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I hesitate to ask for self...but had my annual physical and doc figured a way to work in some blood tests... most came back good. PSA jumped from 2.7 last year to 5.55 this year!
Net can be wonderful tool, but apparently there is a lot of unnecessary stuff that is done that can cause later problems...
have to find a good urologist hereabouts, then pursue alternatives. Prayers appreciated to NOT be cancer... :knothead:
UPDATE: so today I Had to go in to find out how to prep for Thursday afternoons Ultrasound and Biopsy... not too bad... Couple of fleets, I can eat breakfast day of procedure and then that afternoon, the deed is done. Then supposedly in a week after that, I know something. Whoopie! :knothead:
12/3 update: Got the dreaded call today...results back but all the nurse would tell me is that it's cancer and I have to wait till 12/13 to learn more... yippie! :knothead: :banghead:
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You got prayers coming!!!!!!
Keep the faith, brother!
God bless,
Rodd
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Doc ,
You are a "Patriarch" and prayers are defiantly going up to our Father in heaven that all will be good and no cancer what so ever brother! :pray:
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Thank you both, Rodd and Keefer. This has been a skeleton in my closet for many years due to BPH and now this...
Finding a reasonable Urologist here is dicey... Some of the better ones are where there are denser population or so I've found... With Medicare, it's hard to know if I can do more then one for a 2nd opinion...
Whatever will be, will be... :o
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Prayers sent for you Doc. Please go and find a urologist. Do not gamble with ANY doctor. Not every doctor got A's in medical school. Do you know what they call a guy who graduated last in class from Escuela de Medicina? Doctor, that's what!!! Go and find a real pro please. Prayers for no cancer and better days for you.
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The problem is Al Dente, that FINDING a top of class guy who isn't just BOOK SMART can be interesting...
NOT TO MENTION, the wait for a good specialist...
Up home I'd have had dozens of choices, here, not so much.. :(
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I fully understand that Doc, but you cannot roll the dice with your health. It is truly unfortunate that a misdiagnosis could have fatal implications. If you are willing to travel to NY, the Long Island area, I can get you a top doc. I would hate to hear that something was missed or not given a full look at. I have been down that road with friends and family before.
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Al...
Bit complicated... There are decent docs up toward the VA line in NE TN, but not all take Medicare. Then there is the issue that most are associated with the big Hospital there full of MRSA and I won't go there...
I'll start out here locally as I turned in 2 names this AM to my doc's office to set a specialist appt, but haven't heard yet...
Travel is a problem, let alone medicare and my supplemental filling in that ornery 20%...Does no good to get a problem solved and create a financial disaster...
But thank you ever so kindly for your kind offer of assistance...
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10 4, just let me know.
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:biglaugh: When it rains it pours!
Al,Got your note alert thru TG and couldn't get into my browser... Was locked out since last night...turned out to be some danged unidentified security update they did and didn't let anyone know how to circumnavigate it...
Without access to the Browser of choice, I Lost all PW's etc and when I referenced my PW book I keep, it said, using MS browser, it wasn't my name... Doh! :knothead:
Anyway, NO word from my Doc's office about securing an appt yet, so tomorrow if I don't hear, I'll call them and find out what's shakin... Need to get it on the books as even here it'll likely be a bit of a delay...
Thanks for prayers and now I'm back (for now)... :jumper: :thumbsup:
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Hi Doc Nock, I am a nurse practitioner that works with urologists in a prostate cancer clinic here in San Antonio. I would not lose too much sleep just yet. PSA is a very labile test and can go up for a multitude of reasons. I would just have it rechecked in 1-2 months and if it is going down then just recheck it again a few months later. If it is still elevated then it likely needs to be biopsied. But there are many treatments now for prostate cancer as it is the most diagnosed cancer in men and also very curable. If you have any worries you can PM me and I will answer them.
Good luck!
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Guapo,
Thanks for your input! I read stuff from the Cancer Institute that said much tadoo about nothing and scares the bejabbers outa lots of folks...
once I see a Urologist, I might check back with you by PM...no need to tie up band width :help:
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Will keep you in my prayers, Doc.
Take care
Gilbert
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Thank you, Gilbert...
Still waiting for my GP's office to get a response about an appt with the Urologist...
