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Main Boards => Photography/Video Q&A Board => Topic started by: Hutch on January 25, 2006, 05:39:00 PM
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So, what's your go to camera?
personally I really like my Canon Elan 7. good heft, but not too much. controls are easy to access. Definently plan on gettin a bigger lens.
Also just entered the digital age with a Kodak easyshare Z760. pretty neat little camera.
Used to own a Canon AE1-P absolutely an awesome camera!
Hutch
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I like Canon too. I have an Elan 2E 35mm and a powershot S60 digital. I am looking to get another digital, one that will take my lenses.
This is gonna take a while, though.
$$$$$ :scared:
Killdeer
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Canon 20D and Rebel XT digital bods. Looking real hard at the Panasonic Lumix compact digitals. They weigh about 3 pounds less than my current setup of the 20D & 17-40mm L. A whole lot cheaper to replace should I take a fall or get soaked.
Jerry
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I was looking at the 20D, and also the 5D. Both have features that I would like. Aside from the obvious difference in price, why should I go for the 20D over the 5D?
Killdeer
Forgive me if I don't get back to this soon, I have a ton of stuff to do today and will be gone over the weekend.
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Mine is just a little Sony DCS-P200,it's tiny,but it's great in my pack and takes nice hero px,decent scenery pix....
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Just got the Panasonic DMC FZ30. 12x optical zoom (420mm equivalent) 8mgp. It's got auto and manual focus, manual zoom and a ton of stuff I don't know how use yet.
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I have a Olympus C740 digital camera for my quick pixs but still go to the Nikon N80 35mm for my quality pictures. I will eventually move my Nikon system over to digital when the price comes down.
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Mine is a Kodak DX7590. I'm pretty pleased with it. The camera before it was a Sony Cybershot, I forget what model??? The photos I've posted have been pretty much evenly split between the two. The DX7590 takes a much better photo, but I would love to learn to utilize some of the manual features for adjusting shutter aperature and f-stop. The lack of a manual focus is my main complaint.
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Nikon N70 and a Konica Minolta D'Image A2.
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Mine is a Sony Cyber Shot DSC-85, also have a Canon Elph that is decent. I also have acess to a Nikon D50 SLR that has me wanting one of the SLR digital cameras now. Forgot how much I missed SLR cameras until I started trying this one.
David
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Jerry, sent you an email about the Pentax-Lumix.
Kodak EZShare 740. 10x digital zoom, and I think 7 or so megapixels. Nice and compact. The big plus is that I can turn off all sounds associated with it, manually adjust exposure meter, shutter speeds, aperature values (not as much as I would like though), and film speeds. I can also change how it meters light. If it only had a manual focus I would absolutely love it!
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Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ5. A step up from the Nikon Coolpix I used to carry. The 12X optical zoom is a wonderful feature. This model is lighter than the FZ-30 model so I can hang it around my neck and stuff it under my camo and it still isn't in the way when I shoot a bow. The more I use it the more impressed I am with the quality of images it produces. I'm wanting to explore filters for it as that is one of the things I miss using from my SLR days but oh lordy the difference in weight is worth it!
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Originally posted by Killdeer:
I was looking at the 20D, and also the 5D. Both have features that I would like. Aside from the obvious difference in price, why should I go for the 20D over the 5D?
Killdeer
Killy, it depends on what your needs are and what you like to shoot. I'd love to have the 5D for the full size sensor so I could use my 17-40mm for wide-angle scenic and have it perform as a 17-40mm. However, I prefer the 20D for wildlife because the smaller sensor gives me a 1.6X crop factor, making my 400mm the equivalent of a 600mm+. I bought a 12-24mm ultrawide for the 20D for $500 (the difference between the 20D and 5D is almost $2000) so I could do the wide-angle stuff I like to do. With the crop factor, the 12mm is ~18mm. When I shot film, the 20mm was my absolute favorite landscape lens.
As far as the difference in megapixels between the two? I'd make a 20"x30" from my 8mp 20D any day! How much bigger do you need?
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I'm gonna love this forum, great idea.
Weapon of choice is Nikon D100, and this spring I will be ordering the D200. :) N80, and a few manual Nikon bodies now collecting dust next to a Bronica ETRSi system :(
Killy, before I bought a 5D, I would seriously consider the Nikon D200 with 28-200 Dx lens.
Jim
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The D200 looks like a great body, but I think I'd wait until it was on the market for awhile to see if there are any problems. Admittedly, Nikon has better quality control than Canon, but I'd still wait a couple months anyway (like I'm doing now with the introduction of the 5D).
Actually, the D200 was the camera I was waiting for - for too long. I shot Nikon for 30 years, but when they announced the D50 - yet another consumer camera for the masses - instead of the D200 I got ticked off, sold it all, and went with Canon. Another reason was that I was constantly frustrated by the hunting focus of the 80-400 VR. Very sharp lens, but why Nikon didn't make it an AF-S is beyond me. The Canon 100-400 IS is lightning quick compared to the 80-400mm. So for MY needs (want to emphasize that) and pocket book, the Canon 20D fits me better.
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So Jerry, what was it that made you want to shoot digital over film?
Hutch
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Jerry, I know what you mean about waiting. However, the nice thing about the digital era is that the "fix" is only a download away. Its not like the "mechanical" days, when if there was a glitch you had to have the camera repaired. By this spring I figure all the bugs will be wworked out.
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jcsnapshot, you're absolutely correct. It was mainly the 80-400mm VR that I was frustrated with (it cost me a shot of a fox trotting right at me 15 yards and closing. Not to mention numerous attempts at flying waterfowl). The D50 pushed me over the edge. I think you're smart to wait. And I think the D200 is going to be a great camera. I was happy with the D70/100 for landscapes. Just too slow for the moving wildlife.
Originally posted by Hutch:
So Jerry, what was it that made you want to shoot digital over film?
Two things. I recognized that's where the industry was heading and I'd trailed behind technology all my life. The other thing is my wife took up photography with me. The first year we went through $1200 of slide film & processing. That didn't include print film, processing, and enlargements.
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Thanks for the insight, Jerry. I didn't have a clue about crop factor. How does that work?
Jim, I already have a considerable investment in Canon L lenses, a 100-400 IS and a 17-35L, plus a run-of-the-mill 28-80 USM to fill in the gaps. Canon and I are married, and I can not afford a divorce!
Killdeer
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Originally posted by Killdeer:
Thanks for the insight, Jerry. I didn't have a clue about crop factor. How does that work?
It's easier to draw on a piece of paper than explain. Especially for a benighted photographer :)
The digital sensor is smaller than a 35mm frame. That's why they call it a "crop factor". The focal length of a lens is based on the 35mm frame size. So when the digital sensor is smaller than the 35mm format, it's like cropping the center out of the 35mm frame. For example, when you use a 400mm lens with the 20D that has a crop factor of 1.6x, you are in a sense shooting with a 620mm lens because you are only using a small part of the 35mm image area. If I could draw a smaller rectangle inside a 35mm rectangle you would see what I mean. The area of the larger 35mm rectangle outside the smaller rectangle (representing the digital sensor) is cropped off, hence the term "crop factor".
While that is a boon to the wildlife photographer, it is also a bane to the wide-angle loving landscape photographer. 24mm becomes 38mm.
That is also why the 5D is called a "full frame" model, because the sensor is the same size as a 35mm film frame.
Jerry
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Obsolescence.
That's what gets us if senility doesn't.
So, Wease, is the file size smaller too? Does this mean that the "crop-factored" 400mm pic will have less detail than a full-framed 600mm pic?
Did that make any sense?
Killdeer
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Originally posted by Killdeer:
Obsolescence.
That's what gets us if senility doesn't.
So, Wease, is the file size smaller too? Does this mean that the "crop-factored" 400mm pic will have less detail than a full-framed 600mm pic?
Did that make any sense?
