Post by: wingnut on December 28, 2005, 12:19:00 PM
Here's the plan if I can get some other bowyers to chip in.
Bamboo backed, osage or yew, right and left handed, R/D, 50 #s, 64", exotic handle, power lam and underlays.
I'll supply the bamboo and do the glue up if others will donate the other parts.
Then we could pass it around, tillering and finishing, etc. All done with build along pics for a thread on the TradGang. Getting it done in time for the auction.
What do you think?
Mike
Post by: Tom Leemans on December 28, 2005, 12:27:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on December 28, 2005, 12:30:00 PM
I don't know, something special for sure. Let's see what people have in the shop.
Mike
Post by: Dave Bulla on December 28, 2005, 12:56:00 PM
Post by: AZStickman on December 28, 2005, 01:13:00 PM
Post by: Tom Leemans on December 28, 2005, 01:26:00 PM
Post by: tuselton on December 28, 2005, 01:31:00 PM
I offered an Osage stave on the other thread. Offer is still good.
Your Friend in Sport,
Terry L. Uselton
Post by: Tom Leemans on December 28, 2005, 02:01:00 PM
Post by: Littlefeather on December 28, 2005, 02:04:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on December 28, 2005, 02:51:00 PM
Mike
Post by: Skinny Little Runt on December 28, 2005, 03:09:00 PM
Post by: Littlefeather on December 28, 2005, 05:24:00 PM
Post by: Mike Byrge@home on December 28, 2005, 05:53:00 PM
Hope it will work..
Post by: Timo on December 28, 2005, 07:11:00 PM
Post by: the Ferret on December 28, 2005, 07:23:00 PM
Post by: AZStickman on December 28, 2005, 07:30:00 PM
PS.... Having never myself ever built a BB anything I'd feel more competent helping with the Osage Selfbow project and letting someone with more experience with the BB bows jump on the BBY team.
Post by: wingnut on December 28, 2005, 08:06:00 PM
That's a good idea!! You want to coordinate the Selfbow Project? I'll do the BBY project coordination.
Timo,
Them carp skins sure look good on the back of the bamboo. I built one for myself a couple of years back and ended up breaking the bow. Bummer!
Anyway if you could install them too.
Mike
Post by: Timo on December 28, 2005, 08:09:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on December 28, 2005, 08:32:00 PM
Thanks,
Mike
Post by: Dano on December 28, 2005, 08:34:00 PM
Post by: Bigriver on December 28, 2005, 08:35:00 PM
Post by: AZStickman on December 28, 2005, 08:58:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on December 28, 2005, 10:10:00 PM
Mike/Tim - Yew board
Tonkin Bamboo Back
Timo - carp skins
CK - snakewood overlay or underlay
Tom - horn tips
Dave Bulla - Leather L/R arrow rest
The board will be heading my way later in the week so I can get it cut, spliced, tapered and ready for glue up.
Anyone have a hankerin to do some tillerin?
Mike
Post by: Timo on December 28, 2005, 10:12:00 PM
Post by: horseapple on December 28, 2005, 10:12:00 PM
Joe Don
Post by: Timo on December 28, 2005, 10:13:00 PM
Post by: '46 on December 29, 2005, 12:21:00 AM
Post by: clintopher on December 29, 2005, 02:38:00 AM
Clint
Post by: Tom Leemans on December 29, 2005, 05:21:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on December 29, 2005, 09:02:00 AM
Team BBY so far:
Mike/Tim - Yew board
CK - snakewood overlay or underlay
Wingnut- Tonkin Bamboo Back and glue up
JD - tiller
Tom - horn tips with string keeper
Timo - carp skins
Dave Bulla - Leather L/R arrow rest
CK - finish work
Did I forget anyone?
The board will be heading my way later in the week so I can get it cut, spliced, tapered and ready for glue up.
As soon as I get the stuff I will establish a timeline to get this stuff done in time.
When is the auction?
Going to need some arrows, bow sock, etc.
Mike
Post by: Skinny Little Runt on December 29, 2005, 09:28:00 AM
Chuck
Post by: Littlefeather on December 29, 2005, 09:32:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on December 29, 2005, 09:33:00 AM
We are going to bring the bow in at 50 plus or minus a couple. So 50-55 should be perfect.
Thanks,
Mike
Post by: Tim Clark on December 29, 2005, 10:17:00 AM
I have no doubt that it will.
God Bless.
Post by: Skinny Little Runt on December 29, 2005, 10:45:00 AM
Post by: John Sturtevant on December 29, 2005, 11:08:00 AM
Post by: Dano on December 29, 2005, 11:19:00 AM
Post by: ber643 on December 29, 2005, 11:50:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on December 29, 2005, 12:25:00 PM
A horn belly would sure push the price up at the auction. When do you want the bow in the process and at what weight? I'll get it glued and such send it to him to get the tiller and weight ready for you to add the horn. How's that sound?
Dano,
A sock and string would be great.
Mike
Post by: Tom Leemans on December 29, 2005, 01:03:00 PM
Post by: John Sturtevant on December 29, 2005, 01:34:00 PM
Suspect the BB/Yew/horn may be a nice combination.
What will you use for handle material?
Snakewood underlays on the tips?
Post by: wingnut on December 29, 2005, 01:39:00 PM
I have some snakewood coming from CK that will handle the underlays. What do you think would look good in the handle?
Mike
Post by: John Scifres on December 29, 2005, 02:34:00 PM
Post by: Littlefeather on December 29, 2005, 03:03:00 PM
Post by: Jason Jelinek on December 29, 2005, 03:55:00 PM
The whole idea about using yew is to give it a belly that is more elastic in compression than most other woods. Putting horn on it already does that, so why waste the yew in the middle.
I would suggest putting something that isn't as precious as yew between the bamboo and horn.
Just my 2 cents.
Jason
Post by: wingnut on December 29, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
The horn will add a bit of fire to the combination. It will be probably .080 and add a few pounds. The yew will still be doing work and will make for a very light in the hand super fast wood bow.
Mike
Post by: Jason Jelinek on December 29, 2005, 04:47:00 PM
How much set (difference between finished profile and glued up profile) do you get on your horn bellied bows? Is it less than if you just used wood?
Jason
Post by: Jason Jelinek on December 29, 2005, 04:53:00 PM
Jason
Post by: wingnut on December 29, 2005, 04:53:00 PM
The horn bellies have about half the set of the all wood bows. Or from a different view, they retain twice as much reflex.
Mike
Post by: Jason Jelinek on December 29, 2005, 05:04:00 PM
It would be interesting to see if you would get the same performance using a horn-bellied bow with a lesser quality core wood (in compression) like walnut or red elm and still get near the performance as a horn-bellied bow with osage, yew, or bulletwood core.
Thanks for the info Mike!
Jason
Post by: wingnut on December 29, 2005, 05:21:00 PM
Now horn is new to us and we only have a few bows built. But it is smokin hot for a natural material and really whistles the arrows.
Mike
Post by: Pinecone on December 29, 2005, 05:58:00 PM
Just wish June would be here a little sooner....
Claudia
Post by: Dano on December 29, 2005, 06:32:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on December 29, 2005, 06:36:00 PM
With the horn we might even bring it in in the high 40s. It will shoot like a 55+ BBO and a 60+ selfbow.
Mike
Post by: AZStickman on December 29, 2005, 07:37:00 PM
Post by: Pinecone on December 29, 2005, 08:48:00 PM
!["[laffsmyl]"]("graemlins/laffsmyl.gif" "\"\"")
I can't wait!!!!Claudia
Post by: rainman on December 30, 2005, 12:09:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on December 30, 2005, 09:10:00 AM
The handle on this one is 1"x 2"x 12".
Thanks,
Mike
Post by: wingnut on December 30, 2005, 08:07:00 PM
Mike
Post by: Timo on December 30, 2005, 11:07:00 PM
The skins really need to go on after the overlays,(tips)and just before the finish.
Post by: wingnut on December 31, 2005, 09:07:00 AM
1) Yew board - Mike/Tim
2) glue up with Tonkin Bamboo Back - Wingnut
3) tiller to 40s flat belly - JD
4) Add horn belly,snakewood underlay and final tiller - John S
5) horn tips with string keeper - Tom
6) Leather L/R arrow rest - Dave Bulla
7) Timo - carp skins
8) finish work - CK
9) Bow sock and string - Dano
10) Self nock arrows - SLR
Any additions or changes required?
Mike
Post by: Timo on December 31, 2005, 09:09:00 AM
Somewere it was mentioned about a armguard? I talked with New guy last night, and he said that he could doit if needed?
Post by: wingnut on January 04, 2006, 04:23:00 PM
Dan Raney donated a piece of snakewood for the handle to go with the underlays.
The yew board arrived here in Texas safe and sound.
I'll start the bow and the pics tomorrow.
Mike
Post by: kojac on January 04, 2006, 05:00:00 PM
sure sounds like the makings of a great bow
brian
Post by: wingnut on January 04, 2006, 05:40:00 PM
I think we have all the makings now. Thanks for the offer. Russian olive is some very nice stuff.
Mike
Post by: Littlefeather on January 05, 2006, 06:44:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on January 05, 2006, 11:04:00 AM
Send it to:
Mike Westvang
Dryad Bows
231 rambling loop
weatherford, TX 76087
Thanks,
Mike
Post by: John Scifres on January 05, 2006, 11:18:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on January 05, 2006, 11:54:00 AM
Mike
Post by: wingnut on January 05, 2006, 01:10:00 PM
Here is a reenactment: LOL
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd1.jpg)
cut in half:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd2.jpg)
selected billet:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd3.jpg)
Post by: wingnut on January 05, 2006, 01:14:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd5.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd6.jpg)
Post by: wingnut on January 05, 2006, 01:15:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd7.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd8.jpg)
Post by: wingnut on January 05, 2006, 01:18:00 PM
In the mean time we need a bamboo back.
