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Title: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: joebuck on May 06, 2008, 08:25:00 PM
I have been reading these threads the last couple of days and I have got the bug bad to build my first knife. i want to start out with a  simple plan and cut a blade out of high carbon steel. Where can i find some decent stock to cut my blade out of that I can find in my town or do I have to order some? thanks for any advice or help.
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: theunluckyhunter on May 06, 2008, 08:31:00 PM
i just made my second blade, i cut out the blade from a circular saw blade. turned out really nice too
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: OconeeDan on May 06, 2008, 09:33:00 PM
You can also use old files.  Truck leaf springs. Or old knives (meat cleavers).
You can make a blade out of anything, but it's nice to know what kind of steel it is so you can properly treat it.
My first knife, made from a file, I never got it too hot to hold, never heat treated it.  It would not stand a chance in the torture test of bending it in a vise, but it will gut 2 deer and still shave hair, which is good enough for most of us.
Dan
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: Ray Hammond on May 06, 2008, 09:44:00 PM
Joey,
Call Pop's Knife...get you some bar stock if you don't wanna go fishing around in the junkyard.

If you are like me, you don't know good steel from bad unless it has a number printed on the side, and most junkyard stuff doesnt.

Call me, I will send you a roughed out blade you can grind/file on or adjust to your liking. I have a few Ive roughed out of 154CPM which is pretty good stuff.

678-300-2883
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: theunluckyhunter on May 06, 2008, 10:04:00 PM
ok scratch the saw blade, i got it glued in and looking good then snap, i cut the tang too thin....any suggestions on knife blade companies?
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: OconeeDan on May 06, 2008, 10:52:00 PM
It takes patience..
Try Jantz, Texas Knife supply
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: joebuck on May 07, 2008, 09:20:00 AM
Thanks Ray and guys for advice. Your right Ray, me in a junk yard would be a waste of time. I'll google some knife supply companys for flat stock. The idea of cutting my knife design out appeals more than buying one.......now thats how I feel without cutting one out yet with simple tools!!!!!!.....I may change my mind yet!
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: OconeeDan on May 07, 2008, 10:07:00 AM
Also, first time you draw out a blade, make a cardboard cutout to hold in your hand.  what looks good on paper doesn't always feel good in hand.  
Then practice on paint stirring sticks by making wooden blades.  you'll see how the grind will look and it may keep you from throwing a piece of steel in the trash.
Dan
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: tippit on May 07, 2008, 07:51:00 PM
Joey, I'd be glad to send you a roughed out blank that you could finish.  Your Turkey Talk got me back into turkey hunting...in fact I'm off to Vermont tomorrow to try my Martha Stewart bow   :bigsmyl:  Just PM me as to what you are looking for...Doc
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: joebuck on May 07, 2008, 09:32:00 PM
thanks Doc , I may take you up on that. Are silver bolsters and butts hard to do? If you are Plainfield Vt, this weekend. My old college roomate has a resteraunt there called 'River Run" .His name is Jimmy Kennedy..tell him hello..good luck on the birds and let me know how you do!
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: OconeeDan on May 07, 2008, 09:44:00 PM
Bolsters and butts are not usually seen on a first knife, but if that's what you want, then go for it.
Dan
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: theunluckyhunter on May 07, 2008, 09:47:00 PM
what helle blade do yall recomend???

and what size of saw blade is minimal for a knife blade?
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: joebuck on May 07, 2008, 09:56:00 PM
I guess if i acid etched it and added silver threading in the handle and some simple engraving on my first knife, i would be showing off!
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: KHALVERSON on May 08, 2008, 04:51:00 PM
joebuck'
i dont think that it would be showing off
i love looking at everyones knives
i dont care if it is the first one they built or the 5000th
show us what you got
PLEASE
 BE AS CREATIVE OR AS SIMPLE AS YOU LIKE
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: joebuck on May 09, 2008, 11:53:00 AM
i made this plywood knife extremely close to what I want. Now where do I buy bolsters? Also this is probably dumb question but if i use a good quality High carbon steel for blade, will my bolsters match in color? Overall knife is 8 1/2' with 4" handle..thanks for any help

