Trad Gang
Main Boards => Dangerous Game => Topic started by: beaver#1 on March 16, 2010, 04:00:00 PM
-
when did feral hogs become dangerous game? is it anything over a certain weight? what makes them them more dangerous than a pissy moose.
-
I dont put them in the true "Dangerous Game" category.
I have been charged by a few pigs though, they can be dangerous.
Sure are awesome to hunt though.
-
yes, i like to hunt them too.
-
Yeah I've always wondered that as well, although they can be dangerous if cornered or penned up with a dog, but spot and stalk hunting they just want to get out of there. Of course a big boar tending a sow can get ornary, but I don't think I would classify them as dangerous game when compared to some other species!
-
I think you might want to watch Pig Bomb on Discovery Channel. Large Boars can be dangerous. Also look at the thread on PowWow about a ganger getting knocked down. Lots of people have been hurt by hogs. In Europe the hunters and woodsmen avoid the Russian Boars whenver they can.
I would say anything over 200 lbs would qualify as dangerous. They weigh enough and have long enough teeth to take you down. Not mention if you were alone the pig would be likely to eat you after the get done stomping you into the mud.
Is it likely that the average pig will attack you? Not so much, is it possible that a big boar or sow will come after you, yes it is. The bigger they are the meaner they get. A 400lb or bigger male is dangerous no matter how you look at it. I wouldn't rate them with water buffallo or lions. I would rate large males as equal with Moose for agressiveness.
-
i am a feral swine specialist for the texas wildlife services, i have killed literally thousands of hogs. i have had only one try to get me and that was after i wounded it. you cant take everything on discovery channel as fact(most of the time thier facts are wrong) and yes they can be very dangerous in certain cases, but with most they want to stay away from you . i just dont see them as a aniaml that is mean.
-
I'm waiting for some Aussies to chime in here. There's a fair few of them with some nasty scars on their legs. If I have my facts straight, a friend of mine over there has twice spent several weeks in the hospital after being ripped up by a boar.
The last one laid in wait for him after he shot it. He followed it, and came to a place where he needed to walk across a log to cross a gully. The boar was hidden, waiting for him in the gully and took him down after he crossed the log. If I remember right, that one cost him two or three weeks in the hospital.
I once had a big boar come after me in California, and I had to fight him off with my longbow, which I used like a spear to keep him off of me. If I had been shooting a recurve, I think I'd have a few big scars now myself. The tip of an 80-pound longbow make's a pretty fair defensive weapon in a pinch.
-
beaver#1,
I have to agree with you that Discovery is not always correct, but when a sherrif was saved by his dog from an unprovoked attack it is pretty telling. As you mentioned it is when you wound them that they can get agressive. Any wounded animal can be dangerous. Russian boar strains are a lot more agressive than wild pigs which makes them more dangerous as well.
-
Considered "Dangerous Game"...not hardly, not me.
Any animal we hunt can be "dangerous" at times.
But that title should be saved for the "Big 5", Grizz/Brown/Polar bears, and the like....Those are DANGEROUS critters!!
-
my point exactly
-
I tend to err on the side of caution . certainly the big 5 are " dangerous game " but here in Oz with so many pigs and pig hunters about , pigs should , i think rightfully be considered if not " dangerous game " , at the very least dangerous .
granted any animal can potentially be dangerous , but i believe pigs are just plain ol' better at being ' dangerous ' than most criters we are likely to come across in the bush . A sow around her young should always be treated with respect . A friend of my fathers , once a game warden in Africa and well respected old school bushman , once ended up with a couple of hundred stitches courtesy of an angry sow and was only saved his own life due to the Australian flying doctor service and a three barrelled drilling .
Not every pig will attack... far from it and very rarely ... but any animal that can tear 2 80kg large mastiff crossX dogs , bred purely for Pig Hunting by Australian professional pig hunters into shreds [ rather common occurance over here ] and walk away unscathed is surely deserving of respect , if not the title of dangerous .
i have been genuinely charged twice by swine . two of those times i was unconcerned ... the second time ended , luckily for me, on the end of Puma bowie . i remember the event rather fondly , if only for it being the close shave with a mouthful of tusk that could so easily have been life threatening .
Buffalo they ain't ... but for me ...they are my "dangerous game " .
Ben
-
Rik is leaving out a few details. I was in the vicinity, as they say.
Seems he put the sneak on a sleeping pig on a hillside, couldn't figure north from east and shot it in the arse. Pig took exception to the bother, jumpt up and the call to "loose the hounds" echoed from the hillside across the way. Mad dog pursuit and mad pig quandry resulted in an empty quiver and a pig looking for relief from torment. Rik, being primary tormentor, turned into focal point of pig aggression and subsequent dancing with the stars moment.
Rik is kind of a drama queen and since he can still type with both hands, the outcome is obvious.
My story, on the other hand, has real merit. I'm pretty sure this is somewhere in the tradgang archives.
We were hunting down in south Texas on a friends place, something we do infrequently but enough times to kill the winter blues from Idaho. I had just finished up a blown stalk on some pigs and went to find John, who was sitting on a feeder they use down there to bring pigs in, and he said he hit a small one in the guts. The phrase "a little far back" is what most bowhunters use. We followed the trail it went down and actually found quite a bit of blood. Not to give up on good sign, we got into a few acres of wolf brush, they call it, and it is a few tunnels of pig trails with the brush about waist high. John eventually found his arrow. It was sticking out into a trail, but had a rhythm to it. Up and down. He said "There is my arrow, but I can't see the pig" and I said step off to the side and shoot it again right where the arrow is. Well, the pig didn't like the irritation any and made a run at John, who promptly fell over backwards, out of sight. I was in the trail a few feet away, and the pig adjusted his focus and came down the trail I was on and hit me on the knees. Of course I went over backwards. Pig then backed up and tried to get by me one more time, but I was too quick and kicked him in the head whereupon he bit a hole in my left boot and got on top of me like an old girlfriend back in the sixties at a drive in movie. Eventually he moved on and I was covered in blood, but it was all pig blood and my shooting glove to this day is still stained brown. We called it a morning, went and got breakfast with our friends, came back later and the pig was sill alive and charged one more time. In the end it was a 125 pound black boar.
