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Main Boards => Trad History/Collecting => Topic started by: PAPALAPIN on January 21, 2009, 07:56:00 PM
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We have visted "What is you best find" now let's visit "what is your Personal HOLY GRAIL of traditional Archery collecting". be it a particular bow or other item.
To start, mine would be my ever ellusive Jack Howard Target Master Supreme.
We all know I am technologically challenged and can't post pictures. Rich has a picture of it so I hope he will post it here.
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For me its the 64 inch Kodiak 59er.I love the length,look and shootability.I looked for one for quite a while in good shape and the right poundage and found one.Its even better shooting than I thought it would.
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56 inch maple site window Kodiak.... 1959 model of course..
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Jack is this something we own right now or ? if its something we own now I got way to many of them.I love em all...bd
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I was interested in the ones you crave but have never found. Who knows, if you post it here someone may chime in and say they hae it. Gives you an opportunity to make a deal on it.
Problem with this is the big thing is the quest for it. Once you find it, the quest is over. Kinda like it is not so much the destination as it is the trip to get there.
Some may have found their "Holy Grail". If so, feel free to post it if you like, but that would really fall under "your greatest find"
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I guess mine would have to be a really nice original B handle takedown with some #2 white tip limbs about 50#. Something really cherry with all the paperwork and original case would be the cherry on top! I've had the opportunity for several in years past, but I'm always a broke bast@rd when one comes along!
A close second would be a cherry maple-window 59 in 64" 50#! CKruse
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CKruse.I left you a private message.
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Jack – Great idea for a thread. I have many unfound Holy Grails… Here is one of the best in the recurve line… an actual documented bow, that was pictured in the 1960 Bear Catalog as the Kodiak DeLuxe… but in fact has a totally and completely different riser configuration than what collectors know as the Kodiak DeLuxe…
The commonly accepted Kodiak DeLuxe has a curved inset of Zebra Wood in the riser and a sow belly. The bow in the 1960 Bear Catalog photograph is actually a standard 1960 Kodiak with Zebra Wood Veneer under Clear Glass… How many guys have previously looked at this photograph and not identified this bow accurately…?
The Holy Grail that I am looking for is the actual bow pictured in the 1960 Bear Catalog, which can be easily identified by the gain in the Zebra Wood on the belly. I have a nice 4-figure nest egg set aside to acquire this Holy Grail… Post photographs if you own this bow…
This is the only 1960 Bear Catalog photograph that identifies a Kodiak DeLuxe … I’ll bet it is different than the Kodiak DeLuxe in most Bear Bow Collections…
(http://members.cox.net/wadephillips/TG-HOLY.JPG)
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Were the pictures in the Early Bear Catalogs actual photographs or an artist's painting of actual photographs.
I don't have the Catalog so I'm just asking.
Trap
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Trap - Good question, an image expert might know.
Photograph or painting, take your pick, either way, a very noticeably different bow was used to create the image for 1960 Kodiak DeLuxe in the 1960 Bear Catalog...
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Lots of Holy Grails for lots of different levels.
I got a 1959 Kodiak MSW-no coin and black ink. It is 60" and 48#. Bowdoc thanks for your help in zeroing in on the fine points of this bow-I asked about some appropriate gold ink for the lettering :D
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q291/bjornweb/DSCN2352.jpg)
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The reason I asked the question is, to me it looks like maybe the artist got his or her pictures mixed up a little and painted grain on the 60 Kodiak and didnt paint grain on the 60 Kodiak Deluxe. He or she has also put black and white overlays on the riser shown horizontally and I don't think that is correct for a Deluxe
If the image was created by an artist there's no assurance that your "Holy Grail" even exists, but if it does I hope you find it and get to spend your nest egg.
You could turn the un-documented variation into a documented variation.
