Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 10, 2006, 05:12:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2751.jpg)
What with the cuts being what they were, the glue lines on the back of the bow, weren't looking all that pretty, so I glued on an overlay of that red wood and some purpleheart. Here's a pic right out of the clamps. I let the glue dry a full 48 hours, but it was in my cold basement, so that slowed the drying process a lot. I don't have any pictures of the bow without glue everywhere, but hopefully will tomorrow, if not tonight. It's drying of the woodstove right now.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2750.jpg)
Almost forgot, this bow is 63 1/2 inches ntn with asymetrical limbs. 1 1/4 at the widest until 15 inches from the tip, tapering out to 3/8 tips. Aiming for 50@29. This is uneven lmb length thinger is another first for me, so it'll be an adventure.
This is the hardcore crunch time at school, so this will probably take a fair amount of time to complete. I've got boat loads of homework every night as well as several other commitments, so I can only work on the bow during rare down time.
:bigsmyl:
Post by: Aaron Proffitt 2 on January 10, 2006, 05:21:00 PM
Post by: Guru on January 10, 2006, 05:24:00 PM
Post by: On Fire aka Charlie on January 10, 2006, 05:27:00 PM
Charlie
Post by: heydeerman on January 10, 2006, 06:37:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 10, 2006, 06:44:00 PM
did a bit of rasping, hopefully an update is coming sometime soon.
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 10, 2006, 07:38:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2774.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2775.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2773.jpg)
now for making it bend :)
Post by: Tim Clark on January 10, 2006, 07:40:00 PM
...oh wait, he already IS!!! :smileystooges:
sorry, Luke... but hey, look at the results!!!
>sniff!< we're so proud!!!! :D
Post by: Killdeer on January 10, 2006, 07:57:00 PM
Just curious, what are your favorite and least favorite subjects at school?
Do the best you can now, in school, while you are young and strong and know everything. Everything builds on a foundation, so make it the best you can. We don't hang out with no dummies.
Unless they build good bows... :D
Killdeer
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 10, 2006, 08:08:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2758.jpg)
my favorite subject is probably gym, or maybe music, or maybe chemistry. I dunno, they're all fun :) . Least farvorite would probably be career studies. 74 minutes of nothing.
Post by: Killdeer on January 10, 2006, 08:18:00 PM
Thanks, Luke, for the pic. Now I can see how much room it will take in my pick-m-up, and where it is located in the house. Now, can you mapquest your address for me?
:bigsmyl:
You know better than that!!
Killdeer
!["[tunglaff]"]("graemlins/tunglaff.gif" "\"\"")
Post by: Killdeer on January 10, 2006, 09:10:00 PM
Further, I know the arcane arts of the chainfall, plus am able to harness the power of the wedge, the screw, and the lever. I know "Lefty Lucy and Righty-tighty. Add to this that my job is a physical workout and that I am a mountain-hunting deer-dragger, and I think that if I can get my truck to your house, you owe me some serious food!
And I like expensive eats. So, young man, study hard, and keep your whereabouts a secret!
Killdeer~master of the old age and treachery thing!
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 10, 2006, 09:57:00 PM
Last picture for the day. Not much of an update, just showing where it's at. This limb has about two inches of reflex. Not much bend going on. Yet :)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2776.jpg)
hopefully more tomorrow
Post by: TaylorJohn on January 10, 2006, 10:17:00 PM
I really like the look of the handle, though. And the laminations of all the woods make it look pretty sweet. Just wow.
Man, maybe I'll have to get building em' too...
- Taylor
PS: What poundage are you going for on that one? I may have to turn on the arrow making machine again.
Post by: Hunter John on January 10, 2006, 10:40:00 PM
!["[nope]"]("graemlins/nope.gif" "\"\"")
Keep up the good workJohn
Post by: horseapple on January 11, 2006, 12:40:00 AM
Joe Don
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 11, 2006, 07:36:00 AM
Homework?? Ohh yeah.... :readit:
Thanks for the advice Joe. I see what you're saying, but I think that's just the contrast between the aged wood and the wood that got touched by the rasp. The darker wood has been sitting awhile, and when I cleaned up the ovelays, a very small layer got knocked off, presenting a lighter area.
Post by: RayMO on January 11, 2006, 07:41:00 AM
Kelly, I love my wood stove :D
Post by: TexMex on January 11, 2006, 08:03:00 AM
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on January 11, 2006, 08:06:00 AM
Looking good Luke. :thumbsup: You've got a "cool hand". :D
Post by: Tom Leemans on January 11, 2006, 08:15:00 AM
Post by: horseapple on January 11, 2006, 10:03:00 AM
Joe Don
Post by: Cody Roiter on January 11, 2006, 11:04:00 AM
Your doing a good job on that longbow
i dont know if the bow i am making you
will be as good that one. Way to go my friend
Post by: 1gutpile on January 11, 2006, 01:34:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 11, 2006, 02:55:00 PM
No problem Cody, just the fact that you are making one for me is good enough. I'm sure you could though.
Thanks Kurt. I have a feeling this is going to be the one that makes the final cut. I can't decide whether or not to skin this bow when it's done. The osage looks so nice alone, but it also looks so nice with the black rat skins. I'll cross the bridge when I get there.