Hurry up and wait! :)
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Folks,
I just learned today that the Urologist is closed for public school Fall Break which is this week coming and perhaps last (?)...my preacher dealt with that last year with them...
I'll still be pinging my GP's office to ensure that they are certain that doc (UROLOGIST) got their faxed request for my appointment...always have to WAIT to SEE a specialist, but NEVER waited to get the appointment to wait.. :(
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I was hoping that "no news" was not a bad thing.....
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Well, Rodd, I'm not in charge of much...so this is just one more area I play whatever hand I'm dealt...time will tell...
INFamous El Guapo tells me they "usually" wait a while, then do another PSA to see if it changed and then go from there...
So they're likely not in a big hurry...I learned today going to their website, the Urologist wife is office mgr so if kids are off school, they probably go somewhere as a family... Whatever will be...
I just wish I could push it outa my head a bit more! :knothead:
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Stay strong Doc. Just said a special prayer for you. Hang in there.
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Thanks, AL,
I"m hanging... :)
I did manage to find out today that this specialist first reviews your case history, then gets approval from INSURANCE...THEN makes an appt...odd
The GP's office promised that since the specialist is closed this week while school is out, they'll double check if no word by next Monday NOON. I told them to also point out I can do cancellations since I'm retired...
At least I got some explanation for the delay...
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Having been through the routine, things go slow so don't worry to much. I had my first PSA at age 48 because my older brother was diagnosed with prostate cancer (you have a high likelyhood if a sibling or parent has it). It was elevated at about 5 at that time. Went through years of retests and periodic biopsie testing until at age of 56 and a PSA of 17 before biopsies showed any cancer and the docs decided it had progressed enough to treat. Had surgery in the spring, was back to work in a week, and hunting in the fall with everything pretty much back to normal except still wasn't back to full strength after the 12 week imposed activity restrictions the surgery. Two years later things are completely back to normal.
So hang in there, catching it early is the most important thing, and you are in a position to do that. I am available if you have questions.
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sorry double click
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Having been through the routine, things go slow so don't worry to much. I had my first PSA at age 48 because my older brother was diagnosed with prostate cancer (you have a high likelyhood if a sibling or parent has it). It was elevated at about 5 at that time. Went through years of retests and periodic biopsie testing until at age of 56 and a PSA of 17 before biopsies showed any cancer and the docs decided it had progressed enough to treat. Had surgery in the spring, was back to work in a week, and hunting in the fall with everything pretty much back to normal except still wasn't back to full strength after the 12 week imposed activity restrictions the surgery. Two years later things are completely back to normal.
So hang in there, catching it early is the most important thing, and you are in a position to do that. I am available if you have questions.
Living alone, not married, no heirs--- that recovery time is the real issue... Things and surgeons vary time to time and place to place, but 12 weeks?
Gads! Hard to keep up a house/groceries when or depending what restrictions... or activity...
Time will tell... I've had BPH since my late 30's and taking a Beta Blocker for 20-25 years or in that range; and every Urologist I've seen in various states I lived had differing opinions on this or that... it'll be interested to see what this bird will say whenever I finally get to see him.
Got my attention, for sure, but worry? Well, whatever will be, will be I guess. it's in the Lord's hands so given we're all there all the time, I guess it'll be whatever it'll be... :)
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Dave, I had the same problem around 8 years ago. I was 69 years young at that time. My PSA was at 5.1 when I had a blood test. I went through the testing and was diagnosed with prostate cancer. The Doc. gave me several options that he would recommend as a treatment, Removal, radiation, or seeds. None of them sounded good to me. What I ended up going with was not mentioned. It is what is called Cyberknife Radiation therapy. This consists of the Doc. putting 4 gold markers in your prostate as compass points. A week or so later you have 5 treatments lasting 1 hour that are given every other day. This is done with a robotic machine that zeros in on the gold markers and you do not feel a thing. I had no recovery time and zero after effects and drove myself home. I would see if there is a Prostate cancer support group in your area and try to go to several of their meetings and talk to members who have gone through this. Remember this is a slow growth cancer and more men die with it than from it. Here is a link to some info for you .