Trap
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Another of many unfound Holy Grails that I am looking for… The three bows below show what we as collectors accept as the Kodiak DeLuxe in 3 lengths, 56”, 60”, 64”… I am looking for the 60” bow marked with serial number IA001 to go with the first and third bows shown in this photograph which have serial numbers HA001 (56”) and LA001 (64”), each being the first Crystalight DeLuxe produced and numbered for its length…
If you know the owner of IA001, please contact me so I can send you your well deserved reward…
Jack – This photograph of 3 actual bows shows a very different riser than the image in the 1960 Bear Catalog for the Kodiak DeLuxe…
(http://members.cox.net/wadephillips/TG-HOLY2.JPG)
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Trap – I am sorry, I apologize, I did not mean to call you “Jack”
Trap – I love you. You ask great questions, that need to be answered. If I disagree with you it is only because we have different points of view, which is healthy.
As you suggest, the artist could have been mixed up a little and painted grain on the 60 Kodiak and didn’t paint grain on the 60 Kodiak Deluxe.
However, as for the black and white overlays on the riser shown horizontally… While you may be correct on this point, remember tip overlays, riser overlays, coins and other easily changed cosmetic features are simply just that, cosmetic features that you will find many variations in over time. No disrespect intended, but collectors who put 100% store in dating bows by overlays, are going to be very disappointed when I ask them to date the odd ball bows in my collection by using only the factory original overlays. If we are betting money or bows, they will loose this bet every single time. Remember, there are lots of exceptions in overlays, especially 1960 bows.
Your next statement is very true!… “If the image was created by an artist there's no assurance that your "Holy Grail" even exists,..”
Equally true is the fact that if an artist created the image exactly as the photograph was, the “Holy Grail” may still exist.
Trap – You also state… “You could turn the un-documented variation into a documented variation.”
I am sorry, but on this statement, you are incorrect. First, this is already a “documented variation” as it is shown in the 1960 Catalog, and is clearly documented.
I am looking for an Unfound “Documented Variation”… (even though you have your reasons to suspect the documentation is not accurate)
For the past two decades I have been looking for this bow as shown in the 1960 Catalog… Please don’t tell me that there is no possibility that it exists…
What do you want to bet, that evidence will be presented that you are incorrect on this point?
What if we each put up a 60” Rosewood Sight Window 1959 Kodiak ???
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Trap, Wade, it is only fitting that an impartial 3rd party hold the bets, I'll PM my address.......
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dang I still can't come up with anything.bd
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this thread is costing me sleep at night....
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Wade, sorry, betting a cold soda is more my speed but I'd be cool with that if you would.
I don't have a 60" Rosewood Sight Window 1959 Kodiak to wager, sorry Bjorn, and I doubt I ever will unless I find one in some obscure place where those with deep pockets havent been.
I agree that debates can be healthy, positive and mentally challenging, if done in a respectful manner. I learn something everday whether I want to or not.
In the catalog, the small caption states "Actual size color photo of Kodiak Deluxe" and if that's an actual photograph I'd say the bow is or was out there somewhere. If it's an artist's image of actual photographs I'd contend that it may not have ever existed.
Like I said, I don't have an authentic 1960 catalog so I have no idea. The image you posted in this thread looks like an image created by an artist of an actual photo.
Based on what has been presented thus far I think there's an element of human (artist) error which would keep that bow from being a true reality.
Now that I've stuck my neck out, I'm sure you're going to show us the actual photograph of the bow which the artist used. And that's cool, I'd pay the price of a soda to see it.
Jack, to get back to your thread topic, I've found my "Holy Grail". I'm looking for the bow depicted in the image alongside Wade's "Holy Grail". I believe it's a 1960 Kodiak Deluxe or Kodiak Special Deluxe (not sure which bow is pictured there) with an orange or brown glass belly.
I'll get to work on setting a meager 3 digit nest egg aside to buy it when it comes along :thumbsup:
I think it's still okay to dream isnt it;)
Trap (Jack) Double DD or whatever
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Trap - I really appreciate your point of view. You have forced me to think, which doesn't happen very often. I fully understand your skepticism about the images in the catalogs as well the skepticism towards the possibility of the existence of this bow.
