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Main Boards => The Bowyer's Bench => Topic started by: Wolftrail on April 22, 2018, 02:17:50 PM
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Why does it seem that we have so much controversy between Self bows and laminated wood bows..? I have read so many arguments against each other its enough to make my head spin.
Some guys say a Selfie is better others prefer Laminate bows. but its just not what is preferred its also about Engineering and the fine aspects of tillering, wood choice etc.......etc......
Its kind of like pulling into the Grocery store parking lot and somebody is freaking on you because they thought they were first. :jumper: As I always say Everybody else is right but you.. :goldtooth:
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It doesn't matter to me what anyone else shoots. I make and shoot selfbows because I like the challenge of both actions. I have made backed and tri-lam all wood(incl. boo) bows, I even made one glass lam bow but I prefer selfbows. I own glass lam bows, one recurve and 2 R/D style bows and shoot them way better than I shoot a selfbow but I still prefer selfbows. I very rarely shoot my glass bows. Trying to say one is better than the others isn't in my vernacular. The end results with all is the same. They can all hit a bulls eye of a target butt or the kill zone of a game animal.
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I like self bows and lams... but I only put mustard on my hotdogs. People who put ketchup on hotdogs are exactly what's wrong with this country now. Ketchup AND mustard? We should pass legislation against that! Maybe in California or New York that's ok but not around here!
But as far as self bows vs laminated... there is room far all persuasion of bent sticks (except horse bows, those are just weird).
OkKeith
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controversy between Self bows and laminated wood bows?
Not on my end...
I'm fine with all of them...
To each their own...
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I like and make and shoot many different type bows , to me a bow is a bow regardless of material they all have different building and shooting techniques but in the end they all shoot arrows, like Roy says to each his own !
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It's just personal preference. Both will get the job done.
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Personally I have not seen a lot of controversy over self bows and laminated bows. Seen some controversy over some other types of bows, but we won't go there. I like all bows - anything that I have to nock an arrow, pull back on a string, release the string, and propel an arrow. I own, make, and shoot all kinds!
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Controversy? Like what? Where?
I make all kinds, with many of the same tools, the same days sometimes, and have them all mixed together hanging on the same racks. Never saw any controversy here.
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Its kinda like redheads, blondes or brunettes its all about which one suits my fancy at the time. And sometimes which one is faster. :laughing:
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Or the chicks in the hen house, Johnny?
:laughing:
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If it throws a stick downrange I've shot them, and I've made them -- self-bows, wood-wood composites, and wood-glass composites.
Now I'm working on my first wood-horn-sinew composite, a very short (41" ntn), very light-draw (30-40#) Turkish bow modelled after one in the Topkapi museum.
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I think the controversy is mainly about what should be allowed in the primitive class in some tournaments. It used to be any natural material but the biggies have gone to a true selfbow with only sinew or rawhide backing. I tend to agree as we have really pushed the limits on what we can get out of a lam bow nowadays and many look as modern as any glass bow out there.
I am a selfbow guy now but have made a bunch of bamboo backed bows in the past.
All the local tournaments still allow natural material bows in the primitive class.
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All wood bows suck... Glass is the only way to Go!!
Just kidding...
I actually have a deep respect for you guys... :notworthy: It takes a lot to tiller, follow grain and chase rings on an all wood bow and then you are not even guaranteed that it will not break on you...
So... Hats off to the wood bow Guys... :clapper:
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I think the only argument I can see for a selfbow vs wood laminate bow would be from someone with a more "purist" mindset. That is, especially when you get into multiple wood laminate bows, you are relying on formulas and modern adhesives in order to achieve the final product (vs relying heavily on reading a stave and laying out the bow and tillering accordingly). The way I see it is if it flings an arrow to a target faster than I can throw it, it's all good. To each their own!
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Ty -- two-wood composite bows date back at least 3000 years across the cold northern top of Europe and Asia. Both the Saami people of Finland and the Japanese of the Jomon era 2600 years ago built sophisticated recurved two-wood bows using fish bladder glue and hide glue, without any sinew... Another name for these bows is Fenno-Ugrian, for the tribes of those areas of the North.
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I like self bows and lams... but I only put mustard on my hotdogs. People who put ketchup on hotdogs are exactly what's wrong with this country now. Ketchup AND mustard? We should pass legislation against that! Maybe in California or New York that's ok but not around here!
But as far as self bows vs laminated... there is room far all persuasion of bent sticks (except horse bows, those are just weird).
OkKeith
I like my dogs with Ketchup AND mustard. Some people want Onions at no cost. :jumper:
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Oh... My... Gosh, Dean!
I will try and be a better person and tolerate such a flagrant disregard of social norms. I do however believe that BOTH cheese and onions should be gratis condiments. Chili however is a la carte.
To each his own. I don't know of anyone PERSONALY.. but I have heard of certain taboo defying individuals that actually use mayonnaise!
I will however admit to eating fried fish with mustard and Pommes Frites with white vinegar... but PLEASE don't tell anyone.
OkKeith
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Ty -- two-wood composite bows date back at least 3000 years across the cold northern top of Europe and Asia. Both the Saami people of Finland and the Japanese of the Jomon era 2600 years ago built sophisticated recurved two-wood bows using fish bladder glue and hide glue, without any sinew... Another name for these bows is Fenno-Ugrian, for the tribes of those areas of the North.
That's pretty cool! I did not know there were old wood composite bows. Thanks for that!
And that's not even considering horn/composite bows.
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Also, fries with mayo is actually pretty good! I didn't try it until I visited the British Isles. Fries with malt vinegar... meh.
=D
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Tyler
The mayo with fries thing... absolutely! Especially if you mix in some Sriracha or Harissa sauce. White vinegar goes with fries, malt vinegar goes with fish and chips.
(And to keep this Traditional Archery related) Many times I eat my fries with various condiments while I shoot BOTH my self bows and my wood laminate bows... ALL AT THE SAME TIME! GASP!!!
OkKeith
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You won’t catch me shooting a self bow.
But that’s just because I haven’t learned how to build one.........yet. :bigsmyl:
And hot dogs should always be topped with chili sauce or coleslaw and mustard ;)
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Traditional Archery topics only in here guys....
So from now on, it's got to be traditional mustard, traditional ketchup, traditional mayo, and traditional onions.
:laughing: :thumbsup:
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Traditional ketchup and other condiments came in glass bottles or jars. Cant beat glass, them was the good ole days.
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Slaw Dogs... Mmmmm. Those are as Traditional as starched overalls and straw hats.
OkKeith
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At any rate I'll have my selfbow with any condiment. :bigsmyl:
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Unfortunately, when I go to a shoot, I'm the only one with a selfbow. So I'm ok with backed and composite bows as long as FG is not allowed.
Jawge
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George, what is wrong with glass bows?
They are a stick and a string....
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I could see where if you were in a shoot and the targets were at a distance... But at a 3D shoot where most of the targets are in the 17 to 25yd. zone I would think that you could be just as accurate as a F/G bow...
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Nothing is wong with FG bows, Roy. I meant in my class at a shoot. I always shoot selfbows so I don't care if archers shoot backed or compose bows in my class as long as they are not glass backed. Thats the way organizers set it up anyway. Jawge
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I love to watch the arrow fly!! Ever since I got my first bow at the age of seven I have loved the flight of the arrow!! I build mostly glass bows but have built board bows, self bows and bamboo backed osage but haven't tried a tri lam yet, although I will. I really want to build more self bows but good self bow wood is hard to come but here in Alaska, thats probably why I haven't built more of them. I do believe there is something magical about them!
But my how I love to see those feathered shafts fly!!
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Me too Badger!