Post by: cooter on February 08, 2004, 01:20:00 PM
Here's pic #1. If you can see the measurement on the tape its reading roughly 13-1/4 inches of reflex. A little more than I wanted to tackle. If someone told me sinew is capable of adding another 5 inches of reflex to a bow I'd have thought they were nuts. Not any more.
Post by: '46 on February 08, 2004, 01:27:00 PM
Mannnn...it looks like the sinew stuck this time , huh? :thumbsup:
Post by: cooter on February 08, 2004, 01:38:00 PM
Here's pic #2. I'll be floor tillering this bow for a while I think . This is a picture of the upper limb flexing. My main goal is to get both limbs to straighten out for me. The top limb is looking good, but the lower limb need some scraping yet. Once I get the lower limb to come straight for me I think the trick will be to get the limbs to turn. Then once the limbs have turned I have a sneeking suspission I shouldn't need to do a lot of scraping to bring the bow to final tiller. I guess we'll see.
Any advice as to how I should proceed would be greatly apreciated. After all I am flying blind with this one :bigsmyl:
Marc,
If you have any pics of your banana bow please do so.
Thanks,
Cooter
Post by: Madpigslayer on February 08, 2004, 01:42:00 PM
I will be watching this thread...all the way to the end :D
My friend, I wish you all the luck in the world. :)
Post by: ks chas on February 08, 2004, 02:55:00 PM
Post by: George Tsoukalas on February 08, 2004, 03:16:00 PM
Jawge
Post by: Bob Barnes on February 08, 2004, 03:27:00 PM
Bob
Post by: cooter on February 08, 2004, 03:53:00 PM
Here's a pic after I worked on that lower limb some. Getting closer, I'm holding the top limb and try to keep equal pressure on both limbs when I'm floor tillering this thing. From the pic it almost looks as if the top limb is starting to turn while the bottom isn't quite there yet. I can't beleive my son snuck into that pic like he did. I never saw him and am sure glad the bow didn't decide to go south right then and there. As a fly by the seat of my pants bowyer, she's not looking too bad for right now, but I've only been at it for a day so there is still plenty of time for something to happen that I'm not going to like. :bigsmyl:
George, I'll give you a call later, We still on for next weekend? We're planning to come up Friday and go home Sunday.
Cooter
Post by: Ralph Renfro on February 08, 2004, 04:32:00 PM
You are a work of art my man. You and that dang sinew are book worthy. INCREDIBLE!! KsBow :bigsmyl:
Post by: the Ferret on February 08, 2004, 05:12:00 PM
!["[tunglaff]"]("graemlins/tunglaff.gif" "\"\"")
I showed Dianne the pics and she just keeps mumbling about the carpet..something like "I'd kill him" ha ha
Course I tracked quite a bit of yeller onto our carpet this weekend myself
Here's a trick Marc tought me about checking the limbs bending on a bow like that (over 6" of reflex). Put the bow horizontally in a padded vice, back towards you, then you can push on the limb tips (one at a time) to see how each limb is bending.
Post by: Timo on February 08, 2004, 06:17:00 PM
You don't knapp rocks on that carpet, do you?
Post by: AZStickman on February 08, 2004, 06:33:00 PM
Post by: cooter on February 08, 2004, 07:36:00 PM
Not exactly on the carpet, we got a tile floor in part of the basement that I knap on. Besides, thats what tarps are for and I sure as heck aint going go knapp outside this time of year in Minnesota :scared:
(http://www.ozbow.net/phpbb2/album_pic.php?pic_id=251)
Now for the banana bow, I put it on my tillering tree and jury rigged a harness to set bricks on to see how things are bending. I'll get a pic up later. two things I found out. First is that bottom limb is stiffer than the top and is twisting twords me when looking at the bow on the tree. Now not only do I need to think about taking some weight off that lower limb but where exacty I want to remove that weight from the limb. This bow is definitely going to be a challenge.
Cooter
Post by: Madpigslayer on February 08, 2004, 07:39:00 PM
this is gonna be fun. You might wanna consider some kind of "protection" if you know what I mean....haha.