You will have to admit, for a Bear Bow Collector, looking for this specific "Holy Grail", would be logical. Knowing that I have found many things in the past, that some believed could not be found, I remain the eternal optimist.
I'm sorry to report that I do not have the actual photograph that was used for the catalog. I wish I did.
I will accept your bet of a cold soda, but if you should loose, in place of the soda, I would like to receive a feather rest, identical to the one shown on the Kodiak DeLuxe in the 1960 Bear Catalog.
Do you care to set a time limit for our bet?
Most respectfully - The Eternally Optimistic Collector in search of he Holy Grail...
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Well, I'm pretty sure a turkey's unique "barring" is somewhat like his fingerprint so my rest being "identical" is not within the realm of possibility.
I do have one that is pretty darn close (similarily barred) though if you'll allow me to stand that up against a cold soda.
I might warn you that Bjorn likes the feather rests and probably gets a bit thirsty occasionally so we might not want him to "hold the bets".
I'll let you set the time limit, I'm fairly certain you already have the bet won and you're just not disclosing the evidence untill I've committed.
Therefore the time limit will most likely be determnined by how soon you want the rest.
If you win you'll have a rest for the Holy grail once you find it. If I win I'll raise a "Toast" with my cold soda to all of us finding our "Holy Grails" at some point in our collecting endeavors.
Trap
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:( Damn, I was getting optimistic about the Rosewood bet. But a soda and one of Trap's feather rests are pretty good too!
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My Personal "Holy Grail" is one that may or may not exist,I personaly have two sets of two identical serial Numbers in the 70 type one take down ,I have an A,B with the same and an A,C so looking for either one so only time will tell I was told there may have been some made, but I wont know if I have a set till I find the other
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Kodiak Delux, 60" 60# SN IA001
I have it...
Of course I'm jes yankin'en yer chain
I thought calling it a tri-60 would add an extra touch of drama.
Sorry...could't resist. but that's what you get for calling Trap "JACK"
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Trap – Your natural barbed feather rest would probably look very nice on this bow…
1960 Clear Glass Kodiak … or would you call it a …
1960 Kodiak DeLuxe ???
I was very pleased to acquire this bow several months ago even though it is far from Mint… I bought it in a very obscure auction. Unfortunately, the previous owner knew nothing of its history or the original owner. Had planned this to be one of the many surprises in “Fred Bear’s Most Collectible Bows 1933-1966”, but figure this is the appropriate thread for a sneak preview… After the image is taken for the book, the maker of the replacement feather rest will be credited in the text…
I am personally still looking for the same bow, with the exact grain in the limbs as shown in the 1960 Catalog image, it is still my “Documented but Unfound Holy Grail”…
We can let Bjorn decide the time limit and current status of our bet…
(http://members.cox.net/wadephillips/TG-60-K.JPG)
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Jack - I wish you did have the trip 60 SN IA001. Sorry for the name mix-up. I do know how to use Edit/Copy, Edit/Paste, just don't know how to use it very well or have sense enough to edit the text...
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Had to mess with you, Wade...regardless of the name mix up.
I know I would have crapped if someone had posted they had a TargetMaster Supreme.
Like you, I don't even know if my Holy Grail iexists any more. Someone may have made a lamp out of it by now.
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My 1958 Ben Pearson Bushmaster 60#
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Thanks Wade, to give everyone a fair opportunity the bet can go on as long as needed, and I am open to holding the soda, feather rest, and rosewood Kodiak, without charge I might add, for whatever time it takes to find that elusive bow!
BTW I do have 1A039, 60" and 46#; just 38 too late, huh?
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I'd say the bet is over. As pedicted, the bet was won before you made it.
What do you guys think? That picture should be worth a feather rest shouldnt it? And look you didnt have to buy the book to see it. :)
It does look a little naked Wade. PM an address and I'll gladly send the rest your way.
