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Main Boards => The Bowyer's Bench => Topic started by: Roy from Pa on January 02, 2023, 11:19:48 AM
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I started this thread today, thanks Mark...
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TTT
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Been watching the local rafter of turkeys tidy up under the bird feeder.
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LOL, the deer tidy up under our bird feeder too..
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The Mulies are regulars here too. :thumbsup:
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Have 9 deer in yard now eating their field corn dinner:)
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Looks like you are in Pinyon-Juniper country, onetone
Know any place to get some good Green Chile?
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:thumbsup: Roy
Just cooking in bulk :bigsmyl:
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The Mulies are regulars here too. :thumbsup:
Do you have Merriam or Rio?
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Looks like you are in Pinyon-Juniper country, onetone
Know any place to get some good Green Chile?
Sure, in the Fall most any large parking has a roaster going and you can get a gunny sack full of fresh roasted green chile. Now it is available as frozen or powdered or in a restaurant.
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Long cruise - I think our local gobblers are Mirriams altho I have seen hybrids around here as well.
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Happy new Year everybody. My shop-life 2023 with tillering something angular...still needs a tiny little more tweaking 🤗
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Think I finally figured it out now 🤗
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Hung a new rack in the attic for staves and billets. I have over 50 bows worth up there. Last time I cut was 2011 so they are pretty seasoned. I have 3 up there from the first or second MOJam. Someday I'll get the cajones to make something out of them.
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Since Roy cut my legs out on the 2022 What did you do today thread, I will move this over here. :saywhat:
Appalachian HillBilly wrote:
Virginia Tech has an excellent article in one they designed along with plans. That will be what I am copying.
AH, is there a link to that article and the kiln details?
Thanks,
Mark
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Here you go.
https://sbio.vt.edu/for-the-community/vt-solar-kiln.html
https://www.pubs.ext.vt.edu/420/420-030/420-030.html
Google Solar Kilns or Virginia Tech Solar kiln. Article is on several places.
This design can be scaled down to smaller sizes as well.
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Sorry Mark, but it all worked out:)
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Sorry Mark, but it all worked out:)
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No worries, I knew we would prevail.
Thanks to AH for those links.
Mark
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I got half my Festool package today. The CT26 vacuum came, waiting on the sander now. That and drier weather....
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Hillbilly gonna use that for hand tools only?
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Ken what is a Festool package?
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Tools that have festered? :tongue:
I've not owned any Festool products, only coveted them. The ones I have seen are very nice and quite expensive
I googled it, I was wrong. Its a present from Uncle Fester
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I did a walnut rescue , probably 40years in the attic of a chicken coop. He called this morning and said I could have it or he was gonna burn it.
Lots of live edge stuff in it , looked like they just sawed 3/4" pieces off the log.
I got some in about 1995 from him and built his daughter a TV stand to take to college with her...
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Made a stringer.
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Worked on BBO some , she needs a diet if I'm gonna shoot her.
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Ken what is a Festool package?
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There are many Festool packages! Yes they are pricey, but I got tired of using cheap sanders and tools that don't last. Festool has a 3 year pretty much no questions asked warranty.
The dust collector/vacuum I got , goes with all there tools. It has adjustable vacuum levels, hepa filtration .
It can be run in manual or auto. In Auto, when you turn the tool on, it turns the dust collector on..tool off ,it turns off.
I have a bunch of cabinets to build this summer, so I am using some of my money from my last auto restoration I did to buy some professional grade equipment.
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Hillbilly gonna use that for hand tools only?
Track saw, sanders, basically making a work station around this . My other dust collector will stay with my big stuff like drum sander and spindle sander.
Here is a link to basically what I will be building .
https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/my-hybrid-version-of-a-diy-mft-sysport/
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"Made a stringer."
I like your design. Gonna try it next time I make some. :thumbsup:
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Putting in a new garbage disposal unit. Irks me that it only lasted 33years :biglaugh:
Archery related? Yes, the motor is good and it might do to power a drum sander. Thinking Little Hog.
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I had to box up my high end Mirka palm sander again for repair or replacement. The original one i purchased had a life time warranty, and had an AC/DC converter to run it... That one lasted almost 10 years with only a switch replacement. I use this thing a LOT. I sent that one back again for repair in December of 21 and they replaced it with a different model without the converter. It wasn't balanced the same, and obviously a cheaper sander..... But i got used to it.....
Well it just crapped out yesterday...... This one claims to only have only a two year warranty, and it lasted 13 months...... They replaced a lifetime warrant product with a cheaper model, saying they no longer made or serviced the original $500 sander... I'll be curious if they stand behind the original warranty.
Then i get my air sander out, and its acting up....WTF? I got sander blues going here. Kirk
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Made a stringer.
Worked on BBO some , she needs a diet if I'm gonna shoot her.
Roy, that is very simple. I like that a lot!
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Hey I got one like that
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Ya you do Mike, how's it working out?
Ken, it's so easy to make and very strong because all the stress is on the stringer cord instead of the leather cup. Plus with it being rectangler, it's easy to hold.
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What size cord? Is it para?
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I like it Roy
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Thats a damn good design. ASL owners should all have one of those. I'm definitely going to make one.
Roy, what's the dimensions of the leather piece?
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1" wide by 2.5" long but it depends on the shape and size of the bow tips also.
And the top cup is normally smaller than the bottom so you have room to slide the string in the string groove.
See?
What size cord? Is it para?
It's 1/8th diameter... Yes..
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Glued up a riser blank. 5 pieces of Bubinga and 8 pieces of thin veneers. This clamping fixture is very good as it gives pressure from two sides so lams do not slide around. Put two extra clamps on this one.
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That's sweet Bue.
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Bue do you know the name of the clamps. I really like them.
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Not sure what brand those are, but they look like panel clamps. Here is one version.
Check this out! https://a.co/d/9YC2CEz
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Thanks hillbilly thay are new to me.
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Old. The name is Plano. If you search for Plano vertical glue press you should find it.
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Thanks Bue
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Hey Jim, buy me a set too:)
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Those are definitely cool! Being able to attach the whole set up to a vertical service is neat! Pricey though.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/221224232795?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=221224232795&targetid=1263094005026&device=m&mktype=&googleloc=9010321&poi=&campaignid=14859008593&mkgroupid=130497710760&rlsatarget=pla-1263094005026&abcId=9300678&merchantid=8334134&gclid=Cj0KCQiAzeSdBhC4ARIsACj36uE9UNWQa6QG2-asuX5FvOmJGOYYkiGRCxxrnkRxYGvTgtRjLFDK9ZYaAqqWEALw_wcB
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Yup but Bue can afford em:)
I'll make them out of 1x1s and all thread bolts:)
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I have had mine for 25 years and they are good stuff. You can glue up thin panels and up to 10 cm thick and 100 cm wide. You can buy extention rails and clamps and make it as long as you want. You should not think so , but they can give very hard pressure.
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Well i have been singing the palm sander blues the last few days having to send my high end mirka sander in for repairs. I bought this pneumatic sander last year about this time when the last one went hay wire, and haven't used it much....Well i brought it back out, blew the dust off it, and hooked up the air hose, only to get very slow rpms out of it.... I was disgusted... This is killing me here....
Well after cleaning it up and oiling it, i still couldn't get it to go faster than about 400 rpms.... Then i bumped this little knob that was kinda hidden, and she came up to about half speed........ As i got to messing with it i realized there was a speed control on this damn thing and i didnt even know about it. I had always regulated the speed with the palm pressure and didn't even know there was a speed control knob on it.... Boy did i feel stupid... :knothead: :knothead:
So I'm up and running again! :thumbsup:
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Roy after I hit the lottery I will buy us both a set.
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Kirk, lmao.
Same happened to me with my belt sander. I thought it's gummed up or needs oil.
Then I see this round knob and turn it and away it goes. LOL
Ok Jim.
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Pfft. Kirk didja read the manual :bigsmyl:
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Pfft. Kirk didja read the manual :bigsmyl:
That sounds like a line my wife gives me quite often... :knothead:
Btw.... Noooooo.... of course not. :biglaugh:
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Hahaha. That is hilarious. It’s like Christmas as a kid when it works out though.
Over here it’s been a long hunting season with lots of hunting and not much killing and the shop was a wreck, so I spent the day cleaning up and I’m motivated to get some bows built as soon as the season ends.
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Result of riser glue up. 5 pc of Bubinga and 8 thin Bubinga and Birch veneers. Now I’ll split it in half and glue in an I beam.
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I got a bit of time in my shop yesterday and cleaned up my 2nd attempt of a 58” fhlb . Am i reading this right ? Right limb pos approx 1/4”. I am in way better shape than my first attempt. :biglaugh: [ You are not allowed to view attachments ] [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
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You need to measure with a ruler from the string to the end of each riser to get the tiller measurement. Just like measuring for the brace height.
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Over here it’s been a long hunting season with lots of hunting and not much killing and the shop was a wreck, so I spent the day cleaning up and I’m motivated to get some bows built as soon as the season ends.
Jon, your messy shop is tidier than my organized shop! :tongue:
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Buggs, I guess looking back at the pic it probably wasn’t as bad as it felt.
I just know for me, when the rip fence feels like a windshield wiper for the table it’s time for me to organize. :cheesy:
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Wow Jon! Thats impressive.... I haven't seen my whole table saw off fall table in years... Well that's not completely true. i did run some sheet goods and had it clean for a day.... :biglaugh:
I feel pretty good when i can see my floor, and walk around without tripping over things. Organized chaos is about as close as i ever get. :bigsmyl:
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Kirk, pictures of your shop make me happy. It's obvious you have embraced and thrive amid chaos.
I'm happy if I can take more than two steps without having to move sideways, step over something, or duck.
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Are you guys bragging again? :laughing:
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Small tip. I have spring clamps that have a heavy bite, but I wanted more pressure so this is what I came up with. I inserted a small piece of hard wood under one of the steel arms and that worked fine. Now I can barely open them with one hand. :goldtooth:
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I did sort some wood yesterday and took some inventory for the bow building/swap thread this year. Got some nice wood. Will post up later and see what people think for combos.
I did get to try out my Festool sander and vac yesterday. Wife wants her butcher block counter tops redone. We sanded one and I was amazed. Litteraly NO SANDING DUST!
The dust removal on this system is absolutely unbelievable. I was pretty skeptical when I would watch the YouTube videos about how clean they were. They are correct!
Ken
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Bue that's a great idea.
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Roy we don't have to hit the lottery for that clamp
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Nope, all we gotta do is buy a special chunk of wood off Bue:)
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Well, I used East Indian Rosewood so it won’t be cheap.
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Ah crap, that's the wood that messed me up 10 years ago...
And now this purple heart wood is messing me up, I might not be able to finish this bow I'm working on.
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i've got a serious alergic reation to zebra wood now. have had it for 5 years now. makes me sneeze not stop until my eyes are watering... im talking 20-30 sneezes. bout blew my mustache off a couple times, and had to quit working with the stuff.... :biglaugh:
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Leopard wood got me. Like poison oak. Even the inside of my mouth where I breathed the dust burnt...
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I'm curious, do any of you guys with wood allergies have a reaction to any domestic wood, or is it all tropical hardwoods?
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I'm curious, do any of you guys with wood allergies have a reaction to any domestic wood, or is it all tropical hardwoods?
Walnut slight headache, yew splitting headache, using dust collection also. No rashes or skin probs like coco does me...
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The last few days I haven’t been able to spend much time working on the bow because of my back there’s a fine line when you’re taking pain meds and working with power tools to keep it safe .
Since I started this bow building, I’ve read so much about the health hazards of fibreglass and certain woods that I automatically wear my respirator , gloves, long sleeve shirt when I’m working in my shop , slowly getting used to it .
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The only way I'll be able to finish this bow with the purple heart in it will be to wear a lot of personal protection gear cause it's messed me up twice now and takes a week or longer to recover..
What I hate most is my goggles always fog up when wearing a mask over my mouth and nose and then I can't see what I am doing..
The only wood that bothers me is the tropical exotic oily ones.
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It was Pau Ferro that I first became allergic to. It made me itch. Then I noticed that some other woods were beginning to affect me as well, so I bought a powered respirator. I learned that once you become allergic to one kind of wood, it’s a matter of time until you become allergic to others.
The 3M respirator is great. It’s got a full face guard that’s strong enough to be a safety shield for working on a lathe and it blows cool air over your face to prevent fogging. It also feels good on a hot day.
Dave.
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I have a 3M respirator, an older version of this one; [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
It's not powered, but the incoming air passes by your face. Never get any sweat fog. It's not too heavy either, with the P100 dust discs. Other nice thing is I can wear glasses with it on. Thats become critical as the years pass!
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What's the model #...
I'll check into them.
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Mine is a 6800. Noticed they have gotten expensive since I bought mine :o
If you do get one, be sure to get the silicone model. The other plastic ones they make are not very comfortable and don't seal as well on your face.
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Thanks Philip.
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Mine is the 3M Versaflo PAPR. ( powered air purifying respirator). It was expensive when I bought it, but now the price is nuts. I’m glad that I bought it when I did.
For me it was a choice between continuing my woodworking or giving it up.
There is another powered respirator by Trend. It’s a lot cheaper, but all the mechanics are in the helmet rather than on a belt.
Dave.
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Thanks Dave
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Got this one on the way. I didn't want to spend hundreds of dollars on a power mask. I just need something to cover my entire face cause it just gets burnt to hell and back from bad wood dust.
It is made from silicone.
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Roy that will work good. Can you get more filters ??
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Yes...
Plus it comes with extras.
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That looks perfect Roy :thumbsup: I was checking out the helmet wood carver has, looks really nice, but you got to drop some cash for that unit!
Now you just need a Tyvek suit and head condom :biglaugh:
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You will look like one of them stormtroopers in the Star War movies.
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I'll take a selfie when I'm all geared up.
Just gotta talk Kenny into sending me his fancy smancy sweat pants.
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I'll take a selfie when I'm all geared up.
Just gotta talk Kenny into sending me his fancy smancy sweat pants.
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Now Roy , they ain't got no belt loops and we can't have them fallin down on ya when you take a pic... :o
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what is that part # ROY
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PM sent Max..
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Thanks :thumbsup:
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Roy from PA
Master Bowyer Extraordinaire!
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That works:)
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I haven't seen Roy look that good in years. :laughing: :laughing:
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I want to know where I can get my Tyvek suits monogramed :thumbsup: I've been known to forget which hat I'm wearing :saywhat:
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Had to grind some G-10 this morning, so I thought I would share a selfie of my dedicated glass grinding uniform with you folks. Got the idea from Sam Harper (thanks). Wood dust does not bother me, but glass makes me break out in a rash that burns for days. The head condom and gloves get washed after every use and I have to take a cool shower after each session. Sucks in the winter time.
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Looks like I got possessed by Forrest G. :help:
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I thought I was ugly:)
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Damn, I knew something was missing!
And it looks like I have some gaposis around the neck :scared:
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Now this is pretty:)
Got it today, think I'm gonna like it...
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Damn, I knew something was missing!
And it looks like I have some gaposis around the neck :scared:
Yup ya do, not the only place ya gots a gap:)
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Now this is pretty:)
Got it today, think I'm gonna like it...
Oh ya, thats a doozie. I think anybody wearing one of these is going to look like a space program reject :biglaugh:
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Now this is pretty:)
Got it today, think I'm gonna like it...
Hi, my name is Roy and I'm 174 years old!
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LOL Mike
I feel 174 at times.
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Hope those filters are fart proof... :laughing:
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They are equipped wif a 12 volt fart arrestor.
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Dem filters don't work on methane :bigsmyl:
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Nope but they kill them beer farts purty good:)
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Hope those filters are fart proof... :laughing:
Well, since you brought up the subject, there is one little flaw with the 3M unit. The air pump and filter are worn on a belt behind the user…
Dave. 🤔
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I hear they banned those 3M units in Linneus , Mo. due to spreading of nuclear fall out:)
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We have some wicked air here at times... :biglaugh:
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In all seriousness, I bought the powered unit because I have a hard time breathing through regular filters. I have a respirator at work that I used to use when I changed out drums of two part foam. I’m glad that we got rid of that stuff. I worked hard to breathe through that thing.
The cool air flow feels good too. It also has replacement plastic lens covers that protect the main lens. When they get scratched or dirty, you peel them off and put on a new one. The entire unit is safety rated for impact and you can attach hearing protection to it. I really like it for wood turning.
Dave.
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Guess I lucked out. Ever since my last case of covid my farts don't stink. 😀
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Are you sure that you haven’t just lost your sense of smell?
Dave.
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Spent the last 30 minutes trying to relog in for the year. What a pain in the butt. I'm back. JF
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Are you sure that you haven’t just lost your sense of smell?
Dave.
Wouldn't be the first sense I've lost! :biglaugh:
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I layed out a trade point on steel. Never did this before. Trying to keep it simple and effective. More as it progresses.
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Nice Mike
Tell us about the knife.
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Nice Mike
Tell us about the knife.
That was a Christmas gift from a grandson. Bone handle. Blade made from a file. It's going to be the new elk skinner. :) he got it from a private museum in Montana that was closing their doors.
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Awesome..
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Cool knife, nice gift too :thumbsup:
Looks like it's got potential to unleash some ancient bacteria and or viruses with the addition of some fresh blood :scared: The grandson in your will? ;)
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😆
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Are you going to put a helical twist to it? Heat it up a bit perhaps?
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Roughed out one head. Needs a little clean up before heat treatment.
What material did you make that out of?
