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Title: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: NinjaVanish on July 12, 2023, 11:02:04 AM: Long story short, I'm going to the MO/Iowa border at the end of October and plan on using the following:

55# @ 29" Toelke Whistler
XX75 2018 with standard RPS
Aluminum adapter with 165 gr Treeshark
TAW around 610

This arrow setup shoots really really well out of my bow. I'm very accurate out to 30 yards.

The real question is that I have never taken down a midwest caliber deer with this setup. The deer down here in TN tend to be much smaller. I did take a decent 9 point last year with a Cutthroat up front on a 2117 shaft. He may have weighed 130-140 lbs. I did get a passthrough but the shaft did snap in half. The deer made a death run of about 65 yards and crashed into a brush pile. Double lung, textbook, etc.

Does the combination of the aluminum shaft and wide diameter of the treeshark give you any pause? Again, accuracy is so good with this setup, and I do not want to change it up. If I limit myself to high % broadside/quartered away shots, I'm good right?

Any first hand experience with larger bodied deer with a Simmons/Aluminum combo would be great to hear!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: Crash on July 12, 2023, 11:24:11 AM: You shouldn't have any worries with that setup, you could kill an elk with that.
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: dnovo on July 12, 2023, 11:45:21 AM: I'm in MO and I wouldn't hesitate with that setup up. I'm hunting MO bucks with a 49# longbow and wood arrows and have no worries.
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: kennym on July 12, 2023, 11:47:01 AM: No worries about setup , I'm 45 miles from IA border , bro killed 2 pretty good bucks last year with a 42@28 D/R bow and 500 grain arrow with a 3 blade VPA

First buck the arrow fell out first jump, second buck arrow stuck in dirt...

Put it where it needs to be and all good... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: NinjaVanish on July 12, 2023, 11:54:20 AM: That's awesome to hear. I generally don't like to make posts like this, but it does boost my confidence. Thanks, guys. :archer2:
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: Wudstix on July 12, 2023, 04:34:20 PM: All the advice above is very sound. Hit them where you would a TN deer and you'll have a good day.
:campfire: :coffee: :archer2: :campfire:
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: Lefty on July 13, 2023, 07:42:38 AM: As long as your setup is tuned (and it sounds like it is), you will do fine. I am in SE Iowa, if you need help dragging :bigsmyl:.
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: soap creek on July 13, 2023, 11:29:40 AM: Your set will work just fine. I've hunted Southern Iowa with traditional equipment for 42yrs. The last few years with bows in the 45-50lbs range and 2016s aluminum arrows. No problem at all. Good luck hunting. If you need help with something let me know. Greg :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: NinjaVanish on July 13, 2023, 11:47:00 AM: Nice! That really solidifies my thinking if you're using the 2016 with a slightly thinner wall.
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: KAZ on July 14, 2023, 08:05:25 PM: Indeed plenty when you place it in the goodies… Been doing it awhile here in Iowa with 52-57lbs @28” draw from small to Jumbo. 575 to 650 Grain, Single Bevel 1-1/4” 2 Blade to VPA 1-1/4” 3 Blade. Focus confidently and enjoy. Good Providence :campfire:
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: NinjaVanish on July 15, 2023, 07:40:10 PM: Shooting aluminums too?
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: KAZ on July 15, 2023, 09:24:01 PM: Over the years, aluminum, carbon, and FMJ Carbon Core Aluminum outside…
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: Kirkll on July 16, 2023, 10:45:51 AM: Quote from: NinjaVanish on July 15, 2023, 07:40:10 PM
Shooting aluminums too?

Aluminum arrows are hands down the most consistent arrows on the market for spine and weight from one arrow to the next, and are very easy to tune. The 2018 has a good thick wall, as well as the 2016 and should hold up pretty well. Once you start going down to lighter aluminum arrows such as the 2015 or 2013, they bend pretty easily by comparison.

With that being said… I’ve killed quite a few elk with 2013 arrows, but these were short arrows moving very fast. Your set up would kill elk no problem.

The only down side to aluminum arrows is that once they are bent, they are worthless. Straightening aluminum arrows is a waste of time. They will never fly the same again, and should be broken over your knee so you aren’t tempted to use them again. Kirk
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: Terry Green on July 16, 2023, 02:24:34 PM: Quote from: NinjaVanish on July 15, 2023, 07:40:10 PM
Shooting aluminums too?

Some arrows, and some materials, are tuffer than others..... no need to go down that rabbit hole so no need to worry about that.

610 grains is what speaks the loudest.
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: Terry Green on July 16, 2023, 06:48:07 PM: Here, let me further set your mind at easy.....

I shot this last year.... the lightest bow weight kill of mine by far .....

50#@28 - 535 grain arrow - 4 Blade Z..... Pass through....
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: NinjaVanish on July 17, 2023, 09:21:52 AM: Nice!

So, over the weekend, I was doing some shooting and sent a couple through a pretty beat up target. Both arrows bent hitting TN rock. Down two arrows in about a half hour. Don't like that too much... These are the 3rivers Autumn Orange ones too. Too damn pretty to be bending on me.

And I agree with the poster above about not wasting time trying to straighten. Been there done that.
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: Terry Green on July 17, 2023, 09:40:17 AM: Quote from: NinjaVanish on July 17, 2023, 09:21:52 AM
Nice!

And I agree with the poster above about not wasting time trying to straighten. Been there done that.

Yes, that's why I hunt mostly with carbon. My choice is tuffer than aluminum and is either straight or broke.

Damned O'l 4 blades....
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: Gun on July 17, 2023, 06:55:45 PM: If it will boost your confidence, I killed this Bull last year w a 40# Bear TD. 560gr arrow w a Cutthroat BH. While not a pass thru it was double lung. He died in sight after making it about 45 paces.

A little twinkie whitetail?! Piece of cake! :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: NinjaVanish on July 18, 2023, 08:23:19 AM: That's awesome. Yeah, the weight isn't the concern, it's the aluminum. Even so, I built up some carbons last night with a GS outsert, brass behind it with about 310 total upfront for a 588 TAW. My target needs to be replaced, but i tried to squeeze one in... the arrow blew threw it, hit a huge rock, shot up into the air up the hill and rattled against a fence. Took me a minute to find it through some tall brush, but it was unscathed. I bent two aluminums the other day with just the arrow going through the target and hitting a small rock. I think I may have answered my own question... I'm sure the ally would be fine through an animal one time, but I shoot a lot. Bending is just going to happen where I'm at. There is rock everywhere, even when you can't see it, it's there.
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: Bamboozle on July 18, 2023, 10:09:01 AM: Shut up and go hunting, you're fine. :readit:
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: NinjaVanish on July 18, 2023, 11:16:34 AM: I don't disagree. I gotta wait til October though :smileystooges:
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: KAZ on July 21, 2023, 07:27:18 PM: Not to poke your dwindling coals but I cringe at the notion of “outserts”… You may have everything else solved, but for me outserts are headed in the wrong direction… I’d stick with internal components and add external footings or collars.
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: Terry Green on July 21, 2023, 08:32:24 PM: What KAZ said... If you are shooting outserts those need to go.
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: NinjaVanish on July 22, 2023, 05:04:34 PM: Idk these are pretty stout… I’ve yet to break one and I’ve shot hundreds of them. Sent more than I can count into rocks in the back yard.
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: KAZ on July 22, 2023, 07:04:13 PM: Those do look fancy and purpose built. My big hang up is how much typical outserts sit outside/in front of the shaft. The less the better in my opinion which is why I prefer internal weight components and external flush footings or collars that come flush to the arrow face. I want my broadhead shank and threads inside the arrow not in front. Too much leverage added to the front if not. These may be similar or fine if the outsert is a collar that fully encapsulates the shaft end and broadhead shank/threads are fully in the arrow. To each their own experiences. :campfire:
Title: Re: Looking for affirmation on setup for MO/Iowa deer hunt
Post by: NinjaVanish on July 22, 2023, 08:26:02 PM: No I hear ya. Definitely don’t like some of the offerings including Victory’s. These have a good seat and are bonded. Like I said, I’ve shot them a bunch and never had a failure, even out of compounds.