No matter what you call it, that bow is waaay cool.
Trap
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Trap - My Father taught me to never to bet on anything other than a sure thing. Your feather rest will have a good home on this bow. You are very gracious in settling this wager. Hopefully this single loss has not ruined any possibly of future wagers with you.
I truly enjoy your forward straight up and stimulating contributions to these threads. You have made me think, don't stop, keep it up !
I'm not sure what to call the bow either. After receiving it in the mail, my first efforts to accurately describe it was “1960 Clear Glass Kodiak”. Guess that says exactly what it is. When a more concise and more accurate description is offered, I will gladly use it.
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My father taught me the same thing Wade, but I was too much of a rebel to pay attention.
So, does the bow on the left side of the page (My holy grail) exist or can we assume that was a bow with really tight dark grain and the artist depicted it correctly?
Trap
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Trap - From the image in the catalog, it appears that the bow on the left side has a dark tight grain wood veneer under clear glass. I will not bet on the identity of the wood type.
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I have been looking for one of these for a few years. Early 60's Herters CV22 complete with the belly overlays.
(http://brian.ckupris.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1621&g2_serialNumber=1)
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I am going to say there are for sure some rare bird's to still discover.
Bjorn don't be shay and post up some pics of the 1961 Grizzly clear glass bow.Those are pretty rare too....bd
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Is Bjorn holding out?????
What's up with that ????
Trap
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Hell yeah he is...here's another one that if I were a little longer on cash flow I would try and recover too.I owned and sold the one and only 1960 Kodiak Deluxe factory camo I ever saw.Gee's it pissed me off but chit happens and I was in one hell of a bind at the time for cash.Thats back when Dick Rathboner bought my 1960 also.Anyhow I needed the dough and made a deal with this person for some cash and a 1959 56" 50#er for the KD.He sent the cash and never did send the 56"er.I figured I would just buy the bow back at some point.Just kind of never had the extra jing..damn-it that was a cool bow too.Factory camo with leather grip 1960 KD....God I'am a sick sick little man sometimes.........bowdumbass
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Wade,
Speaking of that clear glass 1960 Kodiak,have you seen the one in Al Reader's collection.It's a 1959 Kodiak with clear glass.It once belonged to Nels Grumley.Never saw anything like that one before.
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My grail is a little more modest but is proving to be quite hard to come up with. I want to get my old late 60s rosewood Damon Howatt Super Diablo in 50# back. I've seen 45# and newer SD's but not quite what I want.
I wouldn't mine finding a ca 1955-56 Ben Pearson lemonwood longbow either to replace the one I had as a kid.
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Another "Holy Grail"...
1960 Kodiak Mag 52" - Same Brown & Autumn Orange Glass as 1960 Kodiaks
How about Buginga slabs & Rosewood I-beam ?
Might as well dream
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Hey you know your not supposed to mention that 1959-1960 52" factory camo kodiak mag...That was off limits last I heard .... yikes bd
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BowDoc – I want to look at the Autumn Orange glass on the 1960 52” Mag… I don’t like Factory Camo.
My tastes must be a little different than yours…
Your 1960 Kodiak Deluxe - Factory Camo… Might be Bear's greatest paradox… Boy I’m surprised you admitted to owning that bow.
A Clear Glass Camo… Seems more like an oxymoron, rather than a Holy Grail
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The one I sold to the guy in Pa.will have to come clean and finish the trade at some point.The 56" 1959 does not do much for me now that I've shot a few.I figured the KD was always a way cooler bow..I could take or lieve the camo.Those KD do look lots better without camo though thats for sure..bd
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Don't tease us Wade.... post some pics!
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Sorry Chuck - The server where I post my images has been down all morning. Will try again this evening.