Thanks all, I'll try and get some more work done tonight
Post by: On Fire aka Charlie on January 11, 2006, 03:11:00 PM
Charlie
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 11, 2006, 03:30:00 PM
Post by: bow loving man on January 11, 2006, 03:50:00 PM
Post by: 1gutpile on January 11, 2006, 03:51:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 11, 2006, 04:05:00 PM
Back to the basement!
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 11, 2006, 05:19:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2786.jpg)
I have to go to the hardware store and pick up a new nock file - lost mine somewhere in all the...stuff - so work is kinda halted for the day. The tip is only partially shaped, planning on finishing that after tillering.
:) :)
Post by: hunt4life on January 11, 2006, 06:00:00 PM
Post by: Carbon Caster on January 11, 2006, 08:18:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 11, 2006, 10:46:00 PM
Post by: hunt4life on January 12, 2006, 05:57:00 AM
Post by: AZStickman on January 12, 2006, 07:08:00 AM
Post by: Cody Roiter on January 12, 2006, 07:36:00 AM
I sure do like that bow. Its one of the best bows i have seen by made buy a teenager. Way to go.
Best to you Luke.
Cody
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 12, 2006, 03:00:00 PM
Thanks Cody, but it's not over yet. The hard part is still to come.
Thanks everybody :)
Post by: On Fire aka Charlie on January 12, 2006, 03:23:00 PM
Charlie
Post by: Bama Stan on January 12, 2006, 07:50:00 PM
Great job. "Far away from Killy" I liked that.
Stan
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 12, 2006, 09:17:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2788.jpg)
First pull. It'll looking like all the bend in the right limb is hapening right off the fade, which I kinda expected. That area had to be taken down a bit so I could put the handle on a flat surface. Still have a lot of weight to play with, so I'm hoping it will be ok
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2790.jpg)
*Note the Canadian Tire blanket :D
back in a bit
Post by: Aaron Proffitt 2 on January 12, 2006, 10:52:00 PM
Post by: TaylorJohn on January 13, 2006, 12:30:00 AM
Lookin' good dude, keep at'r!
Post by: Cody Roiter on January 13, 2006, 07:35:00 AM
Your bow looks like a old howard hill longbow.
I am going to try to make a bow out of the osage
that i have. are you going to make some new wood arrow for that bow.
Best to you
Cody
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 13, 2006, 07:58:00 AM
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on January 13, 2006, 08:20:00 AM
Thanks for letting us ride along. :thumbsup:
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 14, 2006, 09:31:00 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2792.jpg)
Got to go to work.
Post by: B.O.D. on January 14, 2006, 10:36:00 AM
did you get a PM concerning some elk sinew??? I steered a buddy your way.
BD
Post by: Randy Morin on January 14, 2006, 03:28:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 14, 2006, 05:27:00 PM
Aiming for 50@29
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 15, 2006, 04:23:00 PM
Back to the basement!
Post by: Dano on January 15, 2006, 04:42:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 15, 2006, 05:20:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2801.jpg)
this is fun :bigsmyl:
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 15, 2006, 07:12:00 PM
Did that make sense??
Here's a pic. You can't see it all that well, but it might give you an idea about what I'm talking about
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2811.jpg)
What do I do?? Redo the overlays? sinew? patch? Think nothing of it and keep going? :help:
Post by: Dano on January 15, 2006, 07:36:00 PM
Post by: Carbon Caster on January 15, 2006, 07:41:00 PM
Post by: Carbon Caster on January 15, 2006, 07:44:00 PM
You can do it. Just don't get in too much of a hurry.
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 15, 2006, 09:53:00 PM
!["[dntthnk]"]("graemlins/dntthnk.gif" "\"\"")
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2814.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2819.jpg)
Post by: the Ferret on January 15, 2006, 10:02:00 PM
Sorry to see that young Luke.
Post by: wolfhawaii on January 16, 2006, 12:49:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on January 16, 2006, 09:01:00 AM
Mike
Post by: Haf2hunt on January 16, 2006, 09:41:00 AM
Hink
Post by: Killdeer on January 16, 2006, 09:57:00 AM
And you ARE miles ahead of me in this game! :readit:
Post by: Pat B on January 16, 2006, 11:10:00 AM
Post by: Shakes.602 on January 16, 2006, 12:29:00 PM
This goes out to all the Bowyers, or anyone else that has done this. :thumbsup:
Post by: kkriegg on January 16, 2006, 01:38:00 PM
Post by: Ryan O'Sullivan on January 16, 2006, 02:29:00 PM
next time if you get a thin spot like that make sure you take down the rest of the limb to the same thickness or thiner and you wont have anymore problems. To bad it was looking so nice, but dont give up it hapens to the best of us.
Post by: Jim Spencer on January 16, 2006, 02:37:00 PM
Post by: B.O.D. on January 16, 2006, 02:56:00 PM
BD( and slow the heck down!!!! ;) )
Post by: Eric Krewson on January 16, 2006, 03:00:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/bow%20making/frankenbowhandleside.jpg)
The same area after the bow was finished.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/bow%20making/FBfinishedhandle.jpg)
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 16, 2006, 03:04:00 PM
Mike I'll have to take a look at your risers and see how you did it. I really like the looks of a cut in shelf, so I'm looking for a way to do this. I've done it on every board bow I've made, but the poundages on those were a fair amount lighter than this.
