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Main Boards => Hunting Legislation & Policies => Topic started by: Shawn Leonard on October 27, 2007, 01:48:00 PM
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I live in Albany County NY and several landowners recently found dead deer on their property. They showed no signs of being ill, just dead. It turns out the midges are laying their eggs on the deer and they become larvae and they burrow into the host deer and get into their livers, kidneys and other vital organs and the deer bleed to death from the inside. So far our DEC has confirmed around 40 cases,all from found deer, some biologist believe the # is at least 10 times that amount in our county. It is safe to consume the meat but scary as our herd is already way down due to the huge coyote pop. Just a heads up to us NY guys! I have hunted most everyday and my sightings of deer are 20% of what they were just 3 years ago!! Shawn
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They are here in Missouri as well. Biologist told us the deer die quickly.
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Our biologist say it takes a while for the deer to die days even over a week once their organs are invaded. Shawn
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Why do people always blame the coyotes yes they eat deer but have you ever stopped and think that maybe its poor deer management do to over harvesting , We all know that state of Ny has no knowledge on how to manage our deer herd they just want them dead, Just look on how many doe tags they hand out is Oswego co , And we get 9 ft snow a year !!! So its not just the coyotes that are cause our deer decline , It our great deer management that the state of ny has.All they see is the cash flow not the future. Art
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We are having a hemorrhagic disease outbreak in Virginia. Lots of dead deer around. I talked to the head deer biologist for the state the other day about it and he told me this is really a strange year, where it normally shows up is quiet and where there is normally none there is a lot of HD this year.
Jack
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We are having the same problem in Indiana
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Art, I will tell ya why!! DEC radio collared 4 fawns in my area in June, within two weeks 3 were killed by coyotes and by the 3rd. week the other was alos killed by coyotes. I agree DEC does not do a great job managing the herd, but the coyotes are doing a number. Last year a camera was put in a coyote den in Greene County and form late June to Late August 23 fawns, 3 adult deer and several cats and dogs were bought into the den. That tells me coyotes are a big reason for the herd decline. Not the only one but a huge factor at least in the areas I hunt. Shawn
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Hemmoragic fever is bad here too. Because of the drought there are no running streams and the stagnant water is a breeding ground for the midge.
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Thousands are dead statewide here in KY.
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I'd bone up on my coyote hunting if I were you guys! They're ten times harder to fool and shoot than a deer, much more of a hunting trophy in my eyes from that perspective....but I do agree, they don't fill the freezer very well.
Ah, but what the heck, pelt prices have been up the last few years. Gotta hunt whatcha got. :)
-Rob
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Sorry to hear that Shawn. There's a lot more coyotes around than most people will admit. About 3 years ago my son and 2 or 3 others got permission to coyote hunt on 6 sq. mile around where we deer hunt. They killed 56 off of the 6 sq. miles. Hap
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we have a guy coming into trap them. We have 600 acres we hunt & deer #`s are definitly down in Dutchess Co. They killed a calf at the farm a few weeks ago. Many Bob cats here as well. I got one 38lbs last gun season. The DEC wont tell you but 2 of my friends had close encounters with mountain lions as well. Yes, they are here boys no matter what the state says, & they put them here. I would say Shawn is about right when he says only about 20% of the sightings from 3-4 yrs ago. Mike
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Speakin of yotes...I killed a couple doe a couple weeks ago and while field dressin them them boys were circlin just outta reach. I could hear em and knew they were there. I'd yell at em and they would scat..for a minute. Law states no firearm carryin while bow huntin but after a kill I might go back to the truck and put the bow up and holster the .357.. I was a little nervous with my hands inside them deer and them boys around in the dark with a only a headlight on.
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Little secret guys... Here in Michigan nighttime predator hunting starts on Oct 15th.. If it is legal in your state, this is what to do.
When we shoot a deer with an arrow, we make little disturbance. But we leave ALOT of blood scent. If you have the time and want to try, go back after you get you deer taken care of. If legal, get in a tree. Take a SHOTGUN with heavy loads, get your light(s) ready, and use "The Can"
estrous bleat. Take an extra gunner if you can.
I recommend being in a tree.
You may get the shock of your life when you hear
and see how many yotes come around the site of a kill. You WILL KNOW how yotes are able to clean the bones of any deer you have to leave till morning. YOTES REMEMBER ALL ENCOUNTERS WITH MAN.
Teach them well!!!!!!!!!!!
On Oct 12th, I shot a big does for the freezer, at midday. Got it home and in the cooler by 4:00pm. Went back to hunt for the evening near the same spot, and the gutpile was GONE! Might work in the daylight as well. You can be I`m gonna try next chance I get!!!!
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I shot a doe early last week and had th esame thing as heydeerman. I would of never had time to do as mentioned in th eabove post. The coyotes were on my gut pile before I was 40 yards away, there were at least 6 of them. I went back about 40 minutes later as I left my knife on a tree, everything gone and cleaned up except the stomach and some intestine. Shawn
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well shawn ill come down and trap he yote for you if you like . Art
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Yup and I am gonna trap this winter. It will help some but the yotes are thick here! Shawn
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they are rough on fawns as evident by deer cam pics of coyote's with fawns in their mouths passing by camera they are very intellegent and cunning the ultimate trophy with a bow but i am gonna throw some lead at then soon Ralph.
