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Title: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 02, 2015, 02:37:00 PM: Here's my take on doing a flared/footed riser. I was really influenced by Brush Wolf's build along. I think it is more or less the way he does it. So here goes!

You start with wood.. :D

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/Flare%20along/IMG_0412_zps28895081.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/Flare%20along/IMG_0412_zps28895081.jpg.html)

From top to bottom: bloodwood, figured maple (for accent stripes), sappelle and bocote. Couldnt believe how much the bocote oxidized.
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 02, 2015, 02:47:00 PM: cut to size.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/Flare%20along/IMG_0415_zpsafed2922.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/Flare%20along/IMG_0415_zpsafed2922.jpg.html)

Here is my approach. I had my wife (a graphic designer), draw me a template that I later had cut out of plexiglass. The accent stripes are 0.140" thick. I overlay it on the wood and use a paint pen to trace. The scratch lines show my boundaries and 14, 15 and 16" riser lengths.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/Flare%20along/IMG_0416_zps4544483a.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/Flare%20along/IMG_0416_zps4544483a.jpg.html)
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Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 02, 2015, 02:48:00 PM: (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/Flare%20along/IMG_0417_zps900001c6.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/Flare%20along/IMG_0417_zps900001c6.jpg.html)
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Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 02, 2015, 02:50:00 PM: Off to the bandsaw to cut between the lines...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/Flare%20along/IMG_0419_zps9a7cbb34.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/Flare%20along/IMG_0419_zps9a7cbb34.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/Flare%20along/IMG_0420_zps6f801ed9.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/Flare%20along/IMG_0420_zps6f801ed9.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/Flare%20along/IMG_0425_zps8469f44e.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/Flare%20along/IMG_0425_zps8469f44e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: Mad Max on February 02, 2015, 02:50:00 PM: :campfire:
cool
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 02, 2015, 02:52:00 PM: Resaw and grind the accent stripes.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/IMG_0429_zps224f1e48.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/IMG_0429_zps224f1e48.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/IMG_0428_zps4388bfe1.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/IMG_0428_zps4388bfe1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 02, 2015, 02:52:00 PM: Dry fit the parts....not too bad but plenty of light showing through.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/IMG_0430_zps6b37c12d.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/IMG_0430_zps6b37c12d.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 02, 2015, 02:54:00 PM: I also had plexiglass templates made from the same file used for the template. However, they are too thin to use as the actual sanding template for my RoboSander. I had to make plywood templates...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/IMG_0432_zpscb62932a.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/IMG_0432_zpscb62932a.jpg.html)

My brother-in-law turned me on to turner's tape. Really thin but strong double stick tape.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/IMG_0434_zpsfd2bdcf4.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/IMG_0434_zpsfd2bdcf4.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 02, 2015, 02:55:00 PM: The wide templates are very sturdy and keep everything in line. The tape is the bomb...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/IMG_0437_zpsb8a7fca4.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/IMG_0437_zpsb8a7fca4.jpg.html)

The next dry fit was much better, no light shining through...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/IMG_0439_zps3f9471f5.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/IMG_0439_zps3f9471f5.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 02, 2015, 02:56:00 PM: That's all I got done on Saturday. Won't get back to it until next week...
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Post by: BenM on February 02, 2015, 03:03:00 PM: Looking great. Thanks for taking the time.
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Post by: Roy from Pa on February 02, 2015, 03:21:00 PM: Very nice..
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: Buemaker on February 02, 2015, 04:01:00 PM: Very good. Bue--.
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Post by: Crittergetter on February 02, 2015, 04:09:00 PM: Talk about good timing! I'm gonna try a flared riser on my swap bow and been thinking about what steps where involved for the last couple of days! Thx bro!
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: rmorris on February 02, 2015, 04:13:00 PM: Beach, you have any issues with that sander? I have one and for some reason if I over tighten it , I get a rounded profile and if it tighten it just enough to keep the drum straigh it slips while sanding.
Anyways , thanks for sharing I attempted this with my swap bow this weekend and failed!
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: rockkiller on February 02, 2015, 04:16:00 PM: I have been looking forward to this.Thanks for sharing.
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Post by: Mad Max on February 02, 2015, 04:17:00 PM: I'am watching

