Post by: Overspined on October 04, 2019, 09:29:23 AM
I got the LWCG stand and sticks, thought I’d post what I’m thinking so far...
The design of the actual stand, seat, and all is awesome, even in packability. All the modifications and “complaints” I used to have, they’ve seemed to have fixed them...very cool...I sewed “saddle bags” for my assault for transport, no longer necessary, had to bind it to be quiet, now its quiet by design. I had fashioned a belt and strap carry system, and now it’s designed for them and you can get them with it. Allows for carrying pack and clothing without shoulder strain.
It’s really light, thin, and quiet, and the color is less noticeable. Seat adjustment is better, easier as well, as is the platform adjustment. Most screws can’t generally back out because the nuts are locked in place by design..
I always only used one strap for attachment, LWCG comes with 2, and you can use with one or two.
Sticks are well made, really nice to use, and fold flat..
Here’s my issue at this point, the grommets do hold the sticks, but not all that well, I still need to bungee everything down so I don’t lose anything during transport. Also, I’m finding that I have to remove the straps from the lower stand strapping point, as well as all of the sticks in order to keep everything quiet, and allow it all to nest together properly. In the videos it all looks great, but in reality, if you keep the straps and buckles on the sticks, it just won’t work. This means I have to figure out where to keep those straps to pull out and use as I’m climbing..so maybe a cargo pocket or something I haven’t decided, although this will likely be the case.
They got rid of the versa button, so the straps go on and off easy enough, but it’s just another step.
Also, I’ve played with the “one trip up” theory. I think I have it figured out. The first two sticks are removed and basically the first is placed on the tree from the ground, the second is carried up to place next, easy enough. I then leave one stick stuck in the grommet on the left and one on the right of the stand. I reach back pull the third stick, attach the belt to it, and up it goes. Same for the next one. Just have to be careful not to nock one off during this process or off it will go to the ground..
Once up, stand comes off, hang the top strap as always, and add second strap if the tree requires it or you feel better about it. Good to go...so one trip up does work, IDK if the sticks are lighter than the original ones, but I do like the design better.
Post by: Roger Norris on October 04, 2019, 11:25:59 AM
Very cool post.
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Post by: Gdpolk on October 04, 2019, 09:32:18 PM
I love that rig and If I could afford I’d buy but $895 for stand and sticks ain’t gonna happen anytime soon. I have a lone wolf alpha and 3 sticks and also a lone wolf hand climber that i really like for now
I'm in the same boat. I'd love to upgrade but just cannot responsibly drop $900 on a single stand/sticks to replace my existing Lone Wolf setup. I've thought about trying to do a knife trade on a setup but in all honesty I doubt I will. Until I am in a position where I am 100% debt free, 100% funded for retirement, AND can still drop $900 cash on it without it dipping into monthly bills/funds I just don't see that kind of coin on a stand at my income level.
All that said, the new LWCG setup looks to truly be a superb design and looks to be made to the highest quality standards of ANY stand on the market in the world. I have no doubts that it is indeed an amazing setup for mobile tree stand hunters. It's just out of my price league.
Post by: carbonflyr on October 04, 2019, 10:27:12 PM
Post by: Sawpilot 75 on October 05, 2019, 05:34:49 AM
Post by: Overspined on October 05, 2019, 07:11:32 AM
Which lender did you use to finance that system? Might also be helpful for some...
A simple home equity loan of course!
Yeah it’s not cheap, I’m going to sell my other stands off. I also have a saddle I’ll use with sticks. If I feel safer and lighter and better about what I’m doing, I’ll pay for it. Going up and down a tree multiple times is an inherent hazard, and I’m a big fan of the original sticks but they are not as well designed as the new ones for feet sliding off and these set a little farther from the tree in a good way. I think saying this stand will get me bigger bucks is actually the wrong idea entirely. I don’t trophy hunt.
Safety, quietness, weight, and usefulness of design are things I’m more worried about than deer or deer size. Like I said before, I’ll pay for that. In fact I’d pay more for that (safety) than my bow happily. Even a crooked bow will fling a well tuned arrow.
Look I’m not arguing everyone pay up and get the stand, just like I don’t shoot a silvertip bow for $4k. We all make our decisions where to sink some $ and I loved the new design so I jumped at it!
