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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Octavian on January 28, 2008, 08:53:00 PM
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I recently got a Morrison Shawnee with Dakota limbs.It is a 62 lb bow at my draw 27''. I'm shooting Goldtip 55/75 trads out of it. They are cut to 30 1/2''.I'm positive my spine is correct because the arrows aren't whipping right or left they are dead center. But the arrow keeps going nock high. I tried different nocking from 1/4'' to 5/8'' and everything in between.(this is while bare shafting) But nothing seems to solve it. I don't know whether it's me or something else. :(
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It could be possible you need to go higher. Sometimes if you are too low the nock end of the arrow is "flung" up when passing the shelf. I usually start out about 7/8" or so. I like to know that it is too high. Then I come down a tiny, tiny bit at a time until it corrects itself...Mike
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I'm not sure if I'm overthinking this, but I also like to bareshaft with the bow held vertical. In my mind if the bow is canted nock high won't be straight up and down. It will be high in line with the upper limb. Say your tip is at 2 o'clock when the bow is canted, then nock high will also be the nock end going to 2 o'clock. Again, maybe I'm thinking too much and someone will be sure to correct me. I've been known to overthink. LOL...Mike
PS...sorry if I confused you.
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May want to look at which finger is getting the most pressure. If you are shooting split and you are getting a callus on your ring finger, you may need more pressure on the middle finger. 3 under index finger. I have had this going on lately and am working on it. Just a thought.
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Thank you guys for the replies. The vertical bow does bring up a point.I shoot split fingers, I don't see a callus forming on my ring finger but it is the one that is sore the most.
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Id go with hatchser,too much pressure with ring finger can cause you to shoot high and may be the whole deal, I had that problem and one of the ol' pros straightened me out...much better grouping now
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I agree with Mike's second post.
If you cant a bow when you normally shoot, you should hold the bow vertical during arrow tuning so you don't get a false reeading. Depending on lefty or righty, if you shoot with a cant your knock high reading is actually a spine issue.
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I say fletch one and try it. I had the same problem.
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Sometimes because of the bow or the way you release you won't get all the nock high out.
Shoot some bare shafts from 20-25 yards and just watch the flight.If it's not diving to the bottom of your target it will be fine.
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If your bow is being shot from the vertical to bareshaft then you have a problem, or lack of one that myself and MANY other shooters have. No matter what I do I cannot get a bareshaft to fly without the nock being slightly high. I can shoot bareshaft out to 60-70 yards with great arrow flight just a little nock high. I even shoot practice 3D's with bareshafts to check my release and form and I don't have any problems there either. Shoot great scores without feathers. If everything else is good leave it alone and just enjoy the fact that you are in the 5-10% that even know how to or even care enough to bareshaft.Have a great day. Frank
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in the masters of barebow 2 video ken beck from black widow adresses this problem. 1 out of eight have this problem and if you want perfect arrow flight you need to go to an elevated rest. at first i was skeptical but there is no doubt that your arrow flight will improve and you will be able to find your correct nock point setting. i was having to shoot around an inch over off the shelf with my arrows still being nock high. switched to a rest and everything came down, now i can shoot bareshafs out to 40 yards w/o a problem. try it you will be impressed. if a rest is not trad enough then arrow flight should not matter to you.
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I have most of my bows at 3/4 to as high as 7/8's. Got a new Shawnee and started to work on the problem. Couldn't get anything to work until I talked to Ken Beck at Compton. He told me to try a nock set above AND below the arrow. Set it at 3/8's and I was good to go.
This didn't not work with a short trial on an ACS-CX. This spring I'll try to put two on it again.
Bowmania
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I agree with draglineman, fletch one up and see what they are doing. We shoot the exact arrows. My dad's bow soesn't bareshaft these arrows as well as mine but when he fletched them up, they through darts at every distance.
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One more note on the finger pressure. If you have someone to watch as you shoot. Have them stand behind you and see if at full draw you are torque-ing the string causing the arrow to bend. If your elbow is too high with split finger you will see this and get the type results you've discribed.
Ron
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Shooting off the shelf, you may not be able to get rid of ALL of the nock high, just as a right handed shooter may not be able to get rid of all the nock left. Nock high and a tiny bit left are normal for a right handed shooter off the shelf.
What is your FOC on those arrows? If you are shooting a very high FOC, it will mean a nock high arrow, thats why the high foc fans dons't like to bareshaft.