Mark
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I'm curious also? I would guess O1, it's easy to harden.
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I'd be concerned about that needle point that it might bend if a bone is hit. I usually add a Tanto style point(I think that's what it's called). If I can find a pic I'll post it.
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Tanto point
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I'm curious also? I would guess O1, it's easy to harden.
A2 steel is also good. Air quench to harden, no messy oil.
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A2 steel is also good. Air quench to harden, no messy oil.
Thats for sure. S7 is awesome also, especially for broad heads. But these fancy tool steels are a bit fiddy to heat treat properly. I can't imagine treating them without a temperature controlled oven with ramp/soak function.
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This is a single bevel Abowyer that I made a Tanto point on. I not only make the point blunter but also sharpen both sides of the point on both sides of the head. With a single bevel and Tanto point if you hit a bone the point rotates splitting the bone instead of just sticking in and is less apt to bending.
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Single or double bevel?
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The steel is 1075. I tested hardening a scrap piece using a propane torch and brine quench. A file slides over it without a mark. I'll use canola oil for future quenching.
Not decided on the tempering temp yet but maybe 500*f.
Pat, I planned on a single bevel but at .100 thick it might not work. I'll try it though. That's what this one is all about. Agree on that needle point! I'm also thinking about wrap. I don't have sinew and artificial sinew truly doesn't have much resemblance to the characteristics of the real thing. Silk??
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Keep at it Michael 👍🏼
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Have fun Mike...
Keep us posted..
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I like it! What thickness is that?
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Mike, any strong, thin thread will work. Once set in glue the resulting wrap is stronger then the two parts separately. You don't want a bulky wrap though or it will impede penetration.
If you want to try sinew I'll be happy to send you some. :thumbsup:
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Kenny, it's .100. I think a little too thick.
Pat, thanks for your generous offer. I think I'll go with the silk. Got quite a bit of it in the fly tying kit.
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Pat B that is an awesome looking point!
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Kenneth, I really like those Abowyer trade points and with the addition of the Tanto point they are awesome.
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S7/bearcat is really good for shock
Longcruise 500 in Moms oven, sand it shiny and Bake it in the Oven.
I've done this many times on small parts with a color chart, no big deal
Cutting torch or rosebud tip for heat treating and bake for temper.
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A2 steel is also good. Air quench to harden, no messy oil.
Thats for sure. S7 is awesome also, especially for broad heads. But these fancy tool steels are a bit fiddy to heat treat properly. I can't imagine treating them without a temperature controlled oven with ramp/soak function.
1 hour for every 1" of thickness
I would use S7 for points and I would shape them to a point after tempering on a bench grinder dunking them in water every second of grinding.
Using a torch with that small point would over heat treat the tip
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I like to shape S7 on a belt grinder and then finalize the edge on a wet grinder after heat treating. Actually I do that with all tool steels.
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Max, good charts. I'll go with 500.
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Worked great and didn't fog up..
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Some Beano and a fan will take care of that Roy. No need to go buy a mask :laughing:
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Not done much lately, but trilam RD is coming along. A bit more adjusting and okay.
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Looks real nice, Bue..
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Shop smells like flowers today, grinding Sonokeling Rosewood and Bubinga.
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Hopefully getting over the flu I've had since last Sunday. I rarely get sick and this has really kicked my butt. Can't figure where I got it. I always wear a mask when shopping and have hand sanitizer in both vehicles I use when I get out of any store and wash my hands as soon as I get home. I think I'm on the mend now if I could only get a good nights sleep and the constant headache would subside. :dunno:
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Hopefully getting over the flu I've had since last Sunday. I rarely get sick and this has really kicked my butt. Can't figure where I got it. I always wear a mask when shopping and have hand sanitizer in both vehicles I use when I get out of any store and wash my hands as soon as I get home. I think I'm on the mend now if I could only get a good nights sleep and the constant headache would subside. :dunno:
You have that new variation.. I had it back early December. Missed 3 days of work.
Miserable headache, that last even after your body starts feeling better.
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Hope ya feel better soon Pat.
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thanks guys. I never get sick so that's what so aggravating. Oh well, I think I'm on the mend somewhat.
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Well wishes to you bruth Pat.... I'm one of those guys that rarely get sick too, but when i do get a bug, i'm not a very good sick person at all. So i can relate.... Get well soon. Kirk
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Thanks Kirk. When I do get sick just leave me alone but take care of me. :saywhat: :readit:
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I feel your pain Pat. I got Covid the day of Thanksgiving down for a week then healed up for a few days then got the Flu. Then Ended up with Bronchitis Christmas week thru New Years.. That Shit sucked! Dislocated a rib coughing. What a year!
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We had a cold virus that lasted 3 weeks for me and 5 weeks for the wife.
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There is all kind of crazy $h!t floating around out there. I'm usually pretty good at protecting myself when I'm out in public but even that isn't a guarantee.
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You guy's are validating my hermit lifestyle, Thanks!
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Ditto dat! :shaka:
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Pat, have you done a covid test. Your description of symptoms is a close match to mine when I had covid in December.
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I tested myself back in the early December twice came up positive for covid. Probably why I was knocked down hard for 3 days when normally. I'm only maybe down for a day with any sickness. I thought it was odd that I was feeling that crappy.
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I did test myself for CoVid and it was negative. I had no respiratory symptoms with are usual with CoVid, a respiratory disease. That's why I think it is a variety of the flu. I have had 2 Moderna vaccines, 3 Moderna booster shots, I have gotten a flu shot(old folks version) for the last 10 or more years and both of the pneumonia vaccine shots. I ware a mask whenever I go inside a business or where people congregate and keep alcohol hand sanitizers in both vehicles and wash my hands when I get home. Apparently not even all that precaution totally prevents viruses from doing their job. I'm 72 years old. The vast majority of deaths due to CoVid are folks over 65 years old. I have never minded wearing a mask and didn't mind getting any of these shots or taking these precautions because my life and my family, friends and neighbors lives are important to me.
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My wife had it at the same time. We both got the drive thru PRC (or is it PCR) test at the same time. I was positive and she was negative. A day later I teste her again at home and she was positive.
We have both had three shots of Moderna but covid didn't give a hoot! :biglaugh:
I'm 76 and healthier than I deserve to be. She is 75 with several co morbidities. I was done with it in five days. She struggled with after effects for a month. Neither of us had any respiratory effects though.
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Yikes!
Me? I'm more worried about getting chronic wasted disease, than covid 19!
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Yikes!
Me? I'm more worried about getting chronic wasted disease, than covid 19!
Ah chit, stop and think about how many times ya been wasted:)
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Theres always CWA (Chronic Wasters Anonymous)
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My wife had it at the same time. We both got the drive thru PRC (or is it PCR) test at the same time. I was positive and she was negative. A day later I teste her again at home and she was positive.
We have both had three shots of Moderna but covid didn't give a hoot! :biglaugh:
I'm 76 and healthier than I deserve to be. She is 75 with several co morbidities. I was done with it in five days. She struggled with after effects for a month. Neither of us had any respiratory effects though.
Both my wife and I got sicker than a dog in January right before the big Covid announcement was made…. We always wondered if if that was Covid or not that we had. What ever it was it was bad enough to put us both in bed for a week….. but…..we haven’t been sick since…. (Crossing fingers and toes…)
We’ve had all the shots and boosters since then. But now they say we need another one??? I’m no so sure I want anymore of that crap in my system.
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I recently finished a give away bow. To be given away at KY. Tradfest this year.It is 60 in. 43@ 28. If anyone would like chances PM me. There will be two bows one is a Herway. All chances will be in the same pot so you could win one or the other. The Herway is 66 [email protected] will try to get pics of it soon.
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Very nice, Mike.
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Thx Roy
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Great looking bow :thumbsup: The Maple and Walnut look real good together.
Thats one hell of a nice giveaway, good on you!
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handsome looking bow Mike... Someone will be pleased with that i'm sure. :thumbsup: Are they doing a raffle? I did that at Baltimore a couple times. Kirk
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yeah a raffle and the proceeds go to KY. high school archery program.
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Making a new DR glass. Riser us Bocote with a Jatoba I beam. Limbs are edge grain Elm, had some with greenish stripes. Uni Weft and Bjorn clear glass.
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Bue, where do you put your uniweft?
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I put it going up the ramps on the belly of riser with a tapered wood lam and glass outside that. On back of riser is two parallel wood lams and glass.
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Well, the first bow I built, which was definitely a great learning process but the Tiller got away from me so in a bit of frustration lol I hung it on the wall .I was pretty proud of myself. I took it off the wall after giving up and thought the only way to learn is to getatter , It was 3/4 of an inch out of tiller, I did eventually get it to even tiller lost a bit of weight but I now have a bow that shoots pretty damn good then I built this 58 inch same design , thank you Kenny .I never have liked the looks of thumb rests, but I do like the feel in the grip so I played around with this idea to try and make it blend In a little better. Gonna tweak it next time but I think it turned out ok i used the site window cut out so the laminations look like they flow through the thumb rest. The bow shoots real nice they’re both ready for finish. I didn’t really want to build strings right now but north of the border They want $50 a string so I decided I better learn and built myself a jig. And now working on my first take down long bow riser black walnut with a figured maple I-beam, and a simple maple wenge accent stripe. Lol I flipped all these pictures 360 and they still came out sideways sorry!
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Very nice...
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I like that sculptural riser - very nice :thumbsup:
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Bow looks great! $50 for a string!!?? I'll make you one for $30. :goldtooth:
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Thanks Buggs would that happen to be 30 Canadian ? :biglaugh:
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Nice job Bryan!
Good to see you brought that tough one out of it! :thumbsup:
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I put it going up the ramps on the belly of riser with a tapered wood lam and glass outside that. On back of riser is two parallel wood lams and glass.
I like the shape of those limbs a lot... It looks very close to my Flatliner design. What amount of taper rate are you using, and tip to tip of fade length on the riser? I'll bet that one turns out to be a hooter shooter! :thumbsup:
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Sexy looking sculptured riser Canstikem....You are an artist! :clapper: Hopefully those risers are stiff enough not to flex too much, or they will crack at the back of the shelf from compression. Lighter draw weights will most likely be fine...
I'm not trying to rain on your parade bro....Good looking workmanship. But I had some heart breaking experience with those thin shaped shelf ledges /thumb ledges similar to that a few times. I was trying something fancy, and had to quit doing it.
I wish you the best of luck on longevity.... Kirk
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Being those risers have the belly glass running thru them I think they will be fine.
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I didn't notice that belly glass running through the riser. Crooked stick is right. That should stiffen things up nicely and help with compression fractures. You should be fine.....Kirk
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Tillering a RD glass bow, this drives me nuts sometimes.
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Have to ask Roy again. :banghead:
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I thought maybe you moved to Australia, Bue. :laughing:
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Bue, ya gotta lay off the additive in the morning coffee:)
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Went to cut cedar trees out of my CRP , lost my cell phone somewhere in grass and weeds knee to waist high. :banghead:
Still looking , but if anyone needs me they gonna have to email for now...
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Can someone call your number? I lost mine one time when cutting a Xmas tree. Luckily a woman came by.
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Yes, but when I went to Dr. this morning I put it on silent while in the office and forgot to change it. :banghead:
Still will vibrate but not much chance of hearing it...
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Oh boy.....
Would one of the dogs track it down for ya?
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Zwickey finds arrows for me but all she does if pause a second. You gotta know roughly where the arrow is and watch like a hawk.
Renee has already picked up a new one, mine was not charging properly and I reckon 5 +/- years old...
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Don't suppose a metal detector would be much good in the tall grass??
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Its somewhere in about 3-4 acres.
Brandon said there is a find my fone app, but Renee has already gotten the new one so I'm supposing it would just find that one.
I didn't even know they had an app that will gps you right to your fone. Wonder how ya do that when your fone is lost??? :biglaugh:
Ah well, I was needin a new one , but being a tightwad I wanted to use this one up...
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I've been texting my ass off since ya lost it...
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5.5 years, that's antique stuff.
Yer gonna need some training..
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I'll answer yer arse when I get this new improved, easyforkidstouse fone. May be a couple months tho to figger it out... :laughing:
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Do you remember when a phone had a dial . It was hard to loose it.
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You being picked on buy a guy that can't even build a gwass bow :biglaugh:
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Heck Kenny's first fone had a crank on dah side of it...
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Do you remember when a phone had a dial . It was hard to loose it.
You mean like this?
https://skysedge.com/unsmartphones/RUSP/index.html
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Betcha never seen a dial cell phone before...
:goldtooth:
Mark
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Almost back with new fone, just gotta figger out how to get pics back. Never used email on old one and have no idea of the email addy . Need it to get to the cloud .
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Aren't all your pichers carved in stone or on cave walls?
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A lot of em are, at least I can find those. They aint in some mythical cloud somewhere... :laughing:
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Ya sure yer fone hain't in the sock drawer?:)
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Do you remember when a phone had a dial . It was hard to loose it.
Follow da line :bigsmyl:
I remember a party line when I was a pup, I would pick up the phone and listen to other people
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Ya we did too, neighbor lady was gabbing and I picked up fone and gave ‘‘em a good raspberry. She called me by name , I was terrified !! Lol
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WTH, I can remember that but not my password ! :biglaugh:
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That's cause ya only remember the good times:)
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When we moved to Bluffton, SC in 1978 our phone number has 4 digits, 3804, no prefix and I remember party lines when I was a kid. Actually Alexander Graham Bell made his second call to me. :laughing:
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We had the old crank phone ,with a special ring that was yours. and eaves droppers. Later we shoked fish with it :laughing:
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Sanding riser outdoors, mild weather.
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Nice Bue, it's 25 degrees here...
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Sharp looking bow! I love working outside when its not too cold, or too hot! 40-60 deg is perfect (4-15C)
Did you know "Celsius" was a Sweede?
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It’s warm and sunny here as well. My buddy and I are planning to saw some maple and walnut logs this afternoon.
Dave.
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The dog and I had a good morning. These damn things are a load to haul out on your shoulder.
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John, you need a harness and wagon for your dog to help carry the wood back to your vehicle. :thumbsup:
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Pat, That’s what my buddy said. He always had pulling horses. Said he didn’t have any rigging that small. Ended up taking 8 trips in and out to get everything. Luckily it was only about 300 yards in.
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That dog was so happy to be out working! I'm sure it was worth all your effort just to make her (?) happy :)
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I say that this one is good now.
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I guess it's ok:)
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Looks good from here.
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Finished up a Damascus chef blank for Renee for Valentines Day .
I like to give stuff with a purpose , not some trinket . :)
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That’s an extremely nice knife Kenny, well done !
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Nice Bue :bigsmyl:
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Sharp looking knife Kenny! :thumbsup:
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Very nice Kenny!
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Very nice Kenny.
Ya better not piss her off now:)
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Damn! Thats a nice gift. My wife does not even get a cheesy card and some bad chocolates anymore, since the"K" closed in town.
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I quit buying cards long ago, buy something to get tossed? So I buy something useful (I hope) :biglaugh:
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Very nice Kenny. You prolly like me with a ton of scale wood.
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Thanks guys
Yup way lots of leftover stuff !
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Very good Looking knife
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https://youtube.com/shorts/JsIrNKwyLTQ?feature=share
Testing new Carbon
60" Bow at 36" draw with 40#@28"
Did not Blow Up, yet.
Also playing around with "Panzerholz".
Ugly as hell, but weight and stability like Micarta
https://youtube.com/shorts/0OpKfxjIGGY?feature=share
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Not much going on so I’ll post a few pics, almost ready for finish.
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Well, one came out right way anyway, :knothead:
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Finest kind, Bue.
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Nice Bue :thumbsup:
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Very nice Bue!
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Ditto! :thumbsup:
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I got an unexpected birthday present from my sister.
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She painted these for me. 😁
Dave.
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Will look nice on a wall.
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Cut some wood for the bow swap. Finally got my new sawmill setup and ready to go! Cut some ash.
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Nice Hillbilly
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Thats some nice art you got for a gift, Dave :thumbsup:
Nice sawmill Hillbilly! Like to have you for a neighbor :goldtooth:
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Thats some nice art you got for a gift, Dave :thumbsup:
Nice sawmill Hillbilly! Like to have you for a neighbor :goldtooth:
Thanks. I really like them.
That sawmill is likely to become an addiction. Next thing, you’ll be starting to look at bigger ones, because you’ll want to cut bigger logs. Don’t ask how I know this…😊
Dave.
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Today, Marcia and I are celebrating 45 years of marriage. Boy, time does fly when you are having fun. :bigsmyl:
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Congratulations Pat. 🎊🎊🎊
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Congrats! That's a pretty good run!
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Congratulations to you and yours ! :clapper:
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Congrats Pat!! :thumbsup:
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Congratulations! :clapper:
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Gratulerer Pat.
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Today, Marcia and I are celebrating 45 years of marriage. Boy, time does fly when you are having fun. :bigsmyl:
:thumbsup: :bigsmyl:
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Today, Marcia and I are celebrating 45 years of marriage. Boy, time does fly when you are having fun. :bigsmyl:
Congrats Pat! My wife and I hit 40 years together last fall. Kind of a roller coaster ride if ya ask me. :biglaugh:
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I spent day 4 studying way more about troubleshooting a gas furnace than I ever wanted too.
My shop heater has been kicking out a high temp roll out switch and will not stay running more than 5 minutes, and it’s just too damn cold out there to get anything done without heat. So all my projects have been on hold why I try and figure this out…. I’m too cheap to get a technician out here. Besides that, they are too busy to mess with a little shop heater, and swamped keeping people’s furnaces running. I call two different shops after hitting a brick wall….