Post by: lcoast on February 08, 2004, 07:58:00 PM
=keith=
Post by: gifford on February 08, 2004, 08:21:00 PM
Post by: Ralph Renfro on February 08, 2004, 09:48:00 PM
Post by: cooter on February 08, 2004, 10:13:00 PM
I had to read your post about a half dozen times before actually figuring out what you were talking about. That is a good idea, thanks.
AZstickman,
You are correct, well, in a way. My first tillering goal was to get the limbs bending to give me a flat profile and I think I'm there. Now I'm shooting for the turning point, then comes the magic to 18 inch draw length and working on getting her to brace height, then final tillering to draw length/ weight.
For now I got to consider limb twist/tip twist on that lower limb. I did some scraping on her tonight trying to remove wood from the strong side of this lower limb and now it's looser than the top limb but the twist is still there. Now I'm debating if I want to continue scraping the stong side of that limb to see if I can get ride of it's desire to twist or add some sinew to strengthen that area of the bow to eliminate the twist. I guess I do have a third option and thats to sand some sinew of the back side of the limb on the side opposite the direction the twist wants to go? Anyone have some advice on how I should handle that tip twisting.
As promised here is the contraption I'm using to look at how the limbs are bending relative to an applied known weight. Total weight applied is 22 lbs. The lower limb moved maybe 2 inches while the upper limb moved maybe an inch. What I do like about the set up is you can bounce the bricks slightly to watch how the limbs move relative to each other.
BTW, This bow does kick like a mule and has now officially now drawn blood :mad: First time on the tillering tree to boot but don't worry the bow is fine :bigsmyl:
(http://www.ozbow.net/phpbb2/album_pic.php?pic_id=252)
Thanks for all the support and please by all means if you've got any advice, please give it, I think hack might need all the help he can get on this one.
Thanks,
Cooter
Post by: rocdoc on February 08, 2004, 10:18:00 PM
BTW....how long you been outta the institution?? Hope you buy some more life insurance 'fore you start stringin' that thing!
Post by: Chris R on February 08, 2004, 11:23:00 PM
On the limb that's twisting toward you, is the sinew thicker on one side of the limb than the other? If so, it will want to twist toward the weak side. Also, on the stronger limb, how's the wood look compared to the other? If I remember from one of your earlier threads, you've got a boat load of sinew on that puppy. You might want to consider filing the sinew a little to get the tiller more even.
I've never tried it, but this is one bow you might want to consider two sets of nocks on, one for the string, and one for a long string to brace it.
Good luck!! we'll all be watchin :thumbsup:
Chris
Post by: Terry Riley on February 09, 2004, 12:57:00 AM
You're doing a great job so far. Gotta admire a guy who'll try just about anything. I'm pulling for you man....I wanna see the string on that dude.
Terry
Post by: '46 on February 09, 2004, 11:22:00 AM
HA!!! MPS!, we are all here rank amatures next to Cooter when it comes to building bows in the living room, raising the wrath of "Her" and avoiding death.
I've seen that boy attack, with vigor, monster staves...in the house...WITH AN ANGLE GRINDER. :scared: :scared: Now that's serious dust :D
He only is alive today because of her great compassion :)
geo
Post by: John Scifres on February 09, 2004, 12:49:00 PM
Man that is awesome. You've gone a lot farther on that thing than I would have even tried. Stay with it. You are an inspiration :-)
John
Post by: Jason Jelinek on February 09, 2004, 01:09:00 PM
You're first problem is that Bison sweatshirt... You've got to wear a Sioux sweatshirt tillering a sinew backed bow. ;)
Seriously, you should have put siyahs on the ends and horn on the belly when you tackle something with that much reflex. I've gotten to the point where I don't like any glued in reflex, I'll take the set. I've found that the limb thickness taper is very different on my reflexed bows than those with no glued in reflex.
Good luck with that bow, although I think you might find that the handle area may not be stiff enough by the time you get to full draw.
Jason
Post by: '46 on February 09, 2004, 02:59:00 PM
I can't get together this weekend, but would really like to see it in person maybe the next week. I'll call ya later.