https://www.cyberknifeforum.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=2586
Good luck to you,
Bob
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Dave, I had the same problem around 8 years ago. I was 69 years young at that time. My PSA was at 5.1 when I had a blood test. I went through the testing and was diagnosed with prostate cancer. The Doc. gave me several options that he would recommend as a treatment, Removal, radiation, or seeds. None of them sounded good to me. What I ended up going with was not mentioned. It is what is called Cyberknife Radiation therapy. This consists of the Doc. putting 4 gold markers in your prostate as compass points. A week or so later you have 5 treatments lasting 1 hour that are given every other day. This is done with a robotic machine that zeros in on the gold markers and you do not feel a thing. I had no recovery time and zero after effects and drove myself home. I would see if there is a Prostate cancer support group in your area and try to go to several of their meetings and talk to members who have gone through this. Remember this is a slow growth cancer and more men die with it than from it. Here is a link to some info for you .
https://www.cyberknifeforum.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=2586
Good luck to you,
Bob
Thanks, Bob, et all for the support, suggestions and prayers...
With the local urologist closed for school break (?) I have to wait to even GET an appointment until next week...
My Dad's cousin had the 4 gold "nuggets" ( as he called them) implanted... after his psa went to 12, then it doubled to 24 and he got some radiation treatments... His wife didn't share how long that was in between... That sounds like what he must have had done... since it's 4 gold nuggets...
I'm in that onerous "hurry up and wait" situation, while relying on prayers to deal with it...
I do appreciate the outreach you all are providing. There is little in the way of support groups here in NE tn, as that is something of an alien concept among these good folks me thinks, but I'll find out...
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Good luck to you Doc. My PSA had shot up to 17.5 just before I started my treatment. I have my PSA checked yearly now and for the last 4 years it is undetectable.
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Good luck to you Doc. My PSA had shot up to 17.5 just before I started my treatment. I have my PSA checked yearly now and for the last 4 years it is undetectable.
That is very cool for you... Everyone of us is somewhat different. I have older friends who have had radiation, targeted directly on the prostate and then years later had it recur and also had scarring on their bladder with other issues; some suggest that there are some possibilities that preclude other treatments if it recurs, so I hope to be learning a lot more then I ever wanted to know!
Thank you ever so much for your input! I'm indebted to you for that! :pray:
I posted that I made a call to verify I was on the "Call List" for any appt cancellations yesterday and the gal had one for this AM...
I liked the Doc; He was attentive and interested...they drew more blood for a 2nd PSA test and he explained he gets a Free PSA and Bound PSA results on his tests...
Of course, I had an apptfor 11/12 they gave away so now I cant get back to find out which of the above is MY PSA til 11/29... alas, it's underway and I am grateful the process is started!
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To clarify, the recovery time of 12 weeks was just a limit on weight you could lift. I could care for myself 2 days after surgery and was expected to walk as much as I could - multiple miles if I wanted. After a week I could drive lift up to 10 lbs and only had restrictions on the amount of weight I could lift after that.
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To clarify, the recovery time of 12 weeks was just a limit on weight you could lift. I could care for myself 2 days after surgery and was expected to walk as much as I could - multiple miles if I wanted. After a week I could drive lift up to 10 lbs and only had restrictions on the amount of weight I could lift after that.
That's kind of you to clarify...
As I said, each doc I have seen around the country seems to have their own belief on how to recuperate post - op...so till I find out I NEED surgery, I will file all these things...
10# isn't much and not sure that would still make a difference, but we'll just cross that bridge once I know more, but thank you so very much!
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Doc,
Thanks for the update and got your email brother . Prayers continue here for you. :pray:
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Doc,
Thanks for the update and got your email brother . Prayers continue here for you. :pray:
Thanks, Keefer! Most appreciated...
Hurry up and wait... :)
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We're still hanging with you on your issues... we'll keep praying! Hope you find out something soon!
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mid November ain't "soon" in my book, Rodd, but MZ season opens on the 2nd of Nov so life goes on---until it doesn't!
This location is an interesting place...I never waited 3 weeks to get an appointment to wait another month to see a specialist...I think someone burped along the way...
Most I hear tell, have to wait to have another PSA done anyway, so whatever will be, will be
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Doc, you are in my thoughts and prayers.
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No incredible news to share, but I wanted to thank our resident prayer warriors for keeping me in prayer.