We lay out the outline using the pattern on the selected piece.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd9.jpg)
Now cut outside the line 1/16 or so with the bandsaw.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd10.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd11.jpg)
rip the bamboo to thin it a bit. (BE CAREFUL!!)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd12.jpg)
Post by: wingnut on January 05, 2006, 01:22:00 PM
first square to the handle lines
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd13.jpg)
Then the limb taper
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd14.jpg)
Now thin to about 1/32"
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd15.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/yewbrd16.jpg)
Post by: wingnut on January 05, 2006, 01:23:00 PM
Mike
Post by: John Sturtevant on January 05, 2006, 01:25:00 PM
Glad to see you’re wearing a dust mask.
Your gloves appear to be getting a little thin on the fingers?
Post by: Littlefeather on January 05, 2006, 01:29:00 PM
Post by: Mike Byrge on January 05, 2006, 03:02:00 PM
Looks good so far
Post by: Dano on January 05, 2006, 03:41:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on January 05, 2006, 03:49:00 PM
Mike
Post by: JasonV on January 05, 2006, 04:11:00 PM
Just a thought, but if someone put together a CD or a printout of the build-along for this bow and include it in the final package, it might be a nice bonus for the winning bidder.
If ya'll want, I could give it a try - but my computer savvy ends at smacking the monitor when it doesn't do what I want, so I might need to solicit help from someone with a bigger brain than mine....
Let me know.
Post by: wingnut on January 05, 2006, 04:31:00 PM
John Scifres is going to capture the build along on his website. I don't know if I screwed it up by posting it here. Hopefully he can capture it or I can send it to him.
Mike
Post by: wingnut on January 10, 2006, 09:28:00 AM
After a little clean up tomorrow it will be in the mail to JD.
I'll have pics of yesterdays and todays events.
Mike
Post by: clintopher on January 10, 2006, 10:44:00 AM
Post by: Tom Leemans on January 10, 2006, 10:46:00 AM
Post by: clintopher on January 10, 2006, 10:50:00 AM
Clint
Post by: wingnut on January 10, 2006, 11:09:00 AM
When we run it though on the taper board, two swipes and it's clean and ready.
Mike
Post by: wingnut on January 10, 2006, 01:43:00 PM
Anyway now we need to do the "Z" splice.
We taped the slats together so that the tapered sides were mated in the center and measured and marked the 4" line for the splice.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd18.jpg)
Using the calipers we marked the center of the board at the end and the 4" line and drew a line.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd19.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd20.jpg)
We then mark the angles from center to edge and from point to center.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd21.jpg)
It should look like this:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd23.jpg)
Post by: wingnut on January 10, 2006, 01:51:00 PM
On the center line you want to cut the center out of it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd24.jpg)
The angle cuts stay on the waste side for a good fit.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd25.jpg)
WHen your done it looks like this:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd26.jpg)
Mix a little Urac 185 and get a good coat on all mated edges.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd27.jpg)
I use a board to clamp too that is 1/8" narrower then the board and use plastic wrap to keep glue from getting all over.
The first clamp fastens one end to our board. tap the second piece gently into place and use a second clamp to hold it down. Wrap the plastic wrap over and the board and use your fingers to make sure the splice is down and in place.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd28.jpg)
Add 3 or more clamps to hold from the sides.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd29.jpg)
In the hot box and it's done in a couple of hours.
Post by: wingnut on January 10, 2006, 01:57:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd30.jpg)
A little cleanup on the big sander
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd31.jpg)
And it looks like this
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd32.jpg)
Here is the slat, bamboo and powerlam (I know I forget to show building the powerlam) ready for glue up.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd33.jpg)
Post by: wingnut on January 10, 2006, 01:58:00 PM
Mike
Post by: TexMex on January 10, 2006, 02:16:00 PM
Post by: Orso on January 10, 2006, 02:19:00 PM
Somewhere down the road or maybe on a seperate thread would you please post a pic of your taperboard and how you use it???
What a great thread this is.
Thanks,
Post by: wingnut on January 10, 2006, 03:09:00 PM
Mike,
I could show ya but then I'd have to kill ya.
LOL
Mike
Post by: wingnut on January 10, 2006, 03:34:00 PM
First get slat laid out center and straight on the jig. Then apply an even layer of Urac 185 with the handy dandy paint brush.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd34.jpg)
Do the same for the power lam
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd35.jpg)
And bamboo, then set the pwer lam and bamboo center on the slat.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd36.jpg)
Tape it in place at the contact points. Put a clamp every two inches or so with a pressure plate. It looks like this:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd37.jpg)
Then in the box it goes
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd38.jpg)
Notice it's bunk mate. First edition 58" contest bow. LOL
Mike
Post by: wingnut on January 10, 2006, 07:59:00 PM
LOL
Mike
Post by: Tim Clark on January 10, 2006, 08:19:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by wingnut:???? What's dropping like a rock?
Dang I can't believe this is dropping like a rock. I put to much time in doing the build along for this.
LOL
Mike
Fascinating... I don't use power tools much at all, so to watch you (well, to see the pics I should say), it really is fascinating how precise they make it all come out. Lotta skill there, too!
Fingers -- yeah, I like to keep them -- a LOT farther away from spinning blades than that! lol!
Terrific, Mike, and thank you for it all. This is the sort of thing that gives a fella goosebumps.
God Bless!
- Tim
Post by: AZStickman on January 10, 2006, 08:19:00 PM
Post by: Hunter John on January 10, 2006, 09:38:00 PM
John
Post by: horseapple on January 10, 2006, 11:57:00 PM
Post by: rainman on January 11, 2006, 12:07:00 AM
Dan Raney
Post by: horseapple on January 11, 2006, 12:32:00 AM
Post by: Tom Leemans on January 11, 2006, 08:33:00 AM
p.s. Your short bow is slightly different from what I have in mind, but I won't say how. Remember ya gotta string that thing laying down. :help:
Post by: tmccall on January 11, 2006, 08:43:00 AM
Post by: John Sturtevant on January 11, 2006, 08:51:00 AM
What did you use for a center lam?
Post by: wingnut on January 11, 2006, 08:59:00 AM
I had a piece of yew that I used for the power lam. Wanted to stay with the softness of the yew.
Mike
Post by: JasonV on January 11, 2006, 09:44:00 AM
Thanks for taking the extra time to share it with us.
(And by the time this thing gets to the auction there's gonna be a feeding frenzy - I better ask for a raise in my allowance and start saving now...)
Post by: tmccall on January 11, 2006, 09:50:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on January 11, 2006, 11:21:00 AM
That's a great idea.
Thanks,
Mike
Post by: wingnut on January 11, 2006, 11:43:00 AM
Pulled it out of the jig, here is what it looks like:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd39.jpg)
the profile:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd40.jpg)
clean up the glue bulbs
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd41.jpg)
running the snakewood on the handle jig
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd42.jpg)
working on the pattern sander
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd43.jpg)
ready for more glue
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd44.jpg)
Post by: tmccall on January 11, 2006, 12:01:00 PM
Post by: Shaun on January 11, 2006, 12:18:00 PM
Thanks for sharing the process. Makes me want to make dust too. Lookin good Mike.
Post by: Orso on January 11, 2006, 01:02:00 PM
This has been one of the best build-a-longs, in my opinion, yet.
Shaun, I know if guys start bidding early someone of authority is going to jump in and tell everyone to wait for the official thread....So I wouldn't want to follow up your bid with lets say $275. But when the bidding does open up, I'm in it for at least that!!
Keep this thread going, I can't wait to see its next stop along becoming a bow.
Post by: Tom Leemans on January 11, 2006, 01:22:00 PM
Post by: clintopher on January 11, 2006, 01:28:00 PM
It's looking good bud. I like the idea of a handle jig. The hardest part of building a bow for me is fitting the handle. I like to cheat by gluing up 4 or 5 thin lams. Conforms right to the riser area and looks cool too. It is limiting though. Is your jig adjustable? Got any pics of just the jig you wouldn't mind sharing?
Clint
Post by: Timo on January 11, 2006, 05:39:00 PM
Can't wait for my turn.
Post by: wingnut on January 11, 2006, 06:55:00 PM
How about the handle? Same question.
Mike
Post by: horseapple on January 11, 2006, 07:52:00 PM
Joe Don
Post by: Buffler Razz on January 11, 2006, 08:22:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on January 12, 2006, 10:42:00 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd45.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd46.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd47.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/mwestvang/st%20judes%20bow/yewbrd48.jpg)
Mike
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 12, 2006, 03:12:00 PM
Post by: John Scifres on January 12, 2006, 09:04:00 PM
Post by: Holm-Made on January 13, 2006, 12:23:00 AM
Post by: AZStickman on January 13, 2006, 07:44:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on January 13, 2006, 07:49:00 AM
Very nice bud!! BTW, John Sturtevant is doing the horn and stuff.
Thanks,
Terry,
Any chance at getting the build alongs for st judes tacked to the top for a while.
Mike
Post by: Littlefeather on January 13, 2006, 09:25:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on January 13, 2006, 09:31:00 AM
Got it and it is perfect. See ya next week.
Mike
Post by: On Fire aka Charlie on January 14, 2006, 11:42:00 PM
Post by: mike hall on January 15, 2006, 06:39:00 AM
:thumbsup:
Post by: ber643 on January 15, 2006, 07:15:00 AM
Post by: Dano on January 15, 2006, 08:20:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on January 15, 2006, 08:31:00 AM
Jason and I clean it on Thursday mornings every week. I do make a mess though.
Mike
Post by: Dano on January 15, 2006, 08:39:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on January 15, 2006, 08:42:00 AM
I know what's there though.
Besides a clean shop is the sign of a sick mind. Look at Mickey.
Mike
Post by: the Ferret on January 15, 2006, 09:38:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on January 16, 2006, 07:20:00 AM
See what I mean. LOL
For example, that is. Not saying the Mickey has a sick mind, but he does have a clean shop.
Mike
Post by: Dano on January 16, 2006, 05:30:00 PM
or is it too late??? :rolleyes:
Post by: Timo on January 16, 2006, 10:21:00 PM
Just noticed I spelt your name wrong...I think I'll leave it! :p
Post by: Dano on January 17, 2006, 07:20:00 AM
Post by: Guru on January 18, 2006, 09:59:00 AM
Mike from someone who knows what a pain it can be to post pix,I thank you for taking the time :thumbsup: :notworthy:
This bow is gonna be something else, wish I had deeper pockets :(
Post by: wingnut on January 18, 2006, 01:45:00 PM
Mike
Post by: '46 on January 18, 2006, 08:31:00 PM
Post by: Tom Leemans on January 19, 2006, 11:40:00 AM
Post by: Doug Campbell on January 19, 2006, 12:07:00 PM
Post by: Lost Arra on January 19, 2006, 05:55:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on January 20, 2006, 07:18:00 AM
Mike
Post by: horseapple on January 20, 2006, 09:25:00 AM
Remember Texas still has the pony express it might take it a couple of weeks for them horses to make it.