Before we left Texas, we stopped for breakfast in a nearby town, and the waitress asked "Are you the Idaho folks who the pig got?"
-
i guess when you grow up hunting and living with its a bit different. thanx for everyones input
-
Ya just about everything we hunt can be considered somewhat dangerous
But hogs don't fit in the proper "Dangerous game"
Everyone that has hunted pigs enough has a healthy respect for them absolutely!, but nothing in comparison to Water Buff or Lion
have a lion in front of you crouched down ears laid back, tail whipping around, growling...
Then your talking "Dangerous Game"
I watched a video the other day of a PH getting mauled by a Leopard, only on him for seconds and WOW! this being a family site we'l leave it at that.
-
Mark's got it right, I snuck up on that boar, picked my spot, and put the arrow right there,, unfortunately the spot I picked was not the shoulder, but square in the middle of the arse, as the pig was facing the opposite direction. Uh-oh!
The only thing he left out was that while I was sneaking in on the pig in my stocking feet, I came "this close" to putting my foot down on a coiled-up sleeping rattle snake. I am not sure if my eyes were more bugged out when I stopped my foot several inches from the snake of when the pig asked me if I wanted to dance.
That was one exciting day.
-
A big feral hog will bust you up first, then eat you. That's dangerous to me.
-
I nearly got wrecked by a spike whitetail that wasn't yet dead when I grabbed it by the antler. I have had some interesting experiences with hogs in thick cover too. Anything you hunt can hurt you one way or another. When I hear dangerous game, though,I think Big 5 and big bears.
-
In my years as a swine herdsman, butcher, and bowhunter of hogs I have never seen anything that makes me believe they are any more dangerous than a whitetail deer. Having said that, at Pig Gig # 4 a couple weeks ago my wife made a successful stalk on a medium bedded boar and was subsequantly charged twice for her trouble. I have had them bluff, but they always chicken out.
-
Plenty of hunters here in Australia have been mauled / ripped up by wild boars. Most you will find are either doggers (use dogs to locate and hold pig until it can be dispatched with a knife) or those who have chased a wounded pig until it eventually stop's and stands it ground.
However I have watched while a sow in a swamp walked straight out of the swamp and to my mate some 80+ meters away and proceeded to try and touch him up all the while he was swing his compound bow at her until she had had enough.
Needless to say myself and another hunter who were watching from the comfort of the car had a good old laugh.
Any animal can inflict some type of wound so all should be treated with that in mind.
-
I have a mate, Tony "Dances-With-Boars" Jensen, who seems to enjoy the occasional Cranky Boar Waltz.
I think the really big boys are potentially dangerous, but usually not. All the sows with suckers that I've encountered here in the NT have all chosen to err on the side of caution rather than gallantry.
-
This is the chap that had Tony dancing his finest hot-shoe-shuffle:
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l164/b_kleinig/Tonys2ndTradPig.jpg)
This is why many of us Aussies believe in slightly more than 50# of bow, and heavy arrows.
-
I don't consider feral hogs "dangerous game" per se, but they can surely hurt you!
I think a lot of feral hog "charges" is just the hog running your direction (not necessarily coming for you, although that happens now and again).Just about every hog guide I've met has a few scars.
Russian boars I do consider dangerous game. A couple of months ago my buddy went on a hunt to Ted Nugent's ranch(high fenced) in Michigan. His buddy was treed by a boar that hadn't even been shot at! It just saw him stalking another hog and charged him!
Another friend once had to run from a feral sow with young.
-
Any one here know who Billy Baker was?
If not, check out the Australian Bowhunter's Hall of Fame.
I remember one hunt with Bill and his mate Brad Kane deep in the Idaho back country. We had a bit of, shall we say, "an adventure," and that got Brad and Bill to telling stories around the campfire about bad things happening in the Outback.
Well, in one of the tales, seems Bill was hunting the tall grass with two mates, one of whom was a rather large, strong, kill-you-in-a-bar-fight type of guy.
So, said guy shoots a boar, follows it into the "LONG GRASS" to finish it off. Trouble is, the boar has already laid his trap. He hit the guy, knocks him flat, and proceeds to rip the ____ out of his adversary.
Long story short, one long, sharp tusk slices the scrotum wide open and "the boys" come falling out. They are still attached, just hanging free, if you know what I mean.
So, Billy and his friend save the day, save the bowhunter, and get him back to the Ute. Off they go, toward the hospital, several hours away on dirt roads.
Aussies to the core, the two un-injured Aussies try to comfort their, shall we say, "rather large mate," who is cradling "the boys" in his hands as they bump over the rough Outback dirt road toward the hospital.
They are joking, as only Aussies can, about the dire straights, and how funny that is, that their mate is in. If you could joke about one of your best friends getting his jewels ripped wide open, you can imagine how much fun that could be!
Well, about a half hour into the drive, their mate, who, as I mentioned before, is a kill-you-in-a-bar-fight type of guy, quietly tells them basically, and if I can remember Billy's words:
" you mates had best shut the F--- up."
Dead silence all the way from there to the hospital, where, I am happy to report, the boys were happily restored to their rightful place.
Their mate, however, would be mortified by how hard Brad and Bill were laughing while they told this story, high up in the Rocky Mountains in the deep and steep Idaho elk country.
Yeah, I admit it, I was laughing too. Or, as they say in Oz, "Laughing me arse off!
Big boars, dangerous? Nah, they are as tame as kittens!
(I only hope I have that same view as I return from a full month of hunting The Cape this July.)
-
Rik I was fortunate enough to have spent many a night listening to many stories inc the one you mentioned from one of OZ's great bow hunters!
Have you read his book?
Never underestimate game animals
-
I don't know if hogs are considered dangerous or not, I know a lot more folks that have been hurt by them than deer though....and its fine to talk about them on this forum.
I'd like to know more about Bill Bakers book...like where can you get it and the title?