Killdeer
Not a smaller file size at all. The crop factor really is only in reference to lenses used. The more or less detail is completely dependent on the quality of glass. A full resolution, fine image is the same no matter what lens is attached.
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So how does crop factor effect the view through the view finder, or does it?
Hutch
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Hutch, It doesn't affect it at all. On my D100, the view finder shows 96% of what will be on the frame. All cameras are different, so check the manual. Even most 35 mm SLRs don't have full frame view finders
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Jerry,
I'm confused by the "crop factor." I understand the sensor is smaller than the conventional 35 mm, but does the crop factor actually increase the magnification of the lens (i.e. bring subject closer) or does it simply reduce the field of view to what a longer lens would provide? I did a lot of research when I was looking for a DSLR, but never really understood that point. As an aside, I was coveting the 20D, but cost new was prohibitive. Finally found a friend who was selling her 10D backup to upgrade to a 5D. Got it with the same 100-400 lens you recommended in another post. I've got more camera than my ability warrants, but hopefully I'll grow into it!
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Originally posted by Steve Kendrot:
Jerry,
I'm confused by the "crop factor." I understand the sensor is smaller than the conventional 35 mm, but does the crop factor actually increase the magnification of the lens (i.e. bring subject closer) or does it simply reduce the field of view to what a longer lens would provide?
Kinda both? It doesn't physically bring the subject closer, but because it reduces the field of view (crop), it gives you the view a longer lens would provide. It really is easier to demonstrate than describe. This one always gives me a headache... ;)
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I guess I think in terms of power... If 50mm aproximates what the human eye sees, then 100 mm equals 2X and 400 mm equals 8X. The crop factors increases the 400mm to 620mm, but does it increase the power to 12X? I don't believe so according to my understanding. It would be like taking a pair of 8x binos and taping the objective lens to restrict the view to that of a 12X bino. Smaller field of view, but the critter doesn't look any closer (though it does fill up more of the frame because the frame is smaller). Do I have it right?
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Yes!!! :thumbsup:
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Hope this very quick drawing helps. The blocks on the left are supposed to be the same size. Top right is 35mm film. Bottom is digital sensor. I think this is what Jerry was talking about when he said it was easier to draw, than explain.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/jcsnapshot/35mm%20digi/35mmdigi.jpg)
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Thanks for confirming my thoughts Jerry. Its a good marketing ploy, but I really don't see the "advantage" on the telephoto end if it doesn't increase power. The loss on the wide angle side is a more important loss. I bought a Canon EF 28-105 1:3.5-4.5 II USM as an every day lens. I just couldn't afford the IS 24-135 lens you said you use as much as I would have liked it.
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If I put my N80 (35mm), and D100(digital) on a bracket on the same tripod, both with 50mm lenses, and focus on the same subject, the subject in the image created with the D100 will roughly be half again as big as the subject created by the N80. Wouldn't that mean that the magnification increases on the digital?
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Originally posted by Steve Kendrot:
Thanks for confirming my thoughts Jerry. Its a good marketing ploy, but I really don't see the "advantage" on the telephoto end if it doesn't increase power. The loss on the wide angle side is a more important loss. I bought a Canon EF 28-105 1:3.5-4.5 II USM as an every day lens. I just couldn't afford the IS 24-135 lens you said you use as much as I would have liked it.
You get the same image size as if you were using the longer lens, which essentially places you closer to the subject. If you have a deer at 100 yards and you use a 400mm with a film body, then put the 400 on the digital with the crop facter, the image size would be as if you crept another 30 or so yards closer to the deer with the film body, so there is definitely an advantage on the long end with the crop factor.
I don't have the 24-105 IS. Can't afford it. I have the 28-135 IS. Which I bought used.
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Originally posted by jcsnapshot:
If I put my N80 (35mm), and D100(digital) on a bracket on the same tripod, both with 50mm lenses, and focus on the same subject, the subject in the image created with the D100 will roughly be half again as big as the subject created by the N80. Wouldn't that mean that the magnification increases on the digital?