Post by: Chris R on February 09, 2004, 03:47:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by George Nagel:LMAO
I've seen that boy attack, with vigor, monster staves...in the house...WITH AN ANGLE GRINDER. :scared: :scared: Now that's serious dust :D
!["[laffsmyl]"]("graemlins/laffsmyl.gif" "\"\"")
Man, I'd be living in the garage if I did that.Chris
Post by: cooter on February 09, 2004, 05:03:00 PM
Thanks for the kind words. I'm actually speachless if you can beleive that. I'm not use to being talked to like this and think its shocking my system :knothead:
Jason,
I've thought about that a lot. I have no idea how much compression osage can handle and have got to beleive these tips are going to need to travel some where between 20 to 24 inches before I reach draw length, which I'm sure is going to put the belly under tremendous compression stresses. As for the handle, I wanted a bow that was bendy in the handle to help distribute some of the limb stresses. What has yet to be defined is how much is it going to bend in the handle. I was thinking if the handle got too bendy, I'd put a flat spot in the handle with the bench sander and glue on another hunk of osage for added strength. Then again I'm not sure how much I want too push my luck with this bow.
Chris,
Yep she already has double nocks and the sinew is thicker on the back side of that limb, thus its desire to want to twist. I'm going to be sanding some but am afraid I'll still be needing to add a touch of sinew to the twisting side of the limb tip. I think I may have missed a spot with a couple courses of sinew there's that much visual differance between the sinew thickness of those two edges. If you know what I mean.
George,
You know I did the angle grinding on that osage in the basement bathroom and with both doors closed. It wasn't my fault the construction crew that built our house didn't make that room air tight like it should have been to begin with :) So it's their fault our house took on a unique shade of yellow on the inside. I liked it but since ma didn't so I had to vacuum it up. Man, there's no satisfying her :bigsmyl: Tell you what, I'll keep my Saturdays open for the next few weeks and when it works out give me a shout and we'll make a day of it.
Cooter
PS No more banana bow insight till this twist has been corrected. I will keep everyone updated if the's going to need some more sinew
Post by: cooter on February 09, 2004, 07:56:00 PM
BTW, out of curiosity what does the lightest bow weigh that you own and what is its draw weight? Right now this bow weighs in at 420gram or roughly 14.4 ounces. Man, I hope this bow survives to fling some arrows and doesn't develop compression fractures.
Thanks again everyone for your support,
Cooter
Post by: Ralph Renfro on February 09, 2004, 11:42:00 PM
Post by: cooter on February 10, 2004, 05:10:00 PM
With regards to that sweatshirt, it's good karma where do you think the best sinew comes from? a Bison or a Souix :bigsmyl: We won't ask how many national football championships the Souix won when I was in attendance between '83 and '86.
Ralph,
In the fade area the sinew is between 4-5mm while the wood is around 12-14, at the tips the sinew is 2-3mm while thw wood is 10-12mm. Don't know if that will help anyone answer my compression issue question of a post or two ago.
Well, here's another pic for those that are interested. I wanted to keep the limbs as horizontal as possible when my 6 yr old took the picture. They were pretty close. Anyway from the pic, at least to myself the tiller looks as even as I could get it for now. What do you think? and please no BS give it to me as you see it if you see something I don't. I need as much help as I can get with this baby.
Thanks,
Cooter
(http://www.ozbow.net/phpbb2/album_pic.php?pic_id=271)
Post by: LoneWolf on February 10, 2004, 05:47:00 PM
Keep up the good work man
Post by: Hackbow on February 10, 2004, 06:36:00 PM
The only thing I could even think to point out to you is on both limbs, 10-12" in from the nocks it looks like a POSSIBILITY of early hinge development. On the left limb it right about where the stave crosses in front of the little Christmas tree and on the right limb it's just to the right of the moose lamp. It seems to me that if you don't keep the whole limb working perfectly together, that any weaker area will want to let go when you start a serious draw.
I have no experience with anything even resembling this, so take it for what it's worth. Good Luck!!!