No, It has not made it yet. Let you know when it does.
Joe Don
Post by: wingnut on January 20, 2006, 09:47:00 AM
Mike
Post by: tmccall on January 20, 2006, 11:36:00 AM
Post by: Dano on January 20, 2006, 11:55:00 AM
Post by: John Sturtevant on January 20, 2006, 06:13:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on January 20, 2006, 06:52:00 PM
LOL
John,
Did you get my email, I need your address so I can send the snakewood underlays.
Mike
Post by: horseapple on January 21, 2006, 12:45:00 AM
Joe Don
Post by: wingnut on January 22, 2006, 09:38:00 AM
Mike
Post by: Terry Green on January 22, 2006, 09:38:00 AM
Thanks,
Terry
Post by: AZStickman on January 22, 2006, 06:27:00 PM
Post by: Guru on January 22, 2006, 09:17:00 PM
Post by: cjones on January 22, 2006, 11:30:00 PM
Post by: Tom Leemans on January 23, 2006, 08:29:00 AM
Post by: '46 on January 23, 2006, 04:12:00 PM
Post by: horseapple on January 23, 2006, 07:14:00 PM
Joe Don
Post by: Dano on January 23, 2006, 08:10:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on January 23, 2006, 08:20:00 PM
Mike
Mine is 6 x 89. Dang it. well better order some.
Post by: Dano on January 23, 2006, 08:31:00 PM
Post by: horseapple on January 24, 2006, 12:19:00 AM
first pic showing bamboo backing once I've sanded the rough texture
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/horseapple/St%20Judes%20Bamboo%20Bow/MVC-003F.jpg)
first picture pulled back on the tillering stick, stiff at left limbs mid section
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/horseapple/St%20Judes%20Bamboo%20Bow/MVC-005F.jpg)
second picture on the longstring, I took alittle yew off the left limb, know I'm ready for the short string
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/horseapple/St%20Judes%20Bamboo%20Bow/MVC-006F.jpg)
first braced picture, not bad.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/horseapple/St%20Judes%20Bamboo%20Bow/MVC-007F.jpg)
picture showing string alignment, right down the middle:)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/horseapple/St%20Judes%20Bamboo%20Bow/MVC-009F.jpg)
I went ahead and braced it to about 5"
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/horseapple/St%20Judes%20Bamboo%20Bow/MVC-010F.jpg)
first pull on the board, running 40#@15" we're looking for something in the 45-50# range @28"
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/horseapple/St%20Judes%20Bamboo%20Bow/MVC-008F.jpg)
I'm finished for the night, this pictures is at 27" holding rope back with left hand taking picture with right, yep I'm coordinated:) but I'm off to the side abit and it looks alittle off.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/horseapple/St%20Judes%20Bamboo%20Bow/MVC-011F.jpg)
Joe Don
Post by: Tom Leemans on January 24, 2006, 07:55:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on January 24, 2006, 08:03:00 AM
Anyway, it's already a special bow and it has hardly started it's journey for the kids at St. Judes.
You better save your $ for this one.
LOL
Mike
Post by: John Sturtevant on January 24, 2006, 08:57:00 AM
Mike, what finished weight were you thinking about?
JD, what is the length of the bow, n/n?
Post by: wingnut on January 24, 2006, 09:34:00 AM
Anywhere near 50 is fine. Trying to get a weight that everyone can shoot so everyone can bid. LOL
Mike
Post by: Tom Leemans on January 24, 2006, 02:43:00 PM
Post by: the Ferret on January 24, 2006, 02:56:00 PM
Post by: Jason Jelinek on January 24, 2006, 03:12:00 PM
I've used that same method but by putting the lines in afterwards using the Paint program.
Jason
Post by: horseapple on January 24, 2006, 07:46:00 PM
By using the pyramid as a background I can see the shape of the limbs better than trying to concentrate on the peg board:) No really I saw this drawing once somewhere but can't remember when or who had it on there tillering tree, do you like it and does it show the bending of the limbs better for you?
Joe Don
Post by: wingnut on January 25, 2006, 07:31:00 AM
Sure makes it easy to compare the limbs.
Mike
Post by: AZStickman on January 25, 2006, 07:37:00 AM
Post by: horseapple on January 25, 2006, 09:49:00 AM
Joe Don
Post by: horseapple on January 26, 2006, 08:23:00 AM
Joe Don
Post by: John Sturtevant on January 26, 2006, 08:31:00 AM
Post by: horseapple on January 26, 2006, 08:50:00 AM
Joe Don
Post by: rainman on January 31, 2006, 10:18:00 PM
Dan Raney
Post by: wingnut on February 01, 2006, 08:05:00 AM
LOL
Mike
Post by: horseapple on February 01, 2006, 08:10:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on February 01, 2006, 09:03:00 AM
LOL
Mike
Post by: Tom Leemans on February 01, 2006, 09:07:00 AM
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 07, 2006, 01:26:00 PM
Will post some pics later.
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 07, 2006, 01:27:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/P1010025.jpg)
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 07, 2006, 01:29:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/P1010027.jpg)
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 07, 2006, 01:31:00 PM
We won’t use anything but the best horn we have for this special bow.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/P1010040.jpg)
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 07, 2006, 01:32:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/P1010041.jpg)
More later today if I can.....
Post by: wingnut on February 07, 2006, 01:43:00 PM
Mike
Post by: Lost Arra on February 07, 2006, 01:52:00 PM
Post by: Dano on February 07, 2006, 02:37:00 PM
Post by: Tom Leemans on February 07, 2006, 02:58:00 PM
I'm just impressed that John has a horn pile
Post by: kyle on February 07, 2006, 04:40:00 PM
Post by: Carbon Caster on February 07, 2006, 05:58:00 PM
Post by: Dano on February 07, 2006, 06:04:00 PM
Post by: Killdeer on February 07, 2006, 06:21:00 PM
Where can you get tags for unicorn?
Killdeer :confused:
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 07, 2006, 06:28:00 PM
Had a much bigger pile before bow making season started Tom.
Need to clean up the outside of horn before flattening. Dang this stuff stinks.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/P1010036.jpg)
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 07, 2006, 06:35:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/P1010037.jpg)
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 07, 2006, 06:37:00 PM
I like to flatten a small section at a time, and keep the area already flattened in the vise under pressure. If you reheat a section that is already flat it tends to want to go back to the original shape.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/P1010043.jpg)
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 07, 2006, 06:38:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/P1010045.jpg)
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 07, 2006, 06:40:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/P1010049.jpg)
Post by: Madpigslayer on February 07, 2006, 07:07:00 PM
Post by: Dano on February 07, 2006, 07:49:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on February 07, 2006, 07:54:00 PM
Mike
Post by: AZStickman on February 08, 2006, 07:31:00 AM
Post by: Tom Leemans on February 08, 2006, 08:33:00 AM
Boy, he's got ergo mats and storage drawers and you can see his walls and floor and everything.
:notworthy:
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 08, 2006, 07:15:00 PM
Post by: Killdeer on February 08, 2006, 07:27:00 PM
Robin is doing the armguard? This package is gonna be FFAwesome!! :eek:
Killdeer
Post by: rainman on February 12, 2006, 09:07:00 PM
Dan Raney
Post by: Roughcountry on February 12, 2006, 10:03:00 PM
Post by: Roughcountry on February 12, 2006, 11:03:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/roughcountry/Picture_1225.jpg)
Post by: cellophane on February 13, 2006, 01:17:00 AM
Post by: the Ferret on February 13, 2006, 06:45:00 AM
Beautiful leatherwork Roughcountry! :notworthy:
Post by: Tom Leemans on February 13, 2006, 07:10:00 AM
Mickey - Horn...Nature's carbon fiber!
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 13, 2006, 11:02:00 AM
USPS hasn’t got around to delivering the bow yet, so no progress. Hoped to have it done this weekend. Evidently I’m supposed to be gone hunting late this week thru the 26th….so it will be after that before I can work on it now.
Post by: Tim Clark on February 26, 2006, 06:47:00 PM
How's it coming along?
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 27, 2006, 01:22:00 PM
Now we’ll see if I can keep from screwing up the fine work of masters Westvang and Jones.
This is what we're starting with.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/1profile.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/3handle.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/2handle.jpg)
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 27, 2006, 01:25:00 PM
Unbraced
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/4unbraced.jpg)
Braced
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/5braced.jpg)
At 28”
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/6drawn.jpg)
More later.....
Post by: '46 on February 27, 2006, 03:48:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on February 27, 2006, 04:18:00 PM
mike
Post by: Dano on February 27, 2006, 06:35:00 PM
Post by: AZStickman on February 27, 2006, 09:25:00 PM
Post by: cjones on February 27, 2006, 11:53:00 PM
Post by: John Sturtevant on February 28, 2006, 03:31:00 PM
Decided to add a very thin layer of bloodwood, roughly .0314587 thick.
We will be adding weight with the belly lams…..but losing weight when we shape the flat belly into a nice round profile.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/7lams.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/8ready.jpg)
Post by: AZStickman on February 28, 2006, 07:39:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on February 28, 2006, 07:59:00 PM
.031+ will add roughly 10 pounds to this bow. So with that and the horn at .070 or so AND rounding we should be in the 55 pound range or so.
Although I have been fooled numerous times by yew. That stuff is not as predictable as most woods.
Mike
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 01, 2006, 08:40:00 AM
Now I’d say it’s as predictable as any natural material.
The horn is about .090 to start….but I intend to thin it considerably after it is applied. I just find it easier to glue when it’s a little thicker.
The last bow I added BW/Horn to the belly added about 10#’s. However this is a different profile, different core wood, different bamboo.
We’ll see what happens. :)
Every bow I fiddle with has a surprise in store…..sometimes pleasant, sometimes maybe not so pleasant. Hopeful this one will hold a nice surprise.