Nice post
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Post by: bowhntineverythingnh03743 on February 02, 2015, 05:36:00 PM: Love it... I want to learn how to make one of these patterns to fit my bows
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: R. W. Mackey on February 02, 2015, 08:35:00 PM: Beach, very nice can't wait to see how you finish this. Wondering where does one get plexiglass cut out like that,
A glass shop maybe. Like the idea.

RW
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 02, 2015, 08:42:00 PM: Rich, Maybe you could explain what you did and how it failed. We can use this thread as a resource for folks trying to do it.

The Robosander has worked fine for me. I don't remember assembling it and haven't had it bulge as you describe. However it is not for hogging off a lot of wood. After I tape the piece to the template, I go to my Rigid edge/spindle sander and knock off as much as I can. I go easy and make light passes until the bearing at the bottom of the Robosander does not spin.

I think it is key to remove the thickness of the accents you plan to put in. If you only cut along a line and sand smooth it won't close tight.
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 02, 2015, 08:49:00 PM: RW I bet you could find a place. Maybe a sign company. If they don't do it I bet they could connect you to one. I have a plastics place near my work.

Hey Rockkiller, you better be watching. I think this thread was your idea!
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: rockkiller on February 02, 2015, 09:52:00 PM: I'm married and have two grown daughters.I am not use to anyone listening to what I say.Ain't sure if it has ever happened before. :eek:
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: Pheonixarcher on February 03, 2015, 09:31:00 PM: Very nice work! Thanks for sharing. Those are some great ideas.
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: LESKEN2011 on February 04, 2015, 07:06:00 AM: Nice job, Norbert. This is a big help for some of us! I can't wait to see the finished product.
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: Troy D. Breeding on February 04, 2015, 08:09:00 AM: Looking great!
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 04, 2015, 01:06:00 PM: Thanks. I plan to do some more profile sanding on one of the risers and glue them up on Saturday. Not sure I will get to making the bows for a while. Been thinking about making these two for some old buddies on the East Coast as a surprise and to get them into archery.
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: Wagstaff on February 05, 2015, 01:18:00 PM: This is one of those really good threads that keeps me coming back to TradGang and Bowyers Bench.. Thanks for contributing..! I really appreciate how much I'm learning from you folks..
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 09, 2015, 02:38:00 PM: I like to do these in two steps. I never could get comfortable cutting out the flare on both sides and not worry about breaking it or getting everything lined up without sliding.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/Flare%20along/IMG_0455_zpsd127a596.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/Flare%20along/IMG_0455_zpsd127a596.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 09, 2015, 02:40:00 PM: I read an interview with Bill Howland of Brackenberry Bows where he said he no longer cooks his risers. He said that the differential shrinkage of different woods and laminations is what caused slippage problems. Made sense to me....I use the California Sunshine.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/Flare%20along/IMG_0456_zpsa834d661.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/Flare%20along/IMG_0456_zpsa834d661.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 09, 2015, 02:41:00 PM: Didn't get to glue up the second half but got them cut.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/Flare%20along/IMG_0461_zpsf827b437.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/Flare%20along/IMG_0461_zpsf827b437.jpg.html)

I still can't tell which one I am going to like better...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/Flare%20along/IMG_0467_zpscd5c3eba.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/Flare%20along/IMG_0467_zpscd5c3eba.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 09, 2015, 02:51:00 PM: Very nice..
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Post by: timbermoose on February 09, 2015, 02:58:00 PM: Lookin real nice.
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Post by: canopyboy on February 09, 2015, 04:15:00 PM: Dang.
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Post by: Crittergetter on February 09, 2015, 06:55:00 PM: That's pretty dang slick! Looks great! I like the top one! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: fujimo on February 09, 2015, 10:18:00 PM: great Job!
(http://yoursmiles.org/csmile/friend/c0404.gif) (http://yoursmiles.org/c-friend.php)
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: Pheonixarcher on February 10, 2015, 03:02:00 AM: I need to get me some fancy templates/patterns like those! I made a simple arc, in a matching set, by hand that took forever and a day! I also use the double sided tape with good results.