-
I dont know if they have ever been designated "Dangerous Game" but they sure can be dangerous when wounded!
-
His book is called "Born to the Bow" I will let you know where you can purchase it.
A Great read
-
G'day fella's,
For those that are keen on ordering Bill's book... Yes there are still some books available. Just send cheque or cash for $30 (includes postage) to 9/22 Thurlow St, Newmarket, QLD, 4051, Australia. Put a small note inside that your after a book of Bill's and make sure there is a return address to somewhere.
Your book will be sent out asap from here in aussie. I just got in contact with James Baker, Bill's son who looks after the sale of whats left of these collectors items now.
Cheers,
ak.
P.S, still miss yah Bill, and Brad is still a crappy shot!
-
WHO do I make the check out to?
Is $30 US funds OK?
I need a copy of that book!!!
Thanks,
-
I have a lease in Archer City, TX where monsterquest was looking for the next hogzilla, we have way too many hogs there according to the local ranchers. We have hunted many hogs day and night with no attacks yet,not an outright dangerous animal, but the beast sure do provide some good stories
-
I grew up with hogs in east Texas. The russian breed, not feral pigs. They are a blast to hunt, great to eat, but just like any other animal only dangerous when provoked.
I would be way more scarred of a Bull moose than a hog. I don't care if a hog will eat me afterwards, because I would be dead by then.
-
I got knocked ass over tea kettle a couple of nights ago. Heres what I sent to my dad the same night:
Had an exciting evening chasing pigs. Got knocked on my ass by a 150-180 pound sow. Was sitting in clump of brush on one of rogers feeders and she came in directly behind me. I could hear a step, stop, step step stop. Thought it was a deer coming in. Finally saw her out of the corner of my eye and she was all of 2-3 feet away. Could have poked her in the ass with my broadhead. She either saw me, smelled me or that piggy sixth sense kicked in and she turned hard right and jumped into the same clump of brush I was in.I'm trying to get turned to get my feet in front of me as she gets her head stuck in the legs of my little chair.I've got one hand on her neck trying to keep her off of me. Chairs coming off the ground with me still in it. I'm kicking and screaming like a little girl. I somehow end up about 5 feet from where I started looking upside down on my back at the ass end of a fast departing pig...... Chairs another 20 feet beyond me. My butt pack and quiver are another 10 feet down the trail......Guess the pig got her feet caught up in all that on the way thru. I have no idea.... At any rate, I figure that with all that noise my evenings up but I stuck around just to ssee what else would happen.... Right at dark one of those big boars, remember the ones we saw when we were moving in here? big, black, nuts like grapefuit? don't give a damn big boars? Had a shot, But not after all the excitement.... LOL No damage done. but I think I'm gonna start sitting in a tree stand..... :-)
Dangerous game? naaaa. Worthy of respect? YES
-
Cool experience, Swampdrummer! Good on ya!
-
Swampdrummer, Now that's funny!!! :laughing:
-
There's lots of good hog charges on you-tube if you haven't seen them, my friend in Texas makes me take a .44 when i bowhunt on his land because he's had a few incidents, but i wouldn't let someone follow me around with a rifle on a hog hunt. (As opposed to a Griz hunt)
-
When I was 17 (20 years ago - wow that's gone fast)
My friend and I where out hunting (with wheelie bows - oh the shame) and my friend stuck an arrow in a mid size boar's butt.
The way this boar exploded (and treed both of us) I'd consider them dangerous game.
We spent 20 minutes up our respective trees, with both our bows (and attached quivers) lying on the ground some good feet away while this damn thing circled us like a porcine land shark...
-
More hunters are harmed by deer than hogs. Any large wild animal can be a danger to humans given the right set of circumstances-we are easy game when unarmed.
-
Originally posted by Guru:
Considered "Dangerous Game"...not hardly, not me.
Any animal we hunt can be "dangerous" at times.
But that title should be saved for the "Big 5", Grizz/Brown/Polar bears, and the like....Those are DANGEROUS critters!!
I'm sure they think the same of you Curt.... ;)
-
Originally posted by Bjorn:
More hunters are harmed by deer than hogs. Any large wild animal can be a danger to humans given the right set of circumstances-we are easy game when unarmed.
Where did you get that information?
If that is true....we either need to include deer in this forum....or no more hog chat here.
Also, I'd like to learn more about deer attacks so I'll know what to look out for. I've never even remotely been even 'challenged' by a deer, and I don't know one single person that has been hurt by a deer, and I know a lot of deer hunters. I have been challenged several times and charged twice by hogs. I also know a few people with scars from hogs....and I don't know as many hog hunters as I do deer hunters.
Can you tell me where you got that info?
Thanks.
-
I know of three direct deer attacks on humans. All three were very large-near B&C bucks, One was a pen deer, one in the bluff/farm country of southern WI, and the last was along the brule river UP/WI border big woods. All three involved fit woodsman who have taken more than one big buck, all three occured in early November in areas of little/no bow pressure. All three occured the week before gun season. One occured in the 1980s, two occured in the 1970s. The north woods buck chased the guy onto his logging skidder and followed the skidder out to the stub road banging his B&C clean 8X8 rack against the tires. This guy once tracked what was at one time the #12 non ntypical B&C, over 30 miles in snow over two days (1967 I think) That buck finally turned and faced him on a frozen lake, but was promptly dispaced with the lever .35 rem at first opportunity. He said the buck chasing the skidder was bigger in body and rack than the B@C #12, and that buck was a very lean 300# whole on the butchers scale. This guy spends his life in the woods and knows big woods whitetail probably as good as the Benoits. The second wild instance was his nephew, huge buck came at him in the predawn darkness as he started to climb his tree (before use of manufactured tree stands, he was climbing a big oak to sit on a limb)he shimmied up 10 feet to the first good limb, bow still on the ground watching the huge 10 pt circle the tree shaking his head for 30 min after it was light enough to see. These guys have reported Mountain lions for 20 years in WI, and many thought them nuts. Well even Chicago news crews have now filmed cougers in the wild in WI. When I posted I thought hogs were no more dangerous than whitetails, I never said they may not come after you. My best friend is a doctor in WV and fellow ranger. His ranger buddy is also now a doctor working in Texas. He reports having to sew up the results from hog encounters on several occasions. IMHO deer car collision fatalities would tip the scale making whitetails the cause of more fatalities than hogs, but that is a different discussion.
