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Topic Archives => Build Alongs => Topic started by: jared s on April 02, 2008, 07:40:00 PM
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Alright, I’m finally going to pony up and take the challenge. This is the po boy buildalong. I need to edit this post here so our southern friends dont think I'm just fixin a sandwich... :knothead:
As I mentioned on John Scifres’ thread, I’ve been thinking about doing this for awhile. While I love the buildalong threads and ones involving people’s enormous, well equipped workshops, the simple truth is, I’m just not one of those guys (yet) ;) . Due to various factors, I’ve found myself living in places that this small town boy would never have dreamed even 5 years ago. But, hey, that’s life, and that’s why its interesting. (I like to joke with people that theres more people living in my apartment building then in the town I grew up in, which isn’t much of an exaggeration.) So even though I’m not in an ideal situation to exercise a lot of my interests and hobbies, sometimes you have to do with what you have and that’s what I want to show here. I’m not doing anything new here, and may rehash things I’ve learned from others but this is my experience that I’d like to share with others that it might help.
This is not meant to be a how to build a selfbow thread. As John mentioned, that’s been done, and I’m by no means an expert or do I have the experience to call myself any kind of innovator. (If you need suggestions on how to make bows that consistently come in at 35# or less or the appropriate colorful language to use when a bow explodes at 27” and hits you in the forehead, feel free to PM me or maybe I could do a separate thread) What I do mean to do is show younger people, people just getting started or people who just don’t have a lot of space or tools how I have dealt with similar problems and kept myself from going insane living in an apartment in the suburbs.
On a less practical level, I like to think it’s a small part of giving back to a great site. I don’t post a lot, but I read almost daily and the buildalongs of all kinds are always my favorites. I’m not a big internet guy but from everything I see, this site is unlike any other, really proficient people sharing skills with guys more like me, never talking down or belittling anyone. I really appreciate it and get a lot of inspiration and new ideas for what my wife calls “my projects”. Wow, I’m getting a little long winded here so lets get to the meat, selfbows in tight spaces……..
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Tools
So right up front, this thread is going to boil down to one thing: make do with what you have. Power tools, expensive hand tools and shop space are great, but a lot of guys don’t have em. Read about Glen St. Charles or any other pioneer, they started out with a hatchet and a piece of broken glass or some other limited tools. So basically, everything I show is in some way optional, use what you have or can get at a reasonable price.
I’m a big fan of garage sales, thrift shops etc, a natural cheapskate, so a lot of these things were acquired for little or no money, go out and find yours!
(I’d like everyone to notice that I laid out a nice piece of brain tanned deerskin to photograph my crappy tools. Lipstick on a pig? Maybe. But I’m trying to look like I know what I’m doing)
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Hatchet and Drawknife
Some guys seem to be able to rough out bows with a hatchet, I’m not one of them. But occasionally I will use it for that or other rough and dirty jobs. Plus I just love this hatchet (the steel is so hard, my best files will barely touch it) and the price was right. I found it in a gravel pit in the Snoqualamie Range in Washington. I have used it as a wedge with a hammer to split small trees (<5”) into staves. I tend to use the drawknife once a bow is layed out and theres a lot of wood to remove. Don’t remember where I got it but it wasn’t expensive.
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Rasps
Ok, yes theres a Nicholson #49 in the middle there, not a po boy tool. But its probably my single favorite bow building hand tool. Smooth and even and amazing. But I did A LOT of rasping with the $8 4in1 rasp below before the Nicholson came from Santa. A couple of bucks for a file card is nice too no matter how much you paid for your rasp.
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Scrapers
So I bought a Bowyers Edge in a kit some years ago when I got started in all this nonsense. I had it for about 5 years and hated it before I finally figured out how to set the blade properly, now I love it. (Thank you Jeff Struberg. You may not remember me or explaining it to me but you made me a believer) That being said, I’ve recently started using the half scissors idea from Eric Krewson and it works just about as well. Maybe not as comfortable in the hand for long use, but its easy to control, CHEAP and I don’t cringe when I hit big knots with it. Again, lots of knowledge and helpful people on this site.