My Appt was to be Nov 12 but for some reason today, I called to verify I was on their cancellation call list and the gal found an opening for tomorrow AM...
Hopefully, this is the beginning of moving forward...
Thank you all again for your prayers and I continue to covet your prayers!
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Way to go with due diligence Doc. Good luck tomorrow.
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Thanks, Gents...I doubt it was much to do with "luck" on the call, As my mom used to call such things a "god incidence vs. a coincidence"... I just followed a nudge.
As for luck with the outcome... Sigh..I guess that is totally in God's hands as whatever will be will be, but prayers are always appreciated!
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Tried to edit my original post but I was on the wrong one so try it again... :knothead:
Saw Doc this AM; seems sensitive and nice;
He did another PSA blood test but claims there are FREE and BOUND PSA markers and he gets both and the FREE are usually more associated with BPH (which I've had a good long time) and the "bound" are associated with cancer...
Now to wait for a 2nd appt (end of NOV) to find out which is what...they'll do a Ultra sound of the prostate to measure it then too...
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More hurry up and wait...... at least you're one more step along in the knowing.
Still sending prayers up for you!
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Prayers up for a happy outcome, Doc! :pray:
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Thank you Rodd & Kirk,
Yea, more hurry up and wait and since it's in God's hands, time will tell... :dunno:
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Got you on the list, Dave. Stay Strong!!
Regards,
Jed
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Hey doc, sorry about being late to the party, you're in my prayers Sir.
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I keep trying to tell myself, "Whatever will be, will be!"
Be another month till I find out about this different type PSA that measures Free and Bound PSA markers...
Se le vie... God's will, not mine, but surely do appreciate the ongoing prayers for healing... :saywhat:
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So...the beat goes on...and on, and on... :)
I posted I called to see if on cancellation list and got an appt for this past Tuesday...so, TODAY, Friday I get a call very early saying my PSA was back....gal proceeded to tell me it went UP to 7.X (don't recall exact as it was early and I was doing my stretching on floor);
She didn't know much and was sorta worthless; She did say I could opt to get biopsy as the incidence for cancer given the test was 66%!
She was again pretty worthless to share information; she never even heard of the FREE vs. bound PSA reading! :(
I opted to take a few minutes and think on the situation and called the nurse for to see if I could get the ultrasound AND the Biopsy on 11/29, my next appt...
I found I could get both done on 11/29; Also found out I don't need a driver, which is good. Go in on that Monday to see a video and get "clean out" instructions etc, then back Thursday for biopsy...
Time will tell, but at least we're moving ahead... I inquired that if it was cancer and it's takin a month to get next appointment, how's that work...I was assured that I'd get quick next appt and the wait was cause I was new... pfffttt...Se le vie...In God's hands! :pray:
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Keeping you in my prayers Doc. Try to stay positive and move forward with it. I know all to well how frustrating it can be when dealing with office staff, almost robotic, reading from a script, with no deviation when you raise a question. Praying that all will work out for you when you finally get real answers.
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Keeping you in my prayers nightly, doc.
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Thanks, Guys! :) I'm trying to be Cavalier about it all, but in truth, it colors one's view a touch... :knothead: alas, it's outa my hands... Whatever will be will be and all the fretting in the world won't change it but you folk's prayers might...so I thank you one and all for all your prayers!!! MUCH, MUCH appreciated!
I read recently about that old wisdom, that God ALWAYS answers prayers; but sometimes His answer is NO, or "take time to GROW, or, "GO SLOW" and sometimes indeed, He does reply GO!
I'll know more early December as the biopsy is 11/29 and it takes 4-5 days for results... then some decisions based on if or if not; how fast growing if its a positive, then a myriad of choices as to treatment (again, based on whether its fast or slow growing type)
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Continued prayers doc!
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Continued prayers Doc Nock.
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Not much to do, till Dec and endure the biopsy!
But, thank you for the continued prayers... be something if it proved to not be cancer! :)
I'd owe that to God and you prayer warriors! :pray:
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POsted this on the original as an update but since so many of you have posted and PM'd me, I wanted to do my due diligence and keep all you grand folks posted on progress...