Killy my next stave is a bow for Sackett, just waiting to be sinewed. Ash static recurve. After that I have to wait for my new osage to dry, I've got plenty of it, but it's all green.
Pat I normally leave the handle work until after tillering as well, but I was too excited about the new woods to just let this one be. Another lesson learned the hard way.
I'm not sure Shakes, I don't have that much experience with these things.
Ryan I was trying to bring the rest of the limb down just by tillering out the hinge. I've done it too many times where I saw a thin spot and took down the rest of the limb to accomodate it, only to creat a weak area somewhere else.
Do you guys think this bow is salvageable? I would really like to get this bow shooting. What if I filled the crack with glue like kkreig said, maybe filled the arrow rest, glue on a longer, stronger handle and then sinew backed it? The handle would cover the hingy area, and come to the end of the crack. Possibly wrap the crack with... something. Maybe recurve it to deal with the added stress of a shorter working limb section.
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 16, 2006, 03:06:00 PM
Post by: Eric Krewson on January 16, 2006, 03:09:00 PM
Post by: Carbon Caster on January 16, 2006, 03:12:00 PM
You need to be sure to start your SMALLER cut in shelfs below the end of the fades. I think the problem was you had it cut almost past the fades. The shelf doesn't have to be very tall. You can go that deep or almost that deep, but you can not go that tall unless you have a much longer stiff handle section. The bow I sent you pictures of was seemingly hopeless, but most things are fixable. Maybe you can become the master of the oops like me!!!!
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 16, 2006, 03:22:00 PM
Thank Brian, I'll have to try that. I just kind of "did" the shelf on this bow, rather than thought and then did. When the dust cleared, I had a very nice looking arrow rest, but obviously here beauty doesn't mean function.
Ok, I think I'm going to try to save this bow. My mom is an artist and would like to use this bow and one like it in an art piece, and she's offering me a fairly large comission if it sells, but right now, this bow means more to me than just money. If it's possible, I'm going to do my best to make this bow shoot.
Post by: Carbon Caster on January 16, 2006, 03:26:00 PM
S L O W L Y!!!!!!!
Post by: Lost Arra on January 16, 2006, 03:41:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 16, 2006, 03:42:00 PM
Post by: Lost Arra on January 16, 2006, 03:52:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 16, 2006, 04:15:00 PM
Post by: wingnut on January 16, 2006, 05:26:00 PM
I've patched a few and they are still going. Although mine never turned out as pretty as Erics.
Mike
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 16, 2006, 05:47:00 PM
I'm going to be needing a lot of advice from here on in. Anything and everything is welcome. This patching thing is uncharted territory for me, so the waters might get a little rough.
Post by: Tilbilly on January 16, 2006, 05:47:00 PM
Post by: Eric Krewson on January 16, 2006, 07:32:00 PM
Don't know about using a different wood for the patch. If you have some green osage scraps you can dry it in a microwave in a few minutes. Don't turn the microwave on for more than a minute at a time as the wood will burn from the inside out if you don't check it real often.
Make sure your mom is not home if you use the microwave. They tend to frown on such use of technology.
Post by: BillJ on January 16, 2006, 08:12:00 PM
Luke, I'm a novice at this bowyer stuff, so I can't offer you any advice. But I do appreciate all your talent, and want you to know I learn things from every one of your posts. Keep at it. I'm really interested in how it finally turns out.
Bill J
Post by: Ryan O'Sullivan on January 16, 2006, 09:37:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 16, 2006, 11:03:00 PM
Post by: Hunter John on January 17, 2006, 12:59:00 AM
John
Post by: B.O.D. on January 17, 2006, 06:42:00 AM
Maybe something along the lines of a Dryad for all wood, but I think you would do well making them. If you love the look why not follow it?
BD.
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 17, 2006, 07:46:00 AM
Post by: Cody Roiter on January 18, 2006, 12:01:00 PM
lams for you. I can make them for you for free.
aslo for a hot box you can used anything.
i will take pics of my hot box for you.
best to you.
CODY
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 18, 2006, 12:58:00 PM
Post by: Aeronut on January 18, 2006, 01:08:00 PM
I have some extra porcelin light sockets that I salvaged (I'm a pack rat) that I'll send ya for it if you'll pm me your mailing addy.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/aeronut/DSC00243.jpg)
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 18, 2006, 01:12:00 PM
Post by: Cody Roiter on January 18, 2006, 01:24:00 PM
that a nice hot box aeronut.
Cody
Post by: shapeshifter on January 18, 2006, 09:32:00 PM
Post by: hunt4life on January 20, 2006, 04:25:00 PM
Post by: Josh_IOWA on January 20, 2006, 05:30:00 PM
I think one way you can make that bow unbacked is to strip off the old handle and put a 24"x1/4" piece on the belly and work it gently feathered. Then you can glue a block on top of that.
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 20, 2006, 07:36:00 PM
What do you guys think. recurve or no? I'm thinking if I'm going to sinew it I might as well flip the tips. Love them curves :)
Post by: NorthShoreLB on January 20, 2006, 08:37:00 PM
things like cut shelfs recurves, will come with time.
don't run before you've cougth the ball.
however experimenting is fun :bigsmyl: :bigsmyl:
but a working bow is more fun
!["[laffsmyl]"]("graemlins/laffsmyl.gif" "\"\"")
Manny
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 23, 2006, 04:46:00 PM
Here's the pieces laid out in order
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2846.jpg)
and all matched up, kind of a semi dry fit
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2851.jpg)
hopefully I'll manage to glue it up tonight before volleyball.