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Horse crap your laying low to try and win another feather rest ai'nt ya ? bd
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BowDoc – You got it, tying to win another feather rest, different approach…
Also looking for this “Holy Grail”
1960 Kodiak Maple Sight Window – It probably does not even exist, but if it does, it would look cool displayed with this Purpleheart SW 1960 Kodiak… (undocumented to my knowledge)
Trap – Will you let me sneak this Purpleheart SW (Black & White Overlays) on your “Happy Birthday 59” thread as a 1959 and give me a chance to pick off another one of your feather rests?
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo301/WadePhillips/TG-60-PH.jpg)
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Im a big fan of the kodiak mag did they make any in 59
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SES - Good question. Rumor has it both in 1959 and 1960 a limited number Kodiaks were made in 52" with Autumn Orange glass on the Belly and Brown glass on the Back. A 52" is reportedly shown in one of the color photographs from the 1959 Little Delta Hunt.
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geting one would be like finding chickens teeth
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Sorry Wade, you'll have to save that one for the "Happy Bithday 60" thread.
Trap
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Trap - I respect your decision to save the Purpleheart SW 1960 for the "Happy Bithhday 60" thread. Please don't tell me next year that you changed your mind and it should have been in the "Happy Birthday 59" because it has a Purpleheart SW. I'd be real disappointed.
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Has to be my newly aquired Kodiak Magnum..
63#@28" serial no. 7U5001
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk155/DBSULLY/KodiakMag004.jpg)
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For me it would be a deerslayer....or any Grumley for that matter. Or longbowkid's k-mag. I really like kodiak magnums and have yet to get one with a curved stripe (cool bow Longbowkid).
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What are the specs on that bow Wade? Recently Roy Fedewa (Marlon450) bought a LH 64" PH 1960.
From the pic, it looks like the grip is sleek like a 1959 moreso than the 1960 palm swell. Is that the case?
Trap
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Trap - The PH 1960 is RH 60". Yes it has the sleek grip. Some of the early 1960s had the sleek grip like most of the 1959s.
For a number of years, I have shot mostly 1960 Kodiaks (after discovering there are many reasons 1960s are better than 1959s)and have acquired over 20 1960s (straight Kodiaks). If I find one that shoots well and has a fat grip, and I want to use it for hunting, I remove the grip and take the rosewood down to be like the sleek grip bows (which is still a standard variation).
The 1960 PH 60" has the original grip on it. As you can see the grip is in poor condition, but I wanted to leave it original so nobody could ever think that the overlays were not original to the bow.
Another note on the 1960s, I have owned more completely original 1960 Kodiaks with copper coins then aluminum coins. When I hear the 1959 copper and 1960 aluminum, I shake my head, more folklore.
Do you know anyone who makes the pointed narrow leather strike plates for the 1960 Kodiak Special DeLuxe?
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Hell way not wade tell away I need some more archery history under my belt
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Bob York is working on some "59" lined strike plates and has some really good leather and I hope to be able to show some of those soon to folks needing them.
I have a sample and it's very very good.
To answer your question Wade, no, I dont have an original plate so I dont know what one looks like exactly. I have a couple 59 Kodiak Specials, but neither of them had original plates when I got them. Is the 59 KS and 60 KSD the same strike plate?
If someone has an original they'd like to send me I bet we can get a close repro made.
Do you also do the Papa Bear modification to the shelf and throat like I've seen Doc do to his and Grant's bows?
Trap
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Trap - I hope the "59" lined strike plates you mention are true to the original color. If so I am interested in ten of them.
The Dark Brown "Reproduction Bear" 5-line strike plates that have been sold for a number of years are not even close to being true to the original color or texture. However, they are true to shape and lines.
The 1959 and 1969 Bear Catalogs did not show any strike plates on the Kodiak Specials, they were pictured only with a red feather rest (hope you made lots of red ones). Although not pictured in the catalog with a strike plate, these bows can be found with many different leather strike plates, all of which would have to be considered as “non-standard” until shown differently. I have not looked any place other than the catalogs to know if any Bear documentation from the era shows any leather strike plates as original to these bows.