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Misc
A few odds and ends, a rubber hand sanding block and some sandpaper, medium up to however fine you like it. A rattail file for string nocks. Another Eric Krewson development, the tillering gizmo which is pretty slick for this kind of bow building. Oh, and I like a cheap chalk line for laying out centers too and a tape measure, couple bucks at the hardware store. All in all I have probably less than $100 invested in the tools here, 50 of which is the rasp. But I think the basics could be had for 20 or 30 bucks if you look around.
One thing you’ll notice is the lack of a pulley system or even a tillering stick. I know, I know, you need them to achieve good tiller. But I don’t have the wall space for a pulley, and haven’t gotten around to the board yet. My method involves the tillering gizmo and the bathroom mirror, again, not ideal but that’s what this is about. Oetzi and Ishi didn’t have tillering sticks, go for it.
Oh and I almost forgot, although theres a wealth of info on the web for selfbows these days, another thread reminded me that Paul Comstocks “The Bent Stick” is how I got started. Its simple, inexpensive and has a lot of good information to get you started.
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Finally tool storage
The idea is when you do finally get nice things, to take care of them right? Especially if you don’t have the shop space and storage or when you travel to shoots or whittling get togethers. You like those nice roll up canvas tool cases for chisels and rasps and stuff? Me too. But 40 bucks will buy me a new tool instead. I use old socks.
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I like where your going with this..keep it coming!!
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Great start! You got us primed.
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:) You're a step ahead of me Dustin. A very similar chair will be appearing in some upcoming photos.
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Wood
I live in the city but I’m lucky to have some connections. My folks still live back home in northern Wisconsin so holidays sometimes turn into wood hunting expeditions (assuming theres no ACTUAL hunting to be done. No bow wood has been cut in October or November ;) ) Not a lot of options up there, but make due with what you have.
My first selfbow was birch. Yep birch. Sinew backed and not heavily shot or admired due to its extreme ugliness but its still together probably 8 years later. I played with black ash next, thinking, hey, that’s close enough to white ash right? Wrong. Too spongy in the summer(I think) growth and just not that tough. Hard lessons (yes multiple, I learn slow) to learn after the number of hours put into a selfbow with all hand tools. Now I’m into some ironwood (or as selfbow types seem to know it, hophornbeam). It doesn’t get that big up north and its hard to find straight, but theres a lot of it, its hard and tough and no one cares if you cut a couple. Plus a 5” hhb splits a lot nicer than those 12” osage you see guys abusing themselves with. :thumbsup: I do have some osage I’m working on from billets that I cut from a guys ranch that I worked with when I lived in Texas. (Yes ive done a lot of moving)I see what all the fuss is about, it is SWEET to work. The guy whose ranch I cut the osage on saw me reading Primative Archer. He had some Cherokee in him and asked me if I made bows like that. We were buddies after that. He took me out with a chain saw and even helped split.
The point is, try something, use something local, even if its not what the experts tell you to use. Don't get me wrong, guidelines are great and can save a lot of work and heartache but don’t be afraid to try something. Talk to guys you work with or hunt with or you know from about anywhere, somebody has a straight tree.
Wow I’m getting to be a blowhard, I was worried I wasn’t going to have enough to write when I started this. :rolleyes: This is enough typing for one day, I'll get back to it tomorrow hopefully with some action shots showing this all in practice.
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Go, Jared, Go...........
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Love those socks! Keep it coming bro!
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Love this,,,,keep it coming Jared.
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You've got my attention too Jared; good readin'. I'll be looking for more tomorrow!
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Allright bud! That is bowmaking at its essence. Keep on it.
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I'm glued to my seat buddy. Keep it coming!
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The Shop
Well, here it is, my shop. Its an 8’x8’ concrete slab that shares space with the grill, the smoker, the table and whatever else depending on time of year. I originally meant to do this buildalong last summer when everything was leafed out and the tomatoes and peppers were growing, its much more attractive then, although also crowded. Po Boy gardening is not the point of this thread anyway, but its fun too. Plus it doesn’t hurt to have a pork roast or some venison smoking away while you make shavings.
