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Main Boards => Prayers/Concerns/Honors/Ailments => Topic started by: Scott E. Thomas on January 11, 2014, 06:10:00 PM
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Hey all you prayer warriors. Lets lift up all the people that are being affected by this chemical spill. I have a few friends that I met through traditional archery that live in this area. God bless, Scott.
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Prayers sent
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Always something...
Not familiar with that situation, but if Scott asks for prayers, it's deserving of all our consideration.
Prayers for God's will and protection among those afflicted and affected.
Spills tend to leave a long-lasting mark! :(
Lord, in your awesome mercy...
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Prayers sent for my HOME STATE.
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Read something recently that drinking water is now coming back on line for those areas affected.
What a blessing something so simple we take forgranted can become when pulled out from under us!
Prayers for life to return to a semblance of normal for those hit hardest!
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Thanks, Scott. I know I am one of the friends you had in mind. The saying is true that you don't miss the water till the well runs dry. All at once about 300,000 people were told "do not use the water for anything but to flush toilets and fight fire!" Don't bathe in it, wash clothes, dishes, cook, drink, etc. That was in effect for many of us for 5-8 days. The national news coverage is over on it but the issues continues in many ways. Five schools in our area had to be shut down just today due to heavy odor that made several people sick from where they are still flushing out water lines. Our water here at home is better but we still have not been drinking it--for four weeks now today. Not a fun time. They are saying it is OK to use it any way you want now but still they say they can't use the word "safe". :dunno:
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DAvid,
Thanks for updating us. We surely and sorely cannot trust our media to do so...
I will continue to pray for honesty, illumination and return to some sort of normalcy in your area.
Might as well be without electricity as without safe water... :(
Lord in your Mercy...
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Dave, we went without electricity for 12 days summer before last due to heavy damage from a straight line wind storm called a "derecho". After that we installed a whole house, stand-by generator powered by natural gas. Comes on automatically after 10 seconds of power outage. I can now handle that issue. Water is another thing. We're keeping some potable water in storage now. As Boy Scouts learn, you need to "Be Prepared". Thanks for your concerns.
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Prayers continue for some resolution
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Nobody trusts anybody here any more--not the water company, state government--nobody. It really is a crisis of trust as much as anything. Daily our newspapers still carry front page stories about the water issue and you can still take containers and get free "safe" water at various points throughout the area if you don't want to use the tap water. What strikes me as funny in a weird sort of way is that all of the people who test and assure the safety of our water are saying the water is now safe for use however people want to use it. But the folks don't buy into that. Yet they go to the store and buy bottled water, soda, and everything else we buy at the grocery store--stuff that they really have no idea how safe it is, because they trust that whoever, wherever who says it is safe are to be trusted! Weird really. But I would say that based on informal surveys taken at area town hall meetings, probably at least 90% of the people here don't trust the water enough to drink it. I do to a limited extent--trying to gradually get back to normal use. Our water at home has lost the faint smell of licorice and the funky taste pretty much. I don't glow in the dark--at least not yet!
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I suspect that trust issue will only elevate and spread over larger issues as time unfolds with current 'state of the state'. But that teeters on verboten issues so I won't continue in that vein.
It'd be expensive, I fear, but I wonder if you took water samples to another area (or state) and had it independently "tested" if you'd get "honest" results?
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David,
Pm me if I can help interpret water quality analyses or warning language. I'm in the water treatment and compliance business and can shoot straight with you. I used to work at a state drinking water agency, but am also certified to operate drinking water treatment plants. EPA is very strict with the language the water systems must use in public notices and warnings. For instance,they will say the water is in compliance with water quality regulations, instead of saying it is safe, but it means the same thing. Best test is to see if the regulators and treatment plant operators and their families are drinking the public water supply or bottled water!!
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Tim, thanks much for your response. The public here has absolutely no confidence in the "safety" of our water. I think that is related to what you said about language. They (water company and public officials, federal CDC) have said the water is "appropriate" for any use. When pressed by reporters or the public, no one will use the word "safe" because there is virtually no information available on the toxicity of the chemical that was leaked into our system. They also are simply covering their own behinds as well since the lawyers have been lining up with law suits literally since the court house opened on the morning after the leak was announced. They were in line waiting to file suits.
Some public officials as well as the president of the water company say they are drinking the water. Others, like our Senator Rockefeller, say they won't. Rockefeller said he wouldn't drink it if they paid him. That doesn't help public assurance. He has been castigating big corporations throughout this thing and is just amazed that there was so little regulation of above ground storage tanks--but he has been governor in the past as well as US senator now for eons. Nothing was done on his watch to prevent these problems. (My little rant) :rolleyes:
Our water here at the house has lost the smell and taste. I admit to some limited drinking of it--trying to ease back into full use. We are using it for everything else--showering, laundry, etc.
Seems sort of funny to me that folks don't trust the water company and the CDC when they tell us we can use the water, but they buy bottled water that they don't "know" is "safe" either because they are willing to trust some lab guy some place who supposedly has tested the water in the bottles and declared it safe. We put huge trust in our soft drink manufacturers, food processors, etc. every day. Just sort of an interesting matter of trust.
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Prayers continue for 'peace of mind' that comes thru whatever vehicle you decide to lean on, be that the Cross or Man's conventions.
Good point on bottled water. Most things I've read (Tim would know better than I) say that water bottling companies need not meet any stricter regs than municipal suppliers!
Horrifying that your pollutant has no markers. That has to have everyone on edge!
Keep the Son in your eyes!
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Correct, Doc. Bottled water regulations and testing parameters are less stringent than public water supplies.
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CoilSpring, very interesting. I recently commented that people don't trust what our water company is telling us but they seem to be putting implicit trust in the bottled water companies. Then just last week they had to withdraw a shipment of bottled water from Ice Mountain from our schools because of a "musty" smell and taste.
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Perfect example, David. The musty taste and odor is from off-gasses from bacteria or mold/fungus growth due to either no treatment, insufficient treatment, or poor bottle cleaning or sterilization. The question here is...What did the test analysis show; bacteria (what type & concentration); mold (type); or fungus (type).
Most bottled water regs are State Health Dept. jurisdiction and can vary more from state-to-state than Public Water Supply regs. Bottled water is not a public supply and therefore different regs apply. Health Depts work under state and county regs.
One water treatment requirement difference between bottled water (a beverage and regulated as such) is that bottled water doesn't have to have a disinfectant residual when consumed, unlike a Public water Supply water, (ie. 0.20 mg/L Total Residual Chlorine in the water main).
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Public Water Supplies are regulated by EPA, where those states with "primacy" can administer, regulate, and enforce the EPA regs and any state regs that are more stringent than EPA's. States can have more strict regs than the Feds, but not less.
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Great information, Tim.
I wish I could commit all that to memory for all my "bottled water" drinking friends. Some of the pricey ones to me, taste salty... :eek:
At least they're flat and tasteless at best and almost "slippery" feeling.
Regardless, one would hope that when a population's health is dependent on it, the water tests are being done vigorously and quantified independently....
Alas, nobody (with cause) trusts govt anymore.
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Tim, thank you so much for all of the helpful information. We have been told that our water is "appropriate for any use". Our water here at home tastes just as good as before the spill and has none of the faint licorice smell it had in the days immediately after the spill. You have confirmed what I had suspected about the bottled water. There have been no test results released on the bottled water removed from the schools due to the musty smell and taste. What you say makes perfect sense about the cause of that.