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This is version 2 and is quite a bit more comfortable and feels better. Im not set on the tree tether....it held but i didnt feel secure. Im thinking i might use the 3" friction buckle and strap that came with the safety harness on my tree stand. Range of motion was great and i got the Bullman steps to work better on this run. They would not anchor to the walnut tree i tried the other day. The pictures were taken before i adjusted my seat. It was a little too far forward in the pics.
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Looks like total discomfort. Too much movement.
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I guess we will see
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ive been in it for 3 hours at a go and its WAY better then any stand ive sat in plus i have 360 degrees of shooting
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They made those things about 25 years ago. Too hard to stay off the tree trunk for hours. Too hard to position well for shots. I wasn't impressed.
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these saddles are meant to be used inlew of a stand. i was down low for practice. i also have a platform that goes around the tree to place my feet on. If you doubt it,, look up saddle hunting. to each their own but i quite like it
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Have one still in the box (Kestrel), some nasty termites have disrupted my preps and plan to use this season. But I am looking forward to giving it a go.
Just need to get priorities straight!
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Sounds like you have determination, and a positive attitude. I’ve never entertained the thought of one myself, plenty happy with a hang on and we have plenty of trees available for such here. Nothing wrong with trying to improve/modify something for the better. That said, hanging from a friction buckle sounds scary but I really don’t know. Just keep safety at the forefront. Hope you’re successful with your design and best of luck to ya!!
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A couple of my friends used them and loved em ,I could never figure out how you would shoot to the right ! I couldn't trust something that was just sewed together I'm too big .
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A good friend has one and loves it I messed with it around camp a few times seems to be very comfortable almost to comfy it was hard to stay awake in just seemed difficult for me to shoot from i have a pretty steep cant I hope it works out the way you want to
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That’s very interesting!
I can see the advantages of a light system as that.
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I’ve got s huntin buddy that swears by his treesaddle after using stands for a lot of years
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Saddles have come a long way over the years. My Kestrel is much more user friendly and comfortable than my old Trophy Line.
There are a few things that need to be fine-tuned with the set-up, though. Tether height and bridge length have a lot to do with hip pinch, or lack of pinch.
Knee pads are a must.
Climbing methods shouldn't be much different than what you use to hunt loc on type stands.
The only thing that really seems to be an issue for most guys is foot placement. It basically comes down to a ring of steps...which are attached to the tree in a variety of ways...or a mini platform. Tethrdnation has jus released a saddle platform that weighs in under 3 pound...yes THREE pounds! I have one and the thing is sweet. Easy to carry and fast to set up.
A lot of guys do have problems shooting on their off side (right side for a right hander) from a ring of steps, but from a saddle platform, they shoot just as well as a traditional stand.
True, 360 degree shooting is quite possible even when hunting fro 20" trees. Extremely large trees are difficult to shoot 360, but regardless...you can shoot a wider angle from a saddle that can be done with any other type of stand.
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I made a DIY version myself this past winter. It seems to work well, and i am very excited to give it a go. To me, it's not much different comfort wise than a normal tree stand. I do, however, really like the idea of shooting 360*.
They're definitely not for everyone, (as some were quick to point out) but i think they do have their place and there are times where they are superior to traditional tree stand setups.
Good luck with yours!
:campfire: :campfire:
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I have one that I bought back in the 80's......Anderson tree seat is the name on it. It has 2 sets of webbing, one for under your butt/legs and the other for your lower back. I've used it over the years as a "stand" and as a fall restraint. I use it mainly today for installation of treestands. I'm old enough now that my knees start hurting if I try to "prop" myself out from the tree like your second pic and if I bend them so I'm against the tree they stiffen up and really hurt when I straighten out. :banghead:
Good luck, shoot straight and God bless,
Rodd
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Saddles are great for hanging stands. Regular safety harnesses with a linesman belt puts the belt right where you need to set the stand but with a saddle, the tether is up above and out of the way of where the stand needs to be set.
Ease of movement and comfort is much better in a saddle when using it for hanging stands.
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I spent 4 hours in mine today. It was WAY more comfortable either of my stands. I practiced shooting and can shoot nearly 360 degrees which i cannot do in a stand.
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looks great. well done
i built a tree seat, which i really like!
its comfortable.
i used seat belt webbing that completely encircles the whole seat- so less to fail.
it allows me to shoot on both sides easily- for the off side- you kind of flip over on your belly.
the choker strap around the tree, terminates with a screw gate carabiner, that clips to the green rope section in the first pic. that allows you to slip from side to side and self-centers keeping the load balanced and doesn't try and spin you around.
its great for keeping the tree between you and the target.
sure was lighter to pack around the bush than my tree stand.
it does take some getting used to, and the solid tree seat has the metal doo hickey that keeps you off the trunk, keeps the strain off my old knees.
the light webbing shoulder starps allow me to climb the tree with greater ease, and then when in position, i just slip them from my shoulders.
the seat has cinch up thigh straps that secure you to the seat, its snug, moves with you and is really comfortable. it would be super easy to glue some foam camping pad to the plywood- to make it better.
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I love me some saddles! I actually ditched my safety harness in favor of a saddle. So now even when I hunt my preset hang on stands, I can spin around, face the tree and lean way out to shoot behind me. I feel like a tree ninja!