So for bow making purposes, the shop consists mainly of an $8 folding chair and a Stanley Workmate. The workmates are around a hundred bucks new I think but this is a garage saler for $10. Its nice, but definitely not necessary. I use it mostly when I’m roughing out a stave. I don’t have any staves in the place at the moment so below is a posed shot with a bow a little further along just to show the technique. The way I use it is to clamp the stave in (with an old towel for padding if I’m getting the bow to rough shape), sit behind it, brace the back of the bench with my feet so it doesn’t slide, and start hogging off wood.
This is the hardest part to do without a bandsaw or a solid bench with a vise in my opinion. You want to remove a lot of wood fast so you’re pulling hard. Even braced with feet, the workmate will slide around a little and generally be frustrating but it does the job. Again the bench isn’t required. I did one with sawhorses and the butt of the stave braced against an outside wall (hard on the siding though). Any way you can brace the butt of the stave and hold it in relative comfort will get the job done.
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Here's some action shots showing how I brace the bench while removing wood.
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Another cheap option are a couple of these quick grip type clamps. I roughed out the Hop Hornbeam bow shown last summer on a camping trip. The stave was getting pretty close to shape. I set up camp, built a fire to get some cooking coals going, and clamped the stave to a picnic table and went to work. The clamps wont handle a lot of yanking but work once you’re being a little more delicate.
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Scraping
Scraping follows the same theory as removing large amounts of wood. Brace the limb youre not working on against something solid, and go to work. This can be done in the bench also, but when I’m doing a little scraping, a little flexing, scraping, flexing, it gets a little tedious clamping and unclamping the bow. So my current method is to brace the bow on the propane tank, put it under my arm, over my knee and scrape. This way, I just scoot the chair forward and back depending on how far out the limb I’m working. After a round of scraping, stand up, limb tip on the toe and give a little flex. I’ll mark stiff spots with a pencil and go back to scraping. I follow this method until I get a reasonable floor tiller and can get the bow (carefully) strung. I have a long tillering string but I don’t care for it too much, personal preference. Without a way to back away and look at it, I don’t find it that useful. I have however, used the long string and just looked at the reflection in the patio door. Work out whatever works for you.
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Heres a shot of flexing for floor tiller.
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The next step is obviously achieving a floor tiller and starting the finishing tillering. I have two bows in this stage right now that I'm working at the same time. Since this is a pretty slow process to begin with, I'm not sure when I'll be returning with tiller pictures. I appreciate the interest and encouragement people have shown so far and will be sure to be taking pictures along the way. Despite having a couple days off this week I'm pretty busy but I'll resurect the thread when I have more material.
This has been fun so far, hopefully I'll have a hunting weight bow to show off at the end. Again I'm no expert but if anyone has any questions, comments or suggestions, please post or PM me. Thanks again everyone. :thumbsup:
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Inspirational!
Mark
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Awesome! Way to go, Jared. Jawge
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Jared,
You do more with less than anyone I know. Makes me want to make some yella sawdust again.
Dave
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Thanks again for the kind words guys. That HHB bow is getting close to ready for the short string thanks to the great weather today. More pictures should be coming. :)
Thats one of the problems with this kind of bowmaking, its pretty much a 3 season sport.
Hey Dave, how you been? I just found the copy of Bowyers Journal you lent me in packing the apartment. (I'm moving back up to Wisconsin in the next month or so) My project down at Joliet is done so I'm not working down there anymore, maybe I'll have to mail it to you. Hope youre doing well. That boy of yours still eating you out of house and home? ;)
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Jared
Ohhh ya, an excellent thread, keep it going. Brings back some memories, I built my first couple of bows with a hatchet, drawknife, four in one file, and a cabinet scraper.
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Not just yes, but Hell yes Jared! Way to get the chips flying and soon the arrows. Keep it coming.
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Hey Gang,
Sorry for the long hiatus, the last month or two has really gotten crazy for me. My wife got accepted to medical school in Milwaukee so we are back in Wisconsin and own our first home!
So the poor guy with no shop now has a basement workshop and a garage.
Unfortunately, right after moving in last week, my job sent me to California till mid July. I fully intend to finish one of the bows that are still waiting in floor tiller stage this summer when I get back home with my old back patio methods to complete the buildalong.
I'm really sorry for the delay, and want to say thanks again for all the encouragement, closure will come eventually! :knothead: Its a big time in my life right now and I appreciate the patience.
Jared
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Take your time Jared, because we'll be here when you get back!