The 1960 Bear Catalog shows the KSD with a pointed narrow leather strike plate, as my first post on this thread shows, the 1960 Bear Catalog image to the left of the “Clear Glass 1960 Kodiak”. I’ve owned several of these strike plates originally attached to KSD, as well as a couple on KS, but most were in poor condition.
This photograph is the best 1960 KSD original strike plate I have. Yes, I know, the feather rest is shot, and I should buy a replacement, but this bow is all original, originally attached strike plate, originally attached feather rest, and originally attached factory leather grip (grip not advertised on KSD to my knowledge). Want to leave this bow all original so don’t want to remove the strike plate to send you for use as a template for reproductions.
The “bullet shape” strike plate measures .56” wide x 1.20” long x .026” thick at the tip. It is a little thicker at the base, .034”. There is a very small slender piece of material under the center portion of the leather to serve as a thin build out. Actual color is just a shade darker then this image shows on my screen (not that you can see that far).
(http://members.cox.net/wadephillips/1960-KSD-StrikePlate.JPG)
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Interesting
That strike plate is cut just like the ones Jack Howard used on his bows with feather rests, except that they were black.
Nice bow
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Wow wade I was just looking at the 1960s Bear catalog you are rigth there is no photo of the
strike plate. just like u say the feather rest is the only thing that is showen in the photo.
Nice bow wade....
Cody
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Jack - If you get a chance, check the measurements of the Jack Howard strike plate against the measurements I give in my previous post. Would be interesting to know if they are the same size.
Trap - You may also have the Jack Howard market for a black model of the "bullet" strike plate.
Although not yet identified as original, for obvious reasons the "bullet" would be a nice choice for the 1959 and 1960 KS.
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What color you looking for Wade ? I would be happy to supply a sample if I have it Trap.bd (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/strikeplates001.jpg)
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Here are some pics of the 1960 PH Kodiak handle Trap was talking about.
(http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u322/0710point/1230760484.jpg)
(http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u322/0710point/1230760460.jpg)
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1960 purple heart ibeam.I love that bow and I ai'nt even lefthanded....bd
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Bob York just made me one of the small plates for one of my 63 Type 1 mags...And man they are on the money... Size, material and color. You also need to check out his copy of the latch bears on the bay. They are the "cats nuts".
Mike
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Bob's side plates are gonna rock folks. I've made several of my own and I'm really excited about the ones he has in the works.
Wade, I think I can get really close from looking at that pic and using your measuremnets. It appears to be veg tanned leather with a smooth finish. Thanks Doc, let me see if I can wing this one. I'll keep you posted.
Jack, I've seen plates like you are talking about on some 59 Kodiak Specials and that's why I asked Wade if the 59 and 60 plates were the same.
Was there a supply of side plates and feather rests left behind when Jack passed or do you think it was something he made "as needed"
I still have the Howard feather rest you sent to me and will gladly do my best to replicate that for the Howard bows you guys are going to sell if they are in need of rests.
I'll toss one in the mail and you can take a look Wade and as soon as Mr York gets me a plate I'll let everyone know.
Trap
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Dang Doc, you have more strike plates and rug rests than you do toe-nail clippings.
I bet you have Bear Archery parts you don't even know you have.
Trap
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Yes Trap I made replaements for everything and just saved the old strike plates and arrow rests.I marked most of them with a felt pen on the back the year and model bow they came off.It helps when makeing replaements 5-6 line large.Well actually I believe they were all 6 line large then trimmed to fit each perspective model.I also have a die I made to cut them out and a 6 line roller for adding the lines.Just another bowdoc project...
Wade I may have a bullet type strike plate I could spare as a patten for a week or two.Thats also the only strike plate I ever saw on KD's.bd (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/plates001.jpg) (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/plates002.jpg)
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BowDoc - Looks like you have a nice "collection" of strike plates. You should make a display case for them. Maybe we could start a National Organization and call it the American Strikeplate Savers. Oh, no, that Acronym won’t work. Let’s just forget it.