-
Yeah, well,
I guess if you've never fought a boar off with the end of your longbow, or if you've never been charged by boars for no reason whatsoever, you might think boars aren't a tad bit dangerous.
If you have never experienced either of those things, I am guessing you hunt east of the Rockies.
Farther east than California, and WAY, WAY farther east than the Northern Territory of Australia.
If that's the case, head west man, head west.
Sneak up on a big northern California boar with more Russian blood in him than Feral, and you may get a real awakening.
I will share one story with you. Someone else will need to share the next.
In the middle of our winter (early March) I drove with some friends from Idaho to Northern California, which took about 16 hours. It was spring there, prime time for boar hunting.
We set up our camp, and off we went. Several days later, no one had seen a pig. Seems we timed it wrong.
A day or so later, the last day before we had to drive back north to the snow country, the sun was beginning to set to the west. I was sitting on a high, wet, grassy hillside, all alone, glassing for pigs until my eyes were almost bleeding.
Then, a long ways below me I heard it, two boars fighting. Unmistakeable.
I ran downhill as fast as I could, and about fifteen minutes later, I stopped, listened, and there they were----a herd of 15 to 30, walking quickly from my left to my right, about 25 yards below me. I had about four minutes of shooting light left in the darkening sky.
Two boars were in the group, and they were ripping the hell out of each other. Nasty running gun battle, and the blood was flowing.
. . . in my veins as well as the two fighting boars.
I had to squint to see well enough to shoot, and the two fighting boars were 15 yards too far away to shoot at in this light, so I picked a smaller boar that was in good shooting range, drew back, aimed tight, aimed some more, then sent a heavy arrow through his lungs as he trotted along with the herd. The sound of the hit was unmistakeable.
30 minutes later, I set up the tripod in the dark to take some still photographs, and in the process, I heard the two boars once again fighting, and they were coming my way in complete blackness. I put the camera down, switched on my flashlight, and there there were, 15 yards away across a small creek (right behind the boar in the attached photo).
Both boars stopped, looked at me, and charged immediately. I was already jumping back when I realized the rushing creek had stopped them. A minute or so later, they again started laying hooks into each other and moved off down hill in full battle.
Whew!
I finished taking the pictures, then gutted and started skinning the boar I had shot.
Oh? What's that I hear? Two boars fighting their way towards me, this time on my side of the creek. THIS TIME I put a large fallen redwood tree trunk between myself and the approaching fight, and when they were about 10 yards away, I turned on the flashlight. Again, they stopped, then both charged. The only thing that stopped them was the huge Redwood tree trunk I was standing (er, well, cowering) behind.
As you can see in the photo, it was pitch black, and I can assure you if I had not had a fast-running creek, or a huge Redwood tree trunk to stop them, these two mostly Russian Californian boars in full fight mode would have left more than a few marks on me.
I had done nothing to provoke them, other than being on their mountain.
That's one incident, it's someone else's turn now.
P.S. Large California Russian-mixed boars are as different from the smaller typical southern feral boars as zoo-raised grizzly bears are from high-mountain grizzly bears.
There's a big difference, but you've got to experience it to know it. Go west man, go west.
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/Rikhinton/2003_Boar.jpg)
-
Are feral hogs dangerous? Sure! Even a squirrel is dangerous if you stuff him in your pants.
It all depends on the circumstances. Corner a hog, where through you is the only way out, you better look out. Are there pigs wandering around in the scrub brush looking for people to attack, no.
There was a gentleman near where I used to live who was killed by his penned deer. Yes, I know, in a pen. Like I said it all depends on the circumstances.
If we go into the woods looking to poke something with a sharp stick, we shouldn't be suprised if they want to poke us back. Just need to be aware of what's going on and keep our wits about us. I figure there are just as many "It came after me" stories as there are "saw one and it kept on going" stories.
OkKeith
-
Other then the actual predators (lion, bears, wolves, etc...) I think feral hogs and wild boar are the most dangerous. I have to admit this is just from my reading (not real world) but they seem very aggressive and I have seen a domestic hog pull a goat under a fence and eat it while it was still alive and saw that same hog chase a teenaged girl out of the pen after taking a couple of snaps at her.
-
Nah, you guys are all wrong. No one in their right might thinks a big angry boar could be dangerous.
This photo of a friend of a friend in Australia shows that that wild boars are just like big loveable puppies. They couldn't hurt a fly.
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/Rikhinton/big_Weipa_Boar.jpg)
-
Its pretty simple really, as a Game animal that is dangerous...yes Absolutely, right up there compared to most game in certain circumstances!
But as far is fitting in the "Dangerous Game" Category
such as Lion, Leopard, Buffalo, hippo, elephant, Grizz, Polar bear
..No
-
Guess it depends on your perspective. I don't think jumping out of airplanes is dangerous, neither is riding a Harley in DC traffic. If you are used to something it just seems normal. Now being a single man on the dating scene....VERY dangerous...;-)
-
Rik,
that is one cool experience, I guess I have been lucky so far as the hogs we have gone after have had a way out other than through me. We did have an experience were my son missed his shot and mine grazed the pigs front leg. this pig cricled and came in twice before he made his exit.
-
Mike....I'm use to hog hunting, and its normal, and I respect them. Never worry about whitetails charging me.
