Post by: Terry Green on May 27, 2008, 10:39:00 PM
I'd also like to add that I center punched the shoulder MUCLE...not the shoulder bone. The lungs were behind the shield where I hit and not bone. This shows just how far forward you can shoot a hog and go straight to the vitals boneless....if you got enough bow or the right broadhead to get through the shield.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/paraboar10.jpg)
Here's a pic of the shield and you can plainly see it and all its battle scars from taking jabs from other boar's tusks...
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/paraboar6.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/paraboarbattlescars2.jpg)
Not all hogs have shields this thick(2 inches), but they are noticeable when they get this big, so this might be good to know before you shoot if you see some saddle bags hanging off of one. Turn your volume up....
CLICK HERE FOR THICK SHIELD AND SHOT PLACEMENT VIDEO (http://www.tradgang.com/videos/tg/hog1.mp4)
This is another hog I shot with Ray Hammond a couple of years ago...
This might be a great opportunity to show some shot placement photos. Ray and I discussed this on the way back, and by showing these pics someone may save themselves some grief. It shows just how forward you can shoot a hog because of the front end bone structure.
Remember, this 300#er only ran 30 yards, and this shot did get both lungs and the heart......Note the forward exit wound and this was from a 60# longbow and a Zwickey Delta 4 blade.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/sc20.jpg)
This pic reveals that 'Bride of Horse Tail' was slightly quartering away. It also shows how far forward it exited without hitting any bone. This picture however is deceiving on how low on the body the shot placement was.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/hogshotplacement2.jpg)
This pic shows the true elevation on the body...and makes the shot 'low and tight'.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/hogshotplacement3.jpg)
Here is the exit wound from a Delta 4 blade. You can see how far forward the exit was and no bone was contacted.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/hogshotplacement.jpg)
Results of the Shot....(Thanks to Ray Hammond for pulling this out of the gut bucket for me, I was too busy trying to get 3 hogs skint and quartered up that day)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/bhth1.jpg)
Post by: Ray Hammond on May 27, 2008, 11:31:00 PM
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e322/rayhammond123/feralhog1.jpg)
Post by: deadpool on May 27, 2008, 11:35:00 PM
Post by: pseman on May 28, 2008, 12:16:00 AM
Post by: pdk25 on May 28, 2008, 12:18:00 AM
I didn't know that shield was that hard! I guess I better step it up if I want to get through that on a big hog.
Post by: Bjorn on May 28, 2008, 02:54:00 AM
Post by: Terry Green on May 28, 2008, 08:44:00 AM
(http://www.bowsite2.com/aceshopping/images/ITEMS/Super-Express-175.jpg)
Yep, the guy had petrified catcher's mitts as saddle bags.
Here's another Heart Shot - Big Shielded Hog I passed through with a Zwickey 4 Blade head...
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/Martyboar1.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/Martyboar3.jpg)
This was the entrance....take in mind the boar's front leg is forward...
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/martyboarshotcloseup.jpg)
It exited the off arm pit and passed through here on the way out...
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/Martyboar5.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/Martyboar6.jpg)
Post by: TradPaul on May 28, 2008, 09:04:00 AM
Paul.
Post by: frassettor on May 28, 2008, 09:09:00 AM
Post by: Terry Green on May 28, 2008, 09:55:00 AM
That Ace is not really correct in image....its a bit longer more spear point shaped. That pic came off their website...I'll try and get a better one.
HOGS: These shot placement pics are based on broadside animals, so take into consideration if the animal is quartering where to aim to cross through the middle of the animals vitals with the greatest margin of error.
Hog vitals are a bit more tricky as they are angled up a bit as they go back...the same double lung shot on a deer could result in a gut shot on a hog.
Low and tight is good...low and back aint...the same shot low and back(yellow circle) would double lung if it was high and back(pink circle).....so again I aim for the middle right over the elbow for the greatest margin of error on a broadside shot (orange circle).
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/feralhog1a.JPG)
I quit shooting hogs 'low and tight' after I lost one due to it being 3 inches back. I now aim as I suggested above(orange circle).
Same low and back on the deer would kill it(orange circle)....
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/deer-anatomytg2a.JPG)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/Guru39/anatomy%20pix/heartlunghog.jpg)
Again...Low and tight is good...low and back aint...the same shot low and back(yellow circle) would double lung if it was high and back(orange circle).....so again I aim for the middle right over the elbow for the greatest margin of error on a broadside shot.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/heartlunghoga.jpg)
In this pic....the PINK circle gives you the greatest margin of error.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/heartlunghogb.jpg)
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Shield Hardness and Location VIDEO - Click Here (http://www.tradgang.com/videos/tg/hog1.mp4)
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I've seen this posted for years on web sites...
"I like to shoot them quartering away to avoid the shield".
I've tried to explain that this is not the case on a shielded boar....So at Solana I got pics of Michael's boar to add to the shot placements thread sticked at the top, so they can do the talking.
This is a pic of a shielded boar and the location of just how far back the shield goes and that you are not going to avoid the shield by shooting quartering away unless you shoot behind the rib cage, and that is a dicey shot.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/michshield2.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/michshield1.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/michshield3.jpg)
Also, if you do shoot quartering away, your are actually increasing the thickness of the shield you have to pass through because you are making the shield thicker by the quartering away angle.