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I have the kestral and like it so far. Very well made too. I got it late last season and never really got a chance to hunt with it. I've messed with it on my property though for 1/2 hr or so sessions at a time and see the potential. Instead of using sticks though I'm trying to go lighter and use about 50' of arborist throw line and climbing rope with ascender/descender hardware to get in and out of the tree. Its more strenuous to climb, but easier and more compact to pack vs sticks or strap-on tree steps.
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I love my Kestrel. I’ve never felt as safe in a lock on as I do in my saddle. All components are climbing rated at more weight than I’ll ever exert on them. They’re not for everyone but my hunting setup went from 20# to 11 and none of it hangs off my back anymy
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I have not hours but hundreds of days in my home made saddle. I'm guessing approaching a hundred deer taken out of it. I move no more in a saddle than any stand. Stick with it and you will do fine.
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Really liking my Kestrel and can't wait for the season to get here!
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One hair, you have any pics of your home made tree saddle?
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I bought one after reading the book; ''hunting pressured whitetails''! I was able to practice with it, and yes, I shot a lot of different ways and in many directions, but I couldn't be in it more than an hour because of the pressure the seat put on my hip joints.
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I hunted from a saddle almost all of last year and loved it. Comfort is something that has to be found in it. The pressure on your hips and quad will be determined by how well you adjust it to you. It is no different than a stands seat height or the cushion under your butt. I have found there are more important factors than just the saddle itself, like what does one stand on?
I tried the "ring of steps", the WE stepps(my fave up to this point), and currently have one of the new manufactured platforms on the way. I believe it'll be the best. I did manage to kill my biggest buck ever out of a DIY saddle this past year. I don't think he would have been un-killable had I been hunting in a tree stand, but it would have required a lot more movement had i been in one.
The key to minimizing movement is, just like everything else, trying to predict where the animal is coming from. One major difference is that when a deer does come from that direction, you can (semi) use the tree as concealment. There is no doubt that each style has it's own pro's and con's, but I like the weight advantage of the saddle much more than the weight of a tree stand. My sticks, saddle, and platform all weigh around #13. Most stands now days weight that.
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I bought one after reading the book; ''hunting pressured whitetails''! I was able to practice with it, and yes, I shot a lot of different ways and in many directions, but I couldn't be in it more than an hour because of the pressure the seat put on my hip joints.
What saddle did you own?
I had a Trophy Line and I also experienced hip pinch after a few hours.
But I have to say that my Kestrel far exceeds the comfort of the TL.
I assume the Mantis from Tethrdnation will be every bit as comfy. My buddy has one on order and I'm anxious to see it 1st hand, but they look awesome on the website.
3 things mainly effect hip comfort...tether attachment height, bridge length, and to a degree, your foot rest system. Ring of steps is less comfortable than a mini platform.
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Good comments Daniels! What little time I spent in a mock up saddle convince me that hunting from a “real” designed one would work.
And as you stated everything I’m doing now with Loc on or climber still applies.
Still need to do proper setups. I found that my shooting window extended from the saddle and with proper foot movement I actually could shoot 360.
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Plus I liked the advantage of hiding behind the tree.
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I picked up a kestrel in March and a ernie platform to use. On Long Island a lot of stands get stolen and there are some small woodlots that the saddle will be perfect to sneak into without having a tree stand on my back. I also have a couple of spots that are super thick and carrying a tree stand in is impossible. Wearing the saddle in will be a breeze.
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Here are 2 different bridges i had made for it. Both are 1/4" Amsteel with 10" buries. Also a shackle made from the same amsteel
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Saddles are a good option - just make sure you order from a reliable company....I ordered my saddle from Tethrd on June 24 and still don't have it....New Tribe, who makes the Kestrel, seems to be more reliable in getting the product in the customers hands....
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Saddles are a good option - just make sure you order from a reliable company....I ordered my saddle from Tethrd on June 24 and still don't have it....New Tribe, who makes the Kestrel, seems to be more reliable in getting the product in the customers hands....
New start up company. I think a lot of us were getting impatient with them but their products are top notch. They ran into some production issues...I guess they weren't gonna settle for problem equipment. Cut 'em a break.
I will say that I hope they got the Predator strap problem solved.
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I've done more than 'cut them a break'....Waiting almost 4 months is ridiculous....Theres been one excuse after another - always someone else's fault - never theirs is their story....Really bad way to do business....Will take a long time to build a good reputation in my book...
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Tethrd has some quality products no doubt but the way the whole deal with the preorders went down is just not right. They had guys ordering XL saddles last week and receiving them in a few days....meanwhile guys that backed the startup company from the beginning and preordered have been waiting 4 months? Not cool.... I don't care about the production issues or all the other BS with the sizes being made in batches or different sewing shops...yada yada that I've read, It's just not the right way to do business in my mind.
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Jasper2 - you are exactly right.....Couldn't have said it any better.....
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Update: I received my saddle this week - yes it was a long wait lol ....But, the products tetherd makes are very high quality and very functional - I can say this from first hand experience now lol ...
Someone mentioned hip pinch and comfort with a saddle - I have found that you must try different tether heights, saddle position on your hips and things like that to find what is most comfortable for you. Everyone is different and must find what is comfortable for them - but, once you do that it is an awesome way to hunt.
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I bought a Guidos Web a few years back. No hip pinch and very comfortable. Kind of a cross between a saddle and stand. The owner retired last year and sold the company. The new owner made some nice changes and updates to the stand and I think it will be my next stand purchase. There is a thread about it at saddlehunters.com. Weighs 9.5 lbs. and can shoot 360 using only the top step of a stick ladder.