The crop factor would make it appear so, yes. It's not really true magnification according to the experts. (I want to make it clear that ain't one of them). The fact is, the subject is larger on the digital sensor and that's all that matters.
Am I right?
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I guess so... starting to make sense. If the same image is captured with the same lens on a piece of 35mm film and a digital sensor. When the image from each is "projected" onto a 8x10 piece of paper, the digital sensor will print larger because it captured a smaller area around the target compared to the 35mm. Now I get it....Do I? :rolleyes:
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Jerry, hope I didn't come off as a smarta$$. It just seemed to me that maginification actually increased, but your last post makes more sense. I am far from an expert ;) Just seemed logical to me.
Yup Steve, that is it. I won't even get into the fact that when printing 8x10's from 35mm slides or negs, you lose about an inch on each side of the 10 inch, because 8x12 is the "natural" enlargement from 35mm. LOL Sorry about that.
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Originally posted by jcsnapshot:
Jerry, hope I didn't come off as a smarta$$.
Not at all! This is a difficult concept to explain. I think between us all we explained it. Kinda... :D
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Originally posted by Steve Kendrot:
I guess so... starting to make sense. If the same image is captured with the same lens on a piece of 35mm film and a digital sensor. When the image from each is "projected" onto a 8x10 piece of paper, the digital sensor will print larger because it captured a smaller area around the target compared to the 35mm. Now I get it....Do I? :rolleyes:
Yes!! :thumbsup:
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There's a good explanation of crop factor here -
http://www.millhouse.nl/digitalcropfactorframe.html
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Last week I upgraded from a Canon Digital Rebel to a 20D. That's an impressive piece of equipment! The only thing I'd change is to make is compatible with an inexpensive wireless remote (like my Digital Rebel is). Why Canon doesn't do that I'll never understand.
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Originally posted by Jason R. Wesbrock:
Last week I upgraded from a Canon Digital Rebel to a 20D. That's an impressive piece of equipment! The only thing I'd change is to make is compatible with an inexpensive wireless remote (like my Digital Rebel is). Why Canon doesn't do that I'll never understand.
Ooh. Shoulda waited. Want wireless? This just announced today: http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-7891-8214
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I have the Fuji Finepix A210 (2.1mp), which is good for hero shots, etc. I use Adobe Photoshop CS for processing, but I'm new to it, having used Ulead Photo Impact for a quite a while. I have some older Canon cameras and quite a few FD lenses. I have a tricked-out F1, an A1, and an AE-1P.
-Terry
BTW, If anyones upgrading I'm in the market for a Canon SLR(digital).
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Crow.... I have both Rebel XT and a 20D
using the old lenses from my EOS10s and my EOS Elan llE. Other than the crop factor which is not a problem, other than remembering it.
I am impressed with the RebelXT for the price diff, of a 20D.
It remains a issue of what you are going to do with it............vance
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Jerry/Weasel,
First of all, my compliments to you on your well written articles. I picked up my first SLR after reading your first article in TBM, and looked forward to every issue after that. I now shoot professionally for a studio here in Cincy. I have made the switch to digital now that the prices have come down. I had always meant to contact you to thank you for unknowingly steering me in the direction that I am now traveling. Thanks!
Oh yeah to the subject of the post, I shoot Canon Digital Rebels (the old ones, not the XT's). I haven't felt the need to upgrade yet, it made more sense to pick up a backup body while the price is low. For anyone looking for a first Digital SLR, don't overlook this camera! I use mine to shoot weddings, and can tell you they can take a lot of abuse. You can still find a few (in black or silver) at some online stores or e-bay, and they can be had for $500 or less. I have several lenses,(both Canon and some aftermarkets)and a good heavy tripod. I have been guilty of leaving my camera at home when I go hunting, but not this year! I missed some great moments.
Dave
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P.s. this forum is a great idea!!!
Dave
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http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/daveinoh/IMG_0041copy.jpg
Here is a pic of my son at Compton's this past summer.
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oops, just cause I can take pictures doesn't mean I can post em!