-
Terry
I probably should respect them more. My closest encounter was at FT Stewart in 98. We would do 12 mile road marchs down the tank trails. At the turn around point we would place a junior NCO in a HMMWV with a radio. I was getting reports of a boar chasing the troops. Good intel!! I went after that raascal!! One evening 3 sows with piglets were feeding along the edge of the trail right at dark at the turn around point. Out of the palmettos about 100 yards out came a thin but old black boar with long cutters. He saw me right off on the elavated tank trail and started right for me growling and popping his teeth and shaking his head. I kept sneaking towards him with a snuffer tipped nitro stinger on the string(your recommend, if you remember) Well he kept coming and I kept coming....we got about 20 yards and I was hoping he would keep coming until I had a shot..at about 18yds I still only had head, and a lightbulb went on in his head. I swear his expression changed when he figured out I was not running and was about ready to give him a snuffer from my 77# Ferguson. He wheeled and made it the 100 yards faster than a spooked whitetail. I was REALLY dissapointed he did not try me out, I would have stuck him at point blank range. I guess he was used to the troops running when he postured. One thing life on the farm taught, when you act like your are in charge, the animals think you are in charge. Act afraid or run when challenged, the animal will know they are in charge.
-
Michael thanks for your service. We wouldn't be able to do all this trad stuff if it werent for people like you. God bless
-
I hear ya Mike....I've had my share of 'Mexican stand offs' as well.
I respect them more when its a big boar I've slipped up on in his sanctuary. I've been within 5-10 yards of a half dozen at least that were cussing me out, and I couldn't even see them, just the trees and bushes shaking.
Haven't had one break toward me yet, but I'm fully considering that they could at any moment.
It is a fun rush for sure....just be careful out there. I know another guy(non-hunter) that got treed in an apple orchard by a huge boar, and he got tired of waiting for it to leave and finally shot it with his pistol.
-
Back when I was younger and into the Ninja craze, I'd dress head to toe in ninja gear, get on all fours, grunt and crawl in amongst 'em with my $5 "Rambo" knife mom bought for me off TV. Never did connect but got OH so close. Dang they're quick!
-
Yep...if a human will walk on all fours, and 'graze' at an angle tacking like a sail boat he can get real close to a lot of animals.
-
HA!....I knew that hogs were considered 'small game' in GA.....just I just leaned Turkeys were 'Big Game'.....TOO FUNNY
Maybe we should add turkeys as dangerous game. :biglaugh:
-
Hey Terry,
You better watch out for those "Killer Gobblers"!
Some of those dudes can get ya. Pretty interesting thread.
OkKeith
-
I shot a boar last Friday and as I was crawling around following the blood trail I ran across these guys. Although I wouldn't classify hogs as dangerous game, had I picked one of these little guys up and made it squeal It would have probably made for a long night.
(http://i1038.photobucket.com/albums/a463/jcbowhunts/1273021171.jpg)
-
I was at Bob Wesley's this week and he showed me some video of a hog hunt. The hog charged him 3 times and ran into him twice (once injuring his leg) and you could tell by the reaction of the cameraman (he ran away twice) there was some tension in the air.
-
Fellow Northwest Bowhunter,
Oh Mannnnn! I have that same video. Bob sent it to me way, way back when I was publishing Instinctive Archer Magazine. A helluva hunt, eh?
That little video clip probably has a lot to do with why I am going to spend a full month in far northern Australia this summer, living in a small tent and hunting big, bruiser boars with heavy wood arrows.
I blame Bob. I would have been a normal, sane elk hunter totally content to limit myself to the Rocky Mountains if not for him sending me that video clip years ago. Been a big-boar addict ever since.
(Not to mention a Hill-bow fanatic)
-
Fellow Northwest Bowhunter,
Oh Mannnnn! I have that same video. Bob sent it to me way, way back when I was publishing Instinctive Archer Magazine. A helluva hunt, eh?
That little video clip probably has a lot to do with why I am going to spend a full month in far northern Australia this summer, living in a small tent and hunting big, bruiser boars with heavy wood arrows.
I blame Bob. I would have been a normal, sane elk hunter totally content to limit myself to the Rocky Mountains if not for him sending me that video clip years ago. Been a big-boar addict ever since.
(Not to mention a Hill-bow fanatic)
-
Derned double posts!
They're almost as bad as a boar that charges twice. Three times? Ooooh, not much fun there. . . been there, done that.
-
Originally posted by Rik:
Fellow Northwest Bowhunter,
That little video clip probably has a lot to do with why I am going to spend a full month in far northern Australia this summer, living in a small tent and hunting big, bruiser boars with heavy wood arrows.
I blame Bob. I would have been a normal, sane elk hunter totally content to limit myself to the Rocky Mountains if not for him sending me that video clip years ago. Been a big-boar addict ever since.
(Not to mention a Hill-bow fanatic)
You have a good life my friend, I am with you as I am hoping after I meet a couple Trad gang members we are going to scout some southern Oregon hog hunting sites and hope to get a steady supply of fairly free pork.
Bob loves hog hunting above nearly everything else and it is for the excitement of it. I can hardly wait and envvy you for the trip you are making. Good luck and bring back stories!!!
-
Five weeks man, five weeks and I'll be climbing the steps on the first plane.
Three long days later I will finally land in Weipa.
From there, well, let's just say. . . Australia time is way slower than Mexico time, if you get my drift.
Big boars are prime on the menu, as are Marlin, barramundi, goats (the tasty ones), and whatever the winds lead me to.
Hmmmm. . . I wonder if a 75-pound Hill can put down a scrubber?
. . . Time will tell, time will tell. . .
-
Rik...75# Hill or Sunset Hill for that matter will be more than ample for a scrubby...
Enjoy our fish , watch out for the crocs and snakes and remember that big Pigs only count when shot with wood arrows!!!
hehehe
looking foward to you posting pics when you get back ...
Ps I'm In Idaho this sept [area 2 and 21a ] .....
Ben
-
I think there are probably only 2 or 3 animals on Earth a 75# Hill might be underbowed for.
I can hardly wait to read about your adventures.
-
Ric, three days to get there? Better plan on four or five. Or did you forget the last time?
The incident with the bag of broadheads in the carry on backpack. Remember?
The incident with the leatherman tool in the carry on backpack. Remember?
The incident at customs with exotic wood. Remember?
