Post by: BUFF on August 01, 2006, 04:33:00 PM
Post by: tradtusker on August 01, 2006, 06:10:00 PM
what is your draw length?
there are many variables, shot placement etc...
you planning a trip to africa?
Andy
Post by: BUFF on August 02, 2006, 05:19:00 PM
Post by: tradtusker on August 02, 2006, 05:29:00 PM
Andy
Post by: 8th Dwarf on August 09, 2006, 08:55:00 AM
The first Water Buff went about 100 yards and fell over. The Cape was down in 8 seconds! The last Water Buff was down in 36 yards.
Forget the kinetic energy junk and just use your head! Don't even think about an arrow weighing less than 900 grains. Use the Magnus 125 gr. two blade. I used wooden shafts made from Diamond Wood. They weighed 960 grains all-up. All went right to the feathers. On the Cape, the arrow SEVERED a rib going in and SEVERED a rib on the off side! We are talking CUT IN HALF!
Three years ago, I was shooting an 85 pound Wolverine. It was three feet per second faster than the 74 pound bows! That's all! I am far more accurate with the 74 pound bow, as that is my normal draw weight.
Too many bowhunters get caught up in science! Screw the science and use your common sense and your bowhunting knowledge!
For what it is worth, there is my view on the issue.
Too Short
Post by: Ray Hammond on August 09, 2006, 04:35:00 PM
Post by: Mike Orton on August 09, 2006, 04:38:00 PM
Has anyone ever calculated exactly how many Archery Scientists can dance on the head of a pin?
Dwarf, I can only hope that your sense of common thinking will sprout in others....
Post by: 8th Dwarf on August 10, 2006, 11:56:00 AM
I get so frustrated with this "Scientific" approach that I could scream! I happened to read a Safari Magazine article in a bowhunting camp...not my favorite magazine, by far, but the only thing to read....
This "Clown" did an entire article on his Cape Buffalo hunt and kinetic energy...the whole article was about how he had figured it all out and had the perfect combination of arrow weight and speed. THEN...the IDIOT used a 4 blade Muzzy head on the Buffalo!!! I could not believe it! Only 13 inches of penetration! He didn't say it in the article, but out came the "smoke pole" to finish a wounded Buffalo! He also dwelt on the fact that the Buff was the animal he "NEEDED" to finish "COLLECTING" so many African animals with a "Bow" (Bow??? or Banjo?)
If we are going to bow hunt, especially with tradtional equipment, we need to leave science out of it and use our instincts...for more than aiming...
Too Short
Post by: BUFF on August 10, 2006, 12:27:00 PM
Post by: Bushman on August 10, 2006, 03:42:00 PM
I still think this is on the light side for buffalo though, but have never shot one myself so...
Post by: justin snyder on August 11, 2006, 09:05:00 PM
Post by: 8th Dwarf on August 13, 2006, 01:01:00 PM
This ain't supposed to be a hi-tech, SCIENTIFIC sport! It is supposed to be a down and dirty, sniff the dirt and the trees, pay-your-dues, hard work, EARN THE REWARDS sport!
I could do without ragweed, though...sniff!
Too Short
Post by: Don Thomas on August 13, 2006, 03:48:00 PM
Post by: Dalebow on August 13, 2006, 06:12:00 PM
That was an awesome story and I really liked seeing it in Outdoorlife magazine:-)
Dale
Post by: 8th Dwarf on August 14, 2006, 08:28:00 AM
Too F. Short
Post by: vermonster13 on August 15, 2006, 11:12:00 AM
Post by: Ray Hammond on August 15, 2006, 03:20:00 PM
I might be thinking about hex shafts though, not sure.
Post by: BTH on August 15, 2006, 09:24:00 PM
Post by: el cazador on August 15, 2006, 11:35:00 PM
http://tradgang.com//noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=31;t=000206#000000
I'm sure Buff needs to know where to get the shafts too!
Post by: 8th Dwarf on August 16, 2006, 09:45:00 AM
I talked to Bob Burton up at Whispering Wind and told him I really wanted to hunt Buff with wood shafts, not graphite or aluminum. He said that he could help me out.
Along came these AWESOME shafts made from Diamond Wood, which, I believe, is the stuff they use to make recurve handles. I have since had him make more for me. They are straight! They are heavy and all about the same weight! They shoot FLAWLESSLY!
I dip them, then dip in Fletch Laq, then crest them. After that, two dips of Van Flex, which is a super hard, heavy finish. With the Magnus II, 125 grain head, they weigh 960 grains!
As I said in other posts (or maybe this one), I have taken two Water Buff and one Cape Buff with them...all one arrow kills. The arrow completely SEVERED a rib going in and completely SEVERED a rib going out on the Cape Buffalo!!!
Hope this helps!
Too Short
Post by: Don Thomas on August 17, 2006, 01:01:00 AM
Post by: 8th Dwarf on August 18, 2006, 11:11:00 AM
I, on-the-other-hand, am neatly groomed, well dressed, and very classy. I DO have indoor plumbing, complete with bidet, and know how to use it all properly.
Rosey is a whole nother story!
Way Too Short, but seriously classy!
Post by: Ray Hammond on August 19, 2006, 10:54:00 AM
Of course we all know the old saw about a rolling stone gathers no moss, but blonde hotties never seemed to know that one and preferred the tussle-headed variety more than the slick! go figure.
Post by: J from Denmark on August 20, 2006, 03:05:00 AM
Post by: Ray Hammond on August 20, 2006, 09:34:00 AM
Post by: 8th Dwarf on August 21, 2006, 12:18:00 PM
Too Short
Post by: Ray Hammond on August 21, 2006, 12:51:00 PM
:bigsmyl:
Post by: 8th Dwarf on August 22, 2006, 07:50:00 AM
Post by: Ray Hammond on August 22, 2006, 01:44:00 PM
I wouldn't talk about xxx rated stuff on here, or anywhere else, bud!
Post by: 8th Dwarf on August 23, 2006, 10:26:00 AM
Too Short
Post by: Ray Hammond on August 23, 2006, 10:39:00 AM
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Post by: chrisg on October 01, 2006, 05:13:00 AM
How do you fix it? Shoot a lot. You can never learn to ride a bike by watching a video or reading a science book, you've got to get up on it and doing your falling off like everyone else!That does not make the scientific explanation wrong or irrelevant. Same as a crappy release or poorly tuned arrow getting poor penetration, that is the scientific result!
I agree with Paul, you have to do a lot of your own practising and then the 'meaning' of the science will be meaningful, lol.Kind of like gravity you don't have to understand it or 'believe in it' it's there anyway.
I am sure our Bushmen in the Kalahari have no clue how scientifically elegant the mechanism of their arrow poison is, but they do know, where to dig for grubs, how to prepare it, that they have to get close, to shoot straight, how to track their game and that it works! That is why they use it.
thanks for the thread fun debates here
Post by: chrisg on October 01, 2006, 06:00:00 AM
You have to do the laps in any sport
"Do or do not, there is no 'try'" Yoda