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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Blackhawk on March 20, 2008, 11:10:00 PM
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I have read and heard many good things about the Palmer recurves, but there seems to be quite a bit of negatives too.
1. certain risers tend to split
2. bolt holes easily crack
3. double carbon is no better than single carbon
4. customer service is fair at best
5. and they are overpriced
I know these could be isolated instances, but this bow is one I have been wanting to try.
How about some input from those with first hand experience?
How do they compare with the top bows?
Are they worth it?
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I've got to shoot one palmer. It was a fine looking bow, but I did not care for the shooting qualities, hand shock and not near as smooth as others that I have owned and shot which include Black Widow SAII, quarf, DAS, proline warf, quinn comet, morrison(cheyenne and shawnee) and dakota by Rick Welch. I like the metal riser bows, but the Palmer didn't hold a candle to the Black Widow or Morrison. One man's opinion......
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Im getting mine next week. I will let you know. The Dakota bow exceeded all my expectations. Ive been shooting that for the past 3 weeks. My .o2
Andrew
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I've shot a single carbon model and I had a completely opposite experience as AMB. I've shot and owned tons of recurves and the Palmer I shot was one of the fastest, smoothest, and quietest recurve I've shot. Brace height at around 8" was perfect.
I would rank it in the top 5 recurves I've had.
Mike
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I`ve had my Palmer for about ten years now. Smooth, fast, quiet, with some work.No hand shock at all. When I got mine they were about half the price that they are getting now. Would I give what they are asking for them now? I would have to think about that.
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I owned a Palmer for quite a while, I liked it. It is a almost a carbon copy of a Bob Lee T/D at least they used to be. I would say it is in the top 20 out there. I have owned pretty much all of them out there, it was no where near as nice as my Blacktail, Morriosn, Schafer, Robertson, Widow but was a nice bow. Shawn
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I owned and shot a single carbon for a bit. It shot well and was quiet at around 7.75" brace. I'd still have it if I could shoot a recurve as well as a longbow.
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I have known Mike Palmer for a long time, spent time at his shop, and pro-shop when he ran it north of Houston, hunted with him, and learned a heck of a lot about traditional archery and shooting. He is one class act!
However in the beginning some of the complaints were somewhat valid. I have owned two Palmers, and would still have them if it were not for the fact that I switched to my left hand.
The most common complainant that I have heard was regarding customer service. Reaching Mike can be a problem, but that is due to the fact that his bows are in such demand, and he guides a Trophy Whitetail, hog, javelina, and turkey operation in South Texas.
This problem is not new to single operation bowyers, one guy doing everything. It is one of the reasons I love Black Widow so much, there will always be someone home to talk to you.
I too have owned most of the most popular bows out there. While Mikes bows are not for everyone, I found them both shooter friendly, fast(if that is all that important to the you) and durable. Did I think they were the best, well that is relative. I only shoot one brand of bow now, took me forty years to find the right one for me. Oh the other hand, I know a lot of guys in my neck of the woods that feel the same way about Mike's bows.
I guess I would rate them in the two ten to twenty of custom made bows available.
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I have owned 6 different Palmers. They varied greatly in speed. My best was a non carbon. Never had a double, but some were singles. I really liked two of them, the others were turned over quickly. I kept the top two for about four years until I got a Fedora which quickly replaced even my favorite.
That said they are nice bows, but due to the high variability I would stick to the used market so you don't lose a bunch if you get one that doesn't meet your expectations.
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I own two Palmers and extra limbs.I bought all used so, there would not be any customer service that I could report on.I couldn't be any happier.I've owned Morrisons and they are very nice bows,but I like and shoot the Palmers better.I have both single carbon and regular laminate limbs and can't tell much difference between the two although I perfer the regular.I've owned alot of other bows and find the Palmers very smooth,quiet(both in sound and the hand)and very fast.These are my perfered bow for everyday and hunting. Thanks, Ben
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My 2 cents: If you find a good deal on a used one, I'd say get it if you want one. I have shot a few, very similar to a Bob Lee, but not nearly as smooth or shootable, IMHO. As someone said above, this seems to vary considerably from bow to bow, and I know people who like them very much. However, I would not order a bow from Palmer. I had a very negative experience with him in the past: never got my bow or my deposit back. Negative feedback on his customer service seems to greatly exceed the positive, from what I've read, so I guess I'm not the only one. You pays your money and you takes your chances. . .Paul.
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I've had good luck with Palmers. I prefer the single carbon to the double myself. As far as customer service, I'm one of the lucky ones, Nancy has always gotten right back to me. Always have my eye open for a single carbon 60".
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My Palmer is an awesome shooter. It is a non carbon and is the best shooting bow I have shot.
I have shot many types of bows, since I used to have archery business.
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I have only shot one Palmer and was really impressed with it. So, impressed that I ordered my son one for his birthday.
As for customer service I have always had my emails returned within a day or two from Nancy. She has always answered all my questions and the whole order process was a pleasure.
My boy should be getting his bow in about a week or so.
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He is going to be one happy boy Chris.
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I have a 60" single carbon and 60" double carbon. They both draw smoothly, their plenty fast and accurate. They're relatively quiet with a little effort and the finish is great too. I've had mine for 5-6 years without any problems. My son also has a 62" single carbon that shoots great. Mike and Nancy have always treated me kindly and Mike even treated me to lunch on one occasion when I visited his shop. I would highly recommend his bows. I want a new trad slam but I don't think it will make me a better shooter to justify the expense. They sure are pretty though.
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I have a palmer double carbon classic. It is fast smooth quite and has no hand shock. It has taken many animals over the last 8 years. I think that it is a great bow.