UPDATE: so today I Had to go in to find out how to prep for this Thursday 11/29 afternoon's Ultrasound and Biopsy... not too bad... Couple of fleets, I can eat breakfast day of procedure and then that afternoon, the deed is done. Then supposedly in a week after that, I know something. Whoopee! :knothead:
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Keeping you in my prayers, praying for a good outcome. :pray:
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Continued prayers.
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Continued prayers for you. Stay strong, and stay positive.
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Thanks, Warriors!
:) I"m positive that whatever will be, will be-- and it's not in my hands... :)
The pre antibiotic is pretty scary stuff, but I've had my share or problems with medications prolly due to my other allergies, but we'll see... What we will see...
Should know something within a week or 2 after Thursday...
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Thanks, Keef!
Survived the procedure but dang I'm sore! I heard them click that needle that shoots up in there like 24 times but he said 6 to a side so I guess a sphere has 4 sides...
Crikey...
Should get results by mid week next
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Thanks, RON...
Got the CALL today, but not what I hoped to hear...it's prostate cancer but the one nurse told me last week at Biopsy if Doc calls its cancer, if woman calls, it's not but I got call from gal nurse and she only would say it's cancer, not if aggressive or slow growing, nothing! Have to wait for Doc Appt on 13th... :(
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Dave, Haven't kept up with TG for many years due to various things - including ongoing health issues, but I will remember to keep you in prayer and ask the Lord to give you daily grace, strength, and peace in whatever may be around the corner for you.
My middle child had stage 3 non hodgkin's lymphoma a year ago and decided to only go through half the recommended treatments. Scans said he's cancer free 7 months ago, but we are very unsure of what his future health will be as he's only 24 and very susceptible to various cancers. Praying the Lord uses it to wake him up. :)
All the best to you! Swanny
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Dave I am so sorry to hear this. I just can't believe the Doctor did not call you. I think sometimes they just do this so often that they forget to have compassion and don't realize the consequences to the patient. I would be putting a call into the Doctor. Prayers are still up for you. Never ceasing.
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I'm with lowrider..... Doc shoulda called with news like that..
Maybe if she called, it's the lesser.....
Still praying, brother.
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Swanny, sorry to hear you've had struggles... never got to meet any of your family and you were such a young man when last I saw you, you were struggling with Lyme as I recall...
I still have that console you built and use it daily...
Lowrider, Doc's are so protected, you never get to talk to them; I don't want to get the male nurse in dutch by reporting HE said if it was cancer I'd get a call from the Doc, but instead I got the call from the female nurse who is very nice, but wasn't allowed to say jack...now to just wait and pray..
Thanks to all for the prayers.. One devoitonal I read said that all prayers are answered, but some are just NO, or GO SLOW, some are answers to GROW in faith more and some are YES...
I guess this one was one of the other options... :o :saywhat:
I don't recall being asked to "vote" on this so I have to accept whatever is to be... not easy not knowing, but I will try to stay focused...
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Keep the faith Doc..I know you will. What ever happens, you are in for a bit of a ride. The good thing is that it IS very treatable and after the ordeals, you will be fine...Praying every day. God Bless
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Doc,
I am very sorry to hear that you have prostate cancer But I'll be praying along side all the prayer warriors that our Father will hear our prayers and cure you of this.
Keep strong in your Faith with Christ Jesus and we will keep you in our daily prayers here as well.
God Bless and be with you as you go through this valley brother!
Your brother in Christ,
Keefer's <')))><
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So sorry to hear the diagnosis. I would definitely call back, and ask that the doctor return your call, that you have many questions and would like a little clarification before your appointment on the 13th. That's a lot of time to dwell upon a topic as sensitive as this, before getting a few answers.
I will continue to pray for you, for strength, health, and resolution.
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More prayers sent up for you.
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Keefer,
That's all there is left to do... wait and pray and hope...:)
Albert,
This Doc didn't avoid calling me for no reason... and since he's the ONLY game in this area unless I drive 90 minutes in another direction, I'd rather not tick him off, since he might be the one to operate or do some procedure on a sensitive area...