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/daveinoh/IMG_0041copy.jpg)
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Originally posted by DaveinOH:
Jerry/Weasel,
First of all, my compliments to you on your well written articles. I picked up my first SLR after reading your first article in TBM, and looked forward to every issue after that. I now shoot professionally for a studio here in Cincy. I have made the switch to digital now that the prices have come down. I had always meant to contact you to thank you for unknowingly steering me in the direction that I am now traveling. Thanks!
Dave
Thank you, Dave! You have no idea how much your comments mean to me. :thumbsup: I'm glad you are able to follow your interest by working for a studio!
I plan on going at it part or full time as soon as I retire in a little over 3-1/2 years. Gonna lead workshops, seminars, and tours. Probably going to get my feet wet by offering a couple of one day workshops this Spring/Summer. By the time I retire I hope to be leading 4 day workshops in Yellowstone, Tetons, Rocky Mountains, Oregon Coast, Mt. Rainier, etc. I think it'll be a blast!
Thanks again!
Jerry
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That would be incredible, you wouldn't be at a loss for subject matter! I read on your nature site that you did weddings also. My hat is off to you for doing them with film! I get nervous enough when I can see how I am doing, I can't imagine having to wait for my images to come back from a lab. It can be a grind but I hope to learn as I go along. If nothing else it is teaching me patience.
It has been a while since I just went out and took some shots for fun!
Killdeer, Canon has just announced the 30D, might be worth a look for you. Biggest improvement is larger LCD screen.
Dave
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Jerry, that sounds like a great retirement plan! Too bad it can't start tomorrow. :)
Hopefully one day our paths will cross somewhere out west.
Phil
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Originally posted by DaveinOH:
I read on your nature site that you did weddings also. My hat is off to you for doing them with film! I get nervous enough when I can see how I am doing, I can't imagine having to wait for my images to come back from a lab. Dave
Ah, yes. The stories I could tell..like not noticing the film sprocket holes torn out on a roll of film I was using during the formals. 70+ shots on a single frame. We got them reshot, but it was close! Or the time an out of town lab sent the photos and negs to the wrong address down the street...those are just a couple. Some folks say having teenagers gives you gray hair. I say it's shooting weddings!!
Originally posted by Phil Magistro:
Jerry, that sounds like a great retirement plan! Too bad it can't start tomorrow. :)
Hopefully one day our paths will cross somewhere out west.
Phil
Yep, hopefully they will!
Jerry
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Jerry,
Ooh. Shoulda waited. Want wireless? This just announced today: http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-7891-8214
I saw that today too. Seems a lot of people are upset that they're using the same sensor as the 20D instead of going to 10+ megapixels. I can't remember reading anything in the review about being able to use the cheap wireless remote as a shutter release, but I got bored with all the technical stuff and didn't get all the way through it.
Honestly though, I wasn't looking to upgrade but I got such a good deal I really couldn't pass it up.
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Hmmm...can't find that info now. Someone may have had a premature speculation. :)
The 20D is a great camera. The upgrades to the 30D doesn't make me want to sell the 20D and get the 30D. Like you, I think they should have upped the mp.
I had a wireless remote with the Nikon D70. Pain in the rear. Had to point it to the front of the camera.
My wife has a wireless for her Digital Rebel. Don't know why they don't make one for the 20D. I like the shutter release cord, myself.
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for my go to camera i grab my D2x or D1x. if i need film (just about never now days)i pull out the N90s. i also will on occasion borrow the wifes nikon coolpix. not a bad little point & shoot.
Rob
http://burnhamphotography.com/
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I really like my D50,might be a camera for the masses but it sure takes great pics. And your right paleface about the nikon coolpix, I have a old coolpix 3100 that takes great pics too.
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Originally posted by paleFace:
for my go to camera i grab my D2x or D1x. if i need film Rob
http://burnhamphotography.com/
Film? Is that the stuff that's on your teeth when you wake up? :D
Hi Rob! :wavey:
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i hear you Weasel.... i still have the N90, but the real reason is that i paid almost $1000. and i might be able to get $200 off ebay and that's if i'm lucky. might as well keep it for memories. that camera roamed all over the place in my pack for years.
rob
jerry are you going to make it to salt lake?