Post by: wingnut on January 23, 2006, 05:29:00 PM
Whats the red wood? Paduak?
I hope not, it is pretty unreliable in a handle.
Redheart or Bloodwood and you got it knocked.
Mike
Post by: Carbon Caster on January 23, 2006, 05:33:00 PM
He is not sure, but it sure looks like paduak. It is kind of brittle. Makes pretty overlays, but I wouldn't use it for that patch.
If you haven't glued it yet, I would cut some more osage and use it in place of the Paduak.
Post by: wingnut on January 23, 2006, 05:39:00 PM
Do not put paduak in the patch. It is a lot of work to just watch it come undone. Well not watch exactly more like wear. Like in doesn't Luke look nice wearing his new limb hat?
Oh it's not a hat. . . Bummer.
Mike
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 23, 2006, 05:48:00 PM
The second accent is purpleheart. Is that ok?
Whew, that was close :readit:
Post by: wingnut on January 23, 2006, 05:51:00 PM
Mike
Post by: Carbon Caster on January 23, 2006, 06:20:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 24, 2006, 05:52:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2854.jpg)
The view from above
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2859.jpg)
close up of the 4 lams
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2861.jpg)
I went with 3 osage and 1 purpleheart piece, just to keep things interesting :D
Anything bad so far? :help:
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 24, 2006, 08:57:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2863.jpg)
Dry run
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2865.jpg)
Post by: AZStickman on January 24, 2006, 09:00:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 24, 2006, 09:05:00 PM
Post by: hunt4life on January 24, 2006, 09:19:00 PM
!["[heman]"]("graemlins/heman.gif" "\"\"")
lol
Post by: Dano on January 24, 2006, 09:23:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 24, 2006, 09:26:00 PM
Post by: 1gutpile on January 25, 2006, 09:41:00 AM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 25, 2006, 01:11:00 PM
Post by: 1gutpile on January 25, 2006, 03:46:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 25, 2006, 09:06:00 PM
Post by: Buffler Razz on January 25, 2006, 09:21:00 PM
Post by: Linc on January 26, 2006, 04:27:00 AM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 26, 2006, 12:18:00 PM
I love half days at school! Got home at 10 oclock :D . So, with all this free time, I said to myself "What should I do? Clean the kitchen? Do a few loads of laundry? Maybe clean my room? Phhh, yeah right!" So I worked on bows :bigsmyl:
I think the handle glued up pretty good, don't see any really major problems with the glue line :)
Here's how it's looking right now
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2869.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2870.jpg)
When it started out the limbs were asymetrical, but I tried to make the top fade longer than the bottom to make the limbs equal length but still have the handle lower on the center line. It worked, but I didn't like the looks of it, so I drew out the handle and fades again, and now have two symetrical limbs.
Post by: 1gutpile on January 26, 2006, 01:26:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 26, 2006, 01:56:00 PM
I decided to take the plunge and recurve the tips a little. Not a huge amount, but enough to help reduce the stack for my long draw.
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 26, 2006, 02:54:00 PM
Purpleheart accent stripe, as always :)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2872.jpg)
I found doing this that osage is a LOT easier to recurve than white wood, at least in my experience. Looking forward to doing it some more :)
Post by: 1gutpile on January 26, 2006, 02:55:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 26, 2006, 03:00:00 PM
I draw 29. On a short day.
"You're gonna be a recovery pro after this one"
LOL. I'm going to need to be if I keep making bows like I normally do :knothead:
Oh yeah, I used dry heat to bend it.
Post by: Dano on January 26, 2006, 03:34:00 PM
Post by: hunt4life on January 26, 2006, 03:39:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 26, 2006, 04:28:00 PM
Thanks Dano :)
How long should I leave it in the jig? I used dry heat, if that matters
Post by: TaylorJohn on January 26, 2006, 04:32:00 PM
I can't wait to see'r finished... maybe even shoot her one day ;)
Keep on truckin', you're impressing me more and more.
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 27, 2006, 08:26:00 PM
I'm thinking I put in a bit too much recurve for my liking, so is it possible to thin the tip a bit and glue on the underlays without bending them first? This would pull out a bit of the reflex, but I'm just wondering if this would hurt the wood cells. I don't want to reheat and derecurve :smileystooges:
BTW just recurved the second tip. Went smooth as silk :)
Post by: Dano on January 28, 2006, 07:10:00 AM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on January 28, 2006, 06:24:00 PM
Biggest mess I've ever seen in my life. :D Glue absolutely everywhere :readit: . The glue is still drying now, I'll get some pics up tomorrow.
P.S. to any beginners following this, I am also a beginner. All the methods and whatnot shown here are probably not the right way to do things, just the way I took. This is not an informational buildalong so much as just posting my progress as I go.
