Trad Gang
Main Boards => Hunting Legislation & Policies => Topic started by: Ron Vought on December 24, 2013, 08:01:00 AM
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Wanted to see if there is any interest in a October through January none stop traditional only archery season here in Pennsylvania. I can tell you there is interest brewing with this and a proposal that may see some support. Just want to see the interest in this and gather your thoughts.
Thanks,
Ron
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I would love that. Always thought that should be the case. Esp after hunting KS and MD that have similar seasons.
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Keith whats the dates and for the "Trad" season in Kansas?
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I can't find anything about a trad season in Kansas. I've suggested the idea for years, since most states seem fine with muzzleloader seasons, but I don't know of states that actually have it.
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With the crossgun now being introduced to the archery seasons across the US maybe its time to push for traditional only seasons that runs non stop from October through January.
Ron
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I have thought about this subject for several years now. I would love it!! It would be nice to have the state put land aside for "traditional methods" only, similar to a "flyfishing-only" stretch on a stream. But I surely believe that the opposition to a season would out weigh it because to many people want instant gratification now a days. That's why they pick up such things as a crossbow or a wheelie bow, because it is easier and takes less time to learn as well as perfect. I don't like crossbows and I especially do not like it when someone consider themselves a bowhunter when using such a contraption. But if a person has a handicap, that is a completely different story. Just my opinion and thanks for listening me rant.
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JMG - Interesting you made mention to "flyfishing only" areas on the stream. PA is actually pushing for bait to be used in the artificial lures only areas. It's another area where they are looking to include all fisherman. Pretty soon those areas will go away just like our archery season already has in PA.
Ron
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Ron,
Just curious, what would make one think that we would be able to have a Traditional Only season for that length of time ?
The season starts now in Oct. runs thru the 2nd week of Nov. then Gun season begins the Mon. after Thanksgiving and is in for two weeks,which has just come to an end. Now in less than two weeks the late season comes in(the day after Christmas) and runs until Jan.10 in my area, Jan.24 in in a few other WMU's.
Any of these seasons can be hunted with Traditional equipment if one chooses.
Is the idea you are suggesting meaning to open up the few weeks between the already established seasons?
Good Hunting,
Craig
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Craig -
Yes including the in between times where hunting is not allowed. We as traditional bowhunters would not have an impact on the deer herd. No reason why traditional bowhunters can't hunt non stop starting in October through January. The way I see it our archery season in PA is not really an archery season any longer due to all the intrusions and crossgun hunters.
Ron
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Sometimes you have to fight fore with fire. Some radicals create even more radical subgroups to make them not seem so bad.
If you were asking for a million dollars, it would sound like a lot but if party B was asking for 10 million dollars, then a million wouldn't seem so ridiculous.
I like the idea you propose, But you should also have someone Push for a year round Trad archery season also lol.
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If there's such a season count me on for support on it
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Ron you would probably be more successful in the PA Legislator to ask for the seasons to overlap like most states that border our state, Have the archery season lead up to the rifle season and take up right after the rifle season and end at the end of the season in January.
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That is the ask however the crossgun impact is not helping this effort. Too many deer being taken prior to the rut due to crossgun implementation. This will never allow for us bowhunters to land more recreational opportunity. People just don't understand that bowhunting was never really a deer management tool in PA until the crossgun came along...now there seems to be some concern. We can't have our cake and eat it too.
Ron
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I had no idea any state had a "traditional only" season. Ive been dreaming of something like that for years as I've watched our archery season be chipped away at little by little. Count me in.
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For starters it might be more feasible to maybe have an area set aside instead of asking for a season.That in its self could take off from there. Just a suggestion.
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Gun season is the big money maker here in the Keystone State,and the gun hunters are not a happy bunch. Archers have a chance to tag a big buck during the rut before the rifle season is here. Most years anyway.
They are complaining right now to the Game Commission , and yes I know, they could take up bowhunting also. And we could all hunt with compounds huh????
Bottom line is you keep the "money makers" happy and in this state those are the gun hunters. You may disagree but it's a fact.