Post by: Sawpilot 75 on October 05, 2019, 09:27:05 AM
Which lender did you use to finance that system? Might also be helpful for some...
A simple home equity loan of course!
Yeah it’s not cheap, I’m going to sell my other stands off. I also have a saddle I’ll use with sticks. If I feel safer and lighter and better about what I’m doing, I’ll pay for it. Going up and down a tree multiple times is an inherent hazard, and I’m a big fan of the original sticks but they are not as well designed as the new ones for feet sliding off and these set a little farther from the tree in a good way. I think saying this stand will get me bigger bucks is actually the wrong idea entirely. I don’t trophy hunt.
Safety, quietness, weight, and usefulness of design are things I’m more worried about than deer or deer size. Like I said before, I’ll pay for that. In fact I’d pay more for that (safety) than my bow happily. Even a crooked bow will fling a well tuned arrow.
Look I’m not arguing everyone pay up and get the stand, just like I don’t shoot a silvertip bow for $4k. We all make our decisions where to sink some $ and I loved the new design so I jumped at it!
Very good point!
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Post by: Gdpolk on October 05, 2019, 09:49:06 AM
Which lender did you use to finance that system? Might also be helpful for some...
A simple home equity loan of course!
Yeah it’s not cheap, I’m going to sell my other stands off. I also have a saddle I’ll use with sticks. If I feel safer and lighter and better about what I’m doing, I’ll pay for it. Going up and down a tree multiple times is an inherent hazard, and I’m a big fan of the original sticks but they are not as well designed as the new ones for feet sliding off and these set a little farther from the tree in a good way. I think saying this stand will get me bigger bucks is actually the wrong idea entirely. I don’t trophy hunt.
Safety, quietness, weight, and usefulness of design are things I’m more worried about than deer or deer size. Like I said before, I’ll pay for that. In fact I’d pay more for that (safety) than my bow happily. Even a crooked bow will fling a well tuned arrow.
Look I’m not arguing everyone pay up and get the stand, just like I don’t shoot a silvertip bow for $4k. We all make our decisions where to sink some $ and I loved the new design so I jumped at it!
I can agree with that. No judgement here. It’s just out of my budget to replace an original Lone Wolf that does most of what the new one will already. The new one does though look like the absolute best stand ever made for a mobile bowhunter, bar none. And I imagine a lot of that cost is machining costs. When I have a knife water jet cut I typically pay $7-10 for quality waterjet costs on a small fixed blade. You pay for TIME when cutting which comes down to materials cut rate x thickness x linear inches of cutting. I have no doubts that cutting this stand out of a solid sheet costs a bunch of money for that one step in the process alone. Quality costs. Innovation costs. Testing/certifying for small companies costs. I can easily see why it runs what it does from a small scale manufacturing standpoint. It’s an awesome design and isn’t really made to be cheap. It’s made to be amazing in use with costs not really being a driving decision making thing in regards to design.
Post by: Overspined on October 05, 2019, 05:27:44 PM
Post by: Doug_K on October 05, 2019, 06:05:45 PM
And I imagine a lot of that cost is machining costs. When I have a knife water jet cut I typically pay $7-10 for quality waterjet costs on a small fixed blade. You pay for TIME when cutting which comes down to materials cut rate x thickness x linear inches of cutting. I have no doubts that cutting this stand out of a solid sheet costs a bunch of money for that one step in the process alone. Quality costs. Innovation costs. Testing/certifying for small companies costs. I can easily see why it runs what it does from a small scale manufacturing standpoint.
Not to mention royalties for patent infringement on multiple fronts if the stories are true. I appreciate Andraes innovation on the original LW stands, but his business ethics these days would make it hard for me to justify the products at a quarter of the cost. Besides which, after playing around with a saddle all year, hang ons are pretty much obsolete to me.
Post by: Overspined on October 05, 2019, 07:06:44 PM
Post by: Doug_K on October 05, 2019, 07:24:44 PM
I probably should’ve made this a “no whining” thread about here say and money, when under someone’s name is a list of 5 custom bows..this was meant to be informative.Who's whining? Informing is what my response was all about. Believe it or not there seems to be alot of folks who think "Lone Wolf Custom Gear" is affiliated with the "Lone Wolf" products they enjoy. Shocking, I know.
Also, for the record, my saddle setup cost me more than LWCG's package would, and the W&W "custom" that's my go-to is a production model...
