Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 13, 2023, 08:09:00 PM
Howard Hill ~ born November 13th, 1899 ... passed on February 4th, 1975
A man and a legend worth remembering and reflecting - and in many ways, emulating!
Let's keep the HH BUG going!
(https://www.tradgang.com/hh/hh124.jpg)
PART ONE IS HERE (http://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=100971.0)
PART TWO IS HERE (https://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=84642.0)
Post by: evgb127 on November 13, 2023, 08:20:11 PM
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Post by: shick on November 14, 2023, 03:31:11 AM
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Post by: Ray Lyon on November 21, 2023, 08:51:39 AM
1978, 57# Howard Hill Tembo/Hill back quiver, age 17 with my first deer.
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1985 same bow, first black bear, Acme Premium shaft, Zwickey 2 blade Delta
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1987, 2nd trip to Colorado from MI, 85# Howard Hill Big Five, same quiver, Kustom King Arrow (before they became Archer) with lots of Zwickey judo points for grouse.
Always had an affection for ASL bows. They’re just fun to shoot.
Post by: shick on November 21, 2023, 09:37:03 AM
Shick
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Post by: trad_hunter on November 24, 2023, 07:23:40 AM
Looking forwards to reading and learning more on here. If anyone has any low weight bows for sale 40-44@28” 68-70” send me a text or call 828-855-5480
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 24, 2023, 07:41:24 AM
I suppose I am new and hooked. I received my very first ASL on Monday October 30th which was. 66” Creek Walker Gator. I tuned arrows close enough and too my first deer which was a decent buck on public on Friday November 3rd. I have now tried many bows and seem to prefer a 68-70” bow with a slight dished grip. I am still learning and trying bows. I prefer 46-48 pounds at 30” draw. I have a true 30” draw.
Looking forwards to reading and learning more on here. If anyone has any low weight bows for sale 40-44@28” 68-70” send me a text or call 828-855-5480
Give the Black Hunter 3pc longbows a glance. I've had 3 or 4 of them and I will attest to their good value and performance. Their limb cores are bamboo, for very smooth drawing, particularly for long draw archers. Yes, they are both cheap ($150) and made on the Pacific Rim, but they are *that* good.
I, nor Trad Gang, have any affiliation with these bows or their manufacturer. They're just truly really good bows for the buck and my recommendation for a newbie getting into trad archery/bowhunting. Add in some matched carbