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Main Boards => The Bowyer's Bench => Topic started by: John Scifres on December 16, 2022, 08:02:48 AM
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Morning old friends. Bowmaking season is upon me and I am spending the first part renovating my garage. I have a workable shop now but I am completely renovating my garage so it is a blank slate.
I have half the 2-car garage so it's 10'x20'. The only thing that has to be in there other than a bench and tools is my chest freezer which actually serves as a nice horizontal work space when needed. All wood storage is already in the attic so that is not a factor in the shop.
I have a bandsaw on casters and a rolling tool cart that serves as space for my grinder, drill press, sander, and router table as needed. The long wall will also have my tiller tree on it.
Show me your shops and anything you do that is creative or cool or just something you love about it. I'd love to hear about your dust collection methods. I am pondering a unit in my attic. Right now I just use a shop-vac. The garage is insulated but not conditioned. Some form of spray-booth is also a desire. It will have to be takedown as I don't spray a lot. I looked at a lot of older threads but many pics are missing. Thanks.
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Good to see you getting back into making bows, John.
The best dust collection system I have found is a cyclone system, they really work well.
I also have an air filter in the ceiling that works well.
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I put a dust collector in a shed next to the shop. It helped with the noise. But it has a little less suck . Also a shop vac like Roys.
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Roy, do you prefer the cyclone over the wall mounted unit?
I also would love to see some examples of knockdown spray booths. Never have seen the perfect one, yet!
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With only 10X20' to work with, id recommend a small 4' work bench on wheels that can be locked down, with flip up sides or ends to increase your space. I've use the 3-4" caster wheels with a good lock down on the wheels in the past and they work well.
I thought all you self bowyers prefered working outside under a tarp or something... :biglaugh:
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One thing that I have learned is to put everything on wheels. I just got my workbench on wheels and now it’s easy to pull out and clean behind it or work on it’s other side.
A good space saver is a flip cart. I saw one on you tube and it’s a great idea. My two bench mounted belt sanders are bolted to it.
Here’s a picture.
Dave.
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And don't forget about lighting. I've been very happy since I saturated my main work space with cheap 4' LED shop lights.
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Thank you all. You are doing great. More please :)
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Roy, do you prefer the cyclone over the wall mounted unit?
They do different things buggs.
The cyclone connected to the power tools sucks up the sawdust like crazy and it all goes into the 5 gallon bucket, nothing goes into the shop vac. It's crazy how well it works...
The ceiling unit gets the dust that floats in the air.
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I placed my workbench in the center of the shop so I can walk the entire way around it.
Have a vice mounted on both ends.
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Have a vice on a post in the center of the shop for glue ups and I can walk all around it too..
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I’m in the middle of the second phase of re-working my garage shop too. I bought a few of those stackable plastic bins so that I can keep small pieces of wood organized and during the first part of the re-work, I built a couple of rolling wood storage bins. One is for boards and the other is for plywood. They have dividers in them to help keep things neat.
Dave.
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I placed my workbench in the center of the shop so I can walk the entire way around it.
Have a vice mounted on both ends.
Have a vice on a post in the center of the shop for glue ups and I can walk all around it too..
Roy...... At's not a bloody vise mate........
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Now.... At's a vise mate..... :biglaugh:
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Ya happy?
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You all wanna go there ——Really? I gotta go knock some glue snot off of mine for pics. First I gotta dig around in my shop to find my 4’x8’ workbench. !!!!!
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I placed my workbench in the center of the shop so I can walk the entire way around it.
Have a vice mounted on both ends.
Have a vice on a post in the center of the shop for glue ups and I can walk all around it too..
Roy...... At's not a bloody vise mate........
Selfbows have a 4" grip with fades wider than the grip, so no more than a 4" vice :thumbsup:
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Actually I was referring to this unit; [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
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That unit flat out sucks.
It won't even pull saw dust out of a machine.
It's all it can do to hold a piece of paper against the inlet hose.
From what I have been told, it's just to move some light dust in the air..
So I don't even use it and since I used it once, they would not take it back.
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I have my vice on my work bench but if I were to do it over I'd mount it on a post in the floor so I could work around it. I use it mainly for removing bark and sapwood to find a good back ring. I also use it to reduce the stave to floor tiller stage. This is where being able to work all around the stave would be handy. I use my Stave Master for the rest of the tillering process.
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That unit flat out sucks.
It won't even pull saw dust out of a machine.
It's all it can do to hold a piece of paper against the inlet hose.
From what I have been told, it's just to move some light dust in the air..
So I don't even use it and since I used it once, they would not take it back.
Just saying
It will suck up a paper towel and block it off, take the hose off and see if anything is in there.
There has to be something in there roy :thumbsup:
Mine works really good but the bag can clog too, I take the bag outside and snap it several times, turn it inside out and do it again, also I wash it.
I added a cyclone dust collector before it goes in there and it works better.
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Ya happy?
Now at's a vice mate.... :clapper: :clapper:
I put dense rubber pads on mine
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That unit flat out sucks.
It won't even pull saw dust out of a machine.
It's all it can do to hold a piece of paper against the inlet hose.
From what I have been told, it's just to move some light dust in the air..
So I don't even use it and since I used it once, they would not take it back.
These dust collection systems can be real sensitive to hose size, and run length. I built my own many years ago using a 10" squirrel cage fan out of a furnace that was being tossed out on a remodeling project. That motor lasted quite a few years too. I also built my own cyclone that dumps sawdust into a large garbage can i can empty occasionally. I did some HVAC research on moving air and volume vs suction power. The bigger the pipe, the more volume you move, and the volume is what picks up the air born particles that kill ya....
What i found works the best is using a 6" trunk line, then reducing it to 4" drops to my machines. If i reduce it again to a two inch line, it has more suction, and picks up more of the saw dust, but doesnt get as much of the air born dust. So it's a fine line to draw..... All my sanders and my router table have 4" lines hooked up. A lot of the machines out there only have a 2" hook up for saw dust and needs a conversion.
After my furnace fan bit the sand, i bought a 12" blower unit and mounted a 2 hp motor on it. This thing will suck up a small cat! ..... But...... It's an overhead trunk line, and my table saw is at the end of the line about 30' from the blower, and it just wont pull the volume of dust that saw creates efficiently. So i disconnected the table saw, and just shovel the saw dust out. I'm more concerned with my sanders picking up all the dust.....
I thought about hooking up another blower below my table saw under the floor, but I don't really want to mess with it. Kirk
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Thanks again to all. Lots of food for thought. I'm looking forward to putting it to work.
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A lot of insulation too, John.
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Don’t forget to install a wood stove so that you can quickly eliminate any evidence of screw ups… 😉
Dave.
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I have found this thing I made quite use full. Padded with leather on top and fastened to the bench with s clamp. It can be moved around on both sides of the vice.
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For those who have a post-mounted vise or a bench on wheels or away from walls, how does that work out when really hogging wood off a stave? Did you just use really heavy stock or do you do something different in those cases?
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X2 on the wood stove, or another good source of heat. My shop is cold, and takes a while to heat up. Which can be a deterrent, especially when the temp is supposed to hit -28deg, like tonight!