Post by: the Ferret on February 10, 2004, 06:52:00 PM
Don't hear that on this forum very often :bigsmyl:
Post by: cooter on February 10, 2004, 09:16:00 PM
Thanks for pointing that out. I took a closer look at that last pic and your right, it does look like the begining of a pair a hinge's. I'll take that into consideration tomarrow when I do some more scraping. With luck maybe I'll them limbs bending in the right direction
Thanks again for pointing those two spots out to me,
Cooter
Post by: cooter on February 11, 2004, 04:18:00 PM
Please if you read this give me some input,
Thanks,
Cooter
(http://www.ozbow.net/phpbb2/album_pic.php?pic_id=279)
Post by: the Ferret on February 11, 2004, 04:34:00 PM
Post by: Chris R on February 11, 2004, 05:40:00 PM
Chris
Post by: DCM on February 11, 2004, 06:11:00 PM
Very minor stuff at this point but it looks soft at the red mark and flat at the green.
Looks like the nocks are flipped up a little?
http://home.midsouth.rr.com/ddmims/sb.JPG
Post by: cooter on February 11, 2004, 07:58:00 PM
DCM,
Your right those tips are flipped up. The first time I sinewed this bow(third time now) I wanted to make a static recurve so I put 3" of both tips into maybe an inch or so of recurving. Now with out realizing how much reflex this thing was going to take I'm not to sure that I'm glad I did that. Oh well, Too late now to worry about that. Anyway, when I put the sinew on I did a sinew wrap at those bends to be sure the sinew stays put.
BTY I'm not sure how much weight brought the tips to that possition. however, I got three bricks on the tillering string(21lbs) plus I'm pushing down fairly hard. If I had to guess I'd say around 40 lbs. I'm am planning to tighten that tillering string up some later tonight and might see if I can some how manage to get it on a scale. Might be hard to do without having her flip on me. Beleive me guys when I tell you I know what this might be like. The second time this had sinew on it had maybe 6 inches of reflex ans she wanted to flip worse than a fish out of water.
I'll post another pic later tonight with maybe a draw weight, if I'm lucky :bigsmyl:
Cooter
Post by: Madpigslayer on February 11, 2004, 08:04:00 PM
Post by: cooter on February 11, 2004, 08:24:00 PM
Sorry, I was slightly off on the weight. I used a bathroom scale and a short hunk of 2X4 to check the weight. I balanced the bow on the 2X4 and attempted to push both tips down with equal pressure. To get the limbs to roughly horizontal brought the scale to 50lbs. So now, I guess I'll try to target a finished bow in the neighborhood of 60#@28".
Mickey,
And you thought I'd be flying blind on working her to weight(so did I but lets not tell anyone). I might not be able to check her using a string and pulling the bow down so I might as well balancer her on her handle and push the tips down instead :bigsmyl:
Cooter
Post by: Hackbow on February 11, 2004, 11:25:00 PM
Isn't it about time you put on the helmet and safety goggles? :knothead:
Cal....I liked the "8 seconds" comment!!!
Post by: Marc on February 12, 2004, 07:09:00 AM
This is what I do to start off with, I know it's a bit late but what else is new :) .
(http://marc.stoneflake.net/Bows%202/Build%20Along/16.jpg)
With the clamped in my vise I grab the tips and bend them by hand to work the wood and see how they are bending. Then still using my vise I use my long string and T stick like this until I get it up to brace height.
(http://marc.stoneflake.net/Bows%202/Build%20Along/17.jpg)
Looks like you have already jumped that hurdle though.
I then use this device, that I built especially for highly reflexed bows, to brace the bow.
(http://marc.stoneflake.net/Bows%202/Build%20Along/18.jpg)
Once the bow is braced it gets a lot easier.
Post by: cooter on February 12, 2004, 03:46:00 PM
I should have told you to go a head and start the build along then jumped in. I like those forms you've got and wish I had a set up like that. guess I'll just have to make due with what I've got and improvise when in doubt.
