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Main Boards => Dangerous Game => Topic started by: Michael Arnette on June 12, 2010, 01:39:00 PM
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Just curious if water buffalo are native or introduced to Australia?
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They were introduced in the early 1800's from Indonesia?
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every game animal we have here is not native. except for the dingo.
same in NZ. their biggest land mammal before white man was a seal.
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Come on Clint, we do get whale strandings quite a lot ya' know,,,,LOL.
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One more thing, you only hunt non-native animals with archery gear in Australia, native animals are off-limits.
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Unfortunately crocks are! recent fishery stats in Qld seem a little disingenuous @ 2000 in the whole state. We are still spluttering with mirth, figure they lost a couple zeros. Not sure of the regional or state regs on roos but 100 odd mls inland from the coast they can be had in number. I'm sure some of my compatriots can enlighten further. On a lighter note most marsupials and bigger lizards have terrible eye sight and can be snuck up on with patience, when frightened a goanna will often scurry up the nearest tall object which could be u. We thought they were attacking us as kids but worked out the ones of that fell over, in the mad rush were left alone.
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Originally posted by ozy clint:
[QB] every game animal we have here is not native. except for the dingo.
Clint I know there is two school of thought Re Dingo's but I was under the impression they were introduced to Australia some 15,000 years ago by Koori people.
That's why in some states it's legal to hunt them.
Mind you having been here that long you would think they would be classified as native.
Cheers Mate
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I knew that the roos and such couldn't be bowhunted (but can be rifle culled?) but the goannas can't be bowhunted either?
Lucas
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The dingo is really our first feral animal, and together with the folks that brought it over long ago helped wipe-out some of our unique ancients. In most places they can be hunted; here in the Territory, dingos cannot be shot, only poisoned (you don't have to be in government to be stupid, but it sure helps). However, in the Territory, we can shoot wild dogs, and with the proliferation of camp (Aboriginal Community) dogs, much cross-breeding takes place. Other silly sources say that the only pure dingos left are on Fraser Island, so if those scientists are correct, then any dog in the Territory is fair game. I've never seen a dingo in the Territory anyway... only wild dogs.
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I can't shoot goannas, but my Aborigine mate can and does. So, I have eaten bow-shot goanna.
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All right, I'll bite. What's a Goanna?
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piggy- yeah i know the dingo thing is the way it is.
badger55- goanna's are a ferocious, man eating lizard about 3' feet long. ben did the right thing and ate it 1st. good to hear your allright ben. dangerous things those goannas...LOL
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Plenty of Dingo left in the Western Desert... For some reason interbreeding is not that prevalent. The Dingo's tend to make a meal of the camp dogs out here if they can.
Clint, I reckon that a big Goanna would get the better of most people if they could only catch it with their bare hands and not use cool things like bows. I have seen some that are the size of a small crocodile!
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Too bad I would have liked to have hunted for a perentie.
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badger55
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badger55 this is a goana (sand monitor) this is one of two that hang around camp in Cape York it is about a Yard long and will remove your fingers if it bites you or give you a nasty whip with its tail
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/2piggy/allsorts078.jpg)
Cheers
Paul
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i, too have enjoyed goanna quite a few times , also procured by an Aboriginal mate , during our l hunting trips ...good eating it was too.
We did have , however, a camp companion that joined us on all our bi annual hunts ... we call him Cameron the Camp goanna and he just hangs around camp waiting for scraps ... been there 10 years and whilst I haven't been to that camp for quite a while I'm pretty sure he is still there , waiting for the next tired Bowhunter to fall asleep without clearing his scraps from the dinner plates.....
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Ohhhh crap, I think I'm gonna choke out! You Aussies are W--a--y too funny.
I'm Headin' for a month of bowhunting on the cape in two weeks.
Damm:
1. I hope I made enough heavy fir arrows, and
2. If any of those goofy goannas try to climb my ass, they're going to have to eat the end of a 78-pound Hill bow first! (Plus, their ears will be spit from the sound of me screamin' like a scared Sheila!
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lets play spot the green ant nest.
you'll know what they look like rik after a fortnight on the cape. have you ever thrown your bow down and stripped off your clothes while hunting?? LOL you will.....
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Oh bloody 'ell, I think I'm in for it!
Haven't done any real "Streakin' since the 70s. Maybe I'd best start practicing. Look out Horseshoe Bend, here I come!
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Idaho Horseshoe Bend news ...
" Naked bowhunter runs through streets preparing to take on Aussie Green Ants "...
Rik...I'll wait to see it on Youtube .
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really, there is a green ants nest in the pic. rik you better learn what they look like so you know where the pain comes from....LOL
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Good spot Clint.
The thing behind the Goana which looks like a ball of leaves is actually a green ant's nest, if you get one on you and squash it it leaves a scent which attracts ALL the others and before you know it there everywhere! And the wasp nests that hang down, if you walk into one be ready to have the crap bitten out of you.
Oh year look out for the crocodiles, snakes and spiders we even have a bird eating spider in this country.
Rik who are you going with?
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Rik...another query...
are you going after Buff as well this trip or was those two monters from last trip enough for ya ?
I'll be waiting for pics of some good ol' raggedy and ornery scrub bulls taken with the Hill and Nate's bow ...
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originality post, by Ben ("you don't have to be in government to be stupid, but it sure helps"). That's the way, too good Ben!
In the 60's a couple school holidays were spent with my uncles on the hunt for the Tasy Tiger, I never saw one but they reckon they did. In the 70's there was the notorious Yowie,(Ozy Big foot) Don't know what they thought they'd do with it if they actually caught it but they couldn't drag me back for that excursion. More recently in the 90's some tourists have been bought to despair by tales of the ....pause for dramatic music...,dreaded drop bear.
If's a dang-gerous place alright!
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that nest is an old one. they are usually in trees and the leaves are still green. it must have fallen out of a tree.
basically you should think twice about coming over. too many dangerous things in the bush here. it's a wonder there's any aussies left!
:p
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basically you should think twice about coming over. too many dangerous things in the bush here. it's a wonder there's any aussies left!
:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
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Ozy Clint and Ben,
That is exactly the reason I am going over there armed with a heavy Hill bow and a small boatload of Douglas Fir arrows ------ Seems all those deadly critters have plumb-near wiped out the Aussie population and it's my civic duty to go over there and help what's left of the Aussies (heard there's only two or three ofyou left) thin out their feral pig population, plus catch and eat a barra or two. . . or three.
P.S. Have any of you seen this video/song about the friendly cuddly critters in Australia? It's a right catchy tune. . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNEeq5qGh8I
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Ok, I'll bite what is a drop bear?
I will take crocodiles, green ants, bird eating spiders, and poisonous snakes over roadside bombs, ambushes, and angry Arab's any day. I need to put some money together so I can come over to go Yowzie, Drop Bear, and Taz Tiger hunting. Throw in some scrub bull, a water buffallo and Goana for dinner, sounds like paradise to me.
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Good stuff Rik,
Perhaps the guiding operations should play that as a disclaimer ...
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Throatsremovis; (latin) DropBears vary from 3 to 5 feet in hight, but are extremely strong. They are covered in a dense fur, which can range from almost black to the Alpine Drop Bear's snowy white coat. They have broad shoulders and razor sharp claws on all four limbs. They are able to walk for short distances on two legs, but are much faster on all four, being capable of bursts of speed approaching 60 km/h at full gallop. Their heads are similar to those of koalas, but with pointed ears an enlarged canine teeth, not unlike those of bears or other carnivorous animals, DNA samples taken from victims show they are a step away from the evolution chain of Koalas, Wombats and Quolls ( native tiger cats). They’re not big enough to eat a whole human, though, and most victims of dropbear attacks survive, albeit so disfigured that they retreat from public view. There is speculation that Ned Kelly, the bushranger who always wore a bucket-like iron helmet, was a victim of a dropbear attack. Dropbears are a menace to campers, bushwalkers and cross-country skiers, but thankfully Vegemite repels them, if smeared thickly all over the body (under the clothes, if you are wearing clothes). That’s why Australians always carry a jar of Vegemite when we go abroad. It has nothing to do with wanting to eat the stuff, tasty though it is; we just don’t feel safe without it. That is the truth about dropbears.
As in the USA it is illegal to advertise the health benefits of a non-drug product, in Oz it is illegal to market protection products against "Creatures of plausible deniability". Go figure. So buy big jars and use it generously when u hunt here. especially applied liberally to the neck/throat area. Apparently aeroguard also works but the safety of the vitamin B content of vegemite is well documented.
The existence of several species of the Terrestrial Australian Dropbear are well known. However, some reports circulate of a recently evolved genus, the "Aquatic Dropbear". Australia loses a large number of citizens and visitors in our waters, which are well populated with crocodiles, blue-ringed octopi, deadly stonefish, sea snakes, box jellyfish and of course, many species of shark. Not to mention dangerous surf conditions, rip-tides and poorly managed dive trips. ....Shark nets have been erected at popular beaches, ostensibly to protect swimmers from sharks but the real reason is to prevent aquatic dropbears from mauling sharks which have become an endangered species since the recent evolution of this creature. The Aquatic Drop Bear, as its name suggests, feeds in and around bodies of water. Lakes, rivers, dams and the Australian coastal waters are home to this variety of Drop Bear. With webbed feet and an water-resistant coat similar to a seal, they are ideally suited to marine life, though still retain the unmistakable Drop Bear physique of four legs, broad shoulders and sharp claws and teeth. Aquatic Drop Bears have attacked canoeists, rafters, fisherman on the bank and in boats, sunbathers and swimmers. Cases such as these are often falsely reported by the media as crocodile or shark attacks, in an effort to avoid the mass hysteria which would almost definitely result from an admission that we have a Drop Bear problem. As a diver, hypoxic anomalies/visions (lack of oxygen to the brain) when deep diving can play havoc with the senses so I cannot swear to what menace I have seen but one cannot logically place the blame of those fatalities each year, associated with diving and or shallow water black out, to misadventure. I still have bad dreams!
There is much more information available from the following web site. http://www.cfr.com.au/dropbears/index.html
Interestingly as Spotted Quoll I have noted goannas of exceptional size in the Eastern Kimberlies spring country also large sand mound burrows and have seen them wandering their obvious territory very well fed.
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Sounds about right there Divecon very informative post
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Clay.... I'd be happy to host you mate. Free of charge of course. That includes hunting, spare room and tucker!
ak.
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Al,
That is an offer I will take you up on. Just have to get the wife out of college. We will start planning a trip to Oz for sure. A new country to visit, a fellow warrior to hunt with, Drop Bears, Taz Tigers, Snakes, pigs, buffalo, etc.... Sounds like my kind of trip!
Divecon 10. Thanks for the description. We have Sasquatch over here. Another plausibly deniable creature.
Quick story. I have spent most of my life enjoying the local woods and wilderness. I was spending a long weekend on a solo elk scouting trip in Indian Heavan here in Washington State. This area is noted in Indian Legend as being the stomping grounds of Sasquatch.
I am sitting by my fire enjoying the moonlit night when I hear a loud long scream from something. It's not a cougar, and they are the only thing that screams in these parts. The scream was about half a mile off. I heard it again but a bit closer, then 5 minutes later another scream very close.
At this point I walked over to the tree line and grabbed a small tree that had broken off during the winter. I drug it back to the fire and started cutting off limbs. I sharpened the tip to a point and stuck it in the fire to harden it a bit. I was loading more wood into the fire when I heard something large moving in the trees across the meadow. After a couple of minutes and another scream that set my hair on end, I saw a large shadow coming my way in the moonlight. I pulled the pike tip out of the fire and set my a foot on its base ready for trouble. The shadow moved into a brushline about 50 yards across the meadow and then everything went silent.
I never heard another sound, and did not sleep a wink that night. It was just me, the fire, and an improvised pike spending a long night keeping watch. I have never wanted an M-60 machine gun, two cans of ammo, and a claymore mine protected perimeter so bad in my entire life.
I have never seen anything move like that, or have such bulk. The largest bears in my area weight 400 to 500 lbs and those are rare. This thing was way heavier and to tall for a bear.
After daylight, I looked around and found where the grass in the meadow was disturbed but the ground was to dry to hold tracks. I spent that day scouting the immediate area and no elk were to be found. No fresh sign, nothing at all. I moved camp about 5 miles that afternoon and got onto elk the next day.
I chatted with a local tribe member about the experience. He told me that elk would flee any area where Sasquatel were roaming. He also stated that Sasquatel are spirit creatures and when that one saw me ready for a fight he moved out of sight and then drifted into the spirit world. Simply vanishing and leaving me with a warning to stay out of his home range.
I back pack and hunt in that same area on a regular basis. I now carry a large knife, medium weight tomahawk, and heavy caliber pistol with me on those trips. Not sure what the shadow was. I would love to see what made it during the day. Many legends are based in some bit of reality and this one is prevelant from indian pre-history to the present. Sasquatch, real or fiction? You have to decide. I know what I saw was no known animal from these parts!
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Clay...that is a great story ... its funny what you come across in the wild places . Round here we have a "black Panther " that seems to take livestock every now and again and can let loose the most insideous howl in the dead of night ...
the tomahawk sounds like a good idea !