But….. I did have a real nice guy call me back a couple days ago and spent some time on the phone with me going though the trouble shooting process. I had to purchase a manometer to check the gas flow pressures and call him back today.
This one was tough one one to pin down, but it looks like my heat exchange unit has a crack in it. When the fan comes on, one of my flames is fluttering just enough to push too much heat back into the manifold box and trip the roll out sensor…..
Good news is…. The $200 part is covered under warranty, and is on its way… The bad news is I’m going to have to pretty much tear the whole heater apart to replace the heat exchanger…..
Not what I call a fun project…. But what’s a guy to do? I need heat to work out there…. I’ve been down for a week now messing with this dad burn thing. Kirk
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If your like me I was gonna cut a big hog last year and installed a 50 thousand BTU gas heater because gas was cheap to use. Well our gas company got sold to new owners. And everyone's heating cost have went up 30 percent in two years. So for no more bows than I build it is not worth the extra $$$ to heat the shop every day.
Thought about a wood burner but they won't insure it with that. :dunno:
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Congratulations on your staying power Pat.
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Congrats, Pat..
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If your like me I was gonna cut a big hog last year and installed a 50 thousand BTU gas heater because gas was cheap to use. Well our gas company got sold to new owners. And everyone's heating cost have went up 30 percent in two years. So for no more bows than I build it is not worth the extra $$$ to heat the shop every day.
Thought about a wood burner but they won't insure it with that. :dunno:
The area I heat is about 24 x 24’ with a 10’ ceiling. Non insulated pole barn, with a wood floor. Having that wood floor makes a huge difference alone… my whole work area is actually 24 x 36’, but I use an arctic curtain to keep the heat in a smaller area…..
I put in an 80K BTU forced air Mr Heater Big Maxx, and it does the job as well as my wood stove ever did and is cheaper to run, and a hell of a lot less work involved than cutting and handling firewood. My average propane cost is about $150 a month from November through March running it about 7-8 hours a day. But…. When we get those stretches of really cold weather, I don’t log as many hours out there either….
The trick is heating it up to at least 60-65 degrees every day. All the wood in the shop holds the heat even at night and it’s usually 10 degrees warmer in the morning than outside temp. I rarely see it get below freezing in the heated portion out there, and I shut it down at 7 pm each day. Kirk
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Kirk, I bought a drywall heater that a Sheetrock guys use to heat rooms & houses for drying mud. It is made by a heating outfit in Medford. Basically a commercial fan blower unit with heating coils. About 33”c 33” x 4’ tall. It has a programmable digital Thermostat on it. Heats my shop to 70* in about an hour and is quiet. Runs off 220. Works great and not that costly to run.
Kirk here are pics and sticker info in the 220v shop/ Drywall heater. Sorry abour the late reply.
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Mine is Mr. Heater also The walls insulatef good but only the eves stuffed no ceiling.24x26
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Kirk, I bought a drywall heater that a Sheetrock guys use to heat rooms & houses for drying mud. It is made by a heating outfit in Medford. Basically a commercial fan blower unit with heating coils. About 33”c 33” x 4’ tall. It has a programmable digital Thermostat on it. Heats my shop to 70* in about an hour and is quiet. Runs off 220. Works great and not that costly to run.
I wouldn’t mind getting the specs on that rig Gary. See what kind of amps it pulls , btu output, and where to buy one.
There are times when the propane prices jump up, it might be better using a small electric furnace cost wise…. Thanks for sharing this.
I’m still waiting for my new heat exchanger to arrive, but went down and got some brass fittings to plumb in my big 100,000 btu cannon heater…. Going to do that tomorrow. I really don’t like the noise it makes. Sounds like a jet engine running.
But…. Heats that shop up in 20 minutes no problem. It also sucks a lot of propane in a hurry.
I’d settle for warmer weather, so I can work out there without the heat…. Maybe do some spring chinook fishing too without freezing my bloody arse off. Kirk
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Today I worked on turning a cheap old carpenters hatchet of my grandfathers into something like a carving axe/hatchet. Lots of deep pitting on one side, so I did the unthinkable and removed the patina :biglaugh: Reshaped the head a bit as well. I don't think he'd have minded the more 'viking' look. Carved the handle out of a chunk of hickory that was left over from the last bow. Needs a completely redone bevel and possibly heat treating. Whatever the mess of a bevel is now, it was likely put on there with a bench grinder. Once its hung and sharpened I think it's gonna turn out nice!
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Nice bearded ax you are making there. :thumbsup:
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Thankya Pat, been a fun project so far. I really like the look of bearded axes, thought about removing the hammer head completely, but I like the extra weight/balance it gives the head. Short and relatively hefty for its size, should make a good controllable chopper/carver to help rough out all that osage :goldtooth:
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and with the bearded head you can choke up on the handle to get better control for more detailed work. :thumbsup:
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Just finished up a bow for the Iowa Bowhunters Association banquet. They will be auctioning of tickets for it.
Now I can get back on the swap bow, hopefully.
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Very nice well done Jon !
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Beautiful bow, Jon. :thumbsup:
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Awesome job Jon!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Nice one for sure.
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I did some splitting, grinding and chopping. No not wood. Lol
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Lookin good! That little die cutter deal looks like it does a great job. I gotta come up with something better than scissors for the next batch I do :biglaugh:
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The chopper works great for what I want.
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Chopper
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Pretty slick, is that a little piece of foam or rubber near the blade to hold the feather in place?
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Pretty slick, is that a little piece of foam or rubber near the blade to hold the feather in place?
yes it has a soft spongy foam that helps keep it in place. For me one good blow with a rubber hammer usually does the trick
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Very cool, probably a lot less stink than burning them with one of the heated wire types lol...
Got the hatchet done, minus sharpening. Little piece of scrap walnut and the ground-down head of an old masonry nail for the wedges :biglaugh:
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I knew an old roofer that used one of those for cedar shakes back in the days before everything went to nail guns and staplers. I used to have one myself but I think it got lost on a camping trip years ago. I haven’t seen it in a long time.
You rarely see a cedar shake roof any more. Used to be popular in Oregon for many years. Kirk
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The house I grew up in actually had cedar siding, kind of like those roof shakes. Metal roof though... "House" may be a bit strong of a word... It was actually an old barn my father turned into a home. :biglaugh: But I now have a perfect excuse for leaving doors open, because YES, I did grow up in a barn.
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Thanks guys.
Jeff, I’ve thought about grinding feathers like you are doing but never took the time see how it’s done. Do you have any pick of the jug you use to hold the feathers for grinding?
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Let me see if I can find my dimension pictures that I drew up. Hang on
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Thanks guys.
Jeff, I’ve thought about grinding feathers like you are doing but never took the time see how it’s done. Do you have any pick of the jug you use to hold the feathers for grinding?
I made a jig at one time that you clamped feather in and ground the base and side of base on the drill press.
Let me look and if you want it, it's yours. It worked good but I really don't have time to mess with it , I send mine to get ground in exchange for the other side wing feathers.
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Here's my dimension's
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The exchange guy for the site that you do want. Todd Peterson, Yes he does an excellent job. But sometimes I just have a few that I want to do my own. My jig is not like Todd's. Takes a little bit more time but it works great. I would like to make a jig like Todd has
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I made a jig at one time that you clamped feather in and ground the base and side of base on the drill press.
Let me look and if you want it, it's yours. It worked good but I really don't have time to mess with it , I send mine to get ground in exchange for the other side wing feathers.
I'm not 100% sure I would spend the time on it either. But, I do like to know how things are done. I appreciate the offer, I'll have you send it with my next order of materials if you still have it at that time. Or......if I'm lucky enough to be your victim, you can send it with that sweet bow. :goldtooth:
Thanks
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That’ll work !
I actually was able to lower prices on color Gordon glass today , just got some in at a better price and passing it on … :thumbsup:
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4 lam ELB Hickory, Wenge, Hickory, Ipe glued up and cleaned on the sides.One inch backsvipe. Total taper .008.
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3 lam RD Hickory,European Walnut, Ipe with a 17 inch Merbau powerlam. When I use spring clamps going in both direction the heatbox I use for airhose is to narrow so I place it on top with lid off. Cover with blankets :goldtooth:
There is a flanged tube heater in the bottom of the box so it do not get too hot, but I keep an eye on it.
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Bue,
How thick are your Ipe belly lams on those bows?
Mark
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ELB 5,5 mm at thickest point.
RD 6,4 mm at thickest point
Both have a .003 taper
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Always nice Bue :saywhat:
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Looking good Bue. :thumbsup:
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That's gonna be another beautiful bow bue!
I went back to working on my 2nd hickory self bow, while taking a break from debarking/sapwood'ing osage :biglaugh:
I'm liking the overall look of the design so far. Floor tiller is done so I think I may toast it now.
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Hickory bow looks nice, what do you use for toasting?
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Well I've thought about doing it over a long pit of coals but I haven't dug a pit and its snowing today :biglaugh: I'll probably just use the heat gun. I saw some pics of a fixture someone made for the process a while back. It was a stand that held the gun a set distance above the bow and could slide down the length... That sounds like it might be the way to go.
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3 lam RD Hickory,Walnut,Ipe and Merbau powerlam. Riser is strips of Elm and one Purpleheart. Came out too heavy, needs some grinding.
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Saw this bad boy on my way to the shop yesterday.
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Saw this bad boy on my way to the shop yesterday.
Cool
Mississippi has 4 Reservoir's and all have Eagles :thumbsup:
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We have a lot of Bald eagles up here on the Mississippi in Iowa. Some days below the dams you could see 40 or more.
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We have a lot of Bald eagles up here on the Mississippi in Iowa. Some days below the dams you could see 40 or more.
Cool
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We have a mating pair around here. Lived here for 32 years and they were the first I've seen here. We have large lakes(for here) above and below us and I'm guessing they are nesting at one of these lakes. Glad to see them making a great comeback. :thumbsup:
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Well this is actually what I dove into yesterday, and will continue to do today. My Big Maxx heater has been giving me fits for quite some time, and rather than getting an HVAC tech out here to work on it, I chose troubleshooting via you tube….
Talk about a rabbit hole…. After a week or two of studying, and watching countless videos. I slowly eliminated all the possibilities and ran into a brick wall…. I finally contacted a gas furnace tech hoping I could get him to come look at it. But after our conversation, and I explained in detail everything I had checked, he told me that i obviously had a crack in my heat exchanger, and it would need to be replaced.
Well the good news is…. That $200 heat exchanger was covered under warranty, and they sent one to me without even charging me for shipping.
The bad news is…. You have to pretty much tear the whole furnace apart to get this heat exchanger out. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
So that’s where I’m at right now. I have the old heat exchanger out, and will begin reassembling it today…. But….. and there are always those butts in life….
There is a gasket I do not have that goes between the air circulation fan and the heat exchanger. The old gasket came apart when I took it off.
Now I need to find some gasket material that will seal this fan to the heat exchanger, and be able to hold up to 200 degree plus temps…. I haven’t a clue where to find it either….
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https://www.amazon.com/Permatex-81160-High-Temp-Silicone-Gasket/dp/B0002UEN1A
Your local Auto parts should have it.
should work :dunno:
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https://www.amazon.com/Permatex-81160-High-Temp-Silicone-Gasket/dp/B0002UEN1A
Your local Auto parts should have it.
should work :dunno:
Yup.... That's exactly what i just picked up. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Looking at the old heat exchanger and the carbon build up around those top two tubes, i'm thinking the old heat exchanger might not be cracked after all. it might have been a gasket failure and wasn't drawing the heat through evenly..... But.... i got the new one, so i'll put it in anyway......
Of course every rabbit hole you go down, you learn something..... If i would have known last week what i now now, I would have just pulled the fan first and checked it out..... Oh well... live and learn.
Kirk
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I haven’t been able to do anything lately in my shop I do have a couple of bows that I was working on but my back is just gotten worse so just waiting on surgery .... pretty excited though I believe it was just over a year ago before I started building bows I sold a couple of bows because they were just too heavy for me and for many years I’ve dreamed about ordering a bow from this man but just wasn’t able to make it work $$. I got the email saying my custom is in the spray booth now and should be on its way soon. Thank you Abe Penner ( Cari-bow ) 60” Taiga ex . Pretty excited to say the least now I just need my back fixed so I can shoot a moose with it this fall . :thumbsup:
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No need to say more.
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Dang that global warming , huh Joel? :biglaugh:
We had 12 * this morn and a half inch of snow. You made me feel better! :thumbsup:
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Always happy to boost morale! :goldtooth:
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We've only had a few slight flurries this winter, heck we've hardly had a winter. In February 23 days were above normal and some 15 to 20 degrees above with night time temps in the 40s or 50s. Out daffodils and flowering trees are almost over and it's not even spring yet for a few more days.
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I got my Big Maxx heater put back together a couple days ago and she runs like a champ now! Of course…. The last 3 days have been sunny and almost 60 degrees in the afternoon…. It figures.. :biglaugh:
The ironic part about this whole furnace fiasco was that while changing out the old heat exchanger with the new one, I found a bad gasket where the exhaust fan hooks up to the old heat exchanger, and after checking it out closely found no cracks or holes in the heat exchanger at all…. Makes me wish I would have pulled that fan motor first before ordering the new heat exchanger…. I honestly think that blown gasket was my problem……. Oh well…. Live and learn…
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We’re having light snow showers and wind today. I was out in the garage making a couple of awls and I felt pretty cold after a while. It seems like winter came in March this year. It’s supposed to be warmer next week.
Dave.
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Today I sanded with 600grit and sprayed my final 2 coats of high gloss epoxy. Now leave it alone until cured 👌
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Looks great Jeff!!
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Thank you Kenny 🙂
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Nice bow! Wild figure in that riser! :thumbsup:
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Hand picked Black and White Ebony. I beam, B and W and Magassar Ebony. I'm loving it 😀 JF
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Where are you coming up with black and white ebony? That stuff is hard to find, and damn expensive. kirk
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I got it from Big Jim a year and a half ago. He shared some of his private stock. I was looking for Wild and Jim came through. It was expensive 🫰. Well worth it to me. This is the most exotic expensive Longbow I've built. Because of the B and W ebony. JF
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68" 44#
1.56 physical weight. Very steady after the shot. Most of mine weigh in at 1.15 to 1.25
I was wanting heavier riser, with out going with G10 or Phenolic. It worked out great. JF
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It’s a beauty!
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This was a couple days ago but I didn't wanna jinx it.
Got the MRI and doc couldn't find anything so had me show him exactly where it hurt. He thought it was the sacroiliac joint. Said we could try a steroid shot and if it didn't help that would eliminate one thing.
Since it has hurt for over 2 years I was ready, so I said set it up. An hour later I was getting a needle in lower back. I'm not gonna lie, it hurt.
So far so good, hoping it continues to be good!!
Worked in shop today without hurtin...
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I really hope that helps you Kenny 👍🏼
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I just looked it up Kenny, sounds very painful 😣
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Good luck with that Kenny I do hope it works for you it can do wonders.... I took two injections two weeks ago into my L4&5 facet joints with little improvements . 😔 Keep on keepin on :thumbsup:
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Thanks guys , so far it’s great , hard to believe !!
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Thanks guys , so far it’s great , hard to believe !!
Awesome :thumbsup:
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Kenny, I have had problems with my lower back for the past 3 years. I had the shot into the L4/L5 area. First shot lasted 4 months, second one 6 months, then they seamed to be less effective. The 1 got last July lasted 4 days. Saw a surgeon in August and found I was full of arthritis in-between L4, L5 and S1. This was pinching nerves that ran through my right hip, knee and ankle. I could not stand for more than 5 minutes without my hip hurting so bad I had to sit. Pain went away in hip but then my right ankle would start hurting. This would latter subside. Funny thing my middle 3 toes were always numb occasionally tingling when the hip was hurting. I had surgery scheduled for October but my A1C was too high. Worked on the diabetes and got it down. Surgery set for November but got really ill the day before surgery. Rescheduled for late December but during the pre -op found I had a-fib. Had to see a cardiologist before surgery. I got the surgery on January 26th. After a couple of painful weeks of taking it easy the back is great. I can stand for hours and no pain walking. They scraped the arthritis out and there is only a small 3 inch scar. After not hunting at all last fall I am looking forward to spring turkey hunting. I have a friend who had 1 shot 4 years ago and his back is still good. Good luck with your back.
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Dang, Bill, mine wasn't nearly the ordeal you had. Xray and mri looked fine so he suggested the sacroiliac joint might be the prob. Said we could give it a steroid shot and see, I said lets go! 2 hours later we were on the way home and I could tell a difference just sitting in car.
3 days later still no pain, I'm elated!!
Steroid made my blood sugar raise, but doc told me that up front.
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That's great Kenny, hope it stays well.
I had one of those shots for the lower back but did not help at all.
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Had a back doc tell me about 5 years ago I needed non invasive surgery to remove anther against a nerve. Had symptoms of pain down right leg toe tingling and felt at times I had a golf ball in my shoe at my heel. I decided to to try a chiropractor and got it manageable pain wise but not perfect. Have had the shots in both shoulders and they only last for about six weeks. It's the Golden years :biglaugh:
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I've had back problems for over 30 years and it is a bulging disc between L4 and L5, I believe like most folks that work for a living. The last big episode I had took me 3 months to get over and about a month into it sciatica kicked in. The sciatica was the worst pain I've ever had in my life. When it first went out was the year we started building our house here in Brevard. We were living in Bluffton, SC then and Marcia came to the mountains to get the ball rolling with road building, well drilling, foundation excavation, etc, etc, etc. At the time my doctor sent me to an orthopedic surgeon and you guessed it he said I should have an MRI then surgery, without even laying a hand on me. When I told him we didn't have good insurance he said that physical therapy would do. Thank goodness I had bad insurance. Physical therapy and Yoga exercises did the trick. I occasionally get a twinge in my lower back. When that happens I take a few days off, lay on the couch with a heating pad and/or ice and take a few ibuprofen. That usually does the trick.
I've heard too many horror stories of folks that got surgery so I've stayed away from that. :thumbsup:
Glad you are doing better, Kenny.
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:thumbsup: That would be absolutely the last thing I'd do if then even.
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Well guys I don’t know what to tell you when the pain started in my left leg nine months ago while I was at work 35 years self-employed carpenter it got so bad 16 hours of screaming I ended up in the hospital shooting Dilaudid 26 days I spent there they gave me the option surgery or Physio and let the body heal itself I was scared shitless of surgery so of course I opted to let mother nature take its course I work hard at it since then after 7 1/2 months I thought things were coming along then out of nowhere I don’t know what happened but for the last five weeks it’s gotten much worse my MRI nine months ago showed herniated disc between L4 L5 spondylolysis which is a little bit of a shift in those two vertebrae’s might’ve happened when the herniation happened and a bit of narrowing of the openings where the nerves come through I believe it’s called stenosis well now it’s been nine months and I’m bedridden . Nerve pain down both legs now and excruciating low back pain if I stand more than 15 to 20 minutes so I lay in bed eating painkillers trying to keep myself sane thank God for my wonderful wife and my bird dog . :pray: i’ve literally tried everything that they have to offer in the city I live in I don’t have $150,000 to go out of the country I do have a well renowned surgeon I’m sorry to say it is hard to trust anybody these days but I can’t keep on living like I am now so waiting for the call for surgery not sure when it’s coming . So to all of you out there with back problems they didn’t tell us this shit when we decided to be a tradesmen I do wish nothing but the best for all of you . On a positive note I received my bow from Abe Penner ( Cari-bow) the other day I had ordered it before I got hurt it is simply stunning the workmanship that man does is incredible I’m blessed i’ll post a couple pictures when I get around to it take care of my friends have an absolutely beautiful day . Bryan
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Dang Bryan!! Hoping you can get fixed up up ! :pray:
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Years ago a friend gave me a book called "Dealing with Back Pain"(I think) by Dr. John Sarno. It really helped me understand about back pain, causes and remedies. If you can find this book it is an easy read and like I said it really helped me to deal with back pain. I just Googled Dr. John Sarno and apparently he has quite a few books on dealing with chronic pain.
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Thank you Pat I will check it out sorry guys that was kind of a long winded post and I do realize this isn’t the place :thumbsup: Take care my friends :archer2:
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If you're ok with slightly alternative medicine, check out the Alexander Technique. You can do it yourself but it is much better if you can go see a teacher and have some lessons. It changed my life, I used to get a lot of lower back, neck and shoulder pain and since taking lessons I can't remember the last time I had back pain. It's all about getting the body into to it's correct shape and resting it for short periods of time in a certain position as well as moving in better ways to prevent future damage/pain. It's also helped my chronic insomnia as well as other areas such as mental health.
There's no forcing/pushing/pulling like a physio/chiro and no drugs so it's VERY LOW impact.
Here's a link for the American Society for anyone interested https://www.amsatonline.org/aws/AMSAT/pt/sp/home_page (https://www.amsatonline.org/aws/AMSAT/pt/sp/home_page)
My teacher says to me every time I see him (I'm paraphrasing slightly):
what have you got to lose in trying something new? If it doesn't work you can always go back to way you were, and if it's better than that's excellent. If you don't try something new, how can you get change?
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Thank you for your suggestion it doesn’t look like there’s much information here in Canada. I think once the mechanics of my back are fixed, it would definitely be great maintenance to think about . Thank you again.
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I got a few pictures of my Taiga Ex from Cari-bow … Thank you Abe your workmanship and the performance is top-of-the-line.
Crooked pictures :dunno:
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That's a Beauty!
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Got a couple of bows ready for finish today. The recurve was a nightmare build, long story but it all started by me not double checking thickness on some lams I had on the shelf. Finally got the third set of limbs to hit poundage. Lesson learned! Both are for guys dropping poundage because of age. They both feel really good to me, might have to go down in poundage myself.
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Those look awesome 4 point !
I tried to fix my pictures a couple times. It’s obviously not working well for me. :dunno:
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Thank you for your suggestion it doesn’t look like there’s much information here in Canada. I think once the mechanics of my back are fixed, it would definitely be great maintenance to think about . Thank you again.
Arrrrrrr oops. Sorry, a million apologies, don't know how I got that wrong :banghead:
Try here instead as a start https://alexandertechniquecanada.ca/ (https://alexandertechniquecanada.ca/)
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Awesome bows there, :thumbsup: :thumbsup: guys!!!
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Awesome bows there, :thumbsup: :thumbsup: guys!!!
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Them are nice looking bows !!
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I went out and shot in our last biggest snow of spring, 8-9" overnight and early morning.
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Oops picture would be nice.
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Did not do anything, but found this today.
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Where did you find that, Bue? It is very cool. Are you in the pic? :bigsmyl:
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Mark, I hope you weren't adversely affected by the tornadoes in Mississippi. :dunno:
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Pat. I’m driving the tractor. I found the pic on one of the archery sites, can’t remember which one. It is almost three hours ago now and you can’t expect me to remember that long. :laugh:
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Where did you find that, Bue? It is very cool. Are you in the pic? :bigsmyl:
The tornado's were south of me and they got hammered but we had straight line winds, 1000 people without power in my area.
The ground was saturated and a lot of trees uprooted around me, I was out of power for 17 hours.
66 miles of damage
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Waiting waiting. I have strapped up with spacers Osage from Rainman. It is very dry in my shop in winter so they should soon be ready. I have a scale that weight to 1/10 of a gram, they are still losing a tiny bit, but soon will be ready.
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If you put a fan on those it will accelerate the dry time.....
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Did a bunch of work on the swap bow and made a little video about it.
https://youtu.be/Onwj4_sP76Y
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Nice John :bigsmyl:
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Thanks for the in process video. Always enjoy seeing hand work being done.
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Thats very cool… looks great!
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Haven't really posted much lately. They have announced they will be shutting down the paper mill I work for. Been busy sorting that.
I did get the limb pads milled and overlays glued on to the bow swap bow I am working on.. Got one limb out of the oven and ready to put the other limb in. Will post some pics soon.
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Sorry to hear about the paper mill closing, Kenneth. It has been part of the community for a long time. Hope things work out for the better for you guys.
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Haven't really posted much lately. They have announced they will be shutting down the paper mill I work for. Been busy sorting that.
I did get the limb pads milled and overlays glued on to the bow swap bow I am working on.. Got one limb out of the oven and ready to put the other limb in. Will post some pics soon.
Not to high Jack the thread here, but how long have you worked at the mill? And in what capacity? That is kind of a specialty job, and probably not easy to find something else comparable without traveling…. I sincerely wish you the best of luck on this transition. Kirk
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Sorry to hear about the paper mill closing, Kenneth. It has been part of the community for a long time. Hope things work out for the better for you guys.
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Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, land owners planted Loblolly Pine for many years for the pulp and paper mills and just the last 10 years it dropped down to $2.00 a ton. We are not using as much paper as we use too.
I hear that a company is making fuel pelltes now in the south so it's up to $25.00 a ton or so.
I have 100 acres that needs to be cut.
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Haven't really posted much lately. They have announced they will be shutting down the paper mill I work for. Been busy sorting that.
I did get the limb pads milled and overlays glued on to the bow swap bow I am working on.. Got one limb out of the oven and ready to put the other limb in. Will post some pics soon.
Not to high Jack the thread here, but how long have you worked at the mill? And in what capacity? That is kind of a specialty job, and probably not easy to find something else comparable without traveling…. I sincerely wish you the best of luck on this transition. Kirk
Kirk,
I work in Maintenance. 27 years. Half of that was an All Trade mechanic with a degree in Electronics. Welding , machiningcomputers/ PLC's , Vibration Analyst, everything! Spent the last 12 years in the Maintenance management team doing everything from Supervisor to planner scheduler. Setting up our Preventative Maintenance programs and overseeing equipment rebuilds.
Fortunately I work at the extruder facility next town over from the papermill and they will be retaining a 2 crew setup for that plant.
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I suppose if all else fails, there’s a great opening for an experienced and talented bowyer over at Big Jim’s ? :thumbsup:
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That would be A LOT of bows to replace my salary!
Back to making bows. Got to spend some time on my bow for my bow swap victim today.
Installing the inserts and pins on the riser. I use phenolic pads. Riser is wide enough to allow for all cleanup work . Once I start, I reference all work from the same side and use an edge finder after the edges are cleaned up with a straight flute carbide bit. Level the pads, find center line and drill, chamfer and tap holes. Tap just deep enough to allow the last 3 threads to engage in the area of the threads that start to taper. Add super thin CA glue and install inserts slightly below flush. The nuts I use have a small shoulder about 15 thou that allows the insert to go below the surface.
Sand and now it is ready for limbs and shaping.
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Haven't really posted much lately. They have announced they will be shutting down the paper mill I work for. Been busy sorting that.
Sorry to hear about the shutdown. Hopefully, things will work out for you.
I spent the day working on some turkey calls for the guys at turkey camp. I sure can’t wait to get some time in the woods.
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There are parts there for four trumpets and I have blanks cut out for several more.
Dave.
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Messed around with some leather working today... made a couple sheaths for the drawknife and hatchet :goldtooth:
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Nice work. :thumbsup: Are you hand stitching?
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Chapter 2 of my Swap Bow - Tillering Details
https://youtu.be/KUd0CTchk40
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Yea Pat, no sewing machine... just had to pre drill the holes with the drill press, the little hole stamp/punches I have wont go through that many layers of thick leather :biglaugh:
Made this this arm guard tonight, I still need to dye the laces but I needed them on there while it dries in shape. Turned out way better than I thought it would! I'm really digging the leatherworking, need to get back to the bow that's still in process though :archer:
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Nice! :thumbsup:
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Actually did this yesterday at Tradfest.Tee shirts and wind untill about mid afternoon and still wind am talking over 20 mph gusts and temps dropped had on insulated bibs and heavy coat and still freezing. They had some nice 3D targets.
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Dang mike i had to zoom in-Looked like you were pulling an arrow out of th groin :biglaugh:
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Yeah that was out there quite a ways it went a bit too low.
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Is that a rubber stump target? Never seen one of those before. I could get into stump shooting more with one of those. :biglaugh:
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Rienhart stump and Bigfoot
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Arrrgh !! Looks like a decorative overlay is in order?
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Arrrgh !! Looks like a decorative overlay is in order?
Haha. Yep. Top and bottom.
Thought about just doing double limb bolts like a Bob Lee but really don’t like the look of that.
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Is that a rubber stump target? Never seen one of those before. I could get into stump shooting more with one of those.
Kirk …….. Bigfoot would look good right beside the shop door :biglaugh: :archer2:
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Arrrgh !! Looks like a decorative overlay is in order?
Haha. Yep. Top and bottom.
Thought about just doing double limb bolts like a Bob Lee but really don’t like the look of that.
No worries mate! Fill that bolt hole and location pin holes with fiberglass bondo, or better yet some EA 40, and go again…. Flat black rattle can paint job prior to clear coating and you are good to go….. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I’m curious how ya got back assward on that bore job though….. :biglaugh:
Btw… don’t feel bad… you are not the only one that has pulled that stunt before…
Kirk
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Made some kindling today...
Finally split up the halves of the better osage log I had. Got a few of them debarked and de-sapwooded, the rest will have to wait till tomorrow... I'm wipped :biglaugh:
I may split the largest of these again, not sure if its worth risking though. 2 of the staves are pretty nice, the others all have some more major heat work to be done. All of them are better than the ones from the first log I split.
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Nice osage staves. :thumbsup:
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Slightly better pic. I think there are some shooters in there! The ones on the right (from the more gnarly log) are going to be a nightmare... I might save those for when I've got a bit more experience but I think at least some of them can work... Definintely going to get some heat bending practice in on all of them :biglaugh:
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HAHA, I was thinking the same thing!
I just recently starting using a mill with DRO to plumb the riser, limb pads, and bore holes.
Note to self, do not wear earbuds with good music on and do not go into automatic brain mode. :smileystooges:
Also, mark the locations ahead of time instead of just dialing to the spot, or wrong spot in this instance, by just staring at the DRO location.
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A fancy mill and DRO does not always mean we get things right! I was milling my slide for a custom competition 1911 pistol. Wife came in and talked to me while I was doing it. Got distracted and turned the crank the wrong way.
I just quietly reached up and turned the mill off and turned out my mill light. She must of known what I had done.
She bought me a new blank slide !
I now lock the shop door and turn off my phone while milling.
Bow swap related? I just had to redo the last limb...took it out of the oven and realized I had flipped the lambs front to back when I put them in the form.
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Once you get in the groove you’ll love the consistency you get with the mill. I set up my own DRO system using 3 different slide micrometers for XYZ axis. But even after I found the best vise location for both limbs and riser, and got the jaws running dead straight, and zeroed out… I figured out it’s always best to zero out the Y axis every time I reset the pieces in the vise…. It’s kind of a learning curve hitting dead center every time…. Rather than using a center finder, I use my 1/4” mill or router bit and bring it right up to the edge, then zero it out then use the total width divided x 2 plus. .125 for center.
I also learned never to flip a riser end to end when milling. Mill one end, then slide it down to the other….
Of course you don’t have that luxury with limbs, but those come out pretty good if they are both the same width going into the mill, and zero out true center. Its nice being able to elongate the lower pin hole about .020-.040 and over sized the bole hole. Those limbs mount first time, every time and rarely need any bolt hole filing.
Great tools… but there is a learning curve. Kirk
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A fancy mill and DRO does not always mean we get things right! I was milling my slide for a custom competition 1911 pistol. Wife came in and talked to me while I was doing it. Got distracted and turned the crank the wrong way.
I just quietly reached up and turned the mill off and turned out my mill light. She must of known what I had done.
She bought me a new blank slide !
I now lock the shop door and turn off my phone while milling.
Bow swap related? I just had to redo the last limb...took it out of the oven and realized I had flipped the lambs front to back when I put them in the form.
:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: Oh yea…. I know that one….
I set up a power feed on the X axis only which has a speed control on it…. It’s very nice for surfacing the limb pads a true 90 degrees prior to drilling, and reall6 handy milling ILF risers. But I’ve made some directional boo boos from time to time myself…. Ouch! :knothead: :knothead:
I wish there was a simple way to use a tap in the mill without buying a power tap gizmo. I have a hell of a time trying to turn the Chuck by hand and keep an even down pressure. I finally gave up on it and just tap my limb bolt inserts by hand, and over size the bolt holes on the limbs to compensate for tap drift.
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Kirk, do your taps have the divot in the back for a live center? After drilling I use a hand tap wrench with one hand and a live center in the mill or something to keep it centered. It does become a 2 hand operation, but I can keep downward pressure on the tap with my right hand and turn my tap handle with my left.
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I don’t own a Mill myself so when I went to drill and tap my first set of holes in a mocked up practice riser I did find I had great difficulty tapping A true 90° so the next one i am going to try this and I’m not sure where I seen this done was too Mount the tap in my drill press set my riser in my press vice making sure my Limb pad is true 90° to the tap using a Digital angle finder and then pull the belt off of The drill press pulley and while applying pressure with the drill press handle and turning the pulley by hand which is very easy to do because of the size and grip you have there’s plenty of leverage and tap the hole all in one stroke not backing it out and reinstalling . :dunno: I think there’s a chance of success . :goldtooth:
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I was able to nearly eliminate any drift or angle issue while hand tapping once I bought the tap on the right. It has a bore centering section that is the same diameter of the pre tapped bore. I then finish it the very bottom of the bore with a standard tap.
I’ll try to find a link to one as I can’t remember where I got it, but it was a game changer for me
Found it. They look a little different than the one I have but same company. Must have changed them slightly.
https://www.besly.com/store/home.php?cat=318
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I wish there was a simple way to use a tap in the mill without buying a power tap gizmo. I have a hell of a time trying to turn the Chuck by hand and keep an even down pressure. I finally gave up on it and just tap my limb bolt inserts by hand, and over size the bolt holes on the limbs to compensate for tap drift.
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Do you have a neutral between forward and reverse?
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Today I got a lot of work caught up at on of our orthopedic clinics. Plus I had a message in with Kenny M. About some spalted hackberry veneers. Boy oh boy! Did he come through. I've used these before from Kenny and I think these are freaking wild. Thank you, Kenny. The last picture is what I was picking from. I did three, four and five starting in the middle. Going to the right. JF
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Nice :bigsmyl:
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Tillering the Swap Bow.
https://youtu.be/GUwr8PRpG4g
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Nice looking bend on those limbs John. :thumbsup:
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I got the swap bow shooting. My audience for the shooting didn't stay for long and seemed unimpressed.
https://youtu.be/qkFrpnTa15M
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Very nice, John.