All the wasted time we spent in airports came about because of Ric getting strip searched. He evidently fits the profile of some terrorist. Security zero's in on him like a dingo on a wallaby.
-
Here's the mileage chart for where Rik is going. In kilometers, of course.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/aerohawk1/P8160151.jpg)
It's shaped almost like Idaho.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/aerohawk1/P8220189.jpg)
-
Mark,
No worries this time Mate. I've changed my middle name to Muhammed, that way they will know for sure not to "profile" me.
You forgot to mention when they confiscated my ultralight collapsible fishing pole. Apparently it was a highly dangerous weapon capable of incredible mass destruction.
Ah. . . this is all bringing back some good memories. I wonder if they still brew cold, frosty XXXX down there. . .
-
Hey Terry,
Outdoor Life Aug 2010 issue, just received it, has an article about whitetail attacks including a man who was killed in 07 in Georgia.
-
They can be dangerous. This guy got knocked down and cut from his neck clear to the top of his scalp with one tusk swipe!
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o203/Apex-Predator/VictimofHogAttack.jpg)
-
That looks like it hurt. Did he get the hog?
-
I haven't seen this but I know guys who use dogs that have had to stich more than one dog on the tailgate.
-
Yeah, they shot the hog. It was a dog hunting thing, and this guy was the least experienced one in the group. He thought he could hold down a 300# boar by himself.
-
That gives a whole new meaning to stupid hurts! Moral of that story. Shoot em, don't tackle them!
-
As the Duke said...
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
-
That fellers lucky to be alive. What if the cut had started 6 inches lower.RC
-
This is from one of the lads In Australia who had an encounter with a Hog last week, Hog's dangerous game Yep.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/2piggy/WarraHuntingJuly2010037.jpg)
You can read the story here
http://www.aussiebowhunter.com/showthread.php?t=29527
-
"Tis Meerly a Flesh Wound!"
I might have to buy some Kevlar pants for our trip to Oz next year. That would put a damper on a hunting trip.
-
Originally posted by Ragnarok Forge:
"Tis Meerly a Flesh Wound!"
I might have to buy some Kevlar pants for our trip to Oz next year. That would put a damper on a hunting trip.
You"ll be right mate, its not the wound you have to worry about it's the possibility of infection, some years back a young fella had to have a leg amputated due to the infection from an attack by a pig.
-
Piggy's right..it is the infection that will do you in . Chewing on carrion gives a good chance to carry lots of great lil' friends around. And if you are chasing them up far north Australia its about as geographically isolated as you can get . But its all about the adventure eh !
Clay ... they don't attack that much, but when they do you just have to be careful.I figure if you can guys can live with bears that'll climb a tree , you should be ok with a measly 200kg tusker! I'm always more concerned about sows with little ones than I am about solitary boars .
-
Originally posted by tradtusker:
Not Sure
I dont put them in the "Dangerous Game" category.
Sure are awesome to hunt though.
That's probably cuz you've never been treed by one.... :goldtooth:
-
I am looking forward to the chance to stalk and stick a sharp arrow in a few of them. Bears can be dangerous. I chase them every year on the ground so hog should be a fun challenge.
-
Mate you will be OK considering the number of people who hunt pigs compared to the number of people who actually get nailed (injured) buy one in percentage terms would be quite low.
Any animal can be dangerous given the right circumstances.
Hope you have a great time while in OZ.
Where are you going?
-
In the last few years two of my hunting mates have at least twice being bowled over by NT Boars (Northern Australia). Fortunately only their pride that took some bashing. I have myself came very closed to being attacked by a rather large sow that was guarding her babies.I had to shoot it under 10 yards when it came charging straight at me.
-
They may not be considered dangerous but a 300 pounder came close to eating my lunch and no he wasn't injured.
-
Nasty buggers the lot of em. I've never been opened by one but don't have enough digits to count the close calls.
-
enjoyed the stories. I live in Thailand and have read stories from "tracks of the intruder" by Gordon Young who hunting here in the 1950s. He talked about coming across a tribal man that was torn to shreds by one. Gordon was also "hunted" by a boar that he was tracking and almost got it by him. One thing he said was that they were very smart. I think the true wild boars that were here more commonly before were a different animal then the ones in the woods now (I confirmed they were feral from the eye tooth present behind the tusk of a couple of skulls I have seen).
-
Guar, great to see you on here, always love the insight you bring. How was the wet season?
-
Hi Lucas,
Its been raining a lot. Broke my toe (almost ripped it off) playing soccer with the kids barefoot and so its been a while since I've make it out to the woods with my bow but hope to get out soon.
Randy
-
I know more people who have been attacked by whitetail bucks in the wild than have been attacked by wild pigs in the wild.
-
I know a half dozen folks with scars from hogs.....but not one person attacked by a deer.
I can't figure out how there's even an argument over deer vs hogs.
-
Forget about the boars - this is the story I want to hear!
:goldtooth:
Originally posted by OkKeith:
Even a squirrel is dangerous if you stuff him in your pants.
OkKeith
-
Originally posted by MajorJim:
Forget about the boars - this is the story I want to hear!
:goldtooth:
Originally posted by OkKeith:
Even a squirrel is dangerous if you stuff him in your pants.
OkKeith
[/b]
Not if you knock it's teeth out first. :D It must have been really cold to stick one of those bushy rats down your pants.
-
Originally posted by Ragnarok Forge:
I think you might want to watch Pig Bomb on Discovery Channel. Large Boars can be dangerous. Also look at the thread on PowWow about a ganger getting knocked down. Lots of people have been hurt by hogs. In Europe the hunters and woodsmen avoid the Russian Boars whenver they can.
I would say anything over 200 lbs would qualify as dangerous. They weigh enough and have long enough teeth to take you down. Not mention if you were alone the pig would be likely to eat you after the get done stomping you into the mud.
Is it likely that the average pig will attack you? Not so much, is it possible that a big boar or sow will come after you, yes it is. The bigger they are the meaner they get. A 400lb or bigger male is dangerous no matter how you look at it. I wouldn't rate them with water buffallo or lions. I would rate large males as equal with Moose for agressiveness.