I am not condemning a quartering away shot with this post, I've shot plenty that way. I'm just making folks aware that you are not going to avoid the shield.....unless of course you shoot that little soft pocked in the clip posted on the shot placement thread...and that soft spot can be shot broadside as well.
Post by: rastaman on May 28, 2008, 10:15:00 AM
That was awesome!
Randy
Post by: BUFF on May 28, 2008, 03:02:00 PM
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Post by: Stone Knife on May 28, 2008, 08:31:00 PM
Post by: bowhunterfrompast on May 28, 2008, 09:33:00 PM
Post by: badcompany on May 28, 2008, 09:45:00 PM
Post by: Shaun on May 28, 2008, 09:56:00 PM
Its hard to make oneself shoot right above the hog's leg on the body, seems like the bone will be there, but its not. The leg bone elbows forward and then back at the scapula. As Nicki Roth told me in Florida, "Everything behind the head is guts." Shoot right through that above the leg point or to pass between the legs on a quartering away shot. The heart lays right on the bottom of the chest you can't shoot too low.
Stone Knife, only the larger boars have a shield that heavy, but younger ones will have some thickening.
Post by: Boar Hog on May 28, 2008, 11:00:00 PM
Post by: Widowbender on May 28, 2008, 11:08:00 PM
Cool Video, Terry. Thanks for sharing!!
David
Post by: madness522 on May 29, 2008, 06:48:00 AM
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Post by: Terry Green on May 29, 2008, 09:55:00 AM
Seen shields before, but this one was VERY visible from over 50 yards way on the hoof.
Post by: Terry Green on May 31, 2008, 09:46:00 AM
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/ace1.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/ace2.jpg)
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Post by: hawgslayer on May 31, 2008, 05:08:00 PM
Thanks for sharing. Very informative..........
:clapper: :clapper: :clapper:
Hawgslayer
Post by: Terry Green on April 22, 2009, 08:49:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on April 22, 2009, 09:41:00 PM
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Post by: Bonebuster on April 23, 2009, 07:22:00 PM
Great thread.
Post by: Guru on April 23, 2009, 07:31:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/Guru39/anatomy%20pix/heartlunghog.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/Guru39/anatomy%20pix/cavityhog.jpg)
You can really see how low the spine runs thru the shoulder area. Also how low, forward, and small the lungs are.
Post by: bill langer on April 23, 2009, 11:37:00 PM
Post by: BlacktailBowhunter on April 24, 2009, 01:06:00 AM
Paul
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Post by: aussiebowhunter on April 24, 2010, 10:05:00 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c87/aussiehunter1964/IMGA0159.jpg)
and he s a pic of thickness of their fighting pad.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c87/aussiehunter1964/PA200060.jpg)
good hunting
pat
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Post by: Tajue17 on January 11, 2012, 11:51:00 AM
when I went to Rays one fo the first things he taught me was the correct place to hit a boar and why,, later on I noticed he was a big fan of Grizzlys and I should of asked him this same question where I know he's got alot of boars.
Post by: Terry Green on January 16, 2012, 03:22:00 PM
Tajue17....I'm a fan of the Aboyers because of the way they are built not for the single bevel. I've only killed one hog with a single bevel, and it was an Abowyer Large BoneBuster. It was a sow so no shield was involved....was a nice hog though....bout 150#s.
All of the shields I've passed through have been with 4 blades and couple with WWs But the biggest were passed through with 4 blade Zwickeys.
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I was amazed at how dense the shield was on that little pig.
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I Know this has been said before But thank you for posting this information, it has helped me.
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Thanx Terry well documented and explained!!!!
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I'm practicing with a #45 pound bow, but I have a 50# Super Kodiak that I plan on hunting with.
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This shot was on a little 100# boar. Shooting down hill and a slight 1/4 away. Got the top and back of the lungs. Arrow went all the way through and was hanging by the fletch. He only went about 40 yd.
Entrance
Exit
Spruce arrow with 175g Grizzly Instinct 3 bld, about 625g.
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Post by: Mint on December 29, 2022, 11:40:17 AM
What I found was on quartering away hogs to aim for the arrow to come out between the legs as opposed the the off shoulder since everything is so far forward.
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Post by: Terry Green on May 07, 2024, 03:41:59 PM
Post by: Wudstix on May 07, 2024, 07:46:35 PM
What I found was on quartering away hogs to aim for the arrow to come out between the legs as opposed the the off shoulder since everything is so far forward.
This is a pretty good idea. Potential for a good hole up front to add in blood lose.
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Post by: Terry Green on May 24, 2024, 05:49:15 PM
Scroll down to the business card and the tape measure....
https://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=181134.msg3028348;topicseen#msg3028348
Then scroll further down for this info....
Post by: Terry Green on July 04, 2024, 12:24:45 PM
Post by: Terry Green on August 09, 2024, 10:53:08 AM
So here is what you get on a quartering away shot. You DOUBLE the thickness of the shield.
"""Yes Kat Man,,,, just getting to that.... this is what else those geniuses don't know....
Lets take a shield, 2 inches for arguments sake at Broadside...."""
Now lets quarter it away corner to corner.....