Really not seeking to add to the drama, only encouraging those who are interested in the products to dig a little deeper into the subject before meeting with their banker.
Post by: Overspined on October 05, 2019, 07:30:31 PM
I probably should’ve made this a “no whining” thread about here say and money, when under someone’s name is a list of 5 custom bows..this was meant to be informative.Who's whining? Informing is what my response was all about. Believe it or not there seems to be alot of folks who think "Lone Wolf Custom Gear" is affiliated with the "Lone Wolf" products they enjoy. Shocking, I know.
Also, for the record, my saddle setup cost me more than LWCG's package would, and the W&W "custom" that's my go-to is a production model...
Really not seeking to add to the drama, only encouraging those who are interested in the products to dig a little deeper into the subject before meeting with their banker.
Just giving ya crap, Doug. There’s definitely more than one way to skin a cat. I’ve played with a couple saddles over the years. I have some trouble with bows out of them, but they’re super comfy. Funny you say that, though. I called lone wolf thinking same company..it’s not, as you said.
Post by: Doug_K on October 05, 2019, 07:39:18 PM
Post by: Overspined on October 05, 2019, 07:43:29 PM
It's understandable. Like most others I imagine, I thought the same when I first read that "lone wolf custom gear" was coming out with new products..
I thought so too, but I am pretty happy with the product, I didn’t know they weren’t one in the same until I bought it. But I don’t care that much it’s the same creators and what happens in the corporate world behind treestand manufacturers isn’t really of interest to me. I’ve had crap stands fail and hurt friends. Im not going to invest in crap.
Post by: Overspined on October 11, 2019, 10:54:16 AM
Can you post pics of your system? I started on the LW "sneak in hang/hunt" concept last year, it really works. I am still tweaking my method.
Very cool post.
I have since figured out how to wrap the straps on the sticks and now I have the system figured out. It’s awesome, the sticks are a giant improvement over the old ones. Better to climb, safer, they attach to the tree nicer and more sturdy. Also farther out from the tree, you’d have to do it to see what I mean but they are a great improvement. I’d trade out my sticks even without the stand if I didn’t go all in.
I can’t seem to post photos on this site. It won’t accept them probably because of the size with the iPhone. Idk it’s been a real PIA.
I can post the process if I can figure out the pic thing
Post by: Roger Norris on October 11, 2019, 11:31:57 AM
I took apart the sticks and coated everything with the adhesive micro-fiber for silence. It is the absolute most productive method of treestand hunting I have ever done. Keeping in mind that I just started it last year, and I don't do it every time I hunt (I think I have used it 11 times)...I am 100% on seeing legal bucks using that system.
This new version looks awesome....I probably won't buy it because what I am using now is new and works great.
That said....the "too much $$" comments on here, thrown out in a condescending manner....crack me up. Guys that spend thousands on bows that mostly hang on a wall, cracking on a guy who has invested his personal money in an excellent system that is used to ACTUALLY HUNT.....too funny.
Post by: pavan on October 11, 2019, 08:06:17 PM
Post by: Overspined on October 11, 2019, 11:25:28 PM
I started using the Lone Wolf "Hang-n-Hunt" system last year, so I'm not using the brand new version.
I took apart the sticks and coated everything with the adhesive micro-fiber for silence. It is the absolute most productive method of treestand hunting I have ever done. Keeping in mind that I just started it last year, and I don't do it every time I hunt (I think I have used it 11 times)...I am 100% on seeing legal bucks using that system.
This new version looks awesome....I probably won't buy it because what I am using now is new and works great.
That said....the "too much $$" comments on here, thrown out in a condescending manner....crack me up. Guys that spend thousands on bows that mostly hang on a wall, cracking on a guy who has invested his personal money in an excellent system that is used to ACTUALLY HUNT.....too funny.