Thanks so much for the offer to loan me the loose 1960 KSD Strike place. I think I will just wait to see if Trap can make them up. A few years back The Grip Master tried to retire from leather work. Grips were nice, but my strike plates were never as good or original as I wanted them to be, as I could never find the right kinds of leather for the various types of Strike Plates. I'd much rather pay someone who knows what they are doing and can make strike plates more true to the originals.
Trap - Forget to answer in regards to a question on your post of January 24, 2009 01:27 AM, that was “do you also do the Papa Bear modification to the shelf and throat like I've seen Doc do to his and Grant's bows?” No, I don’t cut the shelf lower to be like Fred’s bows. I only make any fat grips into a thin grip, which is original for some 60s. Everything else on my bows is pretty much restored to “looking as original” except I use a rug rest when hunting as I’m really hard on the feather rests. However, I do use feather rests on my display bows, some of which I occasionally take to a shoot on a nice day.
Trap - Let me know if you also make leather strike plates for the 1950-1953 Static Kodiaks, or for the 1954 Compass Kodiaks. I need several of each.
Is the 1959 Kodiak strike plate also going to be available in the original two colors and texture for the 1961 and the 1962 Kodiaks? I need some of each of them too… It’s a shame these originals have not been available for decades.
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Id like a 1963 Tamerlane 63inch and 40 to 45lbs. Saw one once was too cheap to buy it.
Dean
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Trap I made a die out of a cloth cutting blade I heated it up and bent it to fit the large Bear strike plate.You just put the die over the leather and wack it with a wood mallit bam a strike plate falls out.Its kind of like a little chooper for strike plates.
Dean thats a great bow and great shooter too.I saw one in 55# once but would have had to sell one of my kids off to purchase that one.bd
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bd, the die for the strikeplates is on my project list. I've been making enough of them over the last year to justify it.
My original Holy Grail is on my bow rack: a near flawless '59 Polar in 50#
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/fliksr/More%20Bows/FrankandShell00001.jpg)
It took awhile to find one in excellent shape with a gorgeous rosewood SW, and when I finally did, someone bought it out from under me!! :mad: A few weeks later it showed up at my door as a gift!!! You've got to love good friends! I haven't decided what I'm going to do for a strikeplate, but for now the calfhair does the job.
The only bow I don't have that's of interest to me right now is a 64" 1960 Kodiak Deluxe in the 50-55# range. I don't expect to find one and if I do, I don't expect I'll be able to pay for it! LOL
Come to think of it, I wouldn't turn away from a '59-60 Grizzly in excellent shape either :)
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Guys, Bob York is making the 59 strike plates and should be sending me a compliment of them to show you soon. I tried making them and have made some for myself but they arent as good as what Bob is making.
He is going to make them in light brown and also a chocolate brown.
Won't be long, hang in there fellas.
Thanks for that pic Doc, that should help.
Trap
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My Holy Grail would have to be a personal bow from each of my archery hero's
Fred Bear
Ben Pearson
Earl Hoyt
Howard Hill
I don't think there is an end to this list...maybe I have to start playing the lottery, even to start it.
Kurt
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Wow Kurt I'am hurt bad this morning.I did not see bowdoc on your list...bd
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I guess hero is a little strong, how about pioneers??.
Heck BD you already told us you got grandkids, I think it went something like "aint none of you getting the docs secret stash, no how, noway....its for the grandkids" I thought, well I'm patient.
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After years of dreaming about it ... I finally found mine ...Jack Howard Supreme Target ...
It was worth the wait ...
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Pictures please. :clapper:
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https://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=119474.msg2148245#msg2148245
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Finally got mine last fall...a '69 Bear Super Kodiak "Black Beauty". Needed a bit of work and sprucing up, but the results were worth it!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52418182764_a12b0991d9_4k.jpg)