What's nice about it is that the simple curve doesn't need any adjustment for thickness of the accent lines. Compound curves such as yours will limit your accent thickness to the width of the gap between the matching templates.
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 10, 2015, 11:52:00 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Pheonixarcher:
What's nice about it is that the simple curve doesn't need any adjustment for thickness of the accent lines. Compound curves such as yours will limit your accent thickness to the width of the gap between the matching templates.
Yeah, that is the complication. I took me a while to recognize that. Some guys use the washer trick where you put a pencil in the hole and roll it along the edge of one side to get an exact thickness along the entire length.
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: rockkiller on February 10, 2015, 12:04:00 PM: Yeah, that is the complication. I took me a while to recognize that. Some guys use the washer trick where you put a pencil in the hole and roll it along the edge of one side to get an exact thickness along the entire length. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Huh :confused: :dunno:
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 10, 2015, 03:07:00 PM: Ok picture this...

Lay down a ruler, draw a line and keep the ruler in place. Put a washer up against the edge of the ruler. Stick a pencil tip in the inside hole of the washer and draw a line as you roll the washer along the ruler. The distance (thickness) between the ruler line and the washer line will be the same thickness (i.e. the width of the washer) the whole length. Picture doing that up against your limb template or a riser highlight line template...
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Post by: rockkiller on February 10, 2015, 05:27:00 PM: :knothead: Got it.I'm a little thick headed sometimes.Ok.. more then sometimes.
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Post by: Buemaker on February 10, 2015, 06:08:00 PM: Perhaps this one could be used.
http://www.m-powertools.com/products/perfect-butt/perfect-butt.htm
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: beachbowhunter on February 10, 2015, 06:46:00 PM: That's not what comes up when I Google "Perfect Butt" but I'm sure it draws a nice line :D

Bue you sure know your tools!
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Post by: Crittergetter on February 10, 2015, 11:01:00 PM: Lol!!!! "Google perfect butt"! I'd have a hard time explaining that one to my wife! :laughing: cool trick tho!!
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Post by: Crooked Stic on February 11, 2015, 06:44:00 PM: Really nice combo and work.
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Post by: beachbowhunter on February 17, 2015, 01:45:00 PM: Got the second half glued up and cleaned off. Looks nice with a quick spray of sanding sealer.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/Flare%20along/IMG_0470_zpsf1b26917.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/Flare%20along/IMG_0470_zpsf1b26917.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/Flare%20along/IMG_0472_zpscb49b280.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/Flare%20along/IMG_0472_zpscb49b280.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/Flare%20along/IMG_0474_zps597bdd27.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/Flare%20along/IMG_0474_zps597bdd27.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Finished - Flare/Footed Riser-along
Post by: rmorris on February 17, 2015, 02:07:00 PM: Well done! I am hoping to have mine up and running this weekend.
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Post by: soy on February 17, 2015, 03:03:00 PM: Wild! :thumbsup:
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Post by: Roy from Pa on February 17, 2015, 03:05:00 PM: Sweet...
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Post by: stack on February 17, 2015, 05:35:00 PM: What are the dimensions on these?
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Post by: beachbowhunter on February 17, 2015, 07:09:00 PM: Roughly 3.5" wide x 1.75" thick x 16" long (I will trim to 15").
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Post by: redant 60/65 on February 17, 2015, 09:58:00 PM: Great pictorial Norb :thumbsup:
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Post by: Crittergetter on February 17, 2015, 11:11:00 PM: Man, those turned out great!! Can't wait to see em in a bow!!
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Post by: BrushWolf on February 27, 2015, 02:12:00 PM: Great looking job! :clapper: :clapper:
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Post by: canopyboy on February 27, 2015, 02:28:00 PM: Very nice. I needed to see something good this afternoon.
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Post by: Bodork on February 27, 2015, 06:23:00 PM: Looking good! I can't decide which one I like the best.
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Post by: beachbowhunter on June 23, 2015, 04:45:00 PM: These two are on the right. I had someone really want a different sort of bow so these two took a back seat.