If you can't kill a deer here in Pa.in the seasons that are available you might want to look at your hunting style or area. As far as I'm concerned we have a very long season and a fair amount of deer.
Ask for more and you sometimes wind up with less.
Good Hunting,
Craig
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Craig -
I think there is a lot less complaining from rifle hunters about the deer situation because they are now buying crossguns and killing them in archery season. Maybe this was the intent all along...please the die hard rifle hunter with another easy option of bagging their deer so they stop complaining.
Personally we should have a October through January non stop archery season however with the inclusion of the crossgun the chance at any extension to the season has diminished.
Ron
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I agree that we should have a traditional only season. We have chosen the hard path, and should be allowed the opportunity to hunt during the rut. I only know a handful of folks in my county who hunt trad. No significant impact on the deer herd will occur. And it may even draw more people to our side. However, the PGC should have a qualification course to ensure that those who wish to hunt this proposed season are proficient. Just my 2ยข.
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that would be great for you guys i would love to see that happen here in montana, good luck
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What I was saying, is having a nonstop season until the end of Jan. No breaks. Even hunt Sundays.
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Just now seeing this thread...there are pluses and minuses to this.
Allowing trad only to hunt Sundays just means we're going to get individuals who are NOT proficient by any means with a trad bow picking one up and marching out into the woods with it just to be able to hunt on Sunday. That is the number one thing I think we want to try and avoid.
I love the idea of having a non-stop season for us, but in order to include Sunday's I think Sunday's need to be allowed for all other weapon types first. We can't just be rewarded with an extra day that no one else gets just because we choose to pursue game "the hard way". All that will do is bring unwanted negative attention in my opinion.
A lot of times, depending on the weather, the action is still great right when the season ends in November. I really don't think the low number of trad hunters would have a significant impact on the population either.
Interested to see if this ever gains any traction...
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I'm not sure I understand the situation but if this is about traditional-only and no one else in the woods then ....If such a thing were proposed in my state I would gather a bunch of trad hunters like myself and go to the Commission meeting and OPPOSE it.
Most states in the east already have a non-stop trad season we just share it with other bowhunters. I guess you are talking about states where when gun seasons start archers have to stop? Well we did away with that in KY and IN years ago. I can hunt with my curve from 1st Sat. in Sept through mid-January, non-stop. I do believe in and support that.
By the way comments about "hard way" doesn't jive with some trad hunters who claim curves and LBs are more deadly (quick shooting) than compounds. Having your cake and eating it too can choke a man. I cringe thinking about the comments a trad hunter would make in public to justify such special treatment. There is a much greater chance of doing the trad hunter's reputation harm than doing good.
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I really don't like to say it but PA will continue to embrace an increase in technology enhancements and allow for them into the archery season before they will ever allow for a traditional archery season. Its a shame to see the archery season slip away to crossguns, more deer drives and increased technology enhancements to make things easier for those that don't care or have a clue as to archery's identity.
Ron
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Originally posted by Bowwild:
I'm not sure I understand the situation but if this is about traditional-only and no one else in the woods then ....If such a thing were proposed in my state I would gather a bunch of trad hunters like myself and go to the Commission meeting and OPPOSE it.
Most states in the east already have a non-stop trad season we just share it with other bowhunters. I guess you are talking about states where when gun seasons start archers have to stop? Well we did away with that in KY and IN years ago. I can hunt with my curve from 1st Sat. in Sept through mid-January, non-stop. I do believe in and support that.
By the way comments about "hard way" doesn't jive with some trad hunters who claim curves and LBs are more deadly (quick shooting) than compounds. Having your cake and eating it too can choke a man. I cringe thinking about the comments a trad hunter would make in public to justify such special treatment. There is a much greater chance of doing the trad hunter's reputation harm than doing good.
We should be asking ourselves as to where we draw the line on archery equipment and how does the advancements in archery equipment impact our season(s)? A traditional only archery season would not impact the archery season and could be expanded past what we currently have now in PA. Do we draw the line after a bolt is fired out of a crossgun with a 209 primer?
Ron