I sat last night in it and had 6 deer walk by and I hit a giant coyote just below the rib cage through the skin. Biggest coyote I’ve ever seen, not good. But yeah I’ll say I’ve used the run and gun technique with lone wolf stand since about 2003 and I’ve absolutely never looked back. Even on my land and a buddy’s, as well as most of my sits in Illinois and Indiana I rarely sit the “norm” stands because I chase the wind and the deer. So I’m all about the element of surprise and WIND. you just can’t count on the same winds in the mid-west. So I’m doing this, I’m not a trophy hunter but I’ve killed lots of deer, and plenty of trophy’s. This system has allowed me to hunt the wind, the spot, and the activity I look for. It also shows you quickly what makes a good tree/spot once you mess up a few sits. I’ve opted for ground ambush where it’s just not going to happen from a tree. Gotta be versatile. Just this afternoon I set 4 stands. They’re probably pretty good spots, but in reality I’ll probably opt to sit them only rarely so they’re not overhunted, but also because the wind may just be wrong... wind, then location is everything to me
Post by: Mike VanBuren on October 12, 2019, 08:47:13 AM
I don't really like to mess with all of those straps while packing and unpacking. I use the one to loop around the top of the stand to keep the seat post locked down to the platform as shown on their website. I find it easier to use flat adjustable bungee straps to keep the sticks and Bison Gear pack to the stand.
I use a parachute cord loop on each side of my safety harness belt to carry two of the sticks. I keep the stick straps in my pockets and put them on when I hang each stick. The sticks will stack on the stand easier while packing without the straps. I don't have to mess with wrapping each strap on the sticks, just put them back in my pockets. I'd like to find a pouch to attach to my safety harness to store the straps.
Post by: Overspined on October 12, 2019, 06:41:16 PM
And my old rig
https://imgur.com/a/07Ysu
Post by: Roger Norris on October 14, 2019, 11:58:07 AM
I got the stand for free. :goldtooth: I sold a few old bows, a pack, Assault hang-on and sticks. Yes I could have put that money in the bank but I am happy with this purchase. The wait time was about 4 months as they were behind in production. What sold me was the compact stick design and the silent packability. The waist belt and seat that locks into a shelf makes a load feel very comfortable. There is an integral pack strap hanger as well.
I don't really like to mess with all of those straps while packing and unpacking. I use the one to loop around the top of the stand to keep the seat post locked down to the platform as shown on their website. I find it easier to use flat adjustable bungee straps to keep the sticks and Bison Gear pack to the stand.
I use a parachute cord loop on each side of my safety harness belt to carry two of the sticks. I keep the stick straps in my pockets and put them on when I hang each stick. The sticks will stack on the stand easier while packing without the straps. I don't have to mess with wrapping each strap on the sticks, just put them back in my pockets. I'd like to find a pouch to attach to my safety harness to store the straps.
Good info here. I am currently keeping the straps attached. I'm going to try it your way. Thanks.
Post by: Overspined on October 15, 2019, 10:48:44 AM
Post by: Roger Norris on October 16, 2019, 06:34:31 AM
What shoulder straps are those?
Post by: 96ssportsp on October 16, 2019, 08:52:48 AM
Post by: Overspined on October 16, 2019, 02:30:17 PM
Here’s my assault rig. I bought the straps on the new stand from LWCG when I ordered it.
What shoulder straps are those?
Post by: carbonflyr on October 16, 2019, 07:23:08 PM
Post by: Overspined on October 17, 2019, 10:53:28 AM
that seat pad sure is different than the one that came with mine!
I bought that pad maybe 5 years ago from 3R. It says lone wolf custom gear on It funny enough. But it’s a great pad. Aftermarket...
Post by: Bchunter1 on October 17, 2019, 04:41:02 PM
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Post by: Overspined on October 22, 2019, 07:43:52 AM
A buddy of mine is 6’3 and another 6’1 as I think about it and both have hunted from my assault without complaints..can’t be perfect though
Post by: 96ssportsp on October 22, 2019, 09:02:42 AM
Just out of curiosity, what is your size? I am 6'1 but have a 34-35" inseam, an I am skeptical that the seat ht sl platform would be enough for me. Thanks in advance.
I am of similar size...6'1, 36 inseam. Just bought an assault this year. No lounge chair, but very tolerable. Pack mine just like Bchunter1. I really like the looks of the Custom Gear stand. Looks very compact. Scott.
Post by: pdk25 on October 22, 2019, 11:50:28 PM
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Post by: Bchunter1 on October 23, 2019, 09:02:35 AM
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Post by: Overspined on October 23, 2019, 04:12:23 PM
I can send one of my ropes and you can test it and see how it fits . I think the custom gear has a diffrent versa button.