I think I've got the tiller straightened out. But got to tell you the 'ol rectal spyncter is sure pickering tighter than a snare drum when I took this next pic. She started to snap, crackle, and pop pretty good and being so close and all. Lets just say I don't want to catch a limb if she goes south. Especially after catching a limb across the nose when she flipped on me the first time I put her on the tillering tree.
Again all comments and insights are greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Cooter
(http://www.ozbow.net/phpbb2/album_pic.php?pic_id=282)
Post by: cooter on February 12, 2004, 04:07:00 PM
Cooter
Post by: John Scifres on February 12, 2004, 04:24:00 PM
Watch out for going too fast. These reflex bows can fool ya. I think midlimb on both needs to bend a bit. Keep at ti. Get a string on her as soon as possible. Then it's as easy as fallin' off a horse. Oops, bad analogy. :)
John
Post by: Chris R on February 12, 2004, 04:27:00 PM
Bet that sucker is gonna shoot an arrow with some serious thump :thumbsup:
Chris
Post by: cooter on February 12, 2004, 06:49:00 PM
Cooter
Post by: Chris Wilson on February 12, 2004, 06:56:00 PM
Post by: Raven on February 12, 2004, 07:06:00 PM
Man I bet that made a lump :eek: Good luck and be SAFE......Raven
Post by: Marc on February 12, 2004, 07:07:00 PM
Post by: horseapple on February 12, 2004, 07:28:00 PM
JD
Post by: rocdoc on February 12, 2004, 08:41:00 PM
Post by: ks chas on February 12, 2004, 10:08:00 PM
Post by: the Ferret on February 12, 2004, 10:44:00 PM
Post by: Hackbow on February 12, 2004, 11:35:00 PM
Post by: Chris R on February 12, 2004, 11:40:00 PM
Chris
Post by: cooter on February 13, 2004, 06:58:00 AM
Marc,
I think I'll heed your advice and lengthen out this tillering string for a little while longer. With the long string how do you prevent the bow from becoming whip tillered? Whenever I've used one the bow always seem to come out whip tillered so I try to throw a short string them ASAP. I guess you could say I learned the hard way that thinking might not be appropriet with these kind of bows.
Thanks again guys for all the help,
Cooter
PS I'll be climbing back into the ring after work tonight and will try to post a pic or two after I get this tiller straightened out.
Post by: Marc on February 13, 2004, 07:03:00 AM
Post by: cooter on February 13, 2004, 05:35:00 PM
this thread is all yours now Marc, Or maybe you want to start your own how to thread on how it should be done.
Cooter
(http://www.ozbow.net/phpbb2/album_pic.php?pic_id=286)
Post by: Tedd on February 13, 2004, 06:09:00 PM
Post by: Dano on February 13, 2004, 06:31:00 PM
Post by: Madpigslayer on February 13, 2004, 06:43:00 PM
Hey, no guts no glory!
Post by: cooter on February 13, 2004, 07:03:00 PM
A person just has to look at the bright side from time to time :bigsmyl:
Cooter
Post by: cooter on February 13, 2004, 07:13:00 PM
Cooter
Post by: Linc on February 13, 2004, 07:25:00 PM
Post by: Dano on February 13, 2004, 07:29:00 PM
Post by: Chris R on February 13, 2004, 07:43:00 PM
Chris
Post by: the Ferret on February 13, 2004, 07:46:00 PM
Remember what Bro Randy said Cooter..."it ain't broke till I say it's broke" :mad:
Post by: Hackbow on February 13, 2004, 07:47:00 PM
Post by: Marc on February 13, 2004, 08:10:00 PM
Post by: Flinttim on February 13, 2004, 09:15:00 PM
Post by: John Scifres on February 13, 2004, 09:48:00 PM
Dang boy! I admire your persisitence. What ever happened to that Cooter Skin of yours? At least you just glue it down. No stripping :) You'll love that moose sinew. It is 3 times easier than deer sinew.
