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Main Boards => The Bowyer's Bench => Topic started by: flint kemper on January 02, 2023, 04:29:15 PM
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Does anyone use these in crafting self bows? I have a farriers rasp but know that Mr Torges used the Nicholsons. If you were to buy one which would it be the 49 or 50? Thanks
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I got both of them
Doesn't matter
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If I was only getting one I would get the 49. I have both.
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I use them both on every bow. There is a difference in how fine they leave the wood surface. Get the #50 to start. The difference between a farrier's rasp will startle you. They last a long time too. I bet I made 100 bows with my first pair. Probably closing in on 100 with this second pair now. They are well worth the price but treat them well. I keep mine in cardboard scabbards hanging on pegs over my bench.
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I use the #1, #2 half round cabinet rasps. They don't hog wood off like the pattern rasps.
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I use a #49 along with a farriers rasp and others for different applications.
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You can get these resharpened also, instead of replacing dull ones.
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I would also look at the Grobet rasp. About half the price. New Nicholson rasp are made in Brazil.
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Try to find US made Nicholson #49 or #50. Better quality than imported varieties from what I've heard.
My first rasp when I started making bows was a 4 way rasp with flat/round, course/smooth sides. Not the best quality but got me through lots of bows early on.
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You can get these resharpened also, instead of replacing dull ones.
Thats hard to picture. I've never heard of rasp or file resharpening. Who does it and how do they do that?
I just went and answered my own question. Who ever figured out that process should be in the Rasp Hall of Fame.
And the cost is nothing for the service! It would cost 2-3 times as much to ship back and forth!
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https://boggstool.com/
https://boggstool.com/file-%26-rasp-services
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Boggstool.com
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Boggs - Buggs hmmm.
I recall the blacksmith I apprenticed with talking about soaking rasps and files in a strong solution of sodium hydroxide (lye) which re-established the cutting edges of the teeth. I have quite a collection of files/rasps acquired over the years and I am usually disappointed when I buy a new file. The general quality seems to have dropped off. Maybe I will try other brands. In the pic the new file/rasp is in the middle of two old-timers and it doesn’t cut as well as the oldies! All the same brand.
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Last 2 I got are Heller Brand Rasps. I really like them.
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Boggs - Buggs hmmm.
Nobody wants Buggs Tools. Well maybe a carrot peeler :cheesy:
I imagine the old tools were made with less fussy alloyed steel and hand cut. A lot of old tools are more robust than the modern steel, machine cut ones :dunno:
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I’m not sure where I heard of this , but I soaked some nock files in vinegar (with the mother,whatever that is) and they were really better than I remembered them being new.
It said for a few hours and I forgot them for like 4 days :laughing:
YMMV
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It said for a few hours and I forgot them for like 4 days
LOL
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I’m not sure where I heard of this , but I soaked some nock files in vinegar (with the mother,whatever that is) and they were really better than I remembered them being new.
It said for a few hours and I forgot them for like 4 days :laughing:
YMMV
Anybody can make their own vinegar if they have the "mother" Its like sourdough starter, the stuff is alive and kicking if you feed it.
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Renewing a rasp with vinegar. Kind of a guess here but we’re talking acetic acid here with vinegar. I imagine the acid microscopically cleans up the cutting edges, leaving the rasp a little sharper. Just my take on this.
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Renewing a rasp with vinegar. Kind of a guess here but we’re talking acetic acid here with vinegar. I imagine the acid microscopically cleans up the cutting edges, leaving the rasp a little sharper. Just my take on this.
I think that's right.
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How about 36 grit discs on a 3" right angle die grinder. That would get er done. :o :o :o.....You don't need no stinking rasps...LOL :biglaugh:
But..... i suppose the whole self bow thing is all about using hand tools.... Excuse my poor attempt at humor above. Kirk
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Yup self bows take skill and real hand tools.
Those glass bows are like using a cookie cutter:)
:laughing: :wavey:
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I have the #49 & #50 and use them both on each bow. The 50 follows the 49 and if you follow the #50 with a double cut file, there won't be much sanding needed.
I have them both made in the USA and Brazil. The ones from Brazil are almost as good, and a far cry better than any dept store wood rasp or those 4 in 1 things. Tried that. Once. Threw it away.
Actually, the Nicholson patternmaker rasps are middle shelf in quality and price. There are several brands of better ones with hand raised teeth available, for more money.
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Actually Lee Valley has a line of hand cut wood and cabinet rasps that are less expensive than outsourced made Nicholson's.
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Something to consider.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhlmShaiWCg
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Wow, that's bad. Heat treating guy must have been hung over that day. Lol.
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Wow, that's bad. Heat treating guy must have been hung over that day. Lol.
Yeah, and the quality control dept. must have been partying with him ;)
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Yup self bows take skill and real hand tools.
Those glass bows are like using a cookie cutter:)
:laughing: :wavey:
A Cookie cutter eh? Hmmmmm.... i was trying to come up with a sarcastic comment that would be humorous.... But it's pretty humorous already. :biglaugh:
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How about 36 grit discs on a 3" right angle die grinder.
I have used mine to grind off close to the line (glass bows) on the limbs outdoors and then to the edge sander. :thumbsup:
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I had, and used, a #49 & #50 for over twenty years, then somebody walked off with the #49 at a selfbow jamboree. Bought and tried a new #49, it was a piece of junk. Went to Lee Valley tools and ordered a Auriou 12” cabinet rasp 8g-left (yes the left is for left-handed and it makes a difference). Told my wife it was my Christmas present, it is one of the best Christmas presents I have ever received. By far the best file I have used, including my Torges two handled file from Japan. It is more than twice the price of a Nicholson but is worth every penny.
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I saw another option today when I was ordering a couple burrs from Kutzall. Noticed they have carbide burr files in a few different configurations. Almost ordered one, they make nice tools. I have a definite lack of self control when it comes to tools :banghead:
Their stuff is made in USA and the shipping is FREE!! Shipping is a B!&#h these days
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I was digging around under my bench and found an old rasp I had forgot about.
It's been well used, is likely dull and a little rusty. I would be happy to give it to someone who will use it.
Might not be as great a deal as it seems because you will have to ship it off to be sharpened.
I will offer it to Flint, first, just because, but anybody else interested just PM me.
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Buggs Thanks for the offer but I have ordered another maker.
Flint
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I was digging around under my bench and found an old rasp I had forgot about.
It's been well used, is likely dull and a little rusty. I would be happy to give it to someone who will use it.
Might not be as great a deal as it seems because you will have to ship it off to be sharpened.
I will offer it to Flint, first, just because, but anybody else interested just PM me.
Bugs, I could use that rasp. Let me know how much shipping to 62832 zip code? Thanks
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I highly recommend the Auriou rasps. Highland hardware has a good selection. Yes they are expensive. They remove wood quickly without tearing it up like cheaper rasps. I have yet to use mine on a bow but I use it a lot of shaping other wooden items.