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It is different for sure. There’s no button it’s a screw with a built in washer, much smaller than the plastic versa button
Post by: Bchunter1 on October 28, 2019, 06:49:42 AM
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Post by: carbonflyr on October 30, 2019, 06:30:47 PM
lucky for me I have a local marine outlet that has it
Post by: Overspined on October 31, 2019, 01:03:37 AM
Post by: Kevin Dill on October 31, 2019, 07:39:48 AM
1/4" diameter AmSteel Blue has an average strength of 8600 pounds. I have 150' of AmSteel Blue in my pulling kit and have used it to pull moose. Super strong. Flexible and easy to work with. Somewhat slick on the exterior which reduces abrasion fatigue. Pricey.
Post by: Overspined on October 31, 2019, 08:15:18 AM
Post by: Bchunter1 on November 03, 2019, 11:58:00 AM
so right behind the fennel was a limb I did not see . (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191103/db0779d548c02dd5c6d64156d469d4f6.jpg) . So much for the pigs. Went and set my stand and really like the Amsteel less stretch. I’m going to order some and set up with it. Thanks again 
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Post by: carbonflyr on November 03, 2019, 03:09:06 PM
Post by: Iowabowhunter on November 04, 2019, 05:14:38 PM
I am a hard core LW stand user when I use a tree stand. Used them for so long I can’t remember what year I bought them, early in the 2000’s I know that..I’ve been using the assault and climber, deciding based on situations..my best days, best bucks, and best set-ups period have always been from a stand I set that morning or evening. It’s extra effort, but the deer really don’t have any idea someone just hooked in above them, there’s no history of anyone sitting where I sit.
I got the LWCG stand and sticks, thought I’d post what I’m thinking so far...
The design of the actual stand, seat, and all is awesome, even in packability. All the modifications and “complaints” I used to have, they’ve seemed to have fixed them...very cool...I sewed “saddle bags” for my assault for transport, no longer necessary, had to bind it to be quiet, now its quiet by design. I had fashioned a belt and strap carry system, and now it’s designed for them and you can get them with it. Allows for carrying pack and clothing without shoulder strain.
It’s really light, thin, and quiet, and the color is less noticeable. Seat adjustment is better, easier as well, as is the platform adjustment. Most screws can’t generally back out because the nuts are locked in place by design..
I always only used one strap for attachment, LWCG comes with 2, and you can use with one or two.
Sticks are well made, really nice to use, and fold flat..
Here’s my issue at this point, the grommets do hold the sticks, but not all that well, I still need to bungee everything down so I don’t lose anything during transport. Also, I’m finding that I have to remove the straps from the lower stand strapping point, as well as all of the sticks in order to keep everything quiet, and allow it all to nest together properly. In the videos it all looks great, but in reality, if you keep the straps and buckles on the sticks, it just won’t work. This means I have to figure out where to keep those straps to pull out and use as I’m climbing..so maybe a cargo pocket or something I haven’t decided, although this will likely be the case.
They got rid of the versa button, so the straps go on and off easy enough, but it’s just another step.
Also, I’ve played with the “one trip up” theory. I think I have it figured out. The first two sticks are removed and basically the first is placed on the tree from the ground, the second is carried up to place next, easy enough. I then leave one stick stuck in the grommet on the left and one on the right of the stand. I reach back pull the third stick, attach the belt to it, and up it goes. Same for the next one. Just have to be careful not to nock one off during this process or off it will go to the ground..
Once up, stand comes off, hang the top strap as always, and add second strap if the tree requires it or you feel better about it. Good to go...so one trip up does work, IDK if the sticks are lighter than the original ones, but I do like the design better.
Hello sir,
I'm new to the hang and hunt method myself. I found a super helpful youtube channel called "DIY Sportsman" and he has a section there where he shows that by tying paracord loops behind the waist and leg sections of your harness, you can loop your 3rd and 4th sticks there for an easy one trip up the tree.
I've tried it on my hang and hunt sets this year and it's worked really well for me!
Post by: Overspined on November 10, 2019, 04:19:44 PM
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Post by: carbonflyr on November 10, 2019, 07:07:03 PM
Post by: Overspined on November 10, 2019, 08:04:04 PM
My foam/gel or whatever it is seat is like 2” thick. I’d probably buy a good hunting seat and just cut it to fit how you want.
The stand itself with no straps is so light it’s freaking awesome to handle
Post by: pdk25 on November 10, 2019, 09:30:18 PM