Post by: Timo on February 13, 2004, 09:58:00 PM
I think it was Winston Churchill that said,
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another,with no loss of enthusiasm"
That's got Cooter all over it!Keep trying boy! :thumbsup:
Post by: cooter on February 13, 2004, 09:59:00 PM
As the saying goes, " the shows not over till the fat lady sings" and I haven't heard her sing yet :bigsmyl:
:help:
Cooter
Post by: Flinttim on February 14, 2004, 06:22:00 AM
Worked for me on a 50" hickory Modoc/Hupa type bow. 50# @ 26"
Post by: Marc on February 14, 2004, 06:41:00 AM
As Tim says. The sinew is already glued up. It will be like gluing a backing on wood.
Unless you are sure of getting a good fit then I would go with the Epoxy. In fact hide glue may give you fits since it will gell before you can lay the backing back down. If you had some liquid hide glue or some Fish glue then you may have better success since it will give you a longer work time to get things aligned. In any case make sure you prep the wood well, score then degrease.
Post by: gifford on February 14, 2004, 09:04:00 AM
Marc-never thought of epoxy when mine came loose in a similar manner. That is a good tip, thanks for sharing it.
Post by: cooter on February 14, 2004, 09:32:00 AM
Lets just say I want to get all my ducks in a row before proceeding. if you know what I mean,
Thanks for the help,
Cooter
Post by: Marc on February 14, 2004, 09:47:00 AM
When I degrease an Oily wood such as Osage I use Lye and rinse with warm water for the very reason that you mention, it raises the grain of the wood. Something else is don't forget to degrease the underside of the sinew as it may have some oils from the Osage on it. I see no advantage in using hotter glue, you may want to use a thicker glue though. Once the backing is glued down and wrapped up you could warm the whole bow up to get the hide glue to re-liquify and get a proper bond.
Post by: lcoast on February 14, 2004, 09:49:00 AM
I would suggest not raising any wood to apply glue to. Glue works best on a solid smooth clean surface. Wood workers make their surfaces like glass. The story in TBB about applying hide glue to glass and it lifting pieces of glass when it dries is real. Raised wood is weak wood.
=keith=
Post by: Marc on February 14, 2004, 10:08:00 AM
Post by: cooter on February 14, 2004, 10:43:00 AM
I guess thats one thing I don't get with this bow. Before sinewing I've scrubbed the back with a strong lye solution that I made at work 3 times of which water was used between each washing then 3 washings using acetone. I like abraiding the two surfaces when I do a glue up. IMO, that should increase the actual surface area for the glue to bond to which should actually give a stronger glue joint than two smooth as glass surfaces being glued together.
I just might use the hot gun to slightly heat the wood and sinew once I've got the bow wrapped and tied in place. Don't worry I wont heat it like I would for bending. just enought to get both surfaces warm to the touch.
Thanks again for the help,
Cooter
Post by: DCM on February 14, 2004, 04:12:00 PM
I had a sinew backing peel off while it was curing. Prep the bow again, with the hacksaw treatment. I'm not sure the lye wash is as important if you get down to clean wood and score it up good. Steam the bow good before you start to get it nice and warm. Make sure you get any extra glue off the sinew. Bath it in hot water until it gets just soft enough to be limber. Size the bow well with good glue (Knox works for me) the proper temperature (not more than 120). I like to mix if fairly thick, like hotcake syrup. Size the sinew well and put them back together. Wrap tightly with an ACE bandage and give it a few days to set. If you'll lay off that maximum reflex gig you'll be fine. If you go for 10" of reflex you are asking a lot of the material and design.
Did a lot of sinew stay with the bow or was it a clean separation?
Bummer dude. Persevere.
Post by: the Ferret on February 14, 2004, 05:09:00 PM
Post by: Flinttim on February 14, 2004, 05:53:00 PM
Thick glue and lots of it, and hide glue.We're talking about bonding wood to protein here. I can't say epoxy wouldn't do that but I know hide glue will.If it's good enough to lam wood to horn (as in composite bows) it's more than adequate for this application.
And as David said , keep the heat gun away from it. Heat is the enemy of sinew.