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I wanted a piece of granite or marble to use as a backing for doing leather stamping... Apparently this is how its done to get nice clean work, something good and flat with a lot of weight to it. I called and begged a few countertop places for scraps, most wouldn't work with me but I finally found one that said to come on by. Instead of a little piece about a sqaure foot they guy gave me the entire cutout from a sink :biglaugh: Its probably 75lbs so it wasn't gonna be easy to move it on and off my workbench as needed lol. Decided to make an entirely new workbench just to hold it, and as usual I went a little overboard. I'd originally planned on just a 2x4 stand about the same size as the granite.... I had rough sawn oak I got for free and cherry left over from previous projects, so its definitely built to last... I'm just gonna be too scared to use it now lol. Tung oil on the top to be a little easier to fix when I inevitably mess it up. I thought it turned out great so I wanted to share!
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It looks good and solid. Happy stamping! 👍🏻
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That’s really great. I like it. A small 1 foot square would be so boring. :laugh: Now you have another work bench and a real classy one at that. Good job.
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Thanks, I love it! The pictures dont do the wood justice, its gorgeous... Some might consider it a waste on a 'workbench' but I'll enjoy it every time I use it for years and years :biglaugh: Made these little plugs to fill in the starter holes they used to cut out the sink. I guess I was attempting to use every type of wood I have in my shop lol The cut stone was also pretty wavy and rough so its not a super tight fit on the granite... Looks like they probably did it with an angle grinder and then just cleaned up the sink side, but for FREE i'll take it!
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Nice benchtop!! That surface will be awesome!!
Great looking bow Shawn!!
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I wanted a piece of granite or marble to use as a backing for doing leather stamping... Apparently this is how its done to get nice clean work, something good and flat with a lot of weight to it. I called and begged a few countertop places for scraps, most wouldn't work with me but I finally found one that said to come on by. Instead of a little piece about a sqaure foot they guy gave me the entire cutout from a sink :biglaugh: Its probably 75lbs so it wasn't gonna be easy to move it on and off my workbench as needed lol. Decided to make an entirely new workbench just to hold it, and as usual I went a little overboard. I'd originally planned on just a 2x4 stand about the same size as the granite.... I had rough sawn oak I got for free and cherry left over from previous projects, so its definitely built to last... I'm just gonna be too scared to use it now lol. Tung oil on the top to be a little easier to fix when I inevitably mess it up. I thought it turned out great so I wanted to share!
Your wife could use that for making pies too!
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I got the swap bow shooting. My audience for the shooting didn't stay for long and seemed unimpressed.
https://youtu.be/qkFrpnTa15M
Nice looking bow John.... I was looking for the fine tuning video on tiller adjustment after you shot the bow. You said it was a bit shocky, and had some fine tuning. I'd be interested in seeing how you addressed this. Kirk
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Carved another set of arrow heads. Not sure if I will use them on this bow.
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I got a box today 😁
These are going to make some sweet Longbow risers👌
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What is the redder looking wood? I like that!
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Figured Bubinga
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Nice stuff!
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It is purdy 🤯
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Where did you order that Bocote? is it 4/4 stock?
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Kirk I got it from Bell Forest. Hand pick section. The Bacote is 3/4" thick. JF
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Jeffries Wood Works in Knoxville gotbin some Bocote last week. It will probably be gone before I can get there. Not something I normally see.
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Wow, that bubinga is gorgeous :scared: Cant wait to see what that ends up on! Good looking Bocote too!
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Today I finally finished a project that started with a casual comment by a friend while on a mountainside back in October, hunting and enjoying the last of the fall colours. We were discussing our bucket lists, something it seems we old guys do more often as we age, and the topic became “what bow did you always want but never got around to getting”. My wish was always the Bear Super Kodiak, the 60’s models, the “Black Beauties”, before the take-downs. I shot my faithful old Ben Pearson Colt for 20 years, before I succumbed to the wheel bow craze for a decade or so. But I came back. My friend thought about it for a few moments and then asked “so why don’t you buy one, there’s often a listing for them.?” Too expensive, by the time you add in exchange on the dollar (none in Canada?), shipping, etc. So he said “so why not build one yourself”? Simple - I have never held one, or shot one, or even seen one up close and personal. Ever. But I always loved the look of them.
So that became 5 months of filing every picture I could find, calibrating the ratios of riser to limbs, width and length of sight window, grip, etc. I decided to use the limb shape from an old tracing of a Bear Tamerlane I had in the 70’s, no need to go static or anything drastic. After I had my drawings looking close I realized this thing has an incredibly long riser, and the cost of rosewood was going up exponentially. So I started with a 36” long piece of Rosewood, laid out the accent and fade angles, and made the cuts. I used Purpleheart between Sugar Maple for the accent stripe, and Bubinga for the “horns”.
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That ended up at 33” between the fades, which wasn’t going to leave much for the limbs if I wanted to end up around 62”. So I cut the fades back and ended up with a 27” riser, which left me with 18” limbs, and it looked pretty close proportionately. I may have to build another one, because now I have 2 large wedges of Rosewood and the lower half of the Bubinga to make a new riser. I added on the 3 layers of black and white glass to the riser back, and then 2 layers to the belly, even though Bear didn’t. This thing is so long and slender I was starting to second guess my measurements, so a couple extra layers of reinforcement can’t hurt.
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Then it was form building time (I think the plywood is about the same cost as the Rosewood), and then deciding on what to do with the limbs. I went with clear glass over Rosewood/Yew for the back, StabilKor, edge grain Paduak belly lamination, and black glass of the belly. My target draw weight was 45# @ 28”, and after checking all my records I went with .210 at 2” below the fades, both lams are .001 taper. Double checked everything, made a dry run in the form, and ………..it worked! I don’t have a long oven, since I do take-downs now almost exclusively, so I tented it, ran a 220V heater under it, and left it for the night. Almost crapped when I saw the air hose was quite limp. I don’t know how or when it happened, I had checked it the week prior to. Held my breath till I could grind off all the glue and check the laminations, but it all seems to be 100% tight, the glue lines are perfect from one end to the other. Dodged a major bullet, somehow. So here it is, I’m very happy with the result, haven’t a clue how accurate it is to the original, and don’t really care. The bow is 63” ntn, it draws smoothly beyond my 29” and the shot is fast!! The weight came in at 45# after tiller and 44# after final sanding and finish. Dead in the hand release, just a bit of string noise, but will tune it out over the next while. Trying for that “thud” that Kirk keeps talking about, rather than the twang in E minor. Built a new set of arrows for it and have yet to tune it all together. Done!
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Nice looking Recurve :thumbsup:
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It's crappie season!
I did work on the swap bow this week too. Just no video done yet.
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That's a beautiful bow Noah! The contrast the white glass gives is great, regardless of how 'faithful' you were to the original. Gorgeous wood selections.
Crappie is some good eating fish John, haven't had any in years though.
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Noah
18" is good for working limbs :jumper:
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Noah, beautiful work on that bow. I have wanted to build my take on a Black Widow recurve. I even have some risers roughed out. You may have just inspired me to get my ass in gear. 😁
Dave.
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That’s a fine looking bow Noah!
Good catch John! I used to catch Crappie fishing with my dad 60 some years ago. Haven’t eaten any since then.
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Thanks very much guys! I’m really looking forward to getting out with it. Dave, if you start on that Black Widow replica, maybe start a new thread and see how many others out there have built or wish to start on a replica of their favourites.
Nice fish John, I think the ice is just coming off the only local lake with Crappie in it.
Regards, Noah
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That’s a fine looking bow Noah!
Good catch John! I used to catch Crappie fishing with my dad 60 some years ago. Haven’t eaten any since then.
15 minutes to the lake here in Mississippi, lot's of Crappie :)
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Good looking fades on the riser! :thumbsup:
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I got one pretty close today. Quartersawen sycamore riser W/black dye carbon front and sycamore belly with a little splat. 60 in. 35@28
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Good looking bow Stic! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Good looking bow Stic! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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First real leather project other than the sheaths I made for the drawknife and hatchet... Finally putting the new leather bench to use. Kind of a possibles bag/pouch to go on my belt. I dont know how useful or annoying it'll be in practice tbh lol. Mostly just wanted to try to design and make something out of leather to see how all this stuff works. Hoping to make some really nice leather grips for the bows in the future, more than just a rectangle wrapped around like I've done so far :biglaugh:
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Very nice bag and leather work. :thumbsup:
Do you use the shoe anvil for shoes or just as an anvil?
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Z splicing Osage from Rainman.
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Working on a few risers. Bow building "season" has finally arrived. 😀
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Cruise, is the table and drum exactly 90 degrees on that sander?
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Neat Z splicing Bue..
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Cruise, is the table and drum exactly 90 degrees on that sander?
It's adjustable and needs to be monitored carefully with every use. I'd like to have fancier tools but just don't have room for them.
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Neat Z splicing Bue..
Show us a picture glued up Bue :thumbsup:
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Cruise, is the table and drum exactly 90 degrees on that sander?
It's adjustable and needs to be monitored carefully with every use. I'd like to have fancier tools but just don't have room for them.
I completely wore out two of those ridged sanders before buying my 80” edge sander and spindle sander….and…. I built a lot of bows with em too….they work just fine…..
but…. After you get a big edge sander you won’t believe the difference. I can’t imagine being without it now……. It will come in time…
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Well today I had one repair project after another. Our oil furnace went down and I had to tear into that first… I found the problem rather quickly fortunately. I hit it on the first you tube video too… Wow! That’s gotta be a record. So I got the part on order, and fired up the wood stove. Of course the freezing level is dropping the next few days…. It figures…. Right?
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Cleaned up recurve limbs and checking for squareness. From belly black BoTuff, parallel hard maple, Jatoba wedge, stabil kore, taper action boo,Waterfall Bubinga veneer and Bjorn clear glass.
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Max. Here you go. Splice will be hidden between lams.
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Pretty nice Bue..
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Nice fitting z splice :thumbsup:
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Cleaned up recurve limbs and checking for squareness. From belly black BoTuff, parallel hard maple, Jatoba wedge, stabil kore, taper action boo,Waterfall Bubinga veneer and Bjorn clear glass.
I noticed you have a wood floor in your shop. Is that hickory flooring? Kirk
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It is Pine flooring. Can’t find Hickory over here since they were making wooden skies. The little I have is from an old ski factory that shut down 50 years ago. The owner had some saved, lucky for me. Sure wish I could go to a wood store and pick out a nice straight Hickory board.
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I have that same Ridgid sander and also bought a WEN spindle sander from Amazon. The ridgid was not square but the WEN was. No matter what I tried, could not get the Ridgid square as it went up and down. The WEN is also easy to make into a Non-oscilating sander out of.
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Something about curly maple. When I see a stunning piece or two, I have to have it whether I need it soon or not.
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Pretty maple Jon
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I finished a few turkey trumpets and strikers for the guys at turkey camp.
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The excitement is building. 😁
Dave.
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Me think nice color combo. Osage, Purpleheart, Jatoba power lam and Hickory.
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Nice turkey trumpets. What are strikers for? No wild turkeys over here.
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I got a new batch of Prototype Carbon for use in recurve bows some days ago.
So what's the best way to Test it?
Yes. Use it in Prototype Recurve ILF Limbs, of which ich just built one pair with glass before... :biglaugh:
Hoping for 35-40#.
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Nice turkey trumpets. What are strikers for? No wild turkeys over here.
Bue, the strikers are for use with slate pot calls.
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Where did you get the carbon?
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I am developing the Carbon in cooporation with an Others bowyer here in Germany.
A local Carbon manufacturer is producing it by our requirements.
We testen a Ton of layups and resin-to-fiber-ratios to get Carbon that suits our needs and expectations in Performance and durability.
The Carbon for Hybrid and longbows is Set Up.
Now we fine tune the Version for use in Recurves.
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I am developing the Carbon in cooporation with an Others bowyer here in Germany.
A local Carbon manufacturer is producing it by our requirements.
We testen a Ton of layups and resin-to-fiber-ratios to get Carbon that suits our needs and expectations in Performance and durability.
The Carbon for Hybrid and longbows is Set Up.
Now we fine tune the Version for use in Recurves.
Am i safe to assume you are using different pre preg carbon layers with uni carbon and bias weave together? Back when we were testing different lay ups, we found that the best mix for recurves was XOXOX ... The X being a 45/45 bias weave, and the O being uni carbon....We used it on the back of the limbs only. Then used XOX under .030 clear glass on the belly side.
Good luck keeping any carbon backing used directly on the belly successfully. I never got much longevity out of carbon directly on the belly side of the limbs myself. Kirk
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No Prepregs, but you are right with the Mix.
The Belly Carbon needs to be different from the Back.
It's a long way and there is still a Lot to do.
The bows, i Made from China Carbon (50% 45/45 and 50% UD) on Back and Belly are all Holding Up ...yet.
But i don't build then with more than 45# and the Design bends very smooth...
So Not much Stress in the Limbs...
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I think the limb geometry, or limb shape does have a large effect on the shear factor on belly carbon. Where I had problems was with static tip RC designs with shorter working limb sections. I had the same issues with hybrid long bows with shorter working limb portions….
But…. When I started changing things up on taper rates and wedges allowing a more uniform bend to the limbs so I wouldn’t blow the carbon off the belly, I lost too much performance.
So I ended up with a more expensive carbon backed bow, that didn’t perform any better than my glass limbs did using a shorter working section. More importantly I lost my nice string angle at longer draw lengths that my more aggressive glass limbs provided.
What I struggle with now is torsional stability in low draw weight static tip RC limbs. I am going to play with using some of this 45/45 twill carbon from China on these a bit and see if it will help. The stable core isn’t enough…
I wish you luck on your project. I had a lot of fun with that years ago. But it’s Too expensive for me to play with too much any more. Kirk
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Today I got my oil furnace up and running again. The part I needed was a burner control mod that I installed yesterday…. But the motor on the fuel pump portion wasn’t kicking on…. I was bummed out…. Thought I just wasted a $100 on the wrong part….
So I fired up you tube again and watched a couple more videos this morning. As I was watching, I spotted something that didn’t look the same on the wiring connections as mine. So I went back in and opened her up…. Sure enough, I found a ground wire to the motor that wasn’t connected, and Bingo! She fired right up.
That saved me a couple hundred bucks doing it myself….. I’m jazzed!
Trying to find service techs for oil furnaces around here any more is tough to do. Seems everyone has gone to gas or heat pumps any more….
Now I can go fishing tomorrow and come home to a warm house! Kirk
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I am going to play with using some of this 45/45 twill carbon from China on these a bit and see if it will help. The stable core isn’t enough…
Thats on my list. Nothing that I build (at this time) is in particular need of additional stability however I want to see how it might benefit an ASL With a Hill style grip. That type of grip is prone to torque so I'm kinda intrigued by the idea of reducing it. Same with my modern "longbow" that I sometimes do with a hill style grip.
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Using 45/45 carbon on an ASL design is a total waste of perfectly good carbon unless you are doing it for looks..... If you are trying to pick up some speed, then you want to use ,030 Uni on the back and belly. There is no torsional or lateral stability issues with that design, even with back set built into them..... Save it for recurve limbs, or radical hybrids bro.
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If its only twill I say prolly just for looks and looks neat.
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Anyhow I picked up a Widow a couple of weeks ago. Always said I would never have one unless it was a one piece. This one pretty sweet.
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Stic.
Is that a PA or a KB? I’ve always thought those were some of the best looking 1 piece bows IMO.
How does it shoot? Every 3 piece widow I’ve shot has a little after shock in the limbs.
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Nice looking bow. I like it better than the Widow TD look.
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Jon PTF.
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Using 45/45 carbon on an ASL design is a total waste of perfectly good carbon unless you are doing it for looks..... If you are trying to pick up some speed, then you want to use ,030 Uni on the back and belly. There is no torsional or lateral stability issues with that design, even with back set built into them..... Save it for recurve limbs, or radical hybrids bro.
May be good advice....... buuut I'm an addicted experimenter.
Not interested in carbon look and not looking for speed. Just stability. There is a surprising amount of torque applied at the grip which results in lateral torque. Some shooters handle it better than others but it's always there to some degree especially at lighter draw weights.
The simplest cure is a forward handle ASL which are much loved by a few but the die hard ASL aficionado not so much.
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Got another curve going I took a sliver off the form in the butt area to add a bit of preload. Got a .019 twill in the mix and some cracked osage veneers (character flaw) Still under the green tape :bigsmyl:
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Using 45/45 carbon on an ASL design is a total waste of perfectly good carbon unless you are doing it for looks..... If you are trying to pick up some speed, then you want to use ,030 Uni on the back and belly. There is no torsional or lateral stability issues with that design, even with back set built into them..... Save it for recurve limbs, or radical hybrids bro.
May be good advice....... buuut I'm an addicted experimenter.
Not interested in carbon look and not looking for speed. Just stability. There is a surprising amount of torque applied at the grip which results in lateral torque. Some shooters handle it better than others but it's always there to some degree especially at lighter draw weights.
The simplest cure is a forward handle ASL which are much loved by a few but the die hard ASL aficionado not so much.
If you are “applying” torque to your grip, you are shooting yourself in the foot…
but I guess that is the part about shooting ASL bows that kick like a mule I’ll never understand…You need to learn how to “grip” the bow just right applying torque to the riser, and break your elbow a bit to absorb the hand shock with a bow that shoots 20 FPS less…. What is wrong with this picture?
You guys have a sickness me thinks… :biglaugh:
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Using 45/45 carbon on an ASL design is a total waste of perfectly good carbon unless you are doing it for looks..... If you are trying to pick up some speed, then you want to use ,030 Uni on the back and belly. There is no torsional or lateral stability issues with that design, even with back set built into them..... Save it for recurve limbs, or radical hybrids bro.