Is that the one that culminated with the prediction that we will soon see a superpig? Their conclusion at the end of the show was that there would be a 6 foot tall, 1,500 pound pig with 5 foot tusks that could run 60 mph.
This was the most inaccurate pile of rubbish I've ever seen on TV. It was hilarious for its complete lack of any scientific basis and failure to use any kind of realistic or well thought out methods.
My favorite part was when they saw the little russian boar, then had an "expert" draw a behemoth of a 5 foot pig behind a set of eyes which was about 12" off the ground! lol
-
My vote? Only if wounded and cornered or harassed by dogs. Like most NA game animals, hogs want nothing to do with humans and do their best to stay well out of your way.
-
I've hunted and killed enough hogs to know that they are no more dangerous than my wife when pissed off. You got to be smart enough to know when to leave well enough alone. :nono:
-
Originally posted by Bill Turner:
I've hunted and killed enough hogs to know that they are no more dangerous than my wife when pissed off. You got to be smart enough to know when to leave well enough alone. :nono:
hahah funny and accurate
-
Originally posted by Bill Turner:
I've hunted and killed enough hogs to know that they are no more dangerous than my wife when pissed off. You got to be smart enough to know when to leave well enough alone. :nono:
If yours is anything like mine, that IS dangerous!
Hogs are omivoires. They start life as food for other species. But as they grow, they eat carrion, and then can graduate to taking prey. But at some point, some of them can turn into the biggest SOB in the valley. If you run into one that has become an apex aminal of its realm, they can be very dangerous. Especially one that trips from a flight to a fight response. But we are talking BIG.
Not saying they are going to hunt humans, but they can become very territorial. Those that have been aound people seem to keep their healthy fear of man.
Sows with piglets can get an attitude. We had one charge and butt our truck at night as we rolled up into a field.
Most of the ones that I have hunted were under 300 pounds, and only one turned to stand his ground following a short chase after being ventilated with 3 lung shots from a .45-70.
I have never run into anything over about 375 pounds, but they are out there.
-
My wife shot a 250lb boar hog thru both lungs and he ran about 10 yards stopped and broke the arrow off with his teeth then turned to charge her but he dropped before she could get another arrow in him. I was 75 yards away and heard the shot and then the hog clacking his teeth, when I got there it was all over.
-
I hunt hogs several times a week, archery hunts for clients, and have to say that most uninjured hogs just want to get out of the area when confronted by humans. An injured hog can be extremly dangerous when being tracked. The big ones can get plain nasty real fast, if precautions are taken a hog hunt is not all that dangerous. The blood trailing is the tricky part, best done with a good flashlight and big bore handgun.
-
Fun to hunt, can be dangerous in the right situation, but definitly not "Dangerous Game"
-
I have to have a little fun with one of my best buds who posted on page 1......
Did you run or not since your 1st post on this thread???? :campfire:
-
I have no idea what yur talkin' about :dunno:
-
I hunt pigs in east texas on a daily basis. I have had them tree me, charge me, and even take me down. They can be very dangerous if you are not careful. 99% will run but there's that one that wont. A sow with pigs is very dangerous if you crowd her and the pigs. I'm not saying to be afraid just be cautious. Respect them. You never know what they will do. I even shot one boar that ran into the brush and waited on me to come look. He just had to have that one last shot. :archer2:
-
Curt,....let me refresh your memory.....
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k209/rickybob_2006/P1010446.jpg)
-
A hunt none of us will ever forget bud...hog fight #2!!!
I'm up for hog fight #3....you?
-
So reading all this. Would you guys put them up with game like black bears or mountain lion? Can be nasty but really takes a special animal to be really dangerous?
-
Originally posted by borderlander:
So reading all this. Would you guys put them up with game like black bears or mountain lion? Can be nasty but really takes a special animal to be really dangerous?
I'd be a lot more scared of an angry bear or lion than a hog.
I'd say more in the category of pissed off dairy cow, only smaller. You don't wana get kicked or bit or run over. That's about the worst that can happen.
-
One of our TG Brothers, Sam Stephens, told me about an "interesting" hog hunt where the charge left Sam with a broken leg and a dead pig close at hand.
-
Hey Terry, I saw where you thought deer were not dangerous. When I was about 5 I had a great uncle get killed by a deer. He shot it and went down to gut it, well it was not dead. It kicked and the hoaf caught him in the head (you could see the print) and killed him. Freak accident but his bother found him laying dead on top of the dead deer. Food for thought. Any wonded animal is dangerous! Make sure they are dead.
-
As was stated above..any wounded animal can be dangerous, even a raccoon or squirrel. The odds of something bad happening with a hog vs a mountain lion or bear are slim at best.
-
I consider them dangerous. I was charged by a sow with piglet on a hunt.
-
eny thing that comes after you, can be dangerous.
-
Originally posted by rastaman:
As was stated above..any wounded animal can be dangerous, even a raccoon or squirrel. The odds of something bad happening with a hog vs a mountain lion or bear are slim at best.
I hear ya Randy....but let me ask you this....
How many folks do you know that were injured or kill by a lion or bear?
How many folks do you know that have been cut by hogs?
I know a lot of folks that have been hurt by hogs, and some of those the hog was not injured.
See what I mean?....I bear hunt but never been chased by a bear, but I have been charged twice by hogs. I've also never been charged by a coon or squirrel.
Remember Barry Wensels incident with those hogs? He ended up in a prickly pear ...with a broke arm.
-
Originally posted by Tyler2045:
Hey Terry, I saw where you thought deer were not dangerous. When I was about 5 I had a great uncle get killed by a deer. He shot it and went down to gut it, well it was not dead. It kicked and the hoaf caught him in the head (you could see the print) and killed him. Freak accident but his bother found him laying dead on top of the dead deer. Food for thought. Any wonded animal is dangerous! Make sure they are dead.
Yeah Tyler....freak accident....not a malicious intent of the animal, nor attack...just the animal railing as it lay dieing.
