Post by: Wile E. Coyote on June 17, 2004, 04:03:00 PM
So, does anyone have experience using 3 blade heads on plains game? Looking at taking Kudu and Gemsbok with the possibility of Zebra as the largest game.
Thanks for your imput
Post by: Joseph on June 17, 2004, 05:58:00 PM
Post by: 8th Dwarf on June 17, 2004, 11:52:00 PM
I'm heading over for my 11th trip in July. I have been there and done that, so to speak. I would NEVER use anything but a good, wide, two blade head. My choice is the Magnus 135 grain.
My outfitter could tell you horror stories about multi-blade heads and mechanical heads. He requests all his hunters to shoot two blade heads.
I can't imagine why you get better arrow flight with a three blade head. It just doesn't make sense. Have someone ELSE watch you shoot both broadheads. I would bet that they can't see any difference. I would bet it is in your mind...
Just some thoughts from someone who has been there many times.
Too Short
Post by: Biggie Hoffman on June 18, 2004, 10:02:00 AM
I'm geared up for june 28th thru july the 20...
I have 23 new 2317's with Razorcaps mounted spun and SHARP. 675 grains. I'll let ya'll know what happens.....
Post by: Don Thomas on June 19, 2004, 12:45:00 AM
Post by: Ray Hammond on June 22, 2004, 09:17:00 PM
I haven't been to Africa..but everything i know about big animals tells me that Paul and Don have given you some really sage advice...
I really, really, really like the Grizzly 160...once i figured out how to make them sharp..I don't think there is a head i would like better...i keep trying everything..but so far................
Post by: Biggie Hoffman on June 23, 2004, 12:23:00 PM
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Post by: Sugar on June 23, 2004, 09:11:00 PM
On one side Paul could argue you need more penatration and on the other... what if in one instance you NEED the larger hole / 3rd blade.
I'd say which ever shoots best and you really believe in.
Post by: Dave/Mn on June 23, 2004, 10:07:00 PM
After using snuffers since the mid eighties I was gearing up for a moose hunt, but thought I would be better served with a two blade head, so I mounted several and just like you I get much better flight and accuracy with the snuffers.
Like Paul said maybe it's in our heads, but something like that I want in my head. Confidence
in your equipment is priceless, especially when dealing with game animals!
I hunted S Africa last June and my snuffers did just fine as usual. I got a complete passthrough on a 52in Kudu and all 3 blades still shaved hair! I say use the snuffers , stay away from shoulder blades and you will be just fine.
BTW, the vitals are much further forward on African game than on a Whitetail.
I will be hunting Elk in Nm with 2short in Sept,and I will be totting Snuffers, I hope this broadhead issue doesn't get out of hand.
Good Luck in Africa. :thumbsup:
Dave :
Post by: Jock on June 24, 2004, 04:35:00 AM
Good huntin in September!!
Post by: J from Denmark on June 26, 2004, 09:48:00 AM
Jacob
Post by: 8th Dwarf on June 26, 2004, 12:37:00 PM
Heh, heh, heh! I have my opinions and you have yours. It doesn't make a hill of beans difference to me what you shoot as long as you shoot it well.
Bring your Africa photos with you when you come...and any others you want. I'll have my lap top with all mine on it.
Too Short
Post by: Dave/Mn on June 27, 2004, 09:25:00 PM
Thanks a lot, I'm confident that we will have a great time.
Jacob,
Black Widow MA3 60'' 65@29 Gold Tip carbons cut to 30'' weighted with Gold Tip brass weights to finish out at about 650 grains.
I have no idea what the arrow speed is, and I really don't care. I just know when I do my part they do theirs.
Paul;
Do you think you could condense things to a few select snapshots? A whole computer full of pictures from a guy that hunts all year could be scarry!
Seriously, best of luck to you and everyone else going across this summer, whatever is on your arrows.
Post by: J from Denmark on June 28, 2004, 07:37:00 AM
Jacob
Post by: Biggie Hoffman on July 19, 2004, 01:28:00 PM
Just got back from 10 days in South Africa and here's the report on Razorcaps:
7 animals....7 arrows...6 down in sight, the 7th went 300 yards. (for those who aren't aware, shooting a gemsbok 4" back of the front leg is a no-no)
4 pass thrus, 3 stuck in opposite shoulders.
Kudu, Waterbuck, Hartebeast, Wildebeast, Impala and 2, Gemsbok.
63# black widow bow and 650 grain arrows.
I have NO PROBLEM recommending 3 blade heads for plains game.
Post by: Biggie Hoffman on July 21, 2004, 01:20:00 PM
Awards are for politicians.........
