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Title: ACE Hex heads or Judo points or VPA
Post by: Wudstix on July 27, 2022, 04:40:56 PM
Which head do you prefer for stumping and/or small game?
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Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Broken Arrows on July 27, 2022, 04:46:13 PM
VPA  Small game thumper
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Duker on July 27, 2022, 04:55:29 PM
I use Ace Hex Heads for small game like rabbits and squirrels and for stump shooting I mostly will use judo points or sometimes blunts  :archer2:
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Ryan Rothhaar on July 27, 2022, 05:06:43 PM
Home made. Drill a hole thru a field point and tap a 1 1/4 inch long roll pin thru it. Works as good as a judo.....costs lots less!  😉

R
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Pine on July 27, 2022, 05:08:54 PM
Big fan of hex heads.
Way easier to pull out from a punked out log.
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Pete McMiller on July 27, 2022, 05:09:21 PM
Ace HEX heads for me for both small game and stumping.  Durable, come in 175 gr. and, so far, haven't lost any.
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Pine on July 27, 2022, 05:15:05 PM
Ace HEX heads for me for both small game and stumping.  Durable, come in 175 gr. and, so far, haven't lost any.
Met them in person at a Trad Show and they told me that there heads are guaranteed against loss.
" If you ever loose one, bring it back to them and they will replace it "
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Wudstix on July 27, 2022, 05:17:28 PM
Use glue on heads.  Have Judo and HTM blunts, just dropped hammer on half dozen 200 grain ACE Hex heads.  VPA look good, but I saved a few dollars with ACE.  Probably last me a few years.
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Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Orion on July 27, 2022, 05:27:37 PM
I usually have both in my quiver when stumping.  Hex for stump shots, Judo for dirt clumps, grass, etc.  Tend to use a Hex for rabbits and squirrels, a Judo for birds. 
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Tim Reese on July 27, 2022, 06:43:20 PM
Judos are awesome but I prefer blunts just so I can use whatever quiver I want easier.
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Terry Green on July 27, 2022, 07:19:25 PM
Judos for stumping only...... one of the few items I have ever found that I have a REAL hard time breaking or tearing up.

Broadheads only at game period....

From the 'How To' forum.....

I tried out some WWs with the tip severly pyramided on some bunny's at TX Sweat earlier this year, and they did real well....although I was really after hogs and javies...I didn't really go after bunnys.

So I used them again during the Littlefeather Bunny hunt last month...and I was really after bunnies so the heads got a LOT of use.

They performed very well...often pinning them to the ground, prickly pears, or mesquite trunks.  Very consistant hit-recovery ratio.  Best I've found OR seen for bunnys.

However, I did see room for improvement in getting them out of the back quiver....they tended to drag a bit.  So I took them to the belt sander and backed them up at the turn using the guard as a jig and took off the sharp corner and flat spotted it.  Made a big difference....now they just glide out.

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Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: A Lex on July 27, 2022, 07:40:33 PM
Out of the two you mention Wud, I like the Ace Hex Blunt. Un-breakable and no springs etc to get all buggered and bent. And I can get glue-ons in the heavier weights I need.

But, that said, as much as I like the Hex Blunt, they are becoming more and more expensive to get from over there in the States, so for all my stumping and small game now, I use a home made blunt that works really well

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It's simply a 160 grain field tip with a 1/4" hardened flat washer silver soldered to it. They weigh in at a fuzz over 190 grains, and have proven time and time again to be very effective, very robust, and just about un-losable. And I've shot them many 1000's of times  :thumbsup:

Not everyone's cup of tea, but I like 'em  :goldtooth:

Best
Lex
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Captain*Kirk on July 27, 2022, 07:49:48 PM
I used the 3R rubber Bunny Busters for stumping last year, 125gr to match my Zwickey Eskimos. Rather disappointing as almost all of them had the cedar shaft push through after a couple 'head shots' against rotten stumps that turned out not to be so rotten after all. Planning on trying out both judos and hex.
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: STICKBENDER98 on July 27, 2022, 08:40:04 PM
Ryan, can you post pics? I’m curious, thanks


Jason
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: LookMomNoSights on July 27, 2022, 10:54:20 PM
Hard to beat a Hex.  I regularly have on hand plenty of 200 gr screw in and 125 glue ons.  Tough as nails is an understatement.  Perfect medicine for rabbits!
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: RIVERWOLF on July 28, 2022, 09:21:07 AM
Hex heads and judos.....Love them both;)  Though the judo is better played for roving(stumps-sticks-leaves-debris), I have taken squirrels with them . Keep the shots close , as should be the measure with tradional anyways ;)

For all around roving , decayed stumps (learnt after yrs of stumpology study),small critters like rabbit-squirrel CLOSE...and ease of carry I most often carry Ace hex heads. 

I will also add...for just hunting small game...I do prefer using broadheads.

I've said this many a time over the years as a means to describe tree rats.....

The squirrel is ""A ball of muscle wrapped in a buffalo hide"" !  RRW....
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Terry Green on July 28, 2022, 10:21:27 AM
To add  to my original post....

You can also round off the point more sever than the steep pyramid in the pic.  I use rounded off ones for squirrels in trees.