-
A hog can be scary to the extent that if they watch you shoot them it's possible they might charge- hogs, like deer and people and every other mammal I know all display different personalities.
I've seen great big bucks be submissive with smaller bucks, and I see other big bucks kick the snot out of all others big and small.
I've seen great big hogs run like a scalded dog at the mere sight of me, and others stand their ground, snorting and head bobbing at me, and coming toward me.
I've only been charged twice in a lot of years- once by a 40 lber who got mad cause I ran his girlfriends off...and by a 130-140 lb sow that had been shot twice by another hunter (poorly) so when I shot her she was looking at me and instantly thought she knew where all her troubles emenated from and charged me- head butting me....long story why I was down at her level to start with but regardless..it was interesting.
I don't generally consider hogs dangerous unless you're hemming them up with dogs- which I don't do- but there's always the odd chance something will go wrong.
That's why its exciting, don't you know?
-
if it can charge/hurt you, it's dangerous... obviously not bear dangerous, but a pig will mess you up if it gets ahold of you.
-
Bob Wesley told me about a hog hunt where his guide had 2 dogs maimed for life before Bob could get off his first shot. On a later hunt he had a hog charge him 3 different times. In Hunting the hard way Howard Hill talks about going out to a California island to hunt hogs and he indicated tehy were charging and injuring people.
-
I consider wild hogs as potentially dangerous as black bear; or even more so. The dangerous ones are determined by personality, more so than size. When struck with an arrow, most often they will light a shuck, but you must also be aware that the odd one will turn and sort you out, you just never know which one that will be. I try to make a mental note of a low branched tree close by if still hunting when possible, but any type of obstacle to step behind is good as they will seldom turn back on you and will continue in the same direction if unable to hook you.
-
One thing that i think a lot of us forget is how intelligent hogs are so much so that they have personalities. Nine times out of ten they are just like any other wild animal, they just don't want to be in the same place you are and will get the heck out of dodge. Some can be just plane mean, some can just be having a bad day and will look for a fight. How many other animals when hit by an arrow will spin around and try to find out where it came from looking for retaliation? Are they lions, no, are they cape buffalo, no. Even after 35 some odd years of chasing them i still watch my back.
-
To each his own , I do a lot of hog hunting ,truth be told I hunt hogs almost every week if Im home here in Texas. I have been charged many times over the years , I have been cut 3 times , and both bones in my left leg were broken by a boar. I have been up several trees with a mad hog under me wanting a piece of my hide. Most hogs were wounded ( the one that broke my leg was not , after the fact he was ).Hogs aint no pushovers in my book and when push comes to shove they will shove. Maybe I just hunt to much and put myself in the wrong place at the right time..........
,,,Sam,,,
-
I was charged this year by the only hog i ever shot. and that was a muzzy moment i will not forget!
-
...great lessons for sure... Nothing as dramatic but I was charged by a woodchuck and had another play dead and snap at me when I poked at him with stick...grabbed that stick and chewed it badly...glad it wasn't my finger...
-
Got charged twice last week. Guess we just have some mean ole boars down here hahaha
-
Most will run away as fast as their fat legs will go.
That being said I have had one or two take a disliking to my scent and come looking for me. Maybe they thought I was after their " Ladies "...lol
The only time I got a little scared was walking in from my stand in the dark and had one VERY close grunting and stomping but I could not see the rascal
-
Originally posted by Guru:
Considered "Dangerous Game"...not hardly, not me.
Any animal we hunt can be "dangerous" at times.
But that title should be saved for the "Big 5", Grizz/Brown/Polar bears, and the like....Those are DANGEROUS critters!!
agreed
I love hog hunting and didnt see much about it until I opened dangerous game. who would have thought it ?!
-
I can tell you first hand how dangerous hogs are.
I remember about 18 years ago shooting a wild pig (in the North West of Western Australia) at close range (within 15 meters) in the chest with a shotgun, using a 12 gauge solid slug.
I figured a 1oz solid slug at close range would be ample to drop a feral pig... I was definitely wrong on this occasion!
I hit it, but instead of dropping, it turned and came at me.
Luckily a friend of mine had his .30-06 loaded and ready, and managed to shoot it in the head before it got to me.
Stretched out it was about 7'.
Unfortunately I had no way to weigh it, so I can't tell you how heavy it was. But it was bloody heavy... Decent set of tusks on it too!
If it got to me before my friend shot it, I doubt I'd be here to tell the tale... I'm pretty sure I had to change my underwear after that encounter too! :eek: :scared:
-
I've been charged 3 times....the 1st one I side stepped....the 2nd two I paralized with shots just past the jaw into the spine....one was a buiser. My friend Curt Cabrera put another arrow into him as he was convulsing.....
I'll see if I can find a pic.
-
1st charger....
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/solana2011curtshooters1.JPG)
-
2nd Charger.....
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/Solanaborecharge2.jpg)
-
For dangerous game with a bow, the issue is are you going to do it with the bow. If you are shooting dangerous game, but you are cut out of the solution if the animal gets uppity, then it may be dangerous game for someone, you might even get hurt, but you aren't expected to be in on the solution. Hogs seems decent in the sense that whether backed or not, you could still be the solution in a charge, or whatever.
-
I have only had one frightening encounter with a pig. As a youngster, while walking to my deer stand, I got between a sow and her pigs. One of the little ones squealed, and Mama instantly charged. I don't if the attack was serious or not, because I climbed my scrawny butt up a tree.
Terry, I had a friend once who was attacked by a deer. He killed it and it tested out to be diseased with something or other. This guy is a very reliable fellow and has probably hunted in more areas of the world than most of us will see so I really don't think he was just telling a story. Nonetheless, though, does anybody know of a deer disease that might bring on this behavior?
-
I hear ya Sam, I just know folks that have been charged by hogs, me included, but no one by a deer, and I know lot more deer hunters than hog hunters and don't recall stories here on Tradgang other than this thread.
-
I have hunted hogs for 45 years and have killed my fair share up close. Never had one charge.
-
I have hunted hogs for 45 years and have killed my fair share up close. Never had one charge.