 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c114/swamprooter/PlywoodKnife.jpg)
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: skullworks on May 09, 2008, 12:06:00 PM
If you want carbon bolster you'll have to make them yourself I believe. Most I've seen are brass, nickel or stainless. Nice blade shape!
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: joebuck on May 09, 2008, 12:20:00 PM
Would nickle match high carbon?
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: skullworks on May 09, 2008, 12:21:00 PM
Maybe if they were both polished to a bright finish.
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: joebuck on May 09, 2008, 06:15:00 PM
I'm leaning now towards cable....
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: Lin Rhea on May 09, 2008, 08:33:00 PM
Joe,
     Your pattern sure look good. I bet the knife will too.
                                 Lin
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: Ray Hammond on May 09, 2008, 08:48:00 PM
the 154CPM blank I offered you will match up nice with nickel or stainless. Or a brass guard and buttplate will set it off, as well.

Nickel, believe it or not, creates a reaction in some folks that is fearsome to behold. Turns their hand plumb GREEN, Joey.

You can buy bolsters from Texas Knife Supply or Jantz.
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: joebuck on May 09, 2008, 09:08:00 PM
Thanks Ray, turns their hands Green!.... I sure might buy that blank off you...Is it carbon?  thats shows my ignorance right there. If I can't track Tony Bell down for some cable. I'll buy it...

Thanks also Lin, I read all your threads/posts...your an artist. Your work is the bell curve... I hope I never run across you with a pocket full of money and you with a suitcase full of knives...
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: OconeeDan on May 09, 2008, 09:50:00 PM
Joe, your wood knife looks good!
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: Ray Hammond on May 10, 2008, 08:27:00 AM
ATS-34 and 154-CPM
A very "high-end" stainless steel. 154-CM is the original American version. ATS-34 is a Hitachi product that is very, very similar to
154-CPM, both are premium high quality stainless.

Normally hardened to around 60 Rc, it holds an edge very well and is tough even at that high hardness. Not quite as rust resistant as the 400 series. Many custom makers use ATS-34, and Spyderco (in their high-end knives) and Benchmade are among the production companies that use it.

I sent you an email.
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: joebuck on May 10, 2008, 08:38:00 AM
Thanks Ray.  well the Wooden knife bit the dust. It just couldn't hold up to a sword fight between my 3 year old and my 5 yearold boys last night. My 5 year chose the knife for close work and my 3 year old got the Star Wars sword. Unfortuately the plywood couldn't hold up to a 'wack" from the china plastic. i wish the sword would have broke becasue it has batteries and makes noise!!!...
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: Ray Hammond on May 10, 2008, 12:42:00 PM
those dang jedi knights will wreck a party every time!!!!!  :biglaugh:  

If you come to Atlanta I'd love to meet your family, Joey.
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: joebuck on May 10, 2008, 03:20:00 PM
Last time I was at your home Ray, it was full of fine antiques. We would be a nervous wreck. Plus my wife doesn't need to be around anymore antiques.......3 year old is the worst..he'll just haul off and throw something....I've been in the shop working on a bow, can't get anything done!
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: Ray Hammond on May 10, 2008, 06:57:00 PM
We have two granddaughters, 5 and 7. Everything that CAN be broken HAS been broken! No need to worry, brother.
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: tippit on May 10, 2008, 07:18:00 PM
Joey, That knife looks a little pointy...you start doing your Turkey Strut and watch out!  Martha didn't see any turkeys up close & personal...Doc (still trying)
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: joebuck on May 11, 2008, 08:32:00 PM
Doc, check your PM
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: Bodork on May 11, 2008, 10:04:00 PM
Joe, after seeing your recurve, I can't wait to see your knife. I know you have the natural ability and artistry to make a nice one even on your first try. Mike
Title: Re: 1st Knife advice?
Post by: joebuck on May 11, 2008, 10:28:00 PM
Thanks Bodark but ya'll are the artists...I am just a wood grinder  :D   I have been reading all the threads I can lately trying to school myself....My biggest problem is deciding which knife blade style to "attempt" first.... Problem is I love every style...I wish I got in this 20 years ago.......I am definitely leaning towards some type of skinner.....