This pic depicts a bunny, hog n javie hunt.... the ones in the back quiver are for bunnies as in the pic on my 1st post.  The back quiver is dropped at the sign of hogs or javies leaving me with my bow quiver full of real broadheads.

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Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: RIVERWOLF on July 28, 2022, 10:33:27 AM
Good stuff Terry !

My rabbit opps are pretty thin in these parts. You gents have about a "life-time" of what Bunny meat I have producted thus far with bow in hand ;^)))   That looks like TOOoooo much fun in a good way .......
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Wudstix on July 28, 2022, 06:50:18 PM
Now I have something to do with all the Woodsman heads I have.
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Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Terry Green on July 28, 2022, 06:54:49 PM








Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: tippit on July 28, 2022, 10:48:17 PM
I use 200 grain ACE Hex heads.
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Ryan Rothhaar on July 29, 2022, 06:56:08 AM
Here you go, Jason. 1/8 inch roll pin by 1 1/4 inches. 1 inch too short and they don't catch as well in the grass/dirt to stop them, 1 1/2 inch roll pins bend or break more often. If you shoot around rocks you'll break off a side once in a while,  just tap in a new pin.  I drill them on the drill press, takes longer to find the right bit, for me, in my toolbox than to make one. They REALLY thump small game, too.

R

Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: trad_bowhunter1965 on July 29, 2022, 08:13:32 AM
I shoot most of them Judo, Ace Hex, VPA, Hammer head my favorite for small game is Game nabber by Precision Designed Products they work great.
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Captain*Kirk on July 29, 2022, 01:13:18 PM
Here you go, Jason. 1/8 inch roll pin by 1 1/4 inches. 1 inch too short and they don't catch as well in the grass/dirt to stop them, 1 1/2 inch roll pins bend or break more often. If you shoot around rocks you'll break off a side once in a while,  just tap in a new pin.  I drill them on the drill press, takes longer to find the right bit, for me, in my toolbox than to make one. They REALLY thump small game, too.

R



So, assuming this might not be such a good idea for woodies as you re drilling into the taper...
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: A Lex on July 29, 2022, 06:16:03 PM
A mate and I have been playing with the 200 grain Ace Super Express broadheads, and we really like them, so we've bit the bullet so to speak and ordered 2 dozen 200 grain broadheads, 2 dozen 200 grain field points, and 2 dozen 200 grain Hex blunts. A dozen of each for both of us. We'll split the shipping, it sure helps.

So I'll be using the 200 grain glue-on Hex Blunts again soon  :laughing:

Great blunt

Best
Lex
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Wudstix on July 29, 2022, 07:25:50 PM
My 200 grain glue on Hex should be here soon.
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Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: A Lex on July 30, 2022, 06:33:34 AM
Mine too Wud  :goldtooth:

Best
Lex
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Wudstix on August 01, 2022, 04:48:10 PM
Ace Hex heads showed up and I'm pleased with the consistency; 199.6-200.2 grains.  Two at both ends and a 199.8 and 200.0.  That is very tight tolerance.  Can't wait to give them a go.
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Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: woodchucker on August 02, 2022, 12:17:48 PM
I've been a Judo guy for years.... However! The Ace Hex Heads, are DEVASTATING on game!!!

The Judos tend to punch through, and the spring arms tend to drag the insides outside.... :o

3Rivers sells a J grip arrow holder that goes up into the foam of my bow quivers, and it has a little magnet in it to hold the tip of the Judo point. Carries my Judo as quiet as a mouse!! I've carried 3 broadheads and a Judo for years.
This year, it's gonna be 3 135gr Zwickey Deltas, and a 135gr Zwickey Judo...  :thumbsup: :archer: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Sam McMichael on August 02, 2022, 05:53:57 PM
I don't hunt small game, so I use judo points to avoid losing arrows in the brush when roving.
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Badlands on August 09, 2022, 02:30:36 PM
I'm a big Judo fan, I spend hours and hours wondering through the badlands shooting them at whatever I see, but I'm with Terry in that I use broadheads of one kind or another for small game. Judo's just make a mess of things.
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Terry Lightle on August 10, 2022, 07:20:24 AM
Judos for stumping,like Hex Heads for small game
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Wudstix on August 31, 2022, 06:49:58 PM
Picked up some VPA Small Game Thumper (SGT) for a comparison between the others.
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Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Greenstyk on September 01, 2022, 09:33:23 PM
Ace hex heads. Pretty much all I practice with and squirrel hunt with.
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Breakfast Boy on September 01, 2022, 09:40:42 PM
Judo's if stump shooting in real grassy areas.

Ace Hex heads or the VPA SGT's if hunting small game or most stump shooting around home here in the woods.

Rubber blunts if "stump shooting" out west in real rocky areas.
Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Wudstix on September 02, 2022, 11:28:59 PM
I have some military ammo packing foam that I make "inexpensive" targets from.  Look forward to running some of these blunts through the foam.
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Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points
Post by: Wudstix on September 03, 2022, 11:22:12 PM
VPA SGT 250 grain heads look gnarly, consistent weight 251.6, 251.8, 252.  Look to be good small game head, testing will tell.
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Title: Re: ACE Hex heads or Judo points or VPA
Post by: KAZ on September 10, 2022, 03:44:38 PM
I’ve been using the same VPA 175 & 250 Grain Small Game Thumpers for years and they are really nice… :campfire: