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Main Boards => Dangerous Game => Topic started by: swampthing on August 22, 2010, 07:16:00 PM
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Who is getting "through" hog sheilds? Tried some 700g efoc carbons from 55# L.Bow.... not very deep I must say, maybe 800g from 60-65#'s next time around?
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What kind of broadheads are you using and do you have perfect flight? I've gotten through to the other side several times with a 600 efoc from a #45 bow. It may sound like a sales pitch but until I started using single bevel Grizzlys I wasn't getting that deep.
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Great flight, 190's also, sharp ones at that. Have no problem getting through the elboow pocket, just have yet to get through the shields.
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Look at this thread,I did learn a lot from reading the experiences from my fellow tradgangers :thumbsup:
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=091325#000000
Margly
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I shoot hogs with 3 and 4 blades riding on 585 grain arrows...no problem getting through shields at all from 60-70# bows. NONE, and most times get pass throughs.
55# bow and a 700 Grain arrow should work also with just about any reasonable head single or multi blade.....wonder if you have good arrow flight?...and how sharp are your heads...and are you really shooting 55#s or short drawing and shooting 48#s.
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Well shots were, close, at around 3yards, so arrow was not "straight... yet" but still 700+g efoc {CE Heritage 150's, 100g brass inserts, 100g BH adaptors sharp Griz El Grandes!} points hit with the B-heads at my point on- distance of 25yds, I was excited, so I was at FULL DRAW, I don't know I think I'll try something different next time around, 2 pigs both 300lb sows, so far not really impressed. Kind of frustrated a little, especially when I see my buddies blow through em with 400g carbons w/3blades from there compounds.
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I'd say the yardage may be a factor, at 9 feet you're likely still in paradox. Maybe just my experience but I've never shot a SOW with a shield.
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killed a 375# boar w/ 1 1/2" shields w/ a 44lb bow 565gr arrow and a 290gr lw tusker broadhead. Got an exit hole at 15yds.
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Are you guys doin this with one arrow? Mine looked like a pin-cushion.
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This SOW had a shield.....Ray Hammond has a pic of it somewhere on this site....he took that pic with his camera.
She was passed through with a Zwickey Delta 4 blade riding on a 630 grain Arrow Dynamics out of a 60# MOAB.
(http://tradgang.com/tg/hogs/sc4.jpg)
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I'll have to check that out, most of mine have been under or around the #200 mark, maybe they were just young.
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You would be surprized
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Low and tight to the elbow and you will shoot thru the bottom of the shield, hit a big hog high in the shoulder and you are in trouble for penetration and killing the animal. Much easier to shoot thru the lower portion of the shield and their vitals are very low and forward anyway!
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the shield on Terry's sow was as hard as any boar I've ever shot- and close to 3 inches thick- we had to actually make slicing cuts as we got to her shoulders on the inside of the hide, to get it to move down her body...it was literally like a solid wooden casing around her body.
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I have killed many hogs with a Hoyt 65lb compound bow, Beaman 340 arrows,with 100 grain Magnus Stinger 2 blade broadheads. Most were complete pass throughs.Best to shoot a hog as he is quartering away from you.The many that I have killed never went more than 25 yards.I think that it is a myth about how tuff they are. In Texas I know guys that hunt them with 22 caliber pistols with no problem.It is where you shoot them.Behind the shoulder or behind the ear.
A 40 lb recurve will do the job with a sharp broadhead if you hit him in the right spot.
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Key words "if you hit'em right" Curious as to how much horsepower it takes to get through the hard part, 600g arrow going......x amount of fps? 65# draw, 75#'s...I might just have to pull out the Hickory shafts glue up the EL Grandes and let loose from 75#'s to stop all this nonsense.
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I shoot light poundage 50 with arrows in the 400 grain range and never had a problem with hogs or elk?
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Just a reminder.....on some hogs, the right spot is a very small spot if you don't haven enough stuff...
Click Here (http://www.tradgang.com/videos/tg/hog1.wmv)
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GOOD FILM CLIP TERRY
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Terry and Ray, that is an interesting sow you killed.. I have killed and been in on the killing and catching of many a hog down here in the coastal bend and thus far have not seen a sow with a shield.. Just curious, have either of you ever seen another like the one you have in the picture? I think that old witch was a hermaphrodite!
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I have seen several like that, Pat....interestingly, all of those sows seem to have never dropped a litter.
Their bellies are as flat as a pancake....and don't show any sign of ever having little ones like most sows seem to show.
I'm no scientist but maybe they are flawed in some way reproductively? I've never raised pigs, but have to guess that out of a huge population there have to be some born that cannot bear young, just as in humans?
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A little bit late,but I guess the arrow is too weak,400grs up front on a 150 with 55#!You don't say what is your draw and arrow lenght but it really looks too weak.
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56# @28" arrow was 28.75" those carbon stiffen quite rapidly as you shorten them.
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Pat,
A new friend of mine, who worked for 30 years in a slaughterhouse tells me that for every thousand hogs there are several which are for all intents and purposes "hermaphrodites" in the sense that they have both male and female organs.
These sows will have a small 'set' buried up inside....instead of the outside like a male.
They are incapable of breeding and do have enough testosterone to act like a male in many respects.
Interesting, huh?
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Yup, so what does it take to get wood arrows to plow through?
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Sorry,but I am still thinking you are way too weak with your set up.
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The bow is a Hill, cut "before" center.
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Guys, I have killed maybe 10-12 hogs with a bow to include a 300lbs boar. All with a bow and believe it or not a muzzy 125grain head. I have used a 50 lbs recurve and a 65lb compound. These hogs are all feral in Georgia, but I have never had a problem with penetration. I have never had to track a hog more than 40 yards. If you put the arrow in the right spot they will die quick and your arrow will go right through. My big boar had a big plate with pine sap rubbed into the hair that made the plate just as hard as the video. My broadhead went straight through broke his shoulder and angled back through the ribs. He died in ten yards. The head was mangled and two of the blades I never found. It still killed him!
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my god it's a body armour hog !
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Body armor is right. Next time you got a big ol' hog on the ground, one with a shield, take out your fancy knife and try to stab through it! On the big tough ones you will probably have to turn the knife around, hold it like a psyco, and use quite the whip motion to get through it. On the softer ones you could do it with a sharp stick.
The ones I've encountered, it seems that the plate was more "inside" the skin. Kind of like hitting a scapula, but on autopsy no scapula hits were encountered. Just thick, cartlegeous, fat, and skin. There ribs are a joke compared to there tough spots.
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I got a pass through, with 58lb recurve, and used a 2 blade magnus. Love hogs, I must do it again!!