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I bought a used single carbon a few years ago, it was a ok bow, when I was thinking between a palmer and a widow after that for a new bow, I tried to call palmer a few times and it took them a MONTH to get back with me, I had already ordered a widow by then and darn glad I did, I am not going to deal with a person who has that attitude about my buisness and my hard earned money.
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I am on my 9th Palmer. It is a double carbon legend. Not sure why, but there was a time I was bit by the Palmer bug and I had 4 at one time. I would say half of them had stress lines n the glass near the limb bolt holes, they still functioned O.K. but it was somewhat concerning. All have been used so I don't know if they were mis handled and that is what brought on the limbs to have stress lines in the glass. I have owned a trad slam but after inspecting it I sent it back to the original owner because not only were there stress lines in the glass near the limb bolt holes, the wood was cracked all the way through. I was disappointed in that because it was probably the best one I had owned yet. Just beware of the troubles that some Palmers have and search until you find one that you are happy with. I certainly give a look at every Palmer that goes up for sale, they are fine bows when you find a good one.
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I found a used one which the seller said was "too heavy" :confused: (not sure if he meant the pull weight or the physical weight), but it just came and I am going to give it a test drive. :wavey:
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It will be easy to tell if it is a single or double carbon.
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Palmers double carbons where desiegned with a mapple core carbon on each side with very thin veniers under the glass.
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The used Palmer arrived and after checking it over, I strung it up with a 7.75" brace and put a nock at 5/8" above center. There were very few handling marks on the bow and was in very good shape. I do not know the age of the bow, but the numbers on each limb are 7-1902T and 7-1902-B.
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/lwscott/palmer-2.jpg)
On the belly side of the lower limb are the only marks on the bow. Does "Carbon II" mean this is a double carbon bow?
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/lwscott/palmer-1.jpg)
The seller said the riser is something called "Texas Ebony", but it appears to be a dark actionwood (plywood) or dymondwood, but I'm no expert. It makes for a heavy bow and I found it very stable in the hand. I also noticed how similar the riser is to the Bob Lee bows. The grip was very comfortable and fit my hand very nicely.
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/lwscott/palmer-4.jpg)
I tried several types of arrows (both carbon and aluminum), but found a 515 gr. Gold Tip 35/55 Trad (175 gr. up front) to be a very good one.
The bow was very quiet and at 15-30 yards, the arrows went where I am looking. I did not chronograph any arrows, but speed appeared to be average.
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/lwscott/palmer-3.jpg)
My overall impression is positive (typical for me when getting a new bow), so I will have to shoot it for a couple weeks and then re-evaluate.
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I have bought 2 Palmers. Both were purchased used. The first one was 58 @ 28, 62". It was a smooth shooter, but a bit too much weight for me. I ordered a set of 60", 52 @ 27", double carbon limbs from Mike Palmer. Took about 6 months to get them. I put the limbs on my riser and strung it up a pulled back about 1/2 way and the string came off the lower limb. Stung it up again and slowly pulled back and watched the lower limb and it would twist to one side. I sent them back and Mike made another set and they worked fine. I used the bow with the 52# limbs for about a year and a half and sold it and the 58 # limbs.
I bought another Palmer, used, that is an older model. It is beat up a bit, but is a great shooter. I believe it was made around the mid 90's. It is a single carbon, 54# @ 28", 60". This one I still have.
I like the non carbon limbs and the single carbon limbs better than the double carbon. I like the single carbon best of all.
There does seem to be differences between different Palmer bows in my experience with them.
Jim.
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(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s271/Limbow/ede5_12.jpg)
I thought that bow looked familiar!
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I went to ETAR to buy a Palmer a few years back. Right after I shot it I tried a Foley and decided that was a better bow for me. I have one arriving in a couple days from Oregon. I think the Foley, Palmer, and Bob Lee bows are similar in design.
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I have owned several Palmers over the years. My favorite was a tan standard non-carbon TD. That was one good/fast shootin bow! One I regret letting go of. I found that most of the carbon Palmers were a bear to get em quieted down. They are some hard shooting bows. Would I buy another? Sure, if the price is right.
JL
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I really like my Palmer classic (bought it used), but it is a little on the loud side-seems like a vibration from the limb tips after the shot. Those who have had challenges getting them quiet, did you use bowhush on the string or moleskin on the string grooves near the limb tips?-I am considering trying the moleskin as I see Fred Eichler has this on his. Mine is very fast-the only other bow I have shot that is close is my habu and I have owned quite a few.
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I changed out the string, took an extra one I had from my Silvertip and it was amazing how much quieter that made it. I did order a mountain muffler string for it-Will see once that arrives but so far the Silvertip string made a huge difference and I can live with it now. I also put moleskin near the string grooves on the limbs, that helped as well.
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I had a used non carbon Palmer that was hands down THE quietest recurve I have owned to date. It shot very well and was above average in speed. Enjoyed that bow alot, but ended up selling it when I got a single carbon Palmer (used). Any difference in speed was negligiable to my eye. All in all I had good experiences with both and REALLY love the grips on the Palmers more than any other attribute,although the two I have owned also shot right where I looked. Still have the single carbon but have been thinking about selling it to raise funds for another bow.lol Guess thats just how most of us trad guys are! Always looking for that elusive PERFECT bow to suit us!
:rolleyes:
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The riser more than likely is action wood. I believe that almost all of his bows are. I know that all but one of the palmers i have shot are. They rank high in my book. I still turn to my pronghorn though.
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Yes, FerretWYO, I believe it is actionwood.
By looking at the side of the limbs, I see two thin black lines...so it must be a double carbon.
If it's not in the classifieds in a couple weeks, I must still be liking it. ;)
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Does anyone know if the traditional slam model is a single or double carbon?