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Nope. This vacation in FL/GA is costing us a small fortune.
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weasel i sent you an email. wish you were going to be in salt lake, missed talking shop with you at san antonio and now again in salt lake. some day we will get together again i hope....
Rob
http://burnhamphotography.com/
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I am shooting a Nikon D70. Really want to upgrade to the D200 but am having a hard time selling that to the wife :) Oh well, the D70 is a great camera and has served me well for over 18,000 shots so far.
The only lenses in my bag right now are:
AF Nikkor 300mm f/4 ED-If
AF Micro-Nikkor 60mm f/2.8
AF Nikkor 24-50 f/3.5 - 4.5
Kevin.
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Right now I shoot mainly with a Nikon D100 and also carry a small 5MP canon compact that keep in my fanny pack for shots in the field and also for shots around camp when I don't carry all my gear.
Other gear in the bag. (gets heavy)
100-300mm F4 from sigma
28-75mm XR DI F2.8 Tamron
28-200mm XR IF 3.8-5.6 Tamron
50 mm 1.4 Nikon
Nikon flash
manfratto tripod and monopod
filters and CF memory cards. (mainly .512)
Would love to learn more and become comfortable with the in computer programs and making a web page as well as music to CD slides etc.. I have literally 1000's of shots that given the time I would like to group into different categories and do more the just leave then on the CD's.
As indicated previously by another post I really enjoyed Jerry's seminar 2 PBS gatherings ago. Missed him being there at San Antonio as I had taken some enlargements that I was hoping he would review for me.
Jerry if your reading this I really enjoyed the seminar and the TBM articles,thanks for re-peaking my interest my only hope is that you will leave the Dark side (Canon) and return to the NIKON :) Again thanks for your easy to understand articles and for rekindiling my interest in photography.The articles became one of my favorite parts of the magazine....
Anyone have or use the D200 yet???? any feedback. I love my D100 but would love to upgrade to the heavier body,any other add on that would warrant the switch????
Take care and love the site. John
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John check out this:
D200 Review (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond200/)
On the very first page it does a side by side comparison of the D200 vs. D100.
I would say that there are numerous reasons to upgrade the camera! I am in the process of trying to finagle a way to get rid of the D70 and pick up a D200... a very awesome camera!
How do you like the 100-300 f/4 sigma? I use the 300 f/4 Nikkor and love it.
Kevin.
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Kevin I love the Sigma, bought it after looking over the 80-400 VR nikon and I can honestly say I have no regrets, takes great photos and for F4 its quicker then I am a real good when in manual, best $900 bucks I ever spent.... I would love the 300 nikon but could not justify the money at my skill set :)
Meant to thank you before for turning me on to the web page that you have your photos on, real nice stuff and enjoy looking thru the work of others.
Given that you next to nothing for a trade maybe I will save for the D200 and use the 100 as a back up. (wife will kill me :)
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I have a Canon Powershot G3, 4.0 mega pixels and I love it. I really get clear shots with this one and I can also shoot small videos, would recommend it to anyone.
Daniel
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the most valuable gift is a good example
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Can someone tell me the process for taking 35 mm photos and then getting them posted on this site? Please be gentle, I've done a lot of 35 mm photog., no posting of pics though. Thanks
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Been using the Canon Digital Rebel XT for about a year now, and love it!
Lee
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Originally posted by slow walker:
Can someone tell me the process for taking 35 mm photos and then getting them posted on this site? Please be gentle, I've done a lot of 35 mm photog., no posting of pics though. Thanks
You'll need to scan them, or have them scanned somewhere, then get a Photobucket.com account and post them from there. There's a tutorial on how to do that at the top of this forum and the PowWow forum.
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paleface,
Weasel and Mrs. Weasel are going to be at PBS 2008 in Pittsburgh, PA. Throw some Civil War history their way and they will come!
I'm looking forward to seeing them again too.