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Main Boards => The Dark Continent => Topic started by: katman on January 27, 2007, 08:05:00 AM
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Planning my return trip to Africa in 08, Recently switched to a Morrison recurve 55# @ 28", shoots my 544 grain grizzlystick Sitka 175 fps, tippied with a Wensel Woodsman or German Kinetics 2 blade (point weight 300 gr total), can increase the weight to 580 with a weight tube. Both fly very well. I shoot this bow more accuratley. Hunted in 06 with my 59# Pronghorn TD longbow shooting a 620 gr arrow/point, Magnus 1, and took Kudu, Wildebeast, Impala and Dieker. Could have used more energy for the larger animals as the arrow did not punch out the opposite side.
What plains game animals would be considered to large for this setup?. I passed on an Eland last time as I did not think I had enough bow. I will only take broadside or slightly quartering away shots, two balde for larger animals. I am considering getting new limbs from Bob Morrison @60#, do I need the extra energy? (would also increase arrow weight to about 650). Thanks guys.
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I have a Morrison 57# recurve. I set up some grizz stick alaskans to about 635 grains and they shoot fine. After talking a bit with Bob though, for my Africa trip, I'm going to try some Beman Classics 400. Following Bob's direction I can get these between 630 to 680 grains. He was hesitant to build up heavier limbs for me as he said I didn't need them that heavy and 55-57# would be plenty. He was more interested that I wouldn't be overbowed and would be able to make a controlled shot into the vitals with a sharp broadhead.
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Heck, I hunted over there with a 52lb. blacktail, and I had no problems. I used heavy 660 grain arrows. If I were you, I would just shoot a little heavier arrow, and I'm sure you will be fine. Even on the big stuff.
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Poundage is not a problem, I shoot a 62# Assenheimer well. I have an Axis 340 worked up for the Morrison and it weighs in at 653 grain (11.8 gpp), sounds like the arrow I will use, the thin diameter will help with penetration, need to fine tune arrow flight. Also,have a CX heritage 250 that's 725 (13.1 gpp) and a CX 350 that's over 800, now that is heavy.
Thanks for the info.
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Katman, you're good to go man. Go get 'em!
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Bth, I had to drop grn weight to around 480 at 29.5 bop to get the beman 400 mfx classics to spine right out of my morrison td 57 at 28 chronod at 210 fps, Wish after futher investigation that I had got the 340 series to allow for a higher grn weight.
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katman, you should be fine with your setup. i used my morrison 56# @ 28" TD longbow with carbon express safts, wensel woodsmans. i shot completely through a blue wildebeest. i would go for accuracy first. on the carbon express arrows i used the brass insert to add a little more weight.
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Katman,
I agree with everybody else. African plains game are not thick skinned, and any good elk set up should also do the trick on plains game. You may not punch through the off shoulder of an eland or zebra, but you will certainly be able to get into both lungs. As you already know, the trackers don't depend upon a blood trail to track anyway.
Just remember, you won't have a lot of room for error should you hit a shoulder, so aim tight.
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Katman
Your setup sounds right, I went in 07 and spoke to a local who hunts larger planes game, ie Eland; Zebra; Black/Blue Wildebeest etc... His opinion is that the bow poundage isn't as important as a very well placed heavy arrow!
750gr+ should be ample.
He shoots a selfbow under 60#, but he doesn't shoot anything under 700gr.!
Good luck and enjoy!
J
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Katman...
I've been over there 14 or 15 times and feel like I have gotten my tackle and info pretty well squared up. Personally, I would tell anyone who asked that you need to be a minumum of 60 pounds and 600 grains. I'm 64 years old and shooting a 74 pound Morrison recurve. My arrows are 640 grains. I would definitely NOT recommend the Wensel Woodsman...regardless of the fact that the twins have been buddies for 30 years. Multi-blade heads just don't perform as well on those critters over there. I use the wide Magnus 135 grain on everything except Cape Buffalo. For that I use the 125 grain.
Now...if I, at 64 years old and 5'4" tall can easily shoot a 74 pound bow, then you, who are obviously much younger and bigger, can easily handle 60-65 pounds. Get that arrow weight up to at least 600...or more. Use a two blade and you will be very impressed with the results.
I have some incredible photos of a three blade head that hid an Elk scapula that really demonstrates my point. Since I am technically challenged, I don't know how to put them in here. If you want to see them, email me at [email protected] have someone post them for me.
Just opinions...but based on a lot of experience on the Dark Continent!
Cheers...
Too Short
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Too Short,
I have to agree with you. I shot an impala through the front shoulder and into the spine with a wensel woodsman. All the vents on the woodsman were bent and, even more importantly, they were dull. I think the problem is the woodsman is only 43 Rockwell. I have since gone back to 2-blade heads with 52 rockwell like the Eclipse.
Rick
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Bingo, Rick...or as they say here in New Zealand, "Bob's your uncle, mate!" Means the same thing, anyway!
