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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: BUCKY on August 12, 2022, 09:49:49 AM
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Anybody shoot 250-300 up front? If so whats your set up? Arrow length,spine bow weight etc. thanks. Just curious.
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My elk set up this year is 300 plus up front (100 grain brass insert, 75 grain steel adaptor and 130 grain +/- Zwickey No Mercy broadhead, about 575-580 total arrow weight) on a 500 Axis cut to 29 inches BOP for my 28-inch draw. Works well for both my 51# Northern Mist Shelton and 45# Bear TD back-up.
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I shoot a Schafer Silvertip- 50@28 (draw 29 1/2)
340 Beman 75 grain brass insert- 100 grain steel adapter- 165 glue on treeshark
675 total arrow weight
I will substitute a 250 3 blade vpa or a 250 single bevel cutthroat
All fly perfectly
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27in 2016 with 300 up front work at my draw length. I'm guessing but pretty close to 50lb draw weight.
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I have some 5575 Gold Tip,which I think are 400 spine. They are cut to 29 inches,and I shoot them out of a 55 pound bow. They are really quiet,and they penetrate very well. Forgot to add they are 300 grain points.
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Most of my bows are around 55# @28” I use FMJ 400 that I fine tune cutting some arrows at 28-1/2” or 29” depending on the bow poundage. Most of my BHs are at 250 grs they can be the Simmons tree Shark with a 100 adapter or the Abowyer Brown Bear, Cutthroat or 3 blade VPA. If I need a flatter trajectory I use the same arrow cut 1/2” longer and with a 200 grs BH. Only for big boars I use 60# 340 FMJ and 300 grs Tuffhead.
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Black Widow PTF that is 43.5#@ 27" (46#@28") and I'm shooting a 28" to BOP Easton 500 6.5 carbon with 3-4" parabolic feathers and a 12 grain insert with a 250 VPA 3 blade. Total arrow weight is right at 500 grains.
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Shooting 61-62 at 29 1/2. Vapor VMAXX 5000's (they are .300 spine) 30 inches with 285 gr heads. Total arrow weight around 700 grains.
R
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Interesting how many shoot heavy heads. My set up is Kanati lb 40@26 with GT 500 spine cut at 28” with 250 up front. 515gr 12.7 gpp
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I shoot a 29 3/4” Axis Traditional 500 with 260 total up front. 175 head, 85 grain footer and insert.
Shoots great out of 46# @ 27 Toelke Whistler.
I was shooting it with 285 total yesterday and it was only slightly weak.
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My arrows are slightly stiff so i was going to try 300 up front.
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I always enjoy seeing these big foc rigs.
I always end up just shooting my 125 tips...
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I'm using a Bear "B" TD riser w #1 limbs marked 50# but 40# @ my now 27' draw. Hoping to be back to 50-55# next year. My arrows are old Patriot Carbons 45-60# cut to 28" with 190gr Cutthroat and 200gr VPA 3 Blade BH's. Aluminum adapter and 100 gr brass insert. Four 3" feathers. 560gr total weight.
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If it tunes and flies well, go for it. I've never gone above 300gn on the front but that's mainly because I haven't found the need and it would take some serious adjusting with components.
I shoot 265gn total on my PCH that I pull about 62# with.
Have tuned arrows with 300gn and 290gn up front of my ASL I pull about 65# with.
I use a lot of 200gn broadheads so it all comes down to component options for me.
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My Kanati shoots a 29 1/2 in Axis 500 with 100gr brass insert 200gr Grizzly out of a 40lb bow at 145 fps single bevel all pass thrus so far.
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300 did it. 50 grains more made a difference. I didnt think it would.
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Intended setups for this deer season:
Bows:
Bob Lee Ultimate w/Carbon Cobra Limbs…47@28
CD WF19 w/Uukha SX+’s…..46@28
Arrow: BE Carnivore 400...29 1/4"…150 gn insert…190 gn Timber Shark…29% EFOC…564 gn total…
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29” Black eagle x-impact. 100gr f.o.c.u.s insert-outsert, 200 gr vpa 3 blade. 7” wrap and three 4” shield cut feathers. 3 degree offset. Shoots absolutely lights out from my 58” 51@28 primaltech longbow. I draw to just under 27”.
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Finally got my set up all tested. #40@26 Kanati. Gold tip trads cut at 27.5 with 300 up front. 150 stinger bh with 150 insert.