May be good advice....... buuut I'm an addicted experimenter.
Not interested in carbon look and not looking for speed. Just stability. There is a surprising amount of torque applied at the grip which results in lateral torque. Some shooters handle it better than others but it's always there to some degree especially at lighter draw weights.
The simplest cure is a forward handle ASL which are much loved by a few but the die hard ASL aficionado not so much.
If you are “applying” torque to your grip, you are shooting yourself in the foot…
but I guess that is the part about shooting ASL bows that kick like a mule I’ll never understand…You need to learn how to “grip” the bow just right applying torque to the riser, and break your elbow a bit to absorb the hand shock with a bow that shoots 20 FPS less…. What is wrong with this picture?
You guys have a sickness me thinks… :biglaugh:
Well, mine don't "kick" at all, and it is all about the grip. I had a 50# 66" ASL that I shot for quite a few years and it was always one of two bows with me on any but a day hunt. Perfectly comfortable bow at the shot. Then there was that one time that it stung me. Tired? Distracted? Not sure what was going on but my grip was Complete fail. Fella I sold it to has no problems with it and he shoots it frequently.
One of my son in laws can't shoot an ASL period. Gets hand shocked every time. I can see what he's doing wrong but can't get through to him. He has been a contractor/builder all his life and he grips like the bow is a heavy power tool. 😀
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Studied at the book of laminations today...
Cut up a few hard maple and bamboo laminations.
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First Osage from Rainman glued up with Purpleheart center, Jatoba power lam and Hickory backing. Something special with that yellow wood.
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Looking good Bue
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Yeah Bue, that is going to be a looker!
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I finally found a Texaco bow, time to test it out :laughing:
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Makes you wonder if Texaco could pull that bow if it were properly strung. :knothead:
I'll be heading to Twin Oaks and the Tenn Classic a week from today. I've been waiting a year for this day to come. :thumbsup: :campfire: :archer: :archer2:
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Yep---me too
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I finally found a Texaco bow, time to test it out :laughing:
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There is a guy on FB who has actually built some bows like this, looking to be strung backwards. He based the design on the images from a decorative Greek urn! Methinks the ceramic artist who decorated the urn was no archer and got the design bassackwards! Or maybe not …
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Y’all can decide what you think :goldtooth:
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Opposite of recurve could be decurve. :goldtooth:
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Or de saster :biglaugh:
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I got one finished today. Calling it Cracked Osage. 61 in. 47@28
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Great job ! That Osage looks real nice :archer2:.
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Nice looking bow, Mike. Reminds me of a selfbow I built a few years ago...
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Spalted Osage veneers
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Those veneers look awesome! :thumbsup:
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Osage flames :campfire:
Mark, Pappy told me James and gang are already there at Twin Oaks. :saywhat:
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Osage flames :campfire:
Mark, Pappy told me James and gang are already there at Twin Oaks. :saywhat:
Yep Rebecca told me they would be there :thumbsup:
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Put first coat of oil on this one today. Hickory, Jatoba powerlam, Purpleheart, Osage, Elm and Merbau riser.
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I glued up a one piece recurve yesterday. Today I cleaned up one edge and ran it through my thickness sander to 1 5/8”. I strung it up to check tiller and that the limbs were straight. It was nice and straight so I shaped the limbs and routed in the shelf prior to gluing on tips and a handle overlay.
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What type of bit are you using in the router
Thanks Steve
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I’m using a 1/4” round nose bit. It leaves a nice 1/4” radius from the shelf to the sight window.
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Nice job!! Good system there! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Thanks Kenny
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Hey Jon, looks like you know what you’re doing and I’m not too far from you, if you would like to share some of your knowledge, I wouldn’t mind checking out your process, Trad guys around here are far and few between. Give me a shout if you would be willing to share some of your secrets.
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Sure thing Shawn.
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I shaped the limbs and routed in the shelf prior to gluing on tips and a handle overlay.
Can you share some more details of your router jig? That looks like a slick way to cut the shelf.
Mark
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It’s just a box made out of a couple 2x4’s with the top and bottom sheeted with 1/4” plywood. I figured out the arc I wanted and screwed a guide on top for the router base to rub against. I clamp it all down and take shallow passes until I reach my desired depth. Start routing slowly through the glass on the belly side first and don’t go all the way through the back side. You won’t like the end result if you do.
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Do you need a special kind of routerbit to handle the glass? Nice jig.
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A carbide bit would probably be your best bet. Mine is not carbide but seems to work well. I soak it in solvent after each use to get any residue off. My current build has Tambootie in the riser and it seems to clog up tooling worse than anything I’ve used.
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I filed in my string grooves and glued on the belly side string grooves.
Started a takedown riser this afternoon. I got the inserts installed in the limb pads and pad overlays glued on.
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I put snakeskins on a bow for the first time in many years. These are some skins I got from somebody a long time ago and never used.
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I built a couple jigs today for aligning takedown limbs after the bow is strung. Now I can fine tune them and drill for the alignment pins.
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Finished clearing the Bow Swap bow and milled some poplar for ship lap paneling.
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Just got back from the Tennessee Classic
almost 800 people signed up for the shoot and over 1000 people there :clapper:
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More tornado cleanup today , no electric so helping neighbors . Our place was spared but all sides of us were totaled or lots of damage .
Hoping to have power today …
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Sorry to hear that Kenny, sounds like you were pretty lucky.
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We were very lucky, couple pieces of siding and folded my flagpole over. Shop and garage no damage , one neighbor trapped in his house for three hours , two homes demolished and two lost barns and part of one house .
You can watch some on YT - Linneus MO tornado
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I watched a YouTube video, must have been scary and hail as big as tennis balls. Glad you are okay.
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Thanks Bue
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Holy s#%t Kenny glad you and your family are OK. So sorry to hear about your neighbours and everyone else that were affected :pray:
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Wow, just watched some video on it. That is scary stuff. good to hear you’re OK.
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Kenny, good to hear you, yours and your holdings came through ok! I was in a tornado at Millington TN in the late 60s. Incredible how much damage it did and how some properties were spared while others all around were shredded. Glad for you, sad for your neighbors … what a heartbreak for them.
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Built a little "Deluxe" Kids Bow.
Nice Walnut with oldshool Birdseye Maple.
Finish with Gunstock-Oil in Progress.
Is there any way to get Wood fired up Like this with any clear coat?
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Got back from my trip to Kansas and now have a decent supply of future fletchings :goldtooth:
Tried my hand at turkey hunting with a recurve this year. Had at least 4-5 easy shots if I'd have taken the shotgun, but only got one chance to even take a shot with the bow... Missed high by about an inch :banghead: :biglaugh: Have a lot more respect for the skill and dedication it takes to pull off a successful hunt now though. I need a lot more practice!
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Got back from my trip to Kansas and now have a decent supply of future fletchings :goldtooth:
Tried my hand at turkey hunting with a recurve this year. Had at least 4-5 easy shots if I'd have taken the shotgun, but only got one chance to even take a shot with the bow... Missed high by about an inch :banghead: :biglaugh: Have a lot more respect for the skill and dedication it takes to pull off a successful hunt now though. I need a lot more practice!
i think hunting turkeys with a trad bow has gotta be one of the most challenging hunts ive ever done without using a pop up blind.... i did build a lot of brush blinds, but i swear those things can read a newspaper at 100 yards....
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You're tellin me... It was so tough to try to get one close enough that I thought I could make the shot (with my pretty mediocre shooting). At one point I actually had one called in WAY too close :biglaugh: I saw it way off and slipped in behind a big bush on a bit of a point that jutted out into the edge of a field. He came down the tree line straight to the point. As he came around the side of the bush I was on, he was less than 10ft off... Took off running as soon as I even had the IDEA to draw. :biglaugh:
I had an absolute blast though. Honestly I wasn't even that disappointed I didn't get one with the bow. The actual hunting itself was so much more primal, visceral, I'm not sure how to describe it... It was awesome. The one I missed was around 20y off with 2 hens and gave me an absolutely perfect shot, I just blew it lol
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Got back from the Tenn. Classic about 4:30 today. Worn out but had a blast. Trades one of my leather bag for a beautiful osage stave, received a boo back/belly bow from James Parker in trade for my old briefcase had I made for my self and James also gave me a boo backed osage bow blank that i will finish up. Sold a few of my leather bags, a leather quiver and a brass buckle I had left over from my leather shop in Savannah in the mid 1970s.
The shoot was a success with another year without rain and record turnout of shooters. I think Pappy said 796 shooters registered. All in all it was a fun but exhausting 6 days.
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Finished up a one piece 58” recurve this afternoon. She just needs a finish sprayed on. Tambootie/Brazilian Ebony riser with Bamboo under clear glass. Wish they all came out like this one with even tiller and straight pulling limbs right off the form. [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
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Very nice! What woods are those?
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Bocote & Grenadillo
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Nice job, grandillo can be really cool. Getting ready to work o. Some one piece forms. The 3 piece bows I have been building are so labor intensive.
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thanks, KennyM hooked me up with some nice looking woods and veneers. pretty pleased with the way the woods look paired up with each other.
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I'm building a 2 Piece Bow once in a while.
But i don't find the right Bandsaw Blades.
The ones for Metal hold Up and don't get dull so fast, but have to many and short teeth.
So they cut extremely slow and burn.
The ones for hardwood are death after half the Cut.
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well go. to the fiberglass sleeve two piece. I can see where that cut would be a pain with whatever blade.
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Spining wood shafts with my old Flight-Rite tester from Alan Rothaar. Wonder if he is still around.
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You're tellin me... It was so tough to try to get one close enough that I thought I could make the shot (with my pretty mediocre shooting). At one point I actually had one called in WAY too close :biglaugh: I saw it way off and slipped in behind a big bush on a bit of a point that jutted out into the edge of a field. He came down the tree line straight to the point. As he came around the side of the bush I was on, he was less than 10ft off... Took off running as soon as I even had the IDEA to draw. :biglaugh:
I had an absolute blast though. Honestly I wasn't even that disappointed I didn't get one with the bow. The actual hunting itself was so much more primal, visceral, I'm not sure how to describe it... It was awesome. The one I missed was around 20y off with 2 hens and gave me an absolutely perfect shot, I just blew it lol
Well at least you got a shot…. I hunted those damn things 3 different times in Texas where there were quite a few birds, and never got completely to full draw once without getting busted…. Birds too close, and too many hens sneaking around behind me. I had one hen almost walk over my boots while I was watching two toms fighting at 10 yards. I could have shot either one of the toms if it wasn’t for all the hens walking around….. but like you said…. It was a blast hunting them.
Kirk
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I'm building a 2 Piece Bow once in a while.
But i don't find the right Bandsaw Blades.
The ones for Metal hold Up and don't get dull so fast, but have to many and short teeth.
So they cut extremely slow and burn.
The ones for hardwood are death after half the Cut.
I’ve never tried a two piece with location pins and bolts before. I’d really like to see the finished product.
Here is a dove tail connection two piece I did using G-10 years ago…. Came out good , but wouldn’t do it again….
https://photos.app.goo.gl/RBNE6LNEfXNpoYZN9
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That’s very cool Kirk. :thumbsup: Millwork?
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I’ve never tried a two piece with location pins and bolts before. I’d really like to see the finished product.
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I'm building a 2 Piece Bow once in a while.
But i don't find the right Bandsaw Blades.
The ones for Metal hold Up and don't get dull so fast, but have to many and short teeth.
So they cut extremely slow and burn.
The ones for hardwood are death after half the Cut.
I would not have glass or carbon on the back so you can cut it into 2 pieces and then overlay it before pattern sanding. You are pattern sanding???
I like it :bigsmyl:
Nice dovetail Kirk, how does it hold up?? ;)
The 2 piece Big Jim does looks the best , no bolts, but it needs a leather grip.
But I don't like the look of a leather grip because it hides the look of the wood. :dunno:
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Well Centaur take makes one familiar to that that he says is black matter (G10) what you gonna cut that with?
Max maybe get you some of that wood grainfiberglass wrap. :laughing:
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That’s very cool Kirk. :thumbsup: Millwork?
Fitting that dovetail joint with G-10 was definitely some precision millwork. Finding the right carbide tip cutters was the key element….
I did a few practice mock ups with wood before doing the riser block….
I don’t think I’d recommend it for a hunting weight bow with a single dove tail connection. This was a pretty light draw weight bow. I think you would need two dovetails and thicker G-10 to hold up to 50-60# safely….
Take a look at Centaur’s two piece that he builds out of solid G-10 …. Of course, he calls it “Dark Matter” but I’m pretty sure it’s G-10 Garolite material. He’s got that connection down Pat…. I’m not sure if he mills the connection with a CNC set up or not, but they are precise…. Kirk
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I have always built this longbow in colored glass but this time around I tried some BP that I have had forever that I got from Kenny when BP was still making streak free!
Ako on the back and Olive on the belly.
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Made myself a pair of ILF Recurve Longs.
40#@28"
19" Riser, 64" Bow.
Birdseye Maple Veneer and some Carbon underneath for stability.
Decent shooters.
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Those limbs have a long sweep hook.. what carbon did you use? Does it seem pretty peppy?
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3 Layers of 45/45 Fabric (90/0 Cut to 45°).
Not as stiff as my Carbon with the 45/45 in top... but it does the Job.
The lateral stability is absolutely sufficient.
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How many jigs do it take to do a striped riser?? You ask. Three.
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3 Layers of 45/45 Fabric (90/0 Cut to 45°).
Not as stiff as my Carbon with the 45/45 in top... but it does the Job.
The lateral stability is absolutely sufficient.
So you are laying up carbon fabric in your limbs with epoxy?
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3 Layers of 45/45 Fabric (90/0 Cut to 45°).
Not as stiff as my Carbon with the 45/45 in top... but it does the Job.
The lateral stability is absolutely sufficient.
So you are laying up carbon fabric in your limbs with epoxy?
Exactly.
You Just need to use a bit more.
I saw Whitewolf using colorfull Fabric as Veneer some years ago.
Thougt, that must also work with Carbon.
And it does.
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Interesting.... You could do the carbon weave under clear glass for the Carbon bow look without it being so fragile. Carbon is a funny beast used on bows for backing. It adds strength, but just doesn't take the abuse that glass will... Where glass will splinter, carbon goes Boom! you are done...
I've done a few bows with silk fabric under clear glass and it came out good... I had a leopard skin silk bow built at hunting weight i used for a display bow for years. Could have sold a lighter version to the girls many times. But i never could find a gal that could draw 55@28"...LOL The guys wouldn't touch it.... I had it on display for two years all over the country and couldn't sell it. I finally had it camo dipped and sold it almost instantly.... Never told the guy it had lepard skin under the camo job..... Kirk
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Yes, directly under the Glass gives the best effect
Under Veneer the effect dimishes a bit, because the Carbon ist closer to the Center.
I have built Lots of bows with Carbon Fabric unser Glass.
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Check your PMs-------
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Me?
I answered some days ago?
Did the Internet eat my Response?
No new messege.
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I found it thanks.
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Heat-treated some red oak I got from a friend. First time working red oak from a tree. It's, um, not osage. But I won't be an osage cultist here. I've been out of the heat-treating business for a minute and understand all the cool kids are using charcoal nowadays. But I'm a traditionalist and decided to use Marc St. Louis' technique from TBBIV. Call me old fashioned if you like :) He says in his chapter that red oak has a "good" response to his efforts. We'll see.
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To psych myself up for using red oak from a tree, I re-read Tim Baker's design chapter in TBBI. I really appreciate, even today, almost 30 years after he wrote it, the straightforward way it is written. I forget how earth-shattering that series of books was in ushering in a whole new generation of bowyers. Hamm et all should be proud, even from above.
All that said, nary a mention of red oak. Baker's such a snob :)
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Red oak from a tree isn't the same as red oak from Lowe's or Home Depot. To me it seemed a lot stronger and more resilient.
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I hope so. I have a bunch of it. Boned out the log December 2 of last year so it has been in the attic for 6 months. Seems pretty dry. No real issues with the dry heat last night. We'll see. I may have scorched the back a bit. this was a practice piece anyway but I want it to survive at least. The 3 biggest staves I'm going to compare no heat v. using the heatgun v. the charcoal method. Should be fun. You got any advice on specs that have worked for you Pat? they are 72" x 2" now so the sky's the limit. [ You are not allowed to view attachments ] [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
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Marc way is slow but I think it's the best way. :thumbsup:
I did a Ash stave and it took 2 hours to do 1 limb, really nice deep heat treat.
The fire way you can't see under there, not worth the time to me.
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Red oak from a tree isn't the same as red oak from Lowe's or Home Depot. To me it seemed a lot stronger and more resilient.
I think it’s the diff between air dried and kiln dried 🤔
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...plus, you don't know how the log was handled from the stump to the store shelf. Wood for building bows is generally handled gingerly to protect the integrity needed for building bows. Lumber for furniture and construction isn't handled so gingerly.
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Got myself a new photo Background.
And played around a bit with indirect flashlight.
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Got myself a new photo Background.
And played around a bit with indirect flashlight.
It's pretty dark.... Kinda takes away from your riser IMO. It would probably work better on a light colored bow like the limbs in the second photo, but i think you would be better with a lighter color.
.02 cents
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A light blue works pretty good
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Brain Tanned a squirrel hide. Breaking it tonight. Might use it for a handle wrap.
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Of course i had to eat the little bugger :)
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Did you use the skwerls brain 🧠?
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Yes.
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Will you explain the tanning process? Food looks good.
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I've never done this before so I should not be the one to instruct. Like most things nowadays, I went to YouTube :) These two vids are closest to what I did. I have always thought I wanted to do a deer hide. Even got a DVD and book several years ago but never followed through. I wanted to practice on something smaller before trying it this fall. Like most things primitive, it's simple but not easy. I have more pics but they get a bit more gory. Don't want to be demonetized here on TG :)
Basic steps:
1. Shoot squirrel
2. Skin squirrel
3. Flesh hide
4. Get the membrane off as much as possible
5. Get brains out of squirrels' skull, hammer and wire cutters made it easy to pop the top, so to speak
6. Mix brains and Borax
7. Rub paste onto skin for a couple hours
8. Scrape hair off. This one slipped pretty easy after the braining. I did not have to buck it which would be required for deer.
9. I stretched on a frame but if you case skinned, you could use a hide stretcher.
10. Let it dry.
11. Break it.
12. Smoke it
I still have to do 11. and 12.
https://youtu.be/jqO-YML5RhA
https://youtu.be/Ruiwh_xvAYA
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Okay, thank you.
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My back has been feeling a bit better…. Got a bit of shop time in.
Walnut riser/ figured maple i beam
Bamboo limbs / curly walnut veneers
My first T/D in progress .
Tried 3 times to turn picture :dunno:
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I recently built 3 curves and complete turquious bow and a set of limbs for another. The turquious one is 61 in. 43 @ 28 and the other limbs are 43 also shooting for 40. Switching from BP glass to Gordons.Anyhow hope somebody is not mad ..
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Been a busy spring and early summer. So I buckled down and got my adjustable riser finished finally. Still learning the nuances of milling aluminum and made some mistakes on the handle section as it was supposed to be a riser I could shoot. So I squared it off to put on a draw board.
Hopefully this will save some time by being able to better match riser geometry to limb design.
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Wow! I’ll bet that dove tail joint was fun to mill….That’s quite a contraption you built there. Can I ask why you went to all the trouble to build the adjustable grip depth feature?
I’ll bet you had a pretty good pile of aluminum shavings after that project…. :biglaugh:
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Not just today but I've been tillering the boo backed osage glue-up James Parked gave me at the Classic. The tillering is done and I have 4 coats of Tru-Oil on her. Should be done in a few days(if it would quit raining) and I'll post more pics then.
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bottom bow in this pic
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Wow! I’ll bet that dove tail joint was fun to mill….That’s quite a contraption you built there. Can I ask why you went to all the trouble to build the adjustable grip depth feature?
I’ll bet you had a pretty good pile of aluminum shavings after that project…. :biglaugh:
It's a contraption for sure. My thoughts on the movable grip was to actually shoot with this riser and play with different deflex geometry in the riser. But, I messed up several times and it's just a draw board grip now. Also, I simply wanted to learn how to mill as this machine is new to me and I've never done anything on a mill before.
Yes, there was quite a bit of chips left over! :biglaugh:
I did cut down on some of that by cutting out what I could on a table saw first and drilling the perimeter of bigger chunks out of the way first.
For now, I've got the shop cleaned up and the wife is happy it is over for now. My shop is the 3rd bay of the garage that I walled off and inevitably, myself and the dog have been tracking aluminum shavings and bits into the house for a while now. :biglaugh:
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Yup…. Those aluminum shavings got tracked into the house from my shop 30 yards from the house, and I heard about it too…. Sticky little buggers…
I guess that makes sense if you were looking to actually shoot with the adjustable riser.
I just use mine for adjusting riser lengths and limb pad angles and measured the preloads with an in line scale. Once I got the limbs to optimum pre load using string length and limb pad angle, I’d mount the limbs on a riser block and measure back form the string to the deepest part of the grip to get a 7” brace height.
I’ve never tried to actually shoot the bow on mine. It’s for prototyping limb geometry only.
Learning to mill Aluminum is a mess… rpm levels and feed rates change with every set up, and learning how much material to take in one pass is a learning curve too.
Quite honestly…. I haven’t done enough of it to become even remotely confident, and just as soon avoid it in the future… it’s a bloody mess! :biglaugh:
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We had a member here who passed from cancer a few years ago. Lived down in NM. He constructed an adjustable riser that he was able to shoot with. Wish I could remember his name so as to look up his old posts on it.
Roy, do you remember his name?
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I built a couple of wood ones that were limb pad angle adjustable out of red oak that i could shoot with when i first started messing with it, but i couldn't change the riser length and i threw em in the wood stove....
What i found the easiest way to fine tune limb pad angle on a new limb design was building the first few in ILF format. then i could adjust as i shot them with the limb bolt. Kirk
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I've milled a lot of aluminum, all it needs is a lubricant.
It mills fast also. Mill right to left starting on the back side and it throws the chips behind the mill.
What is happening??
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I milled this anchor caddy for my boat last year. That’s a 40 pound anchor made for the Columbia river in serious current. I built that too from solid stock steel.
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Mike I think it was Benbow, believe actual name was Galen Benson...
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Maybe I can shoot this thing. 31” draw crossbow! :biglaugh:
I’ve got a question for you guys. I came in way heavy on these limbs for some reason. I had changed my limb pad angle from 17* to 16* to give a little more preload, but didn’t expect them to come in so much heavier than the bow I built for Stic in the swap. Same stack, I thought, but came in 18lbs heavier.
In an effort to reduce the weight I narrowed the limbs more than usual and went way narrower than planned as I turned my thickness sander wheel the wrong way a whole turn.( I made a jig/sled I use to profile the limbs in my drum sander to get a more consistent and even shape on both sides of the limb)
Anyhow. These limbs are profiled more like a long bow than a recurve but seem to be way more stable than I thought they would be. Pics are at 31”. Temp string grooves in tips. I was gonna trash these limbs but am now thinking of finishing them out. I don’t think I would go this narrow on any bow I would give or sell to someone but I’m thinking they might actually work.
How narrow have you guys gone on recurve limbs before? These are 1” at the base of the curve and .5” at the string grooves.
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Mike I think it was Benbow, believe actual name was Galen Benson...
That's it. Thanks, Kenny. He was an inveterate experimenter. He never quit right up until the end. He was a man of Faith.
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Here's his riser.
https://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=156248.msg2698041#msg2698041
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Nice!
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Not just today but I've been tillering the boo backed osage glue-up James Parked gave me at the Classic. The tillering is done and I have 4 coats of Tru-Oil on her. Should be done in a few days(if it would quit raining) and I'll post more pics then.
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bottom bow in this pic
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Nice Pat
Show us a braced and full draw :thumbsup:
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I will tomorrow, Mark.
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“How narrow have you guys gone on recurve limbs before? These are 1” at the base of the curve and .5” at the string grooves.”
I’ve built them that narrow before many times, and the ones that came in 65# and I lowered to 53# were seriously fast…. As long as they are stable torsionally, and tracking straight, you are in good shape….
Believe it or not… it’s the thickness of the limb at the base of the curl that determines your stability much more than width. A deeper core narrow limb beats a wide profile any day in performance.
Kirk
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Recurve 60" NTN 44#@28"---1-1/4" wide limbs at the fades--.002 forward taper.
Base of the curve .940 wide and .200 thick
.437 wide at the nock
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Kirk and Max.
Thanks for the replies. That gives me the confidence to finish these out and not be a waste of time.
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Kirk and Max.
Thanks for the replies. That gives me the confidence to finish these out and not be a waste of time.
Your glue up form needs to be straight with no warping and the glue surface square to the form all the way out.
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Kirk and Max.
Thanks for the replies. That gives me the confidence to finish these out and not be a waste of time.
Your glue up form needs to be straight with no warping and the glue surface square to the form all the way out.
That is damn good advice… nothing worse than building a built in twist to a recurve bow. Even with TD limbs , checking that those limbs are Exactly 90 degrees from a machined surface from the limb pads to the tips is very important.
Kirk
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I milled a few TD Bare wedges today and got a set laid up…
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I done a little horse trading with Jon L. A guy gotta keep a high ender around. Got this Stalker. Not bad looking and a good shooter.
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Just found out something that I never thought would work. I have removed the H&L from my baby drum and use spray adhesive and strap tape the ends. The adhesive had been a bear to get off the drum using lacquer thinner. So I remember someone saying the used mineral spirits to clean the drum. Never thought it would work better than lacquer thinner or acetone. :dunno:
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I wouldnt think you would need much adhesive on that drum to hold the sand paper. Are you using spray contact cement? you would think lacquer thinner would work well... Mineral spirits eh? learn something every day.
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Lacquer thinner and acetone just smeared it. Mineral spirits clean as a pin. Just needs a bit of adhesive on the ends to hold it and then strap tape it down.
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I use the 3M adhesive and the remover, kind of Orange smell
I took the H&L off mine years ago.
also I use the remover on the platen graphite pad on the edge sander to put a new one on.
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I’ve got a 1 inch MDF parallel sled I use for my veneers always had to hold onto them so I have this 3M safety tread product in my shop waiting for something to use it on. I haven’t tried it yet. Looks like it might work? [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
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And I laid this mosaic up I do say I probably will never do this again pretty time consuming, but hey, I got nothing but time right now :laughing:
Cheers, everyone ! B
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I would seal the MDF
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I would seal the MDF
Yes, you bet it was sealed .
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I use 120 grit sand paper on my sleds :thumbsup:
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Put new tires on the Bandsaw.
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Superrecurve(ish) Limbs are funny stuff.
I don't know how they don't have blown up yet.
But they seem to hold Up.
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What advantages you see with those SCs
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For 3D Shooting, what i do in Germany, there is no real purpose in using a SR.
I just built them for fun and curiosity If i can do it.
And because a friend wants a Onepiece bow with limbs like that.
So i test the geometry as ILF, before i use time and good Wood for a Onepiece.
A SR stores way more Energy than a conventional Recurve.
So they will give more punch in a 10gpp+ Setup, than a Standard Recurve will.
For GPP lower than 10gpp, there is no real Advantage.
The draw is very smooth.
Those are very low poundage.
33#@24"
34#@26"
35#@28"
37#@30"
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Haven’t done anything in a while but made it out this morning before it get hit and humid.
Milled up some blanks of black walnut from a branch I grabbed off a job site last year.
Ground down some veneers. Too bad this Padauk is gone loose that bright color over time. Man I wish it would, I’d use more of it.
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Wow! Really nice walnut, and the padauk looks great too.
Dave.
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Super nice Jon !
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Long time since I did any shooting, but tonite I took out my nice trade bow from 2019. Nice shooter.
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Superrecurve(ish) Limbs are funny stuff.
I don't know how they don't have blown up yet.
But they seem to hold Up.
That is the strangest way to address a target I’ve ever seen. You would definitely get the hairy eyeball shooting on a line with that stance. :biglaugh:
No comment on the super hooks… you guys can have em.
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Long time since I did any shooting, but tonite I took out my nice trade bow from 2019. Nice shooter.
Good looking target butt there Bue… not bad arrow placement either… 50 yards you say? :biglaugh:
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I turned 73 today. :scared: :help: :laughing: :thumbsup:
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Congrats Pat! ya got almost 6 years on me. Keep on moving bro....
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Happy birthday, Pat all the best :archer2:
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Happy Birthday Pat!
Bue, I'm still favoring that design for hunting. I need a good shooter to make up for my crappy shooting !! :laughing:
I'm trying to finish up a new kid bow design. 52" FHLB
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I turned 73 today. :scared: :help: :laughing: :thumbsup:
???? I thought you were an old guy 👴 :biglaugh:
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Just old enough. Michael. :thumbsup:
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Made a two piece recurve. 60 in. 43@28. argintine osage riser with regular osage veneers.
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What kind of tape you using there Mike?
And what epoxy?
Looks good!! :thumbsup:
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Built a sled for my wedges to be ground on my drum sander. Until now, I was cutting on a jig on the table saw, then grinding by hand to fade them out.
My sled made me go from bandsaw to drum sander and wedges ready to use in about 10 minutes. Much much faster and incredibly happy with it. [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Since it worked, I’ll make a few more sets on it then I’ll probably remake the sled from g10 or similar. Why not. Lol
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Made a two piece recurve. 60 in. 43@28. argintine osage riser with regular osage veneers.
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Mike, does the Argentine darken the way our North American American does?
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Kenny I get all my stuff from US composites. I use the 2 to 1 slow harding resin and it was getting pretty warm before I got this one all wrapped. The tape is 1 in. Wide. Two layers of glass then a3 foot carbon gives strength and when you are shaping and you see carbon don't go any deeper.
They got the carbon tape also.
A little trick I learned. The carbon after cut ravels easy. So smear a littleCA glue on the ends.
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Built a sled for my wedges to be ground on my drum sander. Until now, I was cutting on a jig on the table saw, then grinding by hand to fade them out.
My sled made me go from bandsaw to drum sander and wedges ready to use in about 10 minutes. Much much faster and incredibly happy with it.
Since it worked, I’ll make a few more sets on it then I’ll probably remake the sled from g10 or similar. Why not. Lol
I gotta admit….. I’ve never seen a sled that was mortised like that before. I think I’d be concerned with saw dust collection in those things, and flipping them over each pass might prove interesting … maybe drill a couple holes to let the dust out perhaps?
I set up an angle jig on my table saw and use a thinner kerf blade to rough cut the wedges myself. Then run em through the drum sander on my sled. When I go into wedge mode I’ll cut and mill 12-20 wedges at a time. I’ve typically got a whole drawer full of wedges I can choose from at any given time. Kirk
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Made a two piece recurve. 60 in. 43@28. argintine osage riser with regular osage veneers.
So what type of release agent did you use on this one? You,VE been a busy boy here lately… :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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I’ve got one going with some beautiful English walnut here that has a bloodwood I beam and matching wedges… I got a feeling this one is going to get some double takes when she’s done…I sure wish I had a lot more of this English walnut than I do now…. When I cut this stuff and dried it a couple years ago, most of it was full of bugs and couldn’t be used as riser stock. I about cried over that… Even the base of the tree was infested…. But… I did get a few interesting pieces out of the crotch and a few out of a large branch.
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Just regular paste wax. That resin gets pretty hot cure and I am thinking it may be affecting the paste wax.seems maybe it's melting it in places . Not sure tho.
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Built a sled for my wedges to be ground on my drum sander. Until now, I was cutting on a jig on the table saw, then grinding by hand to fade them out.
My sled made me go from bandsaw to drum sander and wedges ready to use in about 10 minutes. Much much faster and incredibly happy with it.
Since it worked, I’ll make a few more sets on it then I’ll probably remake the sled from g10 or similar. Why not. Lol
I gotta admit….. I’ve never seen a sled that was mortised like that before. I think I’d be concerned with saw dust collection in those things, and flipping them over each pass might prove interesting … maybe drill a couple holes to let the dust out perhaps?
I set up an angle jig on my table saw and use a thinner kerf blade to rough cut the wedges myself. Then run em through the drum sander on my sled. When I go into wedge mode I’ll cut and mill 12-20 wedges at a time. I’ve typically got a whole drawer full of wedges I can choose from at any given time. Kirk
Kirk- I’m just using ca glue and tape to attach a sacrificial backer, then the wedge to the piece. I sand to parallel thickness first, then slap it in the sled and run through 3-4x. It was a very simple rise over run design on my Cnc for an angle of 2.2°, and as I said, dumb accurate. Works so much better than my table saw did for me lol
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I wasn't aware you were using a cnc set up... whole different ball game there. :thumbsup:
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Full time furniture builder in love with bows. Bad recipe 🤣
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Here is my CNC wedge maker :biglaugh:
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You know something…. That’s not a bad idea at all using the edge sander for wedges like that. I still got a whole bunch of edge sander jigs I used to mill lams and wedges with before I upgraded to my big thickness sander. Hmmmm might have to do some digging here and find them.
The only thing I didn’t like about those vertical jigs like that was my side to side thickness wasn’t as accurate as the drum sander sleds. But they sure cut faster using 36 grit on the drum of that edge sander. Instant wedges! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Well you got to build the jigs square. Get the pieces parallel by running them thru your drum sander.
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Check this contraption out...... I had a buddy on Ifish give me his old Panther T4 remote steering set up that had a bad motor in it after he upgraded to a new unit . It was an interesting project mounting this on a motor without a power tilt with a tilt tube. i had to have a new tilt tub milled, and mounted it with a bracket that fits under the clamps that hold the motor on.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/dRx1gRMe7iTFhnC87
I tore it apart and put a new motor in it, and just finished installing it. I had to fabricate a bracket to mount the steering linkage too that was pretty challenging getting it working just right. The wiring was pretty straight forward and i'm going to run the remote control with a hard wire cord rather than use the wireless relay set up they have for these things.
This is going to be really nice in the pouring rain in in Fall down on the coast, and early Springer fishing where i can set up front by the heater with my wife and still run the kicker.
I've attached a short film clip om my trail run.
Kirk
https://photos.app.goo.gl/wHXvKPtZfqcJYAys6
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I finally got around to replacing the guide bearing set on my bandsaw. I bought the replacement set some time back.
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I think I got my money’s worth out of this one…😬
This was the lower back stop bearing. I couldn’t see how bad it was until I took it apart. The rest of the set were tired, but nowhere near this bad.
I had to run to the store halfway through. I was removing a retaining clip and the little bugger sprung off the pliers and disappeared. I was just putting a finger on it to make sure it didn’t do just that. 🤬
Dave.
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I change my bandsaw bearings about once per 6 mo... but it's my most used tool with furniture & now bows.
