. In southern TX that hog would probably never been found in the thick brush with 6" penetration and the arrow plugging the hole.... So I consider her very lucky, but I would not promote those bow/arrow combination on pigs that size...period.
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Shoot what you can comfortably shoot accurately. I slueced a 185# sow this winter shooting a BW PCH @44# and a Zwickey 200gr. 2 blade. One shot quartering away went 30 yards and it was over.
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Might want to leave the big boars alone.
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Ask Rod Jenkins. The two hogs he had posted on here a couple weeks ago were huge. I believe he said he shot completely through the one and the other I thought he said he hit the opposite shoulder. 40lb bow.
Good advice Terry on the shot placement!!
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I want to kill a hog so bad I could scream! But I would have to travel quite a ways, but I am going to just have to do it this year.
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I you miss with a light bow you don't stand much of a chance. However, hit "the spot" with a good angle, sharp broadhead, and straight flying arrow and you'll be good to go. I've shot a 45# bow thru a 170 lb sow. Arrow enterend the at last rib and poked out the base of the neck 8 inches. Plenty o punch.
Good luck out there.
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I think 40lbs would be ok for most hogs except the big boars. If you are lucky you will penetrate to the vitals and the arrow will hit on all the brush and trees and cut him up big time. I saw this happen on a 130lb boar with a 40lb bow. The arrows were around 550 grains.