Post by: Marc on February 14, 2004, 06:20:00 PM
Cooter. You say that you roughed up the back before sinewing. That could be the problem. You should rough up the back then degrease. Doing it the other way just exposes oily wood.
Post by: cooter on February 14, 2004, 07:11:00 PM
Then wrap in cotton gauze. With this bow I think I'l wrap it from handle to one tip then handle to second tip. I've been working on it off and on throughout the with some pic's that I'll post later tonight or in the morning.
Cooter
Post by: Timo on February 14, 2004, 07:21:00 PM
The toothing plane will work, just take the plane out of the body, and use it as a scraper.Hacksaw blade will also suffice.
Post by: cooter on February 15, 2004, 07:37:00 AM
Things just keep getting better and better :bigsmyl:
Cooter
Post by: Flinttim on February 15, 2004, 08:06:00 AM
Post by: cooter on February 15, 2004, 10:44:00 AM
Ya, I was hopping the 'Ol Coot an his side kick(or should that be the other way around) sorry, brain fart. Anyway wish they would have chimed in here, shaking their heads in dis beleif, and offered up a few words of wisdom to this Square headed yankee from Minnesota :bigsmyl: Such as maybe, burn her.
I got one small gap that needs filling with hide glue and re wrapping. By the time I got through with her last night my fingers were numb. My hands are still soar this morning. If I was smart I think I'd have tried to do one limb at a time.
Talk to you later,
Cooter
Post by: cooter on February 15, 2004, 11:08:00 PM
(http://www.ozbow.net/phpbb2/album_pic.php?pic_id=302)
I think I'm in love with Moose Sinew. This might sound strange, weard, or right out of the
Twilight Zone, but everything from pounding, pulling, soaking, and applying this sinew gave me a sense of good carma, if you know what I mean it.
Take care all,
Cooter
Post by: the Ferret on February 16, 2004, 07:58:00 AM
What are all the little lines on the side of the bow, is that wrapped?
Post by: John Scifres on February 16, 2004, 09:08:00 AM
Moose sinew is awesome. I like it so much more than deer. It is actually fun to do. I had the kids stripping sinew yesterday. My 8 year old was doing QA/QC on my work making sure the strands were thin enough. I sinewed a bow with it last night. Took about 1.5 hours and just a bit more than 1 tendon. It already looks great this morning. I'm sure it will be really pretty just because it's so long and less chopped up on the back.
John
Post by: cooter on February 16, 2004, 12:33:00 PM
Yup, the bow's wrapped. Say, I thought you said you had some moose sinew in some thread a while back. That's why I'm using it. If you've never tried it, give it a go, awsome stuff. Brush nock's? you wouldn't by chance have a picture?
John,
I wanted to built up midlimb(thanks Rusty for the advice) with some short pieces. I soak what I swear were bundles maybe 6 inches in length dry. However, most went on wet maybe 12-16 inches. I know the one was close to 20+ because I centered it on the handle and layed it nearly midlimb to midlimb. Now I'll keep my fingers crossed that I don't end up with another bananas. Is it me, or does this moose sinew cure clear?
Cooter
Post by: Marc on February 16, 2004, 01:42:00 PM
Post by: George Tsoukalas on February 16, 2004, 04:11:00 PM
Jawge
Post by: cooter on February 16, 2004, 06:33:00 PM
I'm going with shear statistics and probability here. Maybe throw in a little stuborness and a touch of pigheadedness into the equation as well. Anyway, you could go as far as saying it's become an absession. I will make a sinew backed osage arra flinger in my lifetime and thats all there is to it.
Cooter
Post by: George Tsoukalas on February 16, 2004, 07:19:00 PM
Jawge
Post by: cooter on February 16, 2004, 08:33:00 PM
The bow and form in the last picture is setting on my tillering tree. Works slick, set a level where I clamp the handle, then set the level on the board with lines, Clamp the bow in place, attach the tillering string, and usually sand back 4-10 feet to work the limbs depending on where I'm at in the process. I find myself standing further away when early tillering and closer to the bow when final tilling.
Cooter
Post by: George Tsoukalas on February 16, 2004, 08:49:00 PM
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