Again...if any of you know how to post photos in this thread, email me and I'll email you the Elk shoulder blade photos.
Keep the baby, Faith!
Too Short
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Paul,
PM send regarding the photo posting
Falk
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Paul,
I am leaning towards going to 60 pound limbs on the Morrison. After all why not if I can shoot/handle it well. I have been wanting to upgrade to Bob's new recurve limbs anyway, with snake skin backing, but that might scare the trackers away. How about matching black mamba skins?
Also will plan on 650 + arrow weight. Still deciding on broadhead.
Gery
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I have the skin from a TEN FOOTER that came part way into my blind. We shotgunned him and his TEN FOOT mate at the blind the next day.
It ain't very pretty skin. Cobra is actually quite pretty.
Too Short
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I am going using 60# Widow and my "Too Short" 715 grn. arrows. I asked Paul all these questions last summer. I listened...
These heavy arrows have been scary deadly on deer. Africa will be the same I am sure.
Sanderlin III
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Here are the photos I got from Paul to post them for him:
(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/7513/brunnersnufferscapula2wn6.jpg) (http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4320/brunnersnufferscapula3iw8.jpg)
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A guy named Falk from Germany is going to post the photos I talked about...the ones showing the three blade head and a scapula...
Too Short
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8th,
5'4"? When is the last time you checked? At 64, I'd bet you really are TFS! :biglaugh:
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:confused: Am I the only one who can SEE Pauls pics ABOVE his last posting?! :confused:
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I see it. Sobering; would be interesting to see what a two-bladed BH would have done under the same conditions.
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Oh, Jeff...you are courting disaster! Just remember that when you pick on a short person, it is just another form of child abuse!
"Rache ist ein gerricht das du kalt essen must."
"Revenge is a meal that is best eaten cold." Or...don't get mad, get even! You have done the unpardonable...you have insulted the 8th Dwarf. A voodoo doll will arrive in your mail shortly.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Too F. Short
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Falk...
Thanks, mate! How's my German spelling? With a name like Brunner, you would think it would be perfect. Achtung!
Hasta la Pasta
Too Short
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Paul,
you are welcome! And you were (almost) perfect! Well done!
But that's no surprise actually - as all other seven Dwarfs were Germans - the 8th would have something in common - besides being a quarter of an inch shorter then my wife ;) :D :o
:goldtooth:
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8th,
Well, OK, but I think you're supposed to hang on to those for 'em to be effective. If you must send, please stick it full of WWs first, I'm getting low! Hey, you once called me a "knuckle-dragger" in ref to my draw length - you know what they say about men with big feet, hands and draw length! :notworthy:
On a serious note, Terry Receveur and I have two openings in our camp at Melorani in July '08. If anyone is interested, drop me a PM.
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I know what they say...all the growth hormones went to their feet, hands, and draw length! In the case of us wee people all the growth hormones had to go SOMEWHERE! heh, heh, heh!
You have to get up real early in the morning to best Sleazy, the 8th Dwarf, you knuckle dragger!
Too Short...but not TOO short, if you get my drift!
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Paul, Paul...growth hormone doesn't work on that particular muscle, I thought that the 8th Dwarf was Sneaky (how else could you have gotten Snow White), and true, you do have to get up real early in the morning to best you - BECAUSE YOU ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GLOBE!!! :jumper:
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Awww...I quit. This is too taxing mentally for me...I'm going trout fishing!
Too Short
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Oh, now that really hurt - it hasn't been above 20 degrees here for a week, and trout season is a month and a half off! Send pics of one of those big NZ browns!
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Here are a couple of pictures of a warthog a friend shot last summer at Melorani after it was shot by another hunter before our arrival. The hog was shot in the shoulder one week before we arrived with a wood arrow and a Wensel Woodsman. I don't know the arrow weight or bow it was shot with by the first hunter and I don't know if a very heavy fast arrow with a 3 blade or the same arrow with a 2 blade would've penetrated any better. The hog had a pretty good limp when it was finished off but other than that it appeared to be in good health and probably would've survived.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b130/tilzbow/Africa2006Marco036-1.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b130/tilzbow/Africa2006Marco037-1.jpg)
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There's no fork in Too Short's tongue. His advice speaks well of his experience.
:thumbsup:
Because of the heavy bone threshold I would personally put minimum arrow mass at 650 grains. Anything works when everything goes right. What I want is something that works when everything goes wrong!
Does anyone note a commonality among the opinions of those of us who have been there a bunch of times and shot a wide verity of big animals? There's no down side for having too much bow, too much arrow or too much penetration. Too little of either is sometimes a BIG downer!
Ed
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That shot would have done the same on a good ol' USA feral hog too.
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55lb - 65lb and 10-12gr/inch on your arrows will do for everthing up to and including Eland. Most important factor - SHOTPLACEMENT, and next to it - broadhead sharpness. Many hunters overlook the sharpness of their broadheads.It must not be razor sharp...it must be "afraid sharp" (you afraid to handle it).
May your arrows fly straight.