Post by: Idahoeyes on July 21, 2004, 01:49:00 PM
HOWEVER, one of the compound guys lost 2 animals with light 3 blade broadheads (he was shooting an overdraw, so arrows were very light). He hit a Kudu in the shoulder blade with the three blad broadhead and it stuck in the shoulderblade with only about 1/8" protruding into the lung. What would have happened with the same broadhead and a heavier arrow I don't know? Dr. Ed Ashby had done lots of testing and I will only shoot 2 blades at African animals. They are tough!! If your shot placement is perfect, 100% of the time, then go with whatever. If not, look at 2 blade heads. Most PH's will not allow 3 blade heads for dangerous game. Why? You have a much better chance at getting killing penetration with a 2 blade head.
Biggie, sounds like you shoot very well. Congrats on a great trip and great shooting! Where are the pictures? :)
Post by: Biggie Hoffman on July 21, 2004, 02:33:00 PM
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Post by: bayoulongbowman on July 21, 2004, 05:35:00 PM
Post by: bayoulongbowman on July 22, 2004, 08:42:00 AM
Post by: Terry Green on July 22, 2004, 03:58:00 PM
That is just plain awsome my man.
Post by: Wile E. Coyote on July 22, 2004, 04:32:00 PM
We were shooting 58# recurves and longbows with 700-750grain arrow set up.
Best to All
Post by: Idahoeyes on July 22, 2004, 06:20:00 PM
How far away were the animals that got hit in the scapula?
Post by: Idahoeyes on July 22, 2004, 06:21:00 PM
Post by: Wile E. Coyote on July 22, 2004, 06:27:00 PM
I would say 15yds give or take a few yards on 2 of them and 18-20 on the other.
Post by: Biggie Hoffman on July 23, 2004, 08:31:00 AM
Post by: Joseph on July 28, 2004, 01:39:00 AM
Post by: Dsturgisjr on July 29, 2004, 08:09:00 AM
I've always used two blades in Africa untill this year. I tried the Wensel Woodsmans and experienced good results on the two animals I shot. Eland bull total pass thru. Zebra stallion angling away buried to crest in far shoulder.
Watched eland go down. Would have seen zebra, but brush blocked the view.
The other guys I hunted with used two blades with great success also. Grizzlys and STOS.
Post by: J from Denmark on July 30, 2004, 09:45:00 AM
Jacob
Post by: Dsturgisjr on July 30, 2004, 06:12:00 PM
Post by: J from Denmark on July 31, 2004, 06:07:00 AM
Jacob
Post by: Stekewood on August 01, 2004, 12:34:00 PM
Awesome!!!!! What was your exact set-up in terms of bow draw length and weight, arrow type and weight, broadhead type and weight.
Thanks and congratulations!
Steve
Post by: Biggie Hoffman on August 02, 2004, 09:57:00 AM
Black Widow longbow, 65#@32", 32" Heritage 350's w/Razorcaps 125's......
Denny talked me into the new longbow at the Michigan Traditional Gathering....Thanks Denny!
Post by: Ryan Rothhaar on August 02, 2004, 10:19:00 AM
Nice critters, though, congrats!
Ryan
Post by: Biggie Hoffman on August 03, 2004, 04:10:00 PM
Post by: Dsturgisjr on August 03, 2004, 05:25:00 PM
Post by: Randy Cooling on August 29, 2004, 11:30:00 AM
Post by: 2wfstlhunting on September 24, 2004, 04:18:00 AM
Post by: Biggie Hoffman on October 07, 2004, 02:10:00 PM
Post by: scruff on October 26, 2004, 07:42:00 PM
I never have seen the razorcap broadhead used. I have shot the 2 bladed zwickeys and magnus for many years with great results. I tried the WW this year and killed a good 4x4 whitetail with them. Good broadhead. Can you compare the benefits/disadvantages of the WW vs. a razorcap?
Looks like you had a great trip.
Cheers,
DK
Post by: Biggie Hoffman on October 29, 2004, 04:21:00 PM
The biggest marketing advantage of the rc is the changeable blade design atht also allows you to change head weights by simply changing ferrules. The blade replacement is a one piece unit that works with all 5 weighted ferrules.
The other difference is the rc comes SHARP out of the package and is s/s. I'm not sure of the alloy but s/s is harder metal than the carbon the ww is made of for those who have complained that the tip bends on the ww.
Note I never said any of these features were advantagious.....just different.
Post by: scruff on October 30, 2004, 02:52:00 PM
Have a good Autumn.
Cheers,
DK
Post by: Al Kidner on November 04, 2004, 03:53:00 PM
I have bare shafted my arrows for my bow and I still can not stop the hissing sound. I just know if I was to try and dump the string on one of our Chital deer, he would not be there when the arrow gets there... :help:
Looking forward to you reply.......Alan in Oz
Post by: Al Kidner on November 04, 2004, 03:54:00 PM
Thanks.