Waiting is not my strength, so perhaps it's also the Good Lord's way to teach me something missing in my character...AND, it isn't like back up NE where there were many options to docs/specialists living here in more remote areas
Lunatic11, thank you, too. Prayers are all that I got right now and they are much appreciated... :)
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Doc, you are the top of my list right now. Worrying over an extended period of time brings about its' own issues. I pray that you do not dwell upon that phonecall. Also, I pray that your doctor has more compassion for his patients than what you may think. If he gets annoyed when patients want clarification, he should re-read and retake his Hippocratic Oath. "I will abstain from all intentional wrong-doing and harm." I would not be too happy if I ever feared my doctor. I totally understand your situation, and pray for you my brother.
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Good memory, Dave, it was Lyme and Babesia in the late nineties. Went for a wild ride through fourteen different docs with the first eleven being pretty useless. I have very low level of trust in mainstream docs unless they DON'T play the health insurance games and require you to pay out of pocket - then I'll listen attentively to them. :)
One thing you might want to research and avoid are the EMF pulses from things like cell phones, wi fi, smart meters, cell towers, power lines, etc. It will help your body, on a cellular level, to be able to fight off any cancer. I went through a period of several months of insomnia - only getting one or two hrs at most a night, some spells no sleep. Wasn't stressed, blood work was fine - ended up I put the wi fi on a timer that shut it off at night, got my phone out of my room and put it on airplane mode at night. Within several days I was back to sleeping 6 hrs every night. Those frequencies can interrupt your brains own electrical signals. Got rid of wi fi altogether and got my oldest to hardwire all the computers.
Good info here - this lady did her homework: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6fA35Ved-Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6fA35Ved-Y)
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Oops, good song, but inserted the wrong link above. Try this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9bdU_uw2Dc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9bdU_uw2Dc)
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Dave,
Got you on the list. Stay strong.
Jed
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Doc, Sorry to hear about your diagnosis, you are in my prayers nightly.
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Thank you, ALL!
I"m the sort who can cope with knowing but NOT KNOWING drives me batty...but as the saying goes, "That ain't really a DRIVE; but more like a short putt!" :saywhat: :)
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Sorry to hear this, Doc. Rest assured, my prayers are with you and I'm cranking up the prayer machine to 11, both for healing, and also for wisdom for you in the turmoil of chices and decisions coming your way. Stand strong, brother. We're with you. :pray:
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Been thinking bout you and keeping you in my prayers buddy.
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Doc,
Just thinking and praying for you this morning Brother! You are on my daily prayer list my friend.
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Thanks, Shag; Thanks, Keith!
Tomorrow "around" 4 pm I learn "something".... Time will tell... I do so appreciate prayer, both for the outcome and for me to keep my perspective and show Grace!
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You are a man of strong faith, so I know you will face this issue with full confidence in the Lord's plan for you. We will still keep you in our prayers.
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Doc, you've lifted up so many of us in the Gang with your encouragement and prayers, it is only fitting for all of us to lift you up to our Lord, the Great Physician. He's got this one, Doc. He's got you in His hands and He's gonna carry you through this situation!
I know you must feel like you just have to do more to fix the problem, because you can't just sit back and do nothing - it's not your nature. You've been taking the right steps, in the right direction, with His wisdom. And the Lord knows we don't always get the answers we want, when we want them, but His timing is perfect and His path is straighter than our own.
Hang in there Doc, we're praying for you.
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Doc,
You may have or never heard this song by John Waller but it was a song my wife and I repeatedly listened to while we were adopting our second child .When you wrote that you were "waiting" I felt like God gave me a "God Wink" and said Go find that song and share it with Doc so the "Great I Am" hears his and our prayers.Hang in there Doc "Help" is on the way. Also this is one the best movies I ever watched and tells of many a battle we all face daily.Hope you really listen close to the song and just close your eyes if the scenes distract you from the song it self.God Bless... https://youtu.be/NJNVVxXapgY
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Coilspring & keefer, those are wonderful, warm and caring thoughts provided by you both! Thank you..
Thanks to all who have lifted me up... and provided encouragement and hope. I have some strong feelings about why this has been put on me and I hope I've learned a few things, but God's lessons may not be over yet and I ask for his strength to use this to His Glory... EZ words to type; harder ones to live... :pray:
I'll start a new thread tonite when I get home and know something
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Doc as always I am praying for you as you go to see your Doctor today. Isaiah 41 verse 13 always helps me.