Brought this up for Bowhunteverything to answer a PM on the templates...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/IMG_0767_zpsykzb6ral.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/IMG_0767_zpsykzb6ral.jpg.html)
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Post by: bowhntineverythingnh03743 on June 23, 2015, 07:12:00 PM: Thanks man!
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Post by: Mad Max on June 23, 2015, 08:10:00 PM: Looking good
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Post by: chackworth3 on June 23, 2015, 10:00:00 PM: Very nice
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Post by: chackworth3 on June 24, 2015, 09:13:00 AM: Very nice
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Post by: Krasus on July 02, 2015, 10:04:00 PM: Those look sick! Awesome!
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Post by: rockkiller on July 03, 2015, 09:06:00 AM: Those look great.Your craftsmanship and artistic eye are up there with the best.
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Post by: beachbowhunter on August 03, 2016, 11:15:00 AM: Finally got these finished. Made them for a couple of my cousins back east hoping to get them into archery. They are both 38@28, 64". Bocote/Sapelle with curly maple and bloodwood accents. Man gloss finish is a PIA!!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/IMGP1091_zpsnhok9s59.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/IMGP1091_zpsnhok9s59.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/IMGP1093_zpsgtkigvla.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/IMGP1093_zpsgtkigvla.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/IMGP1096_zpsmffvepoh.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/IMGP1096_zpsmffvepoh.jpg.html)
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Post by: Crittergetter on August 03, 2016, 11:46:00 AM: Beautiful beautiful work! You sir are a genuine artists!
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Post by: Luzern Guthrie on August 03, 2016, 08:28:00 PM: Have any of you ever tried using a flush cut router
bit with a bearing on the end? If you use it mounted in the router with router table it does the same job as the sanding drum and much faster
and a cleaner cut. Just a thought.
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Post by: Luzern Guthrie on August 03, 2016, 08:42:00 PM: The reply on the use of a router was for rmorris
and his concern about a rounded profile with his
sander. You still use the templates the same as with the sander.
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Post by: Igor on August 04, 2016, 08:22:00 AM: Sweet!
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Post by: Trux Turning on August 04, 2016, 09:16:00 AM: A couple of beauties! Great job on them.
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Post by: Mad Max on August 04, 2016, 08:23:00 PM: You really do nice work
Awesome
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Post by: bigbob2 on August 04, 2016, 09:28:00 PM: Beautiful! first class!
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Post by: beachbowhunter on August 05, 2016, 12:37:00 PM: Thanks gents! Couple more to show the wood...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/IMGP1102_zps7ctqfo4d.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/IMGP1102_zps7ctqfo4d.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/IMGP1103_zps52lfpfqg.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/beachbowhunter/media/IMGP1103_zps52lfpfqg.jpg.html)
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Post by: kennym on August 05, 2016, 12:40:00 PM: Super nice, Norb!
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Post by: breazyears on August 05, 2016, 10:42:00 PM: Very nice!
You dont happen to know where a guy can get a PDF file for a footed riser template do ya?
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Post by: bigbob2 on August 06, 2016, 02:56:00 AM: breazy check out Jim Thorne, 'build your own bow' he has great plans for footed riser, come on pdf file too.
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Post by: DesertDude on August 07, 2016, 08:39:00 PM: Clean Norb very clean
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Post by: Mad Max on August 07, 2016, 08:55:00 PM: Nice looking Bocote on that grip
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Post by: breacher on August 09, 2016, 11:57:00 AM: Wow! Those are beautiful!