Post by: TaylorJohn on January 28, 2006, 11:23:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on February 01, 2006, 02:11:00 PM
As of now I have the sides of the tips roughed out, but that's as far as I've gotten. I'm not very happy with how the underlays turned out, one tip especially. I made a very stupid and for some reason figured that the curve didn't need clamps because of the physics involved in bending the wood. Good thing I'm not taking physics. :knothead: . Here's a pic of the worst tip. Weird thing is the glue line on the other side of this tip is just fine. This part certainly isn't though. I'm thinking about cutting off these underlays and trying it again. Any opinions?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2884.jpg)
Here's a pic of the other tip. Some small separations among the lams.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2894.jpg)
The bow has been in my closest for a couple days, and when I took it out today I noticed these little cracks in the riser. I'm not really worried about them as they will be removed when I take the handle down to final shape, but I'm wondering why they're there, and if anymore troublesome ones will come up.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2906.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2901.jpg)
This one has been there since I glued the handle, but it's gotten a bit larger
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2903.jpg)
:help:
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on February 01, 2006, 04:36:00 PM
should I redo the tips? Should I be worried about the cracks?
Post by: wingnut on February 01, 2006, 04:43:00 PM
the cracks look like the osage wasn't totally dry and is trying to contract. Should be a problem but keep an eye on it. As far as the tips go, you made your bed now sleep in it. LOL
My dad used to say that and I never have figured what it ment. Why would you make your bed before you sleep in it?
Anyway I'd go with what ya got and make a bow.
It's time to go forward. Use the force, Luke.
LOL
Mike
Post by: Carbon Caster on February 01, 2006, 05:46:00 PM
Post by: Dano on February 01, 2006, 07:13:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on February 01, 2006, 10:49:00 PM
Alrighty, sounds like it's time to get this baby bending some more. :) . I'm up for that. :) . I'll find some superglue (that's what CA glue is right?) and fill those cracks.
The moisture thing makes sense. I was just a little confused because the crack in the last pic actually goes into the purpleheart, which was kept in a very dry place. Anyways, it'll have plenty of time to dry out after the sinew
Thanks guys :)
Post by: 1gutpile on February 03, 2006, 10:54:00 AM
Post by: Tim Clark on February 03, 2006, 11:50:00 AM
Not a build-along, eh? It is in my book. In fact, maybe there's more to learn from this than from one that goes perfectly from start to finish. This thread at least presents many many "oops" opportunities to be brought out in the open and remedied as you go.
Proud of ya. You've got guts. Tell your parents from me that I salute them - they're doing a fine job of raising you. And if you're half as tenacious regarding your schoolwork and hobbies as you are with this, then I expect to see your name in print quite a bit in the future.
Well done, Master Luke. And it's wonderful to see all the terrific input from The Great Ones, too. What a bunch of great guys and gals on here...
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on February 04, 2006, 11:41:00 PM
Not a whole lot to report today. I only got a small amount of time to work on this her, so I did some more tip alingment. Hopefully they line up this time around. :knothead: . I'll get some more up tomorrow.
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on February 05, 2006, 01:41:00 PM
Here's the bow at rest
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2919.jpg)
Pulled 5 or 6 inches. I think the inner thirds of both limbs are bending a bit too much, need to get the rest of the limb doing some work too.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2924.jpg)
Post by: Dano on February 05, 2006, 05:15:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on February 05, 2006, 10:30:00 PM
Post by: the Ferret on February 05, 2006, 11:12:00 PM
Post by: TaylorJohn on February 05, 2006, 11:21:00 PM
I'm eagerly awaiting the outcome of this masterpiece, I can't wait to shoot it!
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on February 06, 2006, 01:12:00 AM
lol Taylor, I don't know what all those unfortunate Americans do without Canadian Tire :D
Post by: Cody Roiter on February 06, 2006, 07:34:00 AM
Yes what would we do without the Canadian Tire.
best to you.
Cody
Post by: Bert Frelink on February 08, 2006, 11:57:00 AM
I have build some bows out of questionable wood but you take the cake my friend.
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on February 08, 2006, 12:58:00 PM
With a lot of effort I got it strung yesterday. Brace height WOULD have been 3 or 4 inches, but the bow is still high in poundage and all I have for strings is B50. The string stretched right down to the handle :mad: . Still got a lot of weight to play with.
Post by: Carbon Caster on February 08, 2006, 01:22:00 PM
Send me your address again via PM, and I will send you a half used spool of black 450+ that I have NO use for anymore. I use 8125, and I don't need this stuff taking up space. Looking good by the way. If you can't get it down below 65-70# you can always send it out west.
Brina
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on February 08, 2006, 02:51:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on February 09, 2006, 09:52:00 PM
Profile
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2926.jpg)
Drawn 10 inches
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN2927.jpg)
Post by: B.O.D. on February 10, 2006, 06:15:00 AM
BD9 hope you had that in a nice dry spot, cause it wasn't quite dry eh?) :scared: :readit: ;) :p
Post by: Cody Roiter on February 10, 2006, 07:34:00 AM
Luke your doing a very good job on the bow.
I think this one will be the one that will work
for you.
Best to you.
Cody
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on February 10, 2006, 07:58:00 AM
Thanks Cody
Post by: 1gutpile on February 10, 2006, 02:05:00 PM
Post by: hunt4life on February 15, 2006, 10:34:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on February 16, 2006, 07:21:00 AM
Post by: the Ferret on February 16, 2006, 07:55:00 AM
Post by: wingnut on February 16, 2006, 08:14:00 AM
I was thinking the same thing. Otherwise the sinew only hides the fault not fixes it. Then one day your shooting away and BAM the whole thing goes nuke and you don't know why.
