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Title: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: SS Snuffer on June 29, 2023, 10:44:13 AM
38 lb. Kanati longbow 28" draw. Got it narrowed down to two. Treesharks or VPA 3 blade I think.
Shot allot of deer with this 38 lb. bow, allot of pass-thru's but not the best blood trails for these old eyes!
What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: Terry Green on June 29, 2023, 10:55:10 AM
Here's my take for what it's worth, never killed a deer with anything no way near that weight.... but....

The Tree Shark *might* be too wide to jeopardize impeded penetration from a rib that is just not needed for your weight bow. I love wide heads and an not concerned with ribs at all with my equipment.

So, that being said, I would go with, if it were me, a VPA.
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: Wudstix on June 29, 2023, 11:45:14 AM
3 blade gives more cutting surface and blood producing penetration.  VPA is good but there are many 3 blade solid broadheads out there for less and equally good in quality.  JMVHO
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Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: LookMomNoSights on June 29, 2023, 11:57:02 AM
VPA.   Believe they are running 10% off site wide right now too .............
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: Zeebob on June 29, 2023, 12:13:11 PM
I recently got some swamp sharks from Simmons. I shoot a 41-42lb longbow with carbon arrows.  The swamp sharks are 175gr and my arrows weighed 535gr.  They make a massive hole and good blood trails.  I got full penetration on a warthog and an eland , shot a kudu dead on the shoulder, broke the shoulder bone and got the lung. 

I plan to try the tree sharks on deer and javelinas this year.  I think having a heavy arrow that flies well is the key with light poundage bows.  I’m impressed with the Simmons.  Hear lots of good stuff about the VPA but I’m going to stick with my 2 blades. 
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: Bamboozle on June 29, 2023, 02:09:11 PM
Zeebob, that is a nice width and still wide. Much more manageable with low weights on  those animals than the over 2 inch wide tree sharks.
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: Zeebob on June 29, 2023, 02:24:16 PM
Bamboozle, I wasn’t sure how good they would work, but I’m impressed now, as was our PH. He is going to try some himself.  I killed all three animals with the same head. They are built tough and they are easy to sharpen with the right equipment.

This fall the tree sharks will get tested on deer…. :goldtooth:
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: Wudstix on June 29, 2023, 02:38:45 PM
I have some Centaur heads that are very similar that will get a go at big hogs this year.
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Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: Bill from NJ on June 29, 2023, 03:06:36 PM
For 50 years I have stayed with my tried and true Zwickey 2 blade Eskimo Broadheads.
Easy to sharpen, easy to find & buy, and cheap compared to other fancy stuff out there.
They work! And I don't cry if I happen to loose one.
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: charles m on June 29, 2023, 03:30:45 PM
To answer the question you actually asked, I'd choose the VPA for reason stated above.
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: Bullchaser1 on June 29, 2023, 05:15:20 PM
Vpa, great heads
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: JohnnyBa on June 29, 2023, 07:06:44 PM
Here's my take for what it's worth, never killed a deer with anything no way near that weight.... but....

The Tree Shark *might* be too wide to jeopardize impeded penetration from a rib that is just not needed for your weight bow. I love wide heads and an not concerned with ribs at all with my equipment.

So, that being said, I would go with, if it were me, a VPA.
Similar situation here, sticking with a carbon build, are the Woodsman screw ins worth it or do you glue on adapters and stick with VPA’s?
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: Terry Green on June 29, 2023, 07:52:15 PM
Johnny... Woodsman can be glued on or glued onto a screw in adapter....

VPAs are same....

I'll bring some of both Saturday...


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Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: JohnnyBa on June 29, 2023, 08:08:00 PM
Johnny... Woodsman can be glued on or glued onto a screw in adapter....

VPAs are same....

I'll bring some of both Saturday...


Along with the entire ensemble of goodies from the LTR Sponsor Stash.
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Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: Tim Finley on June 30, 2023, 10:56:50 AM
Weve been using Simmons Tiger Sharks and have gotten some huge blood trails I wouldnt use the Tree Shark even in a 50lb. bow its just too wide . I still like the original Woodsman and the Razorhead with the bleeder we stay far away from narrow two blades .
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: Bill from NJ on June 30, 2023, 07:08:35 PM
SS you asked for opinions regarding Treesharks & VPA.

Since you are using a 38# bow, I stand with my original opinion regarding using only a very sharp cut on contact 2 blade broadhead.

From my experience, 3 cutting blades will slow down and or reduce the penetration into the animal.

Same with using the wide and Curved TS.

It is my opinion You do not have enough umph to properly push those broadheads through and into a deers vitals.

Sharpening the TS looks to be a PITA for accurate angle sharpening along that wide curve.

Personally, I prefer using simplistic, easy to sharpen, tried and true equipment.

You heard the saying about "Opinions", everyone has one... This is only my opinion.

Again, since you are using a 38# bow, I stick with my original advice on using a very sharp, cut on contact, 2 blade broadhead.

In my opinion, and again, It is just my personal opinion that many broadheads are just being marketed like fishing lures... to appease to the inexperienced bowhunter by using the look of coolness, look of dangerousness, using a wow factor of the cutting blades, etc,

In reality, using wide and multi blade broadheads have less penetration than a simple 2 blade cut on contact, of known, proven proportional dimensions.



Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: Skates 2 on June 30, 2023, 07:28:24 PM
To answer the question you actually asked, I'd choose the VPA for reason stated above.

X2 all day long with a 1 and 1/8th cut.
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: Terry Green on July 01, 2023, 08:37:57 AM
I have stated it here before many times, and so have others, that 3 blades will out penetrated certain 2 blades in certain mediums due to the 3rd blade negating arrow pinch..... such as thick hog shields.

I know some of the armor piercing bheads of old, aka bodkins, were 3 blades, again, they negated arrow pinch.



Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: SJP51 on July 01, 2023, 09:10:12 AM
I have difficulty getting my 3-blade VPA's as sharp as I can get my 2-blade broadheads.  Maybe that's just me.  But if you are concerned about penetration, then sharpness counts.  All that said, with my 45# bow I get pass thrus with the 3-blade VPA's.
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: blacktailbob on July 01, 2023, 10:15:26 AM
Anybody here that works with knives, snap off blades, etc. everyday knows when that blade just isn't cutting it. Takes more effort to do the same cut as a new sharp blade.
Broad heads can loose their hair pooping edge just sitting in a quiver waiting for next season.

Foe me, the sharpest head is on the string.  I shoot 41@30 and 44@30 and found Zwickey No Mercy2 blade works for me. Slightly longer profile for penetration ( like African arrows ), easy to sharpen fly great.

Two blade NM at 20 yds. He went 20yds.
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: Tim Finley on July 01, 2023, 12:22:12 PM
Terry just said it all Ive gotten better penetration with the Woodsman than I did any two blade .  And on my penetration test on a intact deer carcasse it penetrated better than 6 other 2 blade and the Razorhead with the bleeder out penetrated the Razorhead  with out it .
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: katman on July 01, 2023, 03:11:52 PM
VPA 1 1/8.

Sharpen with this. Slight angle change makes a difference.

https://staysharpguide.com/products/344
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: kennym on July 01, 2023, 03:21:48 PM
Bro shot two pretty good sized MO bucks last fall with a 42@28 bow and VPA 200 three blades.  One arrow fell out first jump, other was stickin in the dirt.  Neither went over a hundred yards.
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: matt steed on July 01, 2023, 11:21:46 PM
Shoot the broadhead that you are the most accurate with. I have shared these pictures several times. My son shot this hog with a 32# Kodiak Magnum, Goldtip traditional shaft, 200 grain Woodsman broadhead. He got a complete pass through at 20 yards. The hog weighed about 115 pounds. I have always used a flat file to sharpen our 3 blade heads.

He was 11 years old at the time.
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: Wudstix on July 01, 2023, 11:32:24 PM
I've shot Snuffer, Grizzly Instinct, Woodsman, VPA and all have ended up stuck in the ground or brush on the other side game.  Have also shot ACE, Magnus and Ribtek that did the same thing.  One was a neck shot with a Magnus.
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Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: Terry Green on July 02, 2023, 08:31:12 AM
I have difficulty getting my 3-blade VPA's as sharp as I can get my 2-blade broadheads. 

VPAs are the BIGGEST no brainer heads to sharpen.

See this.....



'Diamond Sharpening Steel, 8 Inch Professional Extra Fine Oval Knife Sharpener Steel Rod Kitchen Diamonds Coated Honing Steel for Chefs Honing Butcher Knives'.

Can be oval, round, or 3 sided with 3 different grits like I use, makes no matter...

Set the back of 2 blades on the sharpener and pull back, rotate and do it again and again till done.  Out of the pack it shouldn't take more than 5 strokes a side. Light pressure till the last two rotations then very light.

Sharp and durable is what you want, not so sharp the edge will roll, like a razor blade. This method will achieve a very durable and deadly edge.





Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: varmint101 on July 02, 2023, 09:12:41 AM
Preface this by saying I really don’t know from personal experience shooting that light. In my mind I would use the VPA’s or not use the tree shark but a different simmons like a tiger shark. Whatever you use make sure your arrow WITH broadhead chosen are shooting perfectly and make sure the heads are as sharp as can be. That will make the most difference along with accuracy.
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: F. Dobbs on July 02, 2023, 03:11:44 PM
Tried and true, yep, that fits the 3 blade bodkin of medieval days. If a man can't get through and into the vitals of a whitetail with a 3 blade he needs to pick up a gun.  I'm also not sharpening challenged for the Simmons heads either.  I liked their 4 blade Tigers but they don't make them anymore it seems.  I should have bought more back in the day.
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: Mint on July 10, 2023, 05:32:15 PM
I like the land shark and the tiger shark and believe the sloping angled blade greatly helps in cutting and penetration. Like the scimitar blade sword does for cutting with the stroke. Using the cheap rada can get the simmons heads shaving sharp in a minute or two. 
Title: Re: Help me chose a broadhead
Post by: Friend on July 10, 2023, 11:07:48 PM
Have experience using both the VPA 3 blade and the Simmons Tree Sharks on many critters....both are lethal pending reasonable shot placement....my personal opinion may only add to the pot of confusion.