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out here, we have plenty, even in the `burbs. i see `em out hunting in broad daylight regularly on my commute between Sacramento and Davis. haven't thought about hunting `em here, though. there's not a lot of land available for taking a crack at `em even with a bow. I'd like to see some stats about mountain lions, though; they're sacred cats here in the world's largest outdoor insane asylum. In fact, the last time I saw one, it was in the arboretum on the grounds of Cal State university, Sacramento, on new years' day, lounging in the sunshine as we drove by for a bike ride with our club! We've had several people killed by them, but since we have so many people, DFG doesn't see that as a problem.
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Question?
Checking the following web site there are numerous types, causes and risks associated with "Viral hemorrhagic fevers"
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/viral-hemorrhagic-fevers/DS00539/DSECTION=3
What type is associated with the death of the deer population and is it contagious to humans?
Ebola
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Yes, they are here boys no matter what the state says, & they put them here.
I would really like to see the verified proof they are here. Foto's, scat, carcess, anything.
Even better would be the proof the DEC or any state official stocked them.
Thanks
Steve
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I have also heard the same thing about mountain lions here in Northwestern Pa. I would love to see a trail cam photo or even some pictures of actual mountain lion tracks. I know people are really fed up with State dnr's and game commissions, I'm wondering if these are becoming urban legends, the stories all start out the same. I have also heard the "coyote den trail camera" anyone out there have those pics please post them or a link to them.
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Cats have been in the souther tier of western New York for a number of years. Been a few pictires published, seen tracks myself. Also been some illegal exotice released or escaped because some dumb-a$$ had them and shouldn't have.
As for DEC secretly releasing them, oh yeah, it was to control the coyote population. And those were released to control the run-away success that the turkey unexpectedly had here. Give me a break.....
If you really want to believe that, then you better be careful that you don't let your sightings get out. Seeing that they are endangered species, your areas might become off-access to hunt - hmmm maybe it is all a covert operation by PETA to kill hunting.....
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Cats have been in the souther tier of western New York for a number of years. Been a few pictires published,
Could you please furnish the links to said pictures?
I have never heard of a verified foto of a wild ml in NY.
Thanks
Steve
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I live smack dab in the middle of acknowledged mt lion and bobcat country. My neighbor lost a dog ( golden retriever) to a mountain lion; and she ( the neighbor) treed the cat and called fish and game. By the time they got there; the cat had gotten down and taken off. Hounds were put on the trail; and different lion was taken behind another neighbors house. Lots of lions here; but I have only talked to a couple people that have EVER seen ONE.
I look all the time; and I have only seen one or two a year.
So; figure if I live in open country for the most part; and have seen a lion taking down a deer from my cabin in the past; and have had them take my neighbors dog....yet I only see one or two a year.
WELL THEN: what are the chances of people seeing a low number of cats- in a thickly forested area?
Coyotes do impact the deer herds; but seems like if there are deer walking around dying of disease; the easier it would be for the coyotes to make kills.
Of course that will lead to more coyotes..
Here in Idaho the wolves eat the coyotes. Want us to send you some ???? :saywhat:
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We have the same thing here in Iowa. The DNR released them but still says they are not here with the exception of the ones who "wander into the state". Thing is, since the DNR says they are not here. There is no season for them and no regulations regarding them in Iowa. We have been told, by the Iowa DNR if you see em, Shoot em. No law against it.
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We have a few cats, but it doesn't appear to be a big problem. I have seen bob's around, and heard rumors of larger cats, but it really doesn't seem to be that large of a problem.
Of course we are talking about Nebraska now, Where there are more wildlife than Democrats.
Awe come on, it was a joke!
Anyhows, the desease has not flourished here yet. Not to say that it won't, because we are overpopulated. My youngest son has an opportunity to work for NE wildlife. Hope he gets the job. I'm not sure if I would be able to handle the damn polotics.
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Bowferd: it is not those that stand quiet that will help in our battles; its those like you that spoke out here that will.
Salute.
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Angus: "We've had several people killed by them, but since we have so many people, DFG doesn't see that as a problem." :biglaugh:
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here in Iowa in the Loess Hills the deer numbers are not as good as the area could hold. If you get a deer return to the gut pile and bring a quiver full of arrows, the coyotes are thick. If the fur price would go up the problem would be reduced in Iowa.
Now as for the big kitties, in NW Iowa they are for real. My daughter inlaw had one follow her trail to within 30 yards of her. Doe pee on her boots was the cause. When she told the cat " If youdon't leave I will have to shoot you." From my position it looked like it took four bounds is all to clear the thirty foot high earthen dam, she was at the base. That lion was killing turkeys as well. The feathers were half buried under the cedar trees all over the place around that pond. I do not believe the DNR put them here.
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Shawn this is my first Trad post. Been hunting with traditional stuff for about 15yrs and I have a couple of points. I live/hunt Greene Co and we had very few Doe tags for the firearms season. I have counted 18 deer in my hunting area in one bunch as late as this past week. Also almost every surrounding field had 5-10. Lots of deer. Two reasons come to mind. The Greene County area has had several years with limited antlerless tags. Also being a rifle area most hunters I know of shoot/shoot at almost every dog they see. I killed a big male and my father hit but we lost another one in same season. Albany County has a large area of residential areas with alot of homes..4S comes to mind. I hunt here and have for 20 yrs or so. I see far less deer and most dogs I see are out of range.
Solution may be to put aside the sport of stick arrows for the dogs and spend time with a shotgun or 223 and kill some dogs. Alot of folks will let you hunt coyotes and not deer as coyotes leave disturbing crime scenes when they encounter the suburban cat and show dog. Good Luck.
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Why don't more of you hunt/trap them. They are a lot of fun to hunt. Never heard of midges going in. Thought it was more of a viral thing the midges carried.