Today I picked up a powermax 10/20 drum sander to accompany my 22/44, because it was a killer price of $75 at an estate sale. LOL
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Was givin a small piece of walnut crotch just had to take a couple slices off, milled up a few wedges and was gifted a piece of Peacan that made some pretty cool veneers.
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Those are gonna look great Bryan!!
I put some hunting arrows together in the shop. Gonna heat my inserts to turn the broadheads the way I like them, and when I turned it on and flicked my Bic to light her, a basketball size flame erupted from around the valve base. Geez! Never had that before in the 20 ish years I've had her.
Got it shut off and the tube from valve to head had come loose and was leaking a good deal of propane there.
Figured I'd trimmed my beard and eyebrows but didn't quite get them. Prob the really fast reflexes I had when it scared the crap outta me... :laughing:
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Yes been there done that? It doesn’t take much propane to do damage :o
Got a question so that Peacan had a lot of worm holes and had a tough time getting clean veneers no I don’t think it’s gonna look that good up against bamboo or maple core. I saved a bit of sawdust from when I milled them I thought maybe that and a bit of CA make them disappear ?? Any ideas? 👍
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If they are pencil lead sized holes just make sure they are full of glue when you glue the bow up and go with it , glue should look amber …
Bugs love hickory and pecan is a relative of it
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Yes been there done that? It doesn’t take much propane to do damage :o
Got a question so that Peacan had a lot of worm holes and had a tough time getting clean veneers no I don’t think it’s gonna look that good up against bamboo or maple core. I saved a bit of sawdust from when I milled them I thought maybe that and a bit of CA make them disappear ?? Any ideas? 👍
The CA and sawdust thing on veneers work great.
I bought some epoxy tint coloring in dark brown and black and used it on larger knot holes and cracks in English walnut and black walnut, and you would never know they were there. I had a black and white ebony riser block I saved with black epoxy. Sold that bow for $1200.00 too. :goldtooth:
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I finally Made a pattern Sander Attachment for my Beltsander.
And a pattern for my ILF Wedges.
Well... That's REALLY nice to have.
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That looks like it will work….. question: how do you compensate for the limb thickness between a set of 35# limbs vs 65# limbs? The hardware with the spring loaded pin are pretty much standard length…. Just curious…. Kirk
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I got my own Hardware milled.
But yes, it's all the same length.
I'll compensate the difference with the thickness of the overlay, If needed.
But Not really because of the length of the ILF thingy... the Angle of the Limbs will differ with the same Riser and Tiller settings, If it's Not the same thickness in total, and that would not be good.
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I went from 10.5 wedge to12 in..Could see a noticeable in perfromance with my 26 in. draw. Camo green glass.
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Man I’d like to get me one of those 36” draw lengths!! :goldtooth:
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Oops corrected :laughing:
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Why didn’t you use that fluorescent green for wedges stic? No problem finding that bow in the dark. :biglaugh:
Yup…. Those longer wedges on a short draw length definitely kicks up the horse power. It’s forcing the limbs to store the energy in a shorter working limb length, and loads up earlier in the draw cycle. Kirk
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How much would 2" more wedge shorten the draw length. ?
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Mine are 61in. The wedge works some but a longer wedge would really shorten the working part of the limb may not be good got a real short draw maybe go with a shorter bow..
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Okay so here you go 26and 28. there is still some left even at 28.
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Thanks Stic
That got to be fun putting that board in there. I dont think I could do that with out some help.
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What kind of taper rate are you running on that design stick? That design will go all the way to 33" if you get the wedges and taper rate right....
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The last ones are .003 and you got to do a foot pull to get tha stick in there.
I have not really got room for a tiller board.
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Picked some nice hard maple today' Black and brown dye on the way and some cactus juice.
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Built a funny Onepiece.
58" AMO but just about 47" "Long".
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I have no idea how you even keep a string on that thing.... Talk about radical hooks. :o :o :o I'd like to see that strung and at full draw if possible...
I tried something like that one time and ended up naming it "Flipper" Every time i tried to get it to full draw, it flipped over. :o :o :o Had to change my shorts a couple times over that damn thing and finally gave up on it...
Kirk
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This bow has 45/45carbon on Back and Belly.
Without that 0,5mm (0.02") Layer on both Sides, such Limbs are Impossible to keep on track.
Border, Morrison, Backwoods and all the Other SR Guys build IT that way.
Some use Taper, some don't, some build pretty wide, some go pretty slim.
The String Lifts pretty late in the Draw.
So there is no lever, because the String stays in the Guides at the Belly.
Pictures are Cut Out of a Video, so Bad Angle.
I'll make the "Wedge" thinner in the next build an will add a Front Overlay to maintain the thickness of the throat in the grip.
And i'll need to make other Carbon.
The China Stuff is getting Kind of expensive, for beeing Made in China.
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ok.... that makes sense. trying that with glass is a waste of time and materials. Very cool looking little bow. :thumbsup:
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Jupp.
Without enhanced lateral stiffening.... Waste of Time.
Thanks.
Still needs some refinement, but i'll build some more, when i have got new Carbon.
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ok.... that makes sense. trying that with glass is a waste of time and materials. Very cool looking little bow. :thumbsup:
YUP- did that!! :laughing:
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That bow reminds me of the old Duoflex bow from the 1940s or so.
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That bow reminds me of the old Duoflex bow from the 1940s or so.
Are you talking about the all woo duo flex. I thought it was longer. The one I'm thinking of might have been in one of the TBB.
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Yes, the Wilcox Duoflex. The side profile reminds me of that bow.
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I think Navalny Made Something Like the Duoflex.
But those are two different Storys.
The Duoflex, Navalny builds has a very strong Taper.
I think the original May have the same.
This one has no Taper.
It's pretty much built Like the Morrison SR.
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I don't build glass laminated bows and don't understand the nuances of building them. Like I said before...The side profile reminds me of that bow." :dunno:
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So what exactly is the advantages of this limb design??
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It Stores a lot of Energy, because it builds Up Most of the # very early in the Draw.
So it will throw a high GPP Arrow faster, than a conventional Recurve.
And it looks cool. :archer2:
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Looks cool agreed :shaka:
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Last night I did some final sanding on this bow I've been working on. 64" D/R it was 46# at 29" before finish sanding but I'll have to check that again, which is great because I was shooting for a 45# finished weight. Here are a few photos
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First time doing sheep horn overlay
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Also first time padding the thumb rest out a bit
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I sandwiched maple in ziricote for the riser the limbs are black limba with a boo core. Black phenolic and spalted tamarind accents/overlays
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Nice e
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Nice
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Looks great good job :thumbsup:
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THAT.... Is a cool looking wood combo, and the horn overlay is a nice touch. Great job on that! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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A little something i just sent to WV......
https://photos.app.goo.gl/osZsQDvEgSR4FN6Y6
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Thats very nice Kirk. :notworthy:
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Lots of great color going on Kirk, I love where the top limb meets the end of the radius and you get all the materials at once
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Great looking bows. Kirk, what wood is that red colored I beam?
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Very nice Kirk!!
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Great looking bows. Kirk, what wood is that red colored I beam?
Thanks….
Bloodwood…. Very dense hardwood. Makes great wedges and I beams. I’ve never used it as a riser body before because it doesn’t have much grain pattern to it. And I wouldn’t recommend it for core lamination because of the mass weight.
Kirk
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Great looking bows. Kirk, what wood is that red colored I beam?
Thanks….
Bloodwood…. Very dense hardwood. Makes great wedges and I beams. I’ve never used it as a riser body before because it doesn’t have much grain pattern to it. And I wouldn’t recommend it for core lamination because of the mass weight.
Kirk
Good for showing off your wedges too :bigsmyl:
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Sawed another one in two :bigsmyl:.60in. 43@28 kingwood and tulipwood veneers. I found this textutred paint at Autozone for the grip.
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Wow!!! What a looker! Kingwood is one of my favourites. The grip looks good too. What a great idea.
Dave.
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Stic that is a fine looking bow! I'm gonna have to build the jigs and go down this road.
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WOW I like it
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i've always hated cutting a perfectly good bow in half...... :biglaugh:
Great wood combo Stic! that tulip wood is great veneer material.
What? Did you run out of lime green and hot pink material? :biglaugh:
Kirk
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Gave the deer/elk opener a 1/2 day close to home. Nothing seen or heard. Lots of week enders camped. Was still a pleasant morning in the mountains.
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Made myself some 45/45° Carbon.
My carpenter let me use the Veneer Press to cure some Prepreg.
That will Last about 30 Bows or Sets of Limbs with big hooks, that will need the torsional stability, the 45/45° delivers.
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That's cool nice work
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Yep
nice work :shaka:
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Planned some LVL‘s for a couple new forms, got a drill jig made pretty happy about that and a bow I’m working on. I would sooner go hunting right now our elk seasons on the back just isnt good enough yet. 🏹
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A little preview of a current project….
https://photos.app.goo.gl/hudwsH1bcutHdz4A9
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Putting a leather wrap on this grip. Looking just ok so far. Forming to any locator style is tricky.
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Time for a little food for the soul... Click on the photos to start video clips.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/sCVEEWNkUDHb4EsM7
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I was contacted by a friend recently that was clearing out a back room in his barn in order to make space for some new equipment. There were stacks of wood he had milled over the past decades as he cleared more land. Most was Fir, Larch and Hemlock, but some nicely spalted Birch looked good, and a small stack of 1 1/4” thick Western Yew. It had been laying for almost 40 years, and had been home to some ants for a while, and as it had never been sealed on the ends it had some very large checks. But - it’s YEW! And from a large tree! Don’t need more for laminations but I would never pass it up. Bit of a Wood Hoarder I suppose.
My daughter had commented once she would like a larger Charcuterie Board, for bigger groups I guess. Like 36” long. Perfect!
I sanded both sides down to remove the kerf marks, filled all ant homes and splits and checks with epoxy tinted to Rosewood, added some accent lines and end handles in Paduak , re-sanded to 440 grit, and then let it soak in Butcher Block Oil and finally finished with Carters Butcher Block wax. Old wood can be some of the best!! [ You are not allowed to view attachments ] [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
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My Bad - it is a double sided board - thought I hit the right pictures but….. not. Trying again! [ You are not allowed to view attachments ] [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
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I got some discounted veneers because they had holes in them. (character flaws) With a brown curly riser.
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Awesome!! The more flaws the more they stand out!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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You are nailing your style there stic! I love these color accented bows and I think the shapes are very appealing
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I saw that some recommended Super Grit so I ordered some Zirconia sanding belts and price was good, 96 dollars, but shipping across the Pond is getting high. USPS International now 91 dollars for a 10 pound package.
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Yes between the shipping,taxes, duty,brokerage fees, the dollar exchange ect ect anything I order across the border if it’s $200….. it’s $400 by the time it lands at my door :saywhat: but if it’s something you love to do …we get over it. :deadhorse:
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This one all done. 61 in. 42@38. Thinking the veneers are splated maple.
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Looks very nice Stic, is it possible with a full draw picture?
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But back up to page 33 for FD pic.
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Made a new Set of Limbs with my self-baked Carbon.
Came out pretty nice, i think.
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Nice bows guy's
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BJ-S those are sweet limbs! Do you document your carbon process anywhere? What resin are you using?
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Awesome work fellers!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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BJ-S those are sweet limbs! Do you document your carbon process anywhere? What resin are you using?
I used Prepregs and cured them in a Veneer Press, using the given pressure and about 100°C.
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Just came back to the mainland after a trip to Svalbard,a very special place. There is Polar Bear warning for all the islands. If you venture outside Longyear city which is the only town with a population of 2500 people, you are strongly advised to carry a rifle and flare gun. The no gun sign is from one of the shops.
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I like road trips to Bue :jumper:
Last year 5 of us rented a Van and drove to Cody Wyoming , stopped to see all the sites on the way there and back, good stuff :thumbsup: Long way from Mississippi
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Looks like a very cool place, Bue. The white stuff on the ground looks nice. Must be pretty cold there. I'm ready for that here. :thumbsup:
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Yesterday I got these new limbs, profiled, and a string on them … a major thank you to Kirk for all his help . I had to put everything on hold… back surgery was this morning. They tell me it all went great in the hospital for a few days and a bit of a long recovery at home. Can’t wait to get my life back and get back in the shop and of course, back to work after being laid up for 15 months. 👍
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Heck i got lots of those Myrtle discount veneers with holes lol.
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Finished one up this week in my favorite combo.
Walnut and maple. Love the iridescence in this maple
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Well done Jon you put some hours into that bow …… really nice !
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Thanks Bryan.
Glad to see you are on the mend and looking forward to see what you come up with in the shop!
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Awesome!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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I'm testing out how slim i can go in my recurves and still having strong lateral stability.
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Nice--I like making mine narrow too.
1-1/4" at the fades and 7/8" at the base of the hook and 7/16" at the nock.
Don't have any picture to show much. I did use stabil kore
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If your form is straight and square It can be done without issues. :bigsmyl:
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What Max said and some carbon twill. And ur limb layed out correctly.
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I broke out the FHLB form yesterday day we will see soon a bow.
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I didn’t get much done today, but I did pick the last of the pears from my little tree.we were blessed with a good crop this year and I have already given away quite a lot to friends.
Today’s haul.
Dave.
I forgot, the best one was 9.5 oz!
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/bWgYwAwiR9ew2EKEA
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Dagone shark attack----- :help:
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/bWgYwAwiR9ew2EKEA
didn’t leave you much to eat I’m not sure what swims in your waters maybe seal ? :dunno:
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Based on the shape of the critter that swam under your boat, I’m going with seal too as the probable perp.
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I caught three of those in a row last trip into the gulf stream. Beautiful king mackerel attacked by wolf packs (cuda) only thing to do is move on.
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/Finally got Imgur to load the pics.FHLB first one in a long time. 60 in. 41@ 28 was wanting 40 :dunno: Pretty much green with some stable maple and green glass.
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Fine looking bow Stic very sleek!
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Made a Deluxe-Kids-Bow.
13" Riser, Medium SR Limbs.
14,6#@20" 16#@25"
160fps with a 185gn arrow @ 25" draw.
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Halloween time!
https://goo.gl/photos/JVMpk4Y1PAkU3eXS9
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Cool spiders Kirk!
Dave.
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Not much going on in this shop. getting too expensive to be a hobby. I did build one for inventory but need to move a few to get ahead.
This is a Reverse riser Hyper Stic.Basic KM R/D design green again with some blue. 62 in. 43@28 The riser is Ash with some tint.
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Got some Lams and Wedges prepared for a couple of Limbs...
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My son in law shared this with me today. Talk about an experienced lumber hauler. :biglaugh:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/7tVm635rMGaKHHGh8
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Grinding tapers for trilams, Osage, Yew and Purpleheart. Osage from Rainman.
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Bue
I always like seeing your builds, keep the pictures coming :thumbsup: :jumper:
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Been away from the bench for a while. Had quite a few non archery non-bowbuilding things to get done. So I'm straightening up my under sized all purpose room and in the process knocked a bunch of strings off the wall that were hanging on a peg. Decided to sor them and bag them up.
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Ended up tossing ten and keeping 30. Mostly of no use but ok for tillering. First archery related activity since the end of September. :tongue:
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It’s surprising how bow strings accumulate! I oughta sort through mine.
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I can relate....
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I had an educational morning watching You tube videos on how to adjust a machinist slide table. I was milling a riser first thing this morning for a full overlay G-10 overlay and noticed my table was moving a wee bit right at the end of the travel. I could actually see it in the cutter depth as it moved.. I'm only talking about a few thousandths, but .005 thousandths on a machinist table is WAY out... The specs are .001 - .0015.... So i had to pull some maintenance, and learn how to adjust it....
Fortunately i have all the dial indicators necessary to do it, and it didn't take too long at all. I spent more time watching You tube than getting it dialed in again..... But it was interesting.... Kirk
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To cold to do much but stay in the shop this week.
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Here I thought we had an arctic front going on at 18 degrees with 30 mph winds and sleet and snow covering the Portland area. I haven’t seen those kind of temps since I lived in Alaska.
Unfortunately, my shop isn’t insulated very well, and keeping it warm enough to work out there is almost impossible at sub freezing temps. Everything that can freezer goes into a couple insulated rooms that I heat with light bulbs, and I stay in the house by the wood stove myself.
What have you got going there bro… Zebra wood, with an overlay thumb ledge?
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Here I thought we had an arctic front going on at 18 degrees with 30 mph winds and sleet and snow covering the Portland area. I haven’t seen those kind of temps since I lived in Alaska.
Unfortunately, my shop isn’t insulated very well, and keeping it warm enough to work out there is almost impossible at sub freezing temps. Everything that can freezer goes into a couple insulated rooms that I heat with light bulbs, and I stay in the house by the wood stove myself.
What have you got going there bro… Zebra wood, with an overlay thumb ledge?
Yes, we were due for a cold snap it’s been a very mild winter so far the whole country needs snow or it’s gonna be awfully dry. Yes, a zebra riser with a Wenge beam I really don’t like the looks of the added thumb rests. This is only the second one I’ve done just winging it I do like the comfort in the grip with it , The first one I did without an accent, it was with a piece of that rosewood. I got you that bit me :biglaugh: Here’s a picture of the first one I did, again didn’t know what I was doing. Just did it. I tried to make this one blend in a bit with the grain ,no accent I kinda like the looks a little better.
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I like the look of the thumb ledge with the accent. It makes it less noticeable when the grain doesn’t match exactly.
Dave.
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True enough Dave thats a good point there .