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 01, 2006, 08:42:00 AM
Some of the supplies and tools needed for the glue up.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/9supplies.jpg)
Post by: wingnut on March 01, 2006, 08:43:00 AM
I think the bloodwood will add a bunch to the bow. both in performance and appearance. Good Idea!!
Mike
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 01, 2006, 08:44:00 AM
2” clamps every 2” or so.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/11glue.jpg)
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 01, 2006, 08:45:00 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/10glue.jpg)
Post by: tmccall on March 01, 2006, 09:35:00 AM
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 02, 2006, 08:38:00 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/readytostring.jpg)
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 02, 2006, 08:50:00 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/firsthornbrace.jpg)
First pull...Drawn to 24”, weight is 50#
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/firstpull24.jpg)
Got some work to do.....hope it doesn't break. :)
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 02, 2006, 08:53:00 AM
:notworthy:
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 02, 2006, 11:02:00 AM
I catch a lot of ribbing over keeping a semi-clean shop. I figure when the kitchen gets dirty….we clean it. Toilet scummy? Clean it. Truck muddy? Clean it. I place a lot higher value on the time spent in the shop then the kitchen, toilet or truck…..so I figure I should take care of it at least as well. :)
Post by: Dano on March 02, 2006, 11:38:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on March 02, 2006, 12:09:00 PM
I guess these guys from Iowa are just weird.
LOL
Mike
BTW how long did it take to clean a shop that CLEAN?
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 02, 2006, 06:46:00 PM
I’m not really tillering the bow, all I’m doing is gluing chunks of horn on and trying not to screw up Mikes glue up and JD’s tiller.
Mike, guys from Iowa weird? Huh. Guess we can’t all be normal like you Texas fellers. :)
Post by: AZStickman on March 02, 2006, 08:32:00 PM
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 03, 2006, 08:51:00 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/55at252.jpg)
57# at 27”. More work to do this weekend. Mike wanted it between 50-55 I believe...and I think we can do this. Still want to work on the outer limbs a bit to bring them around.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/57at27.jpg)
Comparison of where JD had the tiller pre-horn.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/6drawn.jpg)
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 03, 2006, 08:56:00 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/judes.jpg)
Post by: kyle on March 03, 2006, 09:26:00 AM
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 03, 2006, 03:16:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on March 03, 2006, 08:34:00 PM
Can you send your address to John so he can forward the bow to you as soon as it's ready?
1) Yew board - Mike/Tim
2) glue up with Tonkin Bamboo Back - Wingnut
3) tiller to 40s flat belly - JD
4) Add horn belly,snakewood underlay and final tiller - John S
5) horn tips with string keeper - Tom
6) Leather L/R arrow rest - Dave Bulla
7) Timo - carp skins
8) finish work - CK
9) Bow sock and string - Dano
10) Self nock arrows - SLR
Thanks it's coming together
Mike
Post by: AZStickman on March 04, 2006, 11:06:00 AM
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 05, 2006, 05:59:00 PM
I think we’ll stop here for a bit….and maybe do some tweaking later after shooting it a bit.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/drawn10.jpg)
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 05, 2006, 06:02:00 PM
Just because we can….and because I feel like it we’ll add a very thin layer of blackwood and yellowheart between the yew and the snakewood.
Little Urac ought to do it…..and pop it in the hot box to cure.
I’ve used CA adhesive for this type of thing in the past, but I prefer to use the best adhesive I have available. Same with horn tip overlays….prefer to use a high quality 2 part epoxy instead of superglue.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/bellytip2.jpg)
Post by: wingnut on March 05, 2006, 06:15:00 PM
Mike
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 05, 2006, 06:15:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/gluedup2.jpg)
After cleaning them up a little.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/tipcloseup5.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/bellyall.jpg)
Snakewood handle after shaping a little bit.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/st%20judes/handle.jpg)
Post by: AZStickman on March 05, 2006, 06:18:00 PM
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 05, 2006, 06:23:00 PM
Tom, I was going to leave the tips wide / squared off at the end if that’s OK. Figured you’d want to shape them to suit yourself.
I’ll make a PVC shipping tube for this thing….thinking it’s gonna be traveling a lot of miles in the next couple of months.
I’ve left the back of the handle somewhat squared off, not knowing the plan for the leather being glued on. Is that OK?
Gonna go shoot this thing a bit….then recheck the tiller and make any adjustments needed.
Post by: Dano on March 05, 2006, 06:26:00 PM
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 05, 2006, 08:32:00 PM
Post by: horseapple on March 05, 2006, 08:34:00 PM
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 06, 2006, 06:53:00 AM
Post by: Chris R on March 06, 2006, 07:02:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by John Sturtevant:Don't leave us hanging
Well, ran into a problem while shooting the bow that has me a little concerned. No time to post pics now….but I’ll try tomorrow. Dang….
!["[heman]"]("graemlins/heman.gif" "\"\"")
There's a bunch of us sitting here holding back a big gasp...
Post by: wingnut on March 06, 2006, 07:22:00 AM
Well do I need to start over or are you foolin with us?
Mike
Post by: Guru on March 06, 2006, 07:31:00 AM
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 06, 2006, 07:40:00 AM
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 06, 2006, 08:34:00 AM
As you can see….the bow is too fast and the arrows tend to burst into flames. Nobody’s gonna want this bow if all their arrows keep burning up.
The only solution I can think of is to add horn tips that weigh a pound or so. Perhaps Tom can take care of this.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/John4040/Static%201/flame2.jpg)
Post by: horseapple on March 06, 2006, 08:44:00 AM
Post by: tmccall on March 06, 2006, 08:52:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on March 06, 2006, 08:56:00 AM
Now we need some fire proof feathers.
Mike
Post by: the Ferret on March 06, 2006, 09:04:00 AM
!["[tunglaff]"]("graemlins/tunglaff.gif" "\"\"")
Post by: clintopher on March 06, 2006, 09:07:00 AM
Aluminum might melt. I think the ticket would be titanium...maybe take a piece of round stock and mill some veins into it. That should correct the problem.
Post by: JasonV on March 06, 2006, 09:15:00 AM
Post by: rocdoc on March 06, 2006, 10:37:00 AM
Post by: clintopher on March 06, 2006, 10:38:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by JasonV:Of course...I just figured fluted would be the natural assumption. :knothead:
I'd go with fluted titanium - it'll dissipate the heat better....
Post by: rocdoc on March 06, 2006, 10:43:00 AM
I predict a record high bid on that baby! Will they take a first-born son in lew of cash?
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 06, 2006, 10:53:00 AM
Post by: Roughcountry on March 06, 2006, 11:11:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on March 06, 2006, 11:49:00 AM
John,
You got Tom's address?
Tom,
Watch for it so we can turn it around in a timely manner. Pics included of course.
Mike
Post by: Tim Clark on March 06, 2006, 12:21:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on March 06, 2006, 01:22:00 PM
Mike
Post by: Dano on March 06, 2006, 02:15:00 PM
Post by: kcdaniels on March 06, 2006, 06:12:00 PM
I know I am saving up all my lunch money for this bow!! :)
Dan
Post by: AZStickman on March 06, 2006, 08:33:00 PM
Post by: fletcharrows on March 06, 2006, 10:38:00 PM
that their bow can do its own shish-ke-bobbin.
fletch
Post by: Madpigslayer on March 07, 2006, 12:33:00 AM
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 07, 2006, 06:37:00 AM
Post by: ber643 on March 07, 2006, 06:54:00 AM
Post by: clintopher on March 07, 2006, 07:06:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Madpigslayer:
...anybody that uses a pink frilly beer cozy and dont think much about it...HAS to have a sense of humour. :)
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 07, 2006, 08:51:00 AM
But…..well…I’ll have to work on the remorse/shame thing I guess. :)
Madpig, not a beer cozy. Diet soda.
Clean Iowa living. We don’t drink, smoke, seldom use profanity, and stay away from loose women. Most of the time.
Bow is packed up and will be on the boat to Tom today.
Mike, thanks for allowing me to participate. This was a good idea, and you’re to be commended for spearheading.
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 07, 2006, 11:18:00 AM
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 08, 2006, 11:56:00 AM
I'll be out of town this weekend and may not be able to get anything done until first of next week though. We're supposed to get a bunch of rain and I'd like to keep it dry anyway. I'll post pics when I get working on it.
p.s. John - Thanks for the bulletwood!! Maybe I can use it to get a donation bow done for MOJam or something.
Post by: wingnut on March 08, 2006, 12:29:00 PM
Mike
Post by: Dano on March 08, 2006, 01:55:00 PM
:bigsmyl:
Post by: ber643 on March 08, 2006, 04:48:00 PM
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 08, 2006, 07:08:00 PM
Mike, I put the left over snake wood in the tube also. Thinking this will find its way back to Texas eventually.
Dano, depends on what you’re smoking now instead? :)
Post by: wingnut on March 09, 2006, 07:54:00 AM
With Dano we are on a "don't ask, don't tell" program. LOL
That's cool on the snakewood, if it stays in the tube it will find it's way back to Curtis.
And Tom, back that bulletwood with a bit of bamboo and it will surprise you.
Mike
Post by: Dano on March 09, 2006, 08:13:00 AM
Post by: ber643 on March 09, 2006, 09:44:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on March 09, 2006, 06:55:00 PM
I'm thinking of a number to start the bidding and it's not $50.
LOL
Mike
Post by: Dano on March 09, 2006, 08:03:00 PM
Post by: '46 on March 10, 2006, 11:45:00 AM
Post by: Dano on March 10, 2006, 12:11:00 PM
Post by: AZStickman on March 10, 2006, 09:51:00 PM
Post by: Dave Bulla on March 14, 2006, 02:57:00 PM
Post by: Cameron on March 14, 2006, 04:15:00 PM
Post by: '46 on March 14, 2006, 05:10:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on March 14, 2006, 05:14:00 PM
If you win it you can write your own name or anybodys name on it yourself. Cause you will have it.