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I remember back when I started, everyone thought my 175 grainers were heavy. :biglaugh: Interesting thread. :campfire:
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Very interesting the number of us shooting 250 - 300 up front. I am doing the same, except I am shooting wood shafts
My setup is as follows
44# @ 30"
Surewood shafts
190 meatheads or 200 grizzlies
75 grain woody weight
total arrow weights of 720 to 760 grains
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Beman Centershot 500
Arrow Length 27"
Point weight: 225 grains
Insert weight: 75 grains
Total weigh up front: 300 grains
Nock weight w/wraps: 18 grains
45# longbow @ 28" Actual draw length 26.5"
My Stats are:
Total arrow weight: 551.7 grains
Arrow GPP: 13.3
FOC: 24.8
Arrow Speed: 159.5 fps
Arrow energy: 31.1
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I shoot 62-66# with tapered footed Cedar arrow @29", 160-250 grain heads. Arrows spined 70-75-80. Total weight 740-840 grains.
:campfire: :coffee: :archer2: :campfire:
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60#@25.5 recurve with Grizzlistyk 400 with 70grain insert+70 grain weight footing+250 grain head.total 660grains and 28.25" long BOP. 27% FOC.
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65lbs at 32"s.. drawn to 32"s. 340 spine arrow cut to 32.5" . Standard aluminum inserts 300 grain vpa 3 blade.
BigJim
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Like seeing the potent arrow designs...
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Wood arrows, 175 grain tip with 125 gr woody weight. Wapiti tapered cedar
I’ve recently set up carbon just because but that’s 175 grain tip as well with 78 grain, if I’m recalling correct, inset. Gold tip traditional only
There’s some variation but that’s basically it. The bows range between 50s and 60s
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Red Balau wood shafts from Kevin Forrester
235 grain Grizzly broadhead + 100 grain Woody Weight = 335 grains
A fuzz under 1100 grains all up, out of my 75lb at 28" Blackwidow longbow.
Top set-up :goldtooth:
Best
Lex
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Pretty much standard arrows for me. My main setup at the moment is GT 340 shaft, cut to about 31" or so -- forget exactly what they are but they're longer than normal. Insert is 100 grain brass + another 50 grain screw-in weight. Heads are 145 single bevel grizzlies or 160 gr zwickey (grizz for big game, zwicks for turkey). Comes in right around 640 grains total weight, I think. Bow is at 55# with a thick strip of leather as a strike plate to help increase the dynamic spine.
I recently heard a story of a guy who has been trying to get a bear for a while & finally got his chance. He got a bear in close & he took his shot with one of those unmentionable arrow launching devices. 400 grain arrow with an expandable head. Arrow hit the shoulder & bounced out. So much I could say about that but I'll settle for, "Nope. Ain't happening to me."
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On my 55 @30 bow i run about 240 up font on a 31" 400 shaft. & 265 up front on the Heritage 350's, Total weight about 550.
my 49 @30 i set up with a bit more FOC using a similar 240 up front weight using aluminum over footings about 2" in length. total weight about 500. Shoots pretty close to the same trajectory up to 30 yards, but with the heavier FOC it drops off quicker at 40 yards than my 15% FOC and heavier shafts. Of course that has 6 pounds more draw weight too.
Kirk
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40lb bow, 30” arrows, .500 spine, 75gr insert, 175gr point, equals 250gr up front.
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I'm with A Lex for the Red Balau have some made up for my 70#+ Kota Badlands Longbow, 171 grain Centaur Big Game, total arrow @930 grains for 13.04 gpp.
:campfire: :coffee: :archer2: :campfire:
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I remember back when I started, everyone thought my 175 grainers were heavy. :biglaugh: Interesting thread. :campfire:
HA!
Yep, same here..... and I'm still shooting them 30 years later. 90% of the time for sure. I've killed everything pretty much with that weight.
I think the heaviest head I ever killed anything with was 200 grain Abowyer Large Bonehead added with my 42 grain insert riding on an Arrow Dynamics Trad Lite out of a 70# bow....making for 630 grainish arrow. They became Sponsors so I set out to kill something with them immediately. Ran up to the Cohutta Wilderness during turkey season, only because that meant I could chase hogs, and I ended up with this....
Then there was the Wensel Woodsman with a 100 grain steal adaptor making for a 225 grain head....
Oh, I did kill a Javie pillow this year with a Battle Axe at about 235 grains with insert.
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My 300 gr point journey started in 2008 with 300 gr BH (Big Jim 3 blades)
. Now I use lighter gear : mainly 2 bows made by BigFoot : a Sasquatch recurve around 54-55# on fingers at my 32 “ draw length and a Sasquatch hybrid longbow 53# @32” gr
I still end with either 350 gr either 300 gr point weight on my set up
I use only the same 200 gr BH now for all game for all and 2 types of shaft : black Eagle 5/16 carnivore 350 that tunes perfectly with 150 gr steel insert (+200gr heads) and 9/16 black eagle rampage perfect with 100 gr HIT insert (+200 gr heads)
Both arrow are nicely tuned for both bows. I mostly use for bowhunting the 5/16 set up as it is little heavier and I have many of these still left 630 gr vs 590 gr for the 9/16. As I am an Africaholic bowhunter i used extensively those set up on heavy game (gemsbok wildebeest zebra eland bull and cow kudu hartebeest etc…) as well as medium game (local euro deers and hogs muflon and medium Africa game such as impala warthogs spring bucks duiker etc) with satisfaction.
Here are some of the 2022 Zimbabwe safari pics with that set up
(Sorry for the rotated pics but can t fix it)
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62" Black Widow PSA - 50# @ 30" - 31.75" Gold Tip .300 Velocity - 275g Zwickey 4 blade deltas - (4) 5" fletch Trad Vanes - 620g
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I am shooting 32” GT Hunter 400’s with 120 grain insert and 130 grain Rothaar Snuffers, 4-4” feathers and Nocturnal lighted nock for a total arrow weight of 550 grains 13.71 gpp out of my 40lb Uukha Gobi limbs with a 21” EXE Scream riser and a 29.25” draw length at 168fps.
My thumb is where it stopped. Imo pretty good penetration for a 40.1lb bow. Getting antsy for Saturdays NJ opener. Took 5 quality shots after dinner with 4 in the ten ring and one just a hair outside.
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58#@28" Border Black Douglas. 400 axis. 50gr insert, 250gr point. 300gr upfront.
70#@28" limbs on same bow. 340 axis. 100gr insert, 50gr steel rod behind insert, 250gr point. 400gr upfront.
Not including alloy shaft footings 2.5"-3.5" long
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Water Buffalo arrow using the 70# limbs-
Axis 400, 6.2" long 2020 alloy shaft footing. glue in/glue on insert adapter of my own design weighs 334gr, 300gr tuffhead.
634gr upfront not including the footing.
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I shoot a 45 pound Centaur Triple Carbon Elite
I just made up some hog arrows with 275 up front.
Here is the formula:
3Rivers Trad Only 500 shafts at 29.25 inches
3Rivers carbon collar (5 grains)
6-inch one-stringer wrap with 3 fletch with 4-inch feathers
Glory Nock
75 grain glue-in/glue-on brass broadhead insert
200 grain Grizzly 3-blade
About 560 grains with 25% FOC
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50@28" Black Widow PSR
30" CE heritage 250
200 gr VPA with 60 gr weighted insert
250 gr VPA with 20 gr weighted insert
175 gr Simmons Tigershark with 100 gr insert
I draw just over 29"
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Looks like I'm a little late to the party, Anyway I've been using 200-300 Field points and Broadheads for over 20+ years 300 gr. most of those years, last 3 200-250, Oldtimers :goldtooth: Anyway, after last shoulder surgery I've been able to increase poundage up to 40#@ 27". this year I have 2 bows setup and looks like I'll be able to shoot 300gr. once again. You will love the penetration.
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Only 225 up front.
47# Stalker Coyote
Easton Axis shafts with 50 Gr. insert
175 gr. VPA 2 blade broadhead
Total arrow Wgt. 470 gr.
The main thing is i'm getting perfect arrow flight.
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Only 225 up front.
47# Stalker Coyote
Easton Axis shafts with 50 Gr. insert
175 gr. VPA 2 blade broadhead
Total arrow Wgt. 470 gr.
The main thing is i'm getting perfect arrow flight.
The main thing is getting perfect arrow flight. That is it period... Change what ever you need to to get perfect arrow flight (field points and Broadheads) arrow spine, tip weight, tiller, brace height whatever it takes that works for you to be accurate. You may have to lower your bow poundage.