Mike
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on February 16, 2006, 08:55:00 AM
Post by: 1gutpile on February 17, 2006, 11:44:00 AM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on March 02, 2006, 05:49:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN3058.jpg)
Thanks bruce!
I think I found the little *tick*, right in the fade, I think just because that area (the hinge) is still bending a bit and I didn't round the corners right there. I rasped most of it away and the rest will be removed when we do the final shaping of the handle. I'm not too worried. Hopefully.
Post by: the Ferret on March 02, 2006, 10:12:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on March 08, 2006, 08:32:00 PM
Our crockpot broke, so I had to go for a more traditional kind of setup. After this pic was taken I went for the double boiler for the glue, it was just getting to hot sitting by itself.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN3060.jpg)
Down Killy! Down! My fire!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN3073.jpg)
Two layers, a thick bottom layer and a much thinner, finer layer on top. Overall I think it went pretty well. Certainly went a lot faster than my first job :readit:
:)
Post by: Dano on March 08, 2006, 09:09:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on March 08, 2006, 09:32:00 PM
Post by: Dano on March 08, 2006, 09:51:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on March 08, 2006, 09:54:00 PM
Post by: Dano on March 08, 2006, 10:01:00 PM
Post by: the Ferret on March 08, 2006, 10:10:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on March 08, 2006, 10:16:00 PM
Thanks Mickey!
Post by: hilltoparcher on March 09, 2006, 12:52:00 AM
HTA
Post by: Bert Frelink on March 15, 2006, 04:38:00 PM
Looking forward to more news as you get along.
Regards, Bert
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on March 15, 2006, 07:29:00 PM
Oh yeah, pics are good :D
Post by: 12Ring on March 15, 2006, 07:30:00 PM
12Ring
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on March 15, 2006, 07:33:00 PM
How you keepin?
Post by: 12Ring on March 15, 2006, 07:34:00 PM
12Ring
Post by: Little Tree on March 15, 2006, 08:06:00 PM
Post by: Bert Frelink on March 18, 2006, 06:27:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on March 18, 2006, 06:43:00 PM
Thanks Little Tree, I'm feeling better, but still waiting on the sinew to dry :(
Post by: wakolbinger on March 18, 2006, 10:52:00 PM
danny
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on March 18, 2006, 11:20:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 02, 2006, 09:16:00 AM
Question. When I induced the reflex it came out a little uneven. One limb has almost a full 2 inches more reflex than the other. Should I just go with it as it is and make the reflexed limb the bottom, or is it possible to adjust the handle so that the reflex is even when you hold it?
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 02, 2006, 02:14:00 PM
Post by: Bert Frelink on April 02, 2006, 05:57:00 PM
Did you get my mail yet?
The "tri-Lam" I coming along nicely,will send you some pic's soon.
Regards, Bert
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 02, 2006, 06:03:00 PM
Looking forward to some updates on the tri-lam :)
Post by: Dano on April 02, 2006, 06:06:00 PM
Post by: Carbon Caster on April 02, 2006, 06:42:00 PM
Post by: George Tsoukalas on April 02, 2006, 08:09:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 02, 2006, 09:25:00 PM
Nicely done Dano, vague but you still sound like you know what you're talking about :D
Thanks Brian, looking forward to seeing it. Let me know how much the shipping costs and I'll send it with the movie when I return it.
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 09, 2006, 03:09:00 PM
The sinew added a lot more weight than I expected. I don't have a working scale, so I can't accurately determine how much weight but it's a fair bit.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN3232.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN3233.jpg)
Post by: Dano on April 09, 2006, 03:49:00 PM
Post by: Tilbilly on April 09, 2006, 04:49:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 09, 2006, 09:42:00 PM
Here's the latest.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN3236.jpg)
oh yeah, the limbs are flipped from the pic before
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 11, 2006, 09:51:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN3240.jpg)
DANG it is hard stringing an overweight recurve with 3/8 inch tips and a bunch of reflex :readit:
Post by: Terry Green on April 11, 2006, 10:01:00 PM
Its great to see a youngster working the craft of the sport.
Your doing fantastic....can't wait to see the finished bow.
My hats off to ya Sir :thumbsup:
Post by: superkodiak on April 11, 2006, 11:12:00 PM
Post by: Bert Frelink on April 12, 2006, 06:45:00 PM
How is the squirrel population holding up?
Regards, Bert
Post by: Dano on April 12, 2006, 07:00:00 PM
Post by: NorthShoreLB on April 12, 2006, 07:01:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 12, 2006, 09:41:00 PM
Either way though, I've got a bit of work to do on that limb still. Help me out here, remember I'm still a hack beginner with this stuff.
Bert I think the squirrel population is actually going UP, not down :readit:
My shooting needs a bit of work :D
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 15, 2006, 09:06:00 PM
Here's a better unbraced pic
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN3260.jpg)
Drawn with a 2 inch brace height
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN3259.jpg)
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 15, 2006, 10:28:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN3265.jpg)
Post by: Dano on April 16, 2006, 09:22:00 AM
Post by: Chris R on April 16, 2006, 11:32:00 AM
Just a guess, cant see the limbs working..sub yellow for red.
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f340/cmrunkle/DUNNO.jpg)
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 16, 2006, 06:19:00 PM
Wow, this thing is going to be bent like pretzel by the time it reaches full draw. Here it is drawn 24 inches with the bow reversed on the tree
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN3269.jpg)
Post by: Dano on April 16, 2006, 06:29:00 PM
Post by: DarkeGreen on April 16, 2006, 07:01:00 PM
Post by: BillJ on April 16, 2006, 09:36:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 16, 2006, 09:44:00 PM
Yeah it's looking a bit stiff Dano. I think the first 3 inches of the left limb are stiff as well. What do you think?
Thanks DG :)
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 16, 2006, 10:56:00 PM
Here it is drawn to 27 inches on the tree, or 29 inches real draw. Man it's scary watching the limbs bend that far :eek:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN3282.jpg)
There's still some tillering finessing that should be done. What do you guys think?
Post by: Carbon Caster on April 16, 2006, 11:11:00 PM
I like the string angle as well.
Brian
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 16, 2006, 11:15:00 PM
Yeah I'm very please with the string angle and how it came out so even between the two limbs. That's a problem I've had before.
Post by: Madpigslayer on April 17, 2006, 12:43:00 AM
Post by: Dave Bulla on April 17, 2006, 01:53:00 AM
I just read this whole thread from start to finish for the first time....I'm impressed!!! You certainly don't give up easily Luke.
Now, I'm gonna throw an observation out there but remember this, you have built more bows than I have so I probably don't know what I'm talking about.
Something that keeps bugging my eyes is how one limb seems to be coming off the handle area at a slightly different angle than the other. I'm not sure if I'm describing that correctly though. In that last pic, it looks like the left limb kinda goes uphill right out of the handle and the right comes out level. It shows up the same way in most of the other pics depending on how you have the bow flipped on the tree. I'm wondering, is your handle the same thickness on both ends? If not, is that making it look that way by not laying flat in the tree?
That left limb sure looks like it's bending nicely to me. The right maybe looks like it's stiff between the two bumps but maybe it has to be that way.
Post by: John Scifres on April 17, 2006, 08:46:00 AM
Post by: 1gutpile on April 17, 2006, 09:39:00 AM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 17, 2006, 10:33:00 AM
Thanks guys! I'm very happy with how this one turned out.
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 17, 2006, 12:21:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/fulldraw.jpg)
Wow what a nice shooter this bow turned out to be. I'm not drawing it all the way to 29 yet but it really spits fire. No detectable stack and a very smooth draw all the way back
Post by: Huntrdfk on April 17, 2006, 12:45:00 PM
David
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 17, 2006, 12:49:00 PM
Stupid technerolomogy! All along I've been measuring draw weight using an old bathroom scale. That scale reads the bow shooting about 47@29. I thought it felt a bit light for that, so I checked it with our good bathroom scale. 43@29!! Gerrrr. :mad: I was really looking for a bow in the 47-48 pound range, and I want to get it there, if it's possible. I'm thinking of another layer of sinew. What say ye? I figure the sinew would help protect the bow from the extra stress the added weight gives, so that's a plus. I think piking the tips wouldn't do very much because the added stress would just cause more set, thereby dropping weight.
:help: :mad:
Post by: hilltoparcher on April 17, 2006, 12:53:00 PM
HTA
Post by: 1gutpile on April 17, 2006, 01:10:00 PM
Post by: Eric Krewson on April 17, 2006, 01:22:00 PM
I am very impressed with your finished bow and the path you took to complete what looked like a lost cause.
Post by: NorthShoreLB on April 17, 2006, 02:16:00 PM
time to start an other buildalong ( gotta beat this 16 pages one)LOL
BTW, that bend elbow draw looks much better
Manny
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 17, 2006, 02:18:00 PM
1. I'm trying to move up in draw weight, and 43 pounds is what my other two bows draw, so this one won't help me that way.
2. I have some arrows being made for me that are going to be fairly heavy in spine and I would like it if this bow would shoot them well.
3. Biggest reason: I don't think I've announced this yet, but I had a plan for this bow. After I was done shooting it for a while I was going to pass it along to whoever wanted to shoot it. They would shoot it for a week or two and then pass it on, but not before signing their name and handle. After the bow had been passed to everyone who wanted to shoot it and everyone had signed it, it would be entered into the closest St. Judes Auction. I know there's a lot more people shooting 50 pounds than low 40s, so if it was a bit heavier there would be more people interested in shooting it.
Post by: wakolbinger on April 17, 2006, 02:30:00 PM
danny
Post by: 1gutpile on April 17, 2006, 02:30:00 PM
Post by: Bob G on April 17, 2006, 05:11:00 PM
I forsee a great life for you. Best of luck in your further endevors. You have restored my faith in todays youth, and have touched everyone on this board that has read this post.
"Luke IS the man"
Post by: Dano on April 17, 2006, 05:28:00 PM
Post by: Bert Frelink on April 17, 2006, 06:16:00 PM
That bow is an awesome piece of work and I would be proud to shoot it for a while.
I will send you some finished pic's of the triple decker soon.
Take care, Bert
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 17, 2006, 06:41:00 PM
Good news everyone! I just applied the first snake skin, the bow is in the clear! It was getting close there, but I managed to put on a snake skin before I added more sinew. It's too late to go back now! Whew, that was close though :p
Sorry Eric, I missed your offer when I read through your post. I have some 450 on it now, is that about the same as DF-97? If it's not, I would love it you did that. :) Thanks
Post by: Flatstick on April 17, 2006, 06:43:00 PM
Post by: Tilbilly on April 17, 2006, 07:03:00 PM
Post by: DarkeGreen on April 17, 2006, 07:26:00 PM
Post by: superkodiak on April 17, 2006, 07:43:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 17, 2006, 08:40:00 PM
Post by: Eric Krewson on April 17, 2006, 11:36:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 18, 2006, 04:58:00 PM
Anyone notice anything a little bit odd in the pic above? :knothead: :D
Thought I might through in some handle pics too
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN3309.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/DSCN3307.jpg)
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 18, 2006, 07:11:00 PM
Ah well.
Post by: TaylorJohn on April 18, 2006, 10:13:00 PM
Post by: Hunter John on April 18, 2006, 10:30:00 PM
John
Post by: Terry Green on April 18, 2006, 10:50:00 PM
Post by: Carbon Caster on April 18, 2006, 11:47:00 PM
If you get it done soon, I might could try to stick a Bear with it!!! Hint, hint, hint!!! They are a little slow so far, but should get hot and heavy SOON. It sure felt good to be in the bush again yesterday.
I could even pass it along to Bert when I was done.
Post by: 1gutpile on April 19, 2006, 10:19:00 AM
Post by: gordonf on April 19, 2006, 03:26:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 19, 2006, 06:15:00 PM
Kirk you did send me two kingsnakes and one rat, but before I applied the skins I thought you sent three kingsnakes and one rat, so I used one of the kings for arrows. :knothead: The arrows looked nice, but not as nice as the skins would have looked on the bow.
Thanks everybody!
Is there a better way to take scales off than duct tape? I tried it twice last night with the tape but only a few scales came off and the tape tore off a little bit of the top layer of the rat snake skin
Post by: Shakes.602 on April 19, 2006, 07:34:00 PM
Post by: Dano on April 19, 2006, 09:55:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 19, 2006, 10:41:00 PM
I think I might have just butchered the skins on one limb. I tried using my thumb as you suggested Dano, but it looks like the scales were so stuck that they pulled off part of the skin when they came off. What am I doing wrong???
Post by: Eric Krewson on April 19, 2006, 11:39:00 PM
When you put on the tape rub it really hard with the edge of your thumb and pull it off slowly.
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 20, 2006, 07:52:00 AM
Post by: 1gutpile on April 20, 2006, 09:28:00 AM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 20, 2006, 04:40:00 PM
Just had an idea, what with all this talk of tempering the belly. What if I toasted the belly on this one? It would raise the weight and take off a bit of the set it's taken. Any thoughts? I'm still not satisfied with the low weight.
Post by: JEFF B on April 20, 2006, 04:42:00 PM
Post by: JEFF B on April 20, 2006, 04:46:00 PM
Post by: NorthShoreLB on April 20, 2006, 05:20:00 PM
Stay with that bow, you can always make a heavyer on the next one
Manny
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 20, 2006, 05:32:00 PM
Post by: Dano on April 20, 2006, 09:13:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 21, 2006, 04:36:00 PM
Post by: 1gutpile on April 24, 2006, 12:02:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 24, 2006, 04:15:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on May 15, 2006, 06:24:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/100_1146.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/100_1149.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/LukeVV/100_1153.jpg)
Post by: Frenchymanny on May 15, 2006, 07:53:00 PM
That's my vote!
F-Manny
Post by: Dano on May 15, 2006, 09:34:00 PM
Post by: Little Tree on May 15, 2006, 11:22:00 PM
Post by: 1gutpile on May 16, 2006, 09:44:00 AM
Post by: Slim Buttes on May 16, 2006, 10:51:00 AM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on May 16, 2006, 10:33:00 PM
Slim if I find time I'll get a few up sometime soon
Post by: Yance on May 17, 2006, 10:51:00 AM
Awsome work little brother.
Post by: Bert Frelink on May 18, 2006, 11:45:00 AM
My hat is of to you my friend, you should be very proud .
I am not sure if I would have hung in there myself.
I am looking forward to the next one already.
Regards, Bert :thumbsup:
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on May 22, 2006, 08:37:00 AM
Post by: 1gutpile on May 22, 2006, 09:49:00 AM
Post by: Slim Buttes on May 22, 2006, 12:46:00 PM
Maybe you should name the bow "LIFE" -- alway problems always solutions all the time.
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on May 22, 2006, 03:04:00 PM
I think the string nock is fine Slim. Maybe a bit small, but it looks good
Post by: Eric Krewson on May 22, 2006, 03:12:00 PM
Post by: 1gutpile on May 22, 2006, 03:30:00 PM
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on May 22, 2006, 03:33:00 PM
Post by: Eric Krewson on May 22, 2006, 06:18:00 PM
Post by: horseapple on May 22, 2006, 06:48:00 PM
Joe Don
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on May 22, 2006, 07:24:00 PM