Mike
Post by: '46 on March 14, 2006, 05:37:00 PM
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 15, 2006, 07:35:00 AM
:scared:
Post by: Dano on March 15, 2006, 07:44:00 AM
!["[moon]"]("graemlins/sleeping.gif" "\"\"")
:D
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 15, 2006, 09:12:00 AM
Post by: Dano on March 15, 2006, 09:19:00 AM
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 15, 2006, 10:03:00 AM
Post by: AZStickman on March 18, 2006, 06:36:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on March 20, 2006, 07:37:00 AM
LOL
Mike
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 20, 2006, 08:06:00 AM
Step 1 - Go knock some horns off a cow or, in this case, have some nice guy named Timo give you a bunch at MOJam.
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2704.jpg)
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 20, 2006, 08:09:00 AM
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2706.jpg)
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 20, 2006, 08:12:00 AM
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2707.jpg)
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 20, 2006, 08:16:00 AM
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2710.jpg)
I like to give myself a head start on blending the tip into the limb, so I sand an abrupt angle on one end.
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2713.jpg)
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 20, 2006, 08:21:00 AM
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2715.jpg)
Yes, that's a hoof rasp in my hand.
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2718.jpg)
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 20, 2006, 08:25:00 AM
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2719.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2720.jpg)
Post by: the Ferret on March 20, 2006, 08:29:00 AM
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 20, 2006, 08:31:00 AM
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2721.jpg)
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 20, 2006, 08:40:00 AM
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2722.jpg) (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2724.jpg)
Post by: horseapple on March 20, 2006, 08:52:00 AM
Post by: '46 on March 20, 2006, 11:07:00 AM
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 20, 2006, 12:02:00 PM
Post by: Dave Bulla on March 20, 2006, 01:23:00 PM
But yea, I'm guilty of doing it too.
I'm looking forward to seeing this bow in person. Just finished the stacked leather and super glue handle overlay and shelves on the team osage bow yesterday. A guy surely does tend to get a little "stage fright" working on these bows. At least I do..... takes some conviction to take a rasp to a special bow don't it.
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 20, 2006, 01:32:00 PM
If you look in the saw pic, there is a piece of scrap wood to finish the cut with. It's nice to keep all of your fingers.
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 20, 2006, 03:35:00 PM
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 21, 2006, 07:43:00 AM
Upper tip. I left a little more here because I'm going to shape it a bit differently.
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2728.jpg)
Lower tip will be simple and sleek when done.
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2727.jpg)
I generally go from here with a #50 rasp, then I like to scrape tool marks away and get closer with a razor blade or utility knife blade, then finish up with one of those 4-way foam buffing files used for nails.
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 21, 2006, 07:49:00 AM
Lower tip
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2737.jpg)
Viewed showing some of the backside or actually the belly side.
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2738.jpg)
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 21, 2006, 07:53:00 AM
Post by: '46 on March 22, 2006, 05:37:00 PM
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 23, 2006, 06:05:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on March 23, 2006, 08:17:00 AM
BTW make sure to wipe any germs off before sending it on.
MIke
Post by: Yance on March 23, 2006, 08:26:00 AM
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 23, 2006, 08:32:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on March 23, 2006, 08:35:00 AM
Mike
Post by: Dano on March 23, 2006, 01:07:00 PM
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 27, 2006, 05:38:00 PM
I'm finally pretty much done with this flu bug. Last 4 days sucked. It's raining today so the humidity in the shop is way up. I'll prolly finish up tomorrow after work. Either way, it'll be on it's way to Dave this week. I'll measure for the string length after I send an arra or two out of it. It's probably going to pick up more speed now, since horn is lighter ya know.
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 29, 2006, 01:18:00 PM
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 29, 2006, 01:59:00 PM
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 30, 2006, 06:49:00 AM
I have one finishing touch to do tonight, then maybe send a couple arras through it before getting it in the mail to Dave. Look for pics tomorrow.
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 31, 2006, 06:53:00 AM
First here's the lower tip, finished
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2755.jpg)
Now the upper!
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2779.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2771.jpg)
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 31, 2006, 06:58:00 AM
The two groups represent differences in my hand placement, shooting off the knuckle. The lone flyer is just because the fletch is torn up.
(15 yds.)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g186/flatbow21/IMG_2759.jpg)
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 31, 2006, 07:04:00 AM
Dave - Look for it to arrive the first part of next week. FYI - If you look at the belly of the bow, I was shooting off my knuckle with the top edge of the arrow shaft pretty much in line with the bottom tip of the bloodwood lamination. I'm sending a scrap of burgandy leather along, in case you want to use it.
Dano - Just make the string for a 64" bow. Should be able to twist to adjust. If you need better measurements, let me know.
Post by: Dano on March 31, 2006, 07:15:00 AM
Post by: AZStickman on March 31, 2006, 07:35:00 AM
Post by: '46 on March 31, 2006, 08:54:00 AM
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 31, 2006, 09:44:00 AM
Post by: John Sturtevant on March 31, 2006, 01:03:00 PM
Are those glass eyes?
What a wonderful touch....
Will look great with the fish skins.
Post by: Tom Leemans on March 31, 2006, 01:07:00 PM
CK - There are some lighter lines and spots in the horn that are natural discoloration. Some of those and any fine scratches should disappear when you finish it. I've been known to touch up light spots with a sharpie too.
Post by: Chris R on March 31, 2006, 07:59:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on April 01, 2006, 10:11:00 PM
OK, Dave you are on. BTW if you shoot it please dont draw your 30". LOL
Mike
Post by: John Scifres on April 01, 2006, 10:38:00 PM
Post by: gordonf on April 02, 2006, 01:13:00 AM
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 03, 2006, 12:12:00 PM
Post by: Dano on April 03, 2006, 07:02:00 PM
BTW we didn't blow away last night, too much lead in my tukass :D
Post by: Littlefeather on April 03, 2006, 07:25:00 PM
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 04, 2006, 08:28:00 AM
Post by: Dano on April 04, 2006, 04:15:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on April 04, 2006, 05:32:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on April 10, 2006, 06:57:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on April 10, 2006, 08:10:00 PM
Mike
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 11, 2006, 08:17:00 AM
:archer:
Post by: Ray Lyon on April 11, 2006, 08:21:00 AM
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 11, 2006, 12:01:00 PM
I'm also striving for a good match of leather to the red (bloodwood) lam under the black horn belly. I've got some latigo that it close but it's oily and the dye is mostly on the surface with lots of tan in the middle. I've toyed with the idea of using some of my red rit dye to color a piece of leather but I'm scared the dye could bleed out into the yew handle when the super glue hits it and being a soft wood I'm afraid it would really wick in and I couldn't get it out so that's not gonna happen. Today I remembered picking up a redish colored womans leather coat at a yard sale a year or so ago for my wife and so I dug it out to check the color. It looks like it will be pretty close to what I want if it doesn't get too dark. I'll have to cut a piece out and see what it does in a "test". Think my wife will notice???? HA! Actually, I bought the coat just to cut it up for handle wraps and such but I'd forgotten about it so I'm not really cutting up my wifes leather dress coat....
It's a beautiful day today and is supposed to get up to about 77 degrees so I think I'll get my little wooden bench and set it in the yard so I can do some work before I head off to work AGAIN.
Might be a day or two before I get some pics up though.
Post by: Tim Clark on April 11, 2006, 12:32:00 PM
Just my two cents. Even if it's worth nothing.
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 13, 2006, 12:27:00 PM
In the end, I've decided to try to match the brown of the snakewood for the first layer and go with a black for the rest to match the horn. That will still give a nice accent stripe, won't look overly flashy, and will match two of the four existing colors of the bow. It's in progress and I hope to have pics up in a day or so with the bow going out in just a couple of days.
Who's next? I'm gonna need an address....
Post by: DarkeGreen on April 13, 2006, 12:55:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on April 13, 2006, 01:27:00 PM
Here's the batting order for this soon to be great bow and build along.
1) Yew board - Mike/Tim
2) glue up with Tonkin Bamboo Back - Wingnut
3) tiller to 40s flat belly - JD
4) Add horn belly,snakewood underlay and final tiller - John S
5) horn tips with string keeper - Tom
6) Leather L/R arrow rest - Dave Bulla
7) Timo - carp skins
8) finish work - CK
9) Bow sock and string - Dano
10) Self nock arrows - SLR
So Timo's next. I think you already have the address from the other bow.
Mike
Post by: Shakes.602 on April 13, 2006, 02:03:00 PM
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 16, 2006, 08:44:00 PM
We made it through the tornado warnings last night by going to the basement....
Been working on the bow and it's about 99% done. Some real fine sanding and maybe another coat of glue and she'll be ready to head off to Timo. I'm gonna try to upload the pics to photobucket but I won't put them here until I have the bow done all the way and can show the whole series. I didn't take as many pictures this time because the proceedure was the same as for the team osage bow but there are enough to see the basic steps.
The shape of the shelves on this one are different than on the osage bow but the whole bow is a different style.... I really like it a lot! I wish it would pull to my draw length.
Post by: Timo on April 16, 2006, 10:14:00 PM
I need to make sure that will be ok on this bow before we put the skins on? And are you sure you want to cover up that perty Tonkin?
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 17, 2006, 08:25:00 AM
Yes Timo, the scales will work right in to the whole snakewood, snake head thing. I would say it'd be better that they run to/blend into the tips. (My opinion anyway) I would think you could blend right up to the horn overlays with a brand new sharp razor blade.
I think a brown thread wrap just like the self bow would be fine. That way, we'd still have some bamboo showing in the handle area.
Post by: wingnut on April 17, 2006, 08:32:00 AM
Dave is not putting leather on the back of this bow like the other. It already has the bamboo bringing it to a rounder back. Anyway you can bring the skins farther down if you want.
mike
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 17, 2006, 02:38:00 PM
Here is the handle area as I recieved it. I've added a light pencil line across the sides where the shelves will go.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/22458551.jpg)
Here is the first piece of leather. It's a real thin piece of horse hide. Very dense but thin and the color will closely match the brown in the handle. I'm trying to draw the shape of the shelves on it before I cut it out.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/Img_1767.jpg)
Here it is cut a bit closer to shape.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/Img_1768.jpg)
Here is the first layer glued in place and saturated with a coat of super glue. Notice the two shelves are connected across the belly. There will be a very small lip there that makes a great locator.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/Img_1769.jpg)
And this is the first layer of dark leather glued on and skived.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/Img_1776.jpg)
That is all I have for right now. I'm trying to make steaks on the grill and pack my lunch while the pics load. Only got those couple loaded to photobucket so the rest will have to wait until late tonight or tomorrow because it's time to head to work.
Post by: Timo on April 17, 2006, 09:29:00 PM
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 18, 2006, 02:49:00 AM
Here is another layer of the horse hide. This cut is the same cut as a piece of cordovan and I believe they call it an "inside split". Anyway, it starts out about a 1/16th or a little thicker and tapers down to tissue paper thin. Literally. It's so thin on the one edge that you can see through it. This piece is only about .010" to .015" thick so it will make a nice thin line. The added line will also aid in shaping the shelves since it acts like a contour map line.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/Img_1777.jpg)
Here it is glued in place. It's so thin I didn't really even try to cut it to shape. Just glued it on and then I'll trim it to fit. You can see the contact area if you look close because the super glue is seeping through. Everything else will get trimed off.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/Img_1778.jpg)
This one shows the leather trimed, skived and some sanding done. I took it mainly to show just how scary ugly this can look to a first timer. It really takes careful sanding on this yew bow to keep off the wood. It's a lot softer than osage and doesn't sand equally. Gotta really be careful to not sand a dished area just off the leather. I never used anything coarser than 600 grit when actually sanding over the wood.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/Img_1779.jpg)
Here's the other side after it's been cleaned up quite a bit. Still two layers to go and more adjustments to the shape.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/Img_1780.jpg)
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 18, 2006, 04:16:00 AM
Either way, if the skins have to stop short maybe something else could be put in the middle like a piece of snake skin? Then do the same thing where the two meet with the wraps like you did on the osage bow. I thought of maybing doing that with the fish skins but being kinda "directional" in appearance, it might not look right.
Or, I could do back overlays but make them go all the way from fade to fade with straight across ends. If the bow was mine I'd be slapping the overlays on in a heartbeat anyway.
Aw heck, I don't know... just throwing out ideas. I guess it comes down to either
1: Trying to splice the skins in the middle. (assuming they are long enough)
2. Stopping them short and tapering the end; no wrap.
3. Stopping short and ending in a wrap like the osage bow.
4. Stopping short with a wrap and something else in the middle like a third piece of skin or a leather overlay.
Anybody else got ideas?
Post by: wingnut on April 18, 2006, 07:09:00 AM
Mike
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 18, 2006, 07:24:00 AM
This bow is going to be incredible when it's finished
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 18, 2006, 07:51:00 AM
Post by: horseapple on April 18, 2006, 09:39:00 AM
Joe Don
Post by: JC on April 18, 2006, 10:24:00 AM
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 18, 2006, 12:39:00 PM
Gonna jump forward to the finished project and get done with these pictures.
Here is the left side.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/IMG_1786_1.jpg)
The right.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/IMG_1787_1.jpg)
View from the belly. I really like this angle. The thin brown layer really matches the brown in the snakewood and ties it together. That little tiny ridge across the belly makes a huge difference in the hand. Feels real good.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/IMG_1788_1.jpg)
Here is how it lays in the hand.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/IMG_1789_1.jpg)
Looks nice among the dogwoods. Since I did most of the work Easter Sunday, I thought some pics with our dogwood flowers would be appropriate.
Post by: Razorbak on April 18, 2006, 12:58:00 PM
Post by: John Sturtevant on April 18, 2006, 01:29:00 PM
I sure hope I get a chance to see the bow in person someday when it is finished.
I’d like to offer something for consideration.
I just finished a couple of bows with carp skin, and unless Tim has some longer ones then what I pilfered off of him at Mojam it may be difficult to get them to match in the center without a gap.
If they are long enough, I’m sure Tim is capable of getting them spliced perfectly.
However…as I recall, I left the BB on the back of the handle squared off thinking there was leather going there and it would be rounded off then.
Since this is not the case, another option would be to put a thin piece of horn on the back of the handle, maybe 3, 3.5” long and butt the carp skin to it. It can be feathered into the skin the same way it is on the horn tips. Instead of horn I suppose black leather and super glue could be used….but the horn would probably be what I’d use if it were my bow.
Regardless, I believe the back of the handle is going to need some further shaping.
I’m not sure what the finishing plans are, but with T-bird it seems to take 8-10 coats with a lot of sanding to really blend everything in. With care they melt in…..and in my opinion look better then any backing I’ve seen. Just takes some effort to really do it right…..
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 18, 2006, 02:08:00 PM
John - I like the sounds of using a horn overlay as a cosmetic solution to the skins problem.
Post by: Littlefeather on April 18, 2006, 02:14:00 PM
I lost a buffalo(carp) at lunch that would have probably done the bow backing without any gap. He won the battle and will swim for another day. CK
Post by: Doug Campbell on April 18, 2006, 05:12:00 PM
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 19, 2006, 02:11:00 AM
Here is a picture. It's artificial light but the figure shows up decent. I'm thinking maybe make two lams and flip one for a mirror image then but the two ends together in the center of the bow so there is matching grain in both directions.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/IMG_1790_1.jpg)
It was a piece of firewood I thought might have some nice grain by the way it split so I cut it and put some true oil on the cut to see what it looked like. That was three or four years ago and it's been setting around ever since so it's probably nicely dried and doesn't show signs of cracking. What would worry me is that it may be too brittle if cut into lams because what you see in the pics is basically end grain. When I used it for the overlay I did, I kept it about 1/8" thick and then sanded it down some after it was glued in place.
Edit... Guess a picture by the bow handle for a size ref would be good eh?
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/IMG_1791_1.jpg)
And here is a side view of the wood. It is one half of a crotch and I suspect the very best grain is right where I have it cut but a full length cut might reveal a nice piece too. Yo can see by the ripples that the fancy grain runs all the way down but the crotch part probably stops about where the bottom of the big torn out looking spot is near the middle.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/IMG_1792_1.jpg)
So Timo, how long are your fish skins?
Post by: wingnut on April 19, 2006, 08:04:00 AM
Dave take a pic of the back of the handle, if you would so we can see what we have to work with. I am not fond of the overlays on the back of the handle myself and prefer to round over my edges of the boo to get a more eliptical feel. But that's my personal opinion.
If I remember right, the Tonkin on that bow is quite pretty, we might want to just leave it uncovered and go to finishing.
What do ya think?
Mike
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 19, 2006, 08:44:00 AM
Tom
Post by: JC on April 19, 2006, 08:50:00 AM
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 19, 2006, 12:20:00 PM
Mike, don't know if you've seen the second pic in my last post that showed the handle back or if the angle is not what you wanted so I'll post one from the side in just a bit.
Here ya go.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/DaveBulla/IMG_1794_1.jpg)
Post by: Littlefeather on April 19, 2006, 12:31:00 PM
Post by: John Sturtevant on April 19, 2006, 01:13:00 PM
Carp skins will add a touch of class to the bow in a way that only dead fish parts can. Hope you decide to use them. Probably increase the bidding 9.5% or so.
Maybe just send it on to Tim and see what he can do? :)
(There was enough snakewood left for an overlay….and it would probably look better then horn. Good thought Curtis.)
Post by: wingnut on April 19, 2006, 01:18:00 PM
That's a good thought. Let's send it on to TimO and let him work his magic with the carp and use the snakewood if necessary to terminate the carp in the middle and round the back a bit.
Mike
Post by: Timo on April 19, 2006, 01:25:00 PM
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 19, 2006, 01:26:00 PM
Post by: Lost Arra on April 19, 2006, 01:59:00 PM
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 19, 2006, 04:04:00 PM
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 20, 2006, 02:13:00 AM
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 20, 2006, 08:30:00 AM
Post by: Littlefeather on April 20, 2006, 09:29:00 AM
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 20, 2006, 09:46:00 AM
Post by: Timo on April 20, 2006, 05:10:00 PM
I measured the necks, and they are narrow as 3/4", so the skins will be stopping in that area, and there won't be much showing,so the transition should be smooth.
A snake wood overlay would look nice, but after seeing it, I'm leaning towards horn.
Horn will- compliment the wonderful horn nocks,(luv that snake head Tom),and the horn belly,(wonderful job again John). Also the leather arrow rests are darker,(great job Dave)so it will also match well with them.
The back of the handle is flat, so some rounding can happen.( and needs to IMO).
Apply a strip of horn,shape it, and flow the skins into it, just like on the horn tips?
Also, can I scrape some of the rind down on the boo,without affecting the tiller much?
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 21, 2006, 03:02:00 AM
Gotta ask, what do you mean by "flow the skins into it." I'm guessing run them right on up over a ways and sand them so thin they just kinda melt into nothing? That would look real cool the way I'm picturing it.
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 21, 2006, 09:03:00 AM
I think when Mr. Nagel wins the bidding ;) he should bring it to MOJam and we can all see the finished product. I also think it would be cool to extract and print all of the build-a-long info and pics (for both bows) and have everyone sign them as a momento for the winners.
Everyone's part in this bow is what makes it so special but I bet Mike can't wait to see it all done, eh? BTW Are we gonna name this thing or does the winner do that?
Post by: wingnut on April 21, 2006, 09:22:00 AM
That sounds good, do what you think will work the best. She's yours for a while now. The back at the handles needs a bit of work yet by the looks of the pics. Go ahead with the horn if you can blend the skins into it.
To prep the back for glue, sand with 150 grit. You don't need to take the all the rind off if you don't want too.
Mike
Post by: John Sturtevant on April 21, 2006, 10:02:00 AM
Have fun!
As I recall JD sanded a little on the BB to clean it up. I’m not familiar with the rind on Tonkin, but a little clean up shouldn’t affect the tiller. I’ve stopped scraping all the rind off, and just lightly sand to clean up. Skins seem to stick just fine.
Post by: tradtusker on April 23, 2006, 09:00:00 AM
Post by: '46 on April 23, 2006, 06:36:00 PM
Post by: Timo on April 24, 2006, 09:18:00 PM
Thinned a piece of horn down,flattened the boo a bit,cut a sliver of snakewood to overlay on the horn. Everything is cleaned and ready to glue.
We have some big storms coming in right now, so will wait til tomorrow night to do some more work. I'll try to remember pics George? :)
The most difficult part about this,is filing the overlay in, without getting into Daves leather work! Slow and tedious stuff. It's gonna be a ride!
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 25, 2006, 09:59:00 AM
Post by: John Sturtevant on April 25, 2006, 06:03:00 PM
Don’t get stressed out over any of this. It’s just a bow. :)
(don't forget the scrimshaw)
Post by: Timo on April 25, 2006, 08:16:00 PM
I cut a 5" strip of horn,and shaped it close to desired size, I went ahead and radioused the ends so I wouldn't have that worry later.I planned on leaving them just a bit proud to let the skins but up tight, and flow into them making everything flush,
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/horn1.jpg)
With that in place I then cut a small strip of the snakewood,to compliment the horn, and tie the theme to the rest of the handle .
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/horn2.jpg)
Now the real work begins......Lots of patience was excersized here folks.....I used my fingers and thumbs as guide fences to make sure that I didn't get into Daves awesome leather rest.(one reason fences aren't made of flesh). All came through well.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/horn3.jpg)
I feel like the handle is more suited for shooting now,as all the flat abrupt areas are now flowing into a rounder gentler handle. Also the pics don't do the snakewood justice.This stuff has got to be the prettiest wood I've ever seen.
Time to find the right pair of skins.
Post by: Dano on April 25, 2006, 08:24:00 PM
Post by: AZStickman on April 25, 2006, 09:49:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on April 26, 2006, 07:40:00 AM
When's the auction?
Mike
Post by: horseapple on April 26, 2006, 08:22:00 AM
Joe Don
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 26, 2006, 08:36:00 AM
Timo - Can't you just imagine this bow under a finish? Gotta go get a lottery ticket today....
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 26, 2006, 01:15:00 PM
By the way, what kind of glue did you use for the overlays?
Post by: Bigriver on April 26, 2006, 05:31:00 PM
Post by: Tim Clark on April 26, 2006, 05:37:00 PM
Post by: John Sturtevant on April 26, 2006, 05:41:00 PM
Agree on the snakewood. Nice stuff. Wish it wasn’t so expensive.
Skins on the BB side, right?
Post by: Ray Lyon on April 26, 2006, 05:54:00 PM
Post by: Timo on April 26, 2006, 06:10:00 PM
Kind of was thinking on useing the darker side(upper back) of the skins instead of the lighter side(belly). There is more patterns running through the dark side than the light, but they are not as defined. The belly has a more open pattern, and on these narrow limbs, the pattern might get lost.
With the ageing/darkining of osage, the lighter skins look great,but with this BB being light and staying light? I'm thinking the darker skins will add more contrast?
I'll lay them out and use my best judgment?
Post by: '46 on April 26, 2006, 06:19:00 PM
Post by: John Sturtevant on April 26, 2006, 06:52:00 PM
Doubt you can go wrong no matter what you decide.
Post by: Dano on April 26, 2006, 07:06:00 PM
Post by: rocdoc on April 26, 2006, 09:14:00 PM
Just kiddin'......that is sure going to be ONE AWSOME BOW fella's!
Timo....did you have to flatten the 'boo before putting the horn on the handle overlay? I've wondered about trying that, but was concerned about having to violate the 'boo to get the overlay to fit. :confused:
Post by: the Ferret on April 26, 2006, 10:16:00 PM
Post by: Timo on April 26, 2006, 10:25:00 PM
I use super glue for the overlays, and yes Doug I did flatten the boo a bit. Just enough to get a good glue surface.I didn't figure it was too much to hurt and don't really think this bow has much give in the handle anyhow.
I went with an in between on the skins.....Right down the middle of the fish. Kinda dissapointed in the top limb.The pattern was a bit less than in the bottom, but still I think it'll fly. :)
Post by: rocdoc on April 26, 2006, 10:52:00 PM
I wouldn't think that a little flattening would hurt it either Timo.....especially with that Tonkin 'boo.
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 27, 2006, 11:14:00 AM
Post by: Timo on April 27, 2006, 10:26:00 PM
Did some trim work on the skins tonight,but still needs to set another day,before if finish them up. I'm pleased with the color.
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 28, 2006, 02:27:00 AM
Do you have dial up too? I found that in the daytime it took me about 15 to 20 minutes to upload a single pic to photobucket but at about midnight it only took about 3 to 5 minutes. Doing the "resize during export" from the photo software program to "my documents / my pictures" helped too.
Post by: Doug Campbell on April 28, 2006, 09:38:00 AM
Post by: Littlefeather on April 28, 2006, 09:49:00 AM
Post by: Timo on April 28, 2006, 08:27:00 PM
The skins I picked were big boys. I lay them out and organize the pattern, by stretching them all directions.They stick quite well to cardboard, so movement is minimal.I've cut them down to 29".You can see the waste I have left over.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/bby1.jpg)
Since this bow was narrow, I took the liberty of cutting the skins down,so they are easier to handle and less to trim later. Also I was able to pick the best area of pattern.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/bby2.jpg)
Here is one side cut, and ready to glue on.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/bby3.jpg)
I use regular titebond for this stuff now. I figure the glue doesn't have to be waterproof, as long as the finish is.I always wondered how waterproof most of that glue is anyhow?
I wet the bow lightly,and apply a thin glue wash to the bow back.Then I make sure and cover the skin very well. I rub the glue into the skin to get complete coverage.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/bby4.jpg)
The skins are then layed down just as you would a snake. making sure that all air bubbles are out,and that the pattern is in place.Lots of babysitting.Here's a pic of the skins ready to dry.( never mind that clutter in the background)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/bby5.jpg)
And finally a pic for John Sturtevant.:)This is what a bench should look like?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/shop.jpg)
I have some more pics to load of the bow, after it is cleaned up and ready to finish.I'll get them up later.
Post by: Dano on April 28, 2006, 08:54:00 PM
Post by: Timo on April 28, 2006, 08:57:00 PM
The finish will be the topper for sure!(no pressure Ck) :) P.S.I need your mailing address!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/bbycolloge.jpg)
Post by: Dano on April 28, 2006, 09:00:00 PM
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 29, 2006, 02:25:00 AM
Whudja look'et that!
Kinda makes a feller proud to see what can be accomplished for a worthy cause by a group effort here at tradgang.
I love the shot of the tip underlays and the skins are just flat awsome. Looks like ya took them right out of the middle Tim, is that right? Can't wait to see what it'll look like when Curtis puts the shine to it.
And you're right about this bow rocking the bank account of whoever gets it. I'm trying to guestimate the final price and all I can figure for sure is it's gonna have a comma in the price somewhere.... Sure wish I could afford it myself even if I could never shoot it at my gorrilla draw. I'd like to get it just to pass it around. I think this would make an awsome story bow eh?
Post by: rainman on April 29, 2006, 02:42:00 AM
Dan Raney
Post by: Timo on April 29, 2006, 07:58:00 AM
This bow is way to perty in the "flesh"!Until one holds it in their hands,it cannot be appreciated.
The skins did come from the middle of the fish, as the pics show.
Dan, I don't think it gets anything more than a finish.I vote no also on a handle wrap.
It was an honor to have worked onm such a fine bow.
Post by: wingnut on April 29, 2006, 08:58:00 AM
Not to worry, no wrap on this one. It's too pretty to cover up. LOL
Fine work Tim as usual. I think everyone invloved did there finest work. Now it's Curtis' turn and then we got her covered.
Mike
Post by: Littlefeather on April 29, 2006, 09:18:00 AM
(for Timo)
CK
1573 Ckodre Rd.
Runge, Texas, 78151 (no mis-spellings)
Post by: Littlefeather on April 29, 2006, 09:22:00 AM
Post by: John Sturtevant on April 29, 2006, 10:27:00 AM
The finish will connect and showcase everyone’s efforts.
Curtis, suspect the hand rubbed look would work. You’ll be in the best position to make that call when you have the bow…and whatever you decide to do will be exactly what should be done. :)
Post by: Lost Arra on April 29, 2006, 10:40:00 AM
There are probably bow shoppers who hit the classifieds on Trad Gang but don't follow the BBY or the Osage auction threads on Pow Wow but when they see these masterpieces they might want to get in on the bidding. Since the purpose is to raise $, the more bidders the better.
Go ahead and can this thread if this is a dumb idea.
Post by: wingnut on April 29, 2006, 11:18:00 AM
No pressure!! I can tell you are a football fan. Sending the punter in overtime during the SuperBowl with 30 yds to go. Well maybe we need a place kicker instead. Unless you are looking to dropkick it. LOL
We got the idea anyway. I'll make a run to HomeDepot to get some small cans today and get the carepackage in the mail.
Mike
Post by: horseapple on April 29, 2006, 01:50:00 PM
Joe Don
Post by: Timo on April 29, 2006, 02:14:00 PM
Post by: Littlefeather on April 29, 2006, 02:15:00 PM
OK, Send in the "Place Kicker">>>>----->
Thanks Tim! CK
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 29, 2006, 04:30:00 PM
Edit: I feel obligated to come back and add a qualifier.... Curtis, do what you are comfortable with. Having worked on this bow, I understand how intimidating it is and it's not the kind of place to "try something new" unless you've got bigger b@lls than the average dude... I don't know what kinds of finishes you are accustomed to doing but I've seen your bows and the craftmanship and finish quality looked very good to me so just go ahead and do whatever it is you think best. Then go out and "field test" it in the back 40 with a sharp broadhead and something that squeals real loud when you shoot it. You can say that it was all for quality control testing can't ya????
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 01, 2006, 09:11:00 AM
It's just so cool to see how a bow that traveled so much and was touched by many people's hands, came together so nicely!
Post by: Timo on May 01, 2006, 12:20:00 PM
Post by: Littlefeather on May 01, 2006, 01:41:00 PM
Post by: Littlefeather on May 01, 2006, 01:41:00 PM
Post by: Timo on May 01, 2006, 02:11:00 PM
I sanded the skins lightly before I sent it your way. You'll notice that they appear to have white edges.That will go away after your first coat of finish.
I think the bow is good to go as far as overall sanding, but you can give it a good going over.New eyes sometimes pick up things that others miss.
Post by: JC on May 01, 2006, 02:22:00 PM
Post by: Terry Green on May 01, 2006, 08:03:00 PM
And truly greatful for the effort...Unvelievable. I knew you guys were building a bow....but had no idea to this extent!
You guys really are something else let me tell ya. :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Post by: Dave Bulla on May 02, 2006, 11:49:00 AM
(Yea I know, it's only been one day...)
Post by: Littlefeather on May 02, 2006, 01:07:00 PM
Post by: Littlefeather on May 03, 2006, 07:19:00 PM
PS, has anyone had the guts to put some arrows through her? Not that I'm even thinking about it. Im afraid to touch her. Muy Bonita! CK
Post by: Shaun on May 03, 2006, 07:36:00 PM
Post by: kojac on May 04, 2006, 01:46:00 AM
great job guys
ck, I "WOULDN'T" recommend ya use that hot-box ya built w/the left over feather burner parts for curing this little gem!!
Post by: Doug Campbell on May 04, 2006, 10:09:00 AM
Post by: Chortdraw on May 04, 2006, 05:24:00 PM
Works of art!
Chort
Post by: Dave Bulla on May 06, 2006, 01:55:00 AM
Post by: Littlefeather on May 06, 2006, 06:21:00 AM
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 09, 2006, 01:38:00 PM
Post by: Littlefeather on May 09, 2006, 03:26:00 PM
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 09, 2006, 03:46:00 PM
Post by: Littlefeather on May 09, 2006, 05:10:00 PM
Remember, I'm the guy who punts for extra points. :saywhat:
Post by: Dave Bulla on May 10, 2006, 12:45:00 PM
It's a bit intimidating aint it?
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 10, 2006, 12:52:00 PM
Post by: Dave Bulla on May 12, 2006, 01:58:00 AM
(again....hint hint)
Post by: AZStickman on May 12, 2006, 08:09:00 AM
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 12, 2006, 08:13:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on May 12, 2006, 09:36:00 AM
Mike
Post by: Littlefeather on May 12, 2006, 09:45:00 AM
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 12, 2006, 12:27:00 PM
Post by: Dave Bulla on May 13, 2006, 01:42:00 AM
By the way, no problem on the pics from here either.
Post by: Littlefeather on May 14, 2006, 08:32:00 AM
Post by: Dave Bulla on May 15, 2006, 12:33:00 PM
Hhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm........not to sound like a little kid with the "are we there yet???" thing going on but "is it done yet?????"
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Post by: Littlefeather on May 15, 2006, 12:58:00 PM
Post by: Littlefeather on May 16, 2006, 09:28:00 AM
Post by: UKarcher on May 16, 2006, 09:47:00 AM
Graham
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 16, 2006, 11:15:00 AM
Waiting, waiting, waiting. ;)
Post by: Dave Bulla on May 16, 2006, 12:39:00 PM
_________________________________________________________________________________
Rain, rain, much wind, and did I say "RAIN"....(Have I failed to meet a time line?) CK
_________________________________________________________________________________
Sorry Curtis...... no timeline, just some friendly heckling from the stands. But in a been there done that kinda way. :D :thumbsup:
So, when we gonna see Ms. Jude with her makeup on?
Oh wait, there I went and did it again..... :banghead: :banghead:
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 16, 2006, 01:28:00 PM
Post by: Littlefeather on May 16, 2006, 02:19:00 PM
When it's ready for finish, just send it to me. :bigsmyl:
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 16, 2006, 02:22:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on May 16, 2006, 03:04:00 PM
Post by: Tim Clark on May 16, 2006, 08:38:00 PM
But now Curtis has to replicate the entire thing, all by his lonesome.
(let's see how long it takes for THAT to make him 'fess up!) :readit: :bigsmyl:
Post by: Dano on May 16, 2006, 08:53:00 PM
Post by: Littlefeather on May 16, 2006, 09:51:00 PM
I have to say that the reason I wanted to finish this bow is because I go to extreem in final sanding. I don't like the tiniest scratch left in the bow before I lay on finish. It always shows up later. I have to say I was quite impressed with the way the bow arrived. All the guys before me quite obviously put in their best work. It was difficult to actually find spots to touch up. I raise my glass to you guys! :thumbsup: After the final coat went on I was convinced that this was the cleanest finish I'd ever done. Im quite excited about buffing her out mirror smooth. More tomorrow! CK
Post by: John Sturtevant on May 17, 2006, 06:55:00 PM
Has anyone had the bow strung since the overlays were put on the back of the handle?
Post by: Littlefeather on May 17, 2006, 09:41:00 PM
I went through serious mental fatigue deciding if I would string her or not. I've drawn her about 20" and set her down. I couldn't show back up on T-gang if I broke it! Once the string settles in I'll unstring it and rub some more. I'd like to see someone design a special arrow pass. I don't have any good material. Nothing I'd want to put on this bow. CK
Post by: Dave Bulla on May 18, 2006, 01:49:00 AM
:bigsmyl: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Post by: Cody Cantrell on May 18, 2006, 10:09:00 AM
I have some beaver tail that would work for the arrow pass (strike plate?)if you want it.
Cody
Post by: Littlefeather on May 18, 2006, 10:39:00 AM
CK
1573 Ckodre Rd.
Runge, Tx 78151 (no mis-spellings)
Post by: JC on May 18, 2006, 10:45:00 AM
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 18, 2006, 01:14:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on May 18, 2006, 01:47:00 PM
Aren't you going to post some eye candy for us?!
Pleasseee? :help:
Post by: Cody Cantrell on May 18, 2006, 02:30:00 PM
Cody
Post by: Littlefeather on May 18, 2006, 02:48:00 PM
I will post some pics in the AM. I do think you will be disappointed in the pics though. I elected to go with a satin rub and no gloss. Basically, unless you are holding the bow where you can feel it and gleen light on it from different angles, you'd probably think it's just hand rubbed/polished wood. If you could hold it in the light though-Oooohhhhh man! CK
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 18, 2006, 03:04:00 PM
Post by: Cody Cantrell on May 18, 2006, 03:49:00 PM
Post by: Littlefeather on May 18, 2006, 05:11:00 PM
Post by: AZStickman on May 18, 2006, 05:21:00 PM
Post by: John Sturtevant on May 18, 2006, 06:55:00 PM
Don’t be afraid to shoot it.
Pretty good chance it won’t break....
Unless the finish weakened the wood fibers? :)
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 19, 2006, 12:02:00 PM
:archer:
p.s. it's almost noon man! no pics?
Post by: Danny Rowan on May 20, 2006, 05:47:00 AM
Danny
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 20, 2006, 08:41:00 AM
Uhhhh CK? Hows about some pics dude!?
Post by: Littlefeather on May 20, 2006, 05:48:00 PM
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/ck/hopehandle.jpg)
A look at her smooth belly.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/ck/Hopebelly.jpg)
and a look down her back.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/ck/hopeback.jpg)
Sweet hu? I'll start the bidding at a grand Danny! CK
Post by: Danny Rowan on May 20, 2006, 05:54:00 PM
Danny
Post by: wingnut on May 20, 2006, 06:05:00 PM
Mike
Post by: Dave Bulla on May 20, 2006, 09:37:00 PM
Got any pics of the skins from a better angle after the clear went on? I was wondering how the color and transparency would change after the clear went on.
Post by: Dano on May 21, 2006, 07:37:00 AM
Post by: Shaun on May 21, 2006, 08:56:00 AM
No fair starting the bidding so high, give a few guys a chance to own it even its only for a few minutes till the next bid.
Post by: Tom Leemans on May 22, 2006, 05:34:00 AM
Post by: Littlefeather on May 22, 2006, 07:49:00 AM
Post by: Cody Cantrell on May 22, 2006, 08:21:00 AM
I sent you a PM on friday. The arrow pass material is on the way, should be there today or tommorow.
Cody
Post by: Ray Lyon on May 22, 2006, 01:42:00 PM
Hmmm, that's an unfair advantage in order to try and build up your bow buying piggy bank!
Post by: Cody Cantrell on May 25, 2006, 11:59:00 AM
Cody
Post by: Littlefeather on May 25, 2006, 03:39:00 PM
Post by: Cody Cantrell on May 26, 2006, 07:24:00 AM
Cody
Post by: AZStickman on May 26, 2006, 03:06:00 PM
Post by: Carbon Caster on May 26, 2006, 03:34:00 PM
I am going to have the sheath finished for the knife that was Rainman built for it by the middle of next week. If he doesn't have pics of the Knife, I can take some and post them. That Snakewood is PRETTY Stuff!!!!!! I hope my hack leatherwork doesn't ugly it up too much!! LOL!!!
Brian
Post by: AZStickman on May 29, 2006, 01:06:00 PM
Post by: Littlefeather on May 30, 2006, 07:11:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on June 01, 2006, 09:12:00 AM
Thanks for taking the lead in my absence. You did great bud. I'm back now and ready to whip this horse to the finish. LOL
First of all to clarify the rumors that are running around. We did have a small problem with the handle overlay. The snakewood that was put on the back of the bow with the horn popped. Being yew, the bow flexs a little through the handle and the snakewood decided it didn't want to bend. After discussing this with Curtis we decided to have the bow shipped here for Jason and me to bring home.
Our plan at the moment is to make sure the horn is solid and if so to shape and refinish it with the horn but not the snakewood. The horn will flex and be there forever.
It was not Curtis' decision to not discuss this with the general public but mine. We had called or emailed the bowyers involved with the project to get opinions but knew the bow was solid and would be fine. We would have had this completed by now if I hadn't been called away for Connie's mothers funeral.
The bow will be here on Monday and will be a first priority in our shop til it's ready to ship to the winner.
If you have any concerns or questions, please direct them to me at:
[email protected]
Thanks,
Mike
Post by: Tom Leemans on June 02, 2006, 11:21:00 AM
Curtis - Thanks for catching the "problem" when you did. Better now than later.
Post by: Terry Green on June 03, 2006, 10:25:00 AM
Post by: Dave Bulla on June 09, 2006, 11:09:00 AM
I can't find the bow on the St Judes forum. The auction is over but I just looked for it to see what it ended up going for and can't find it.
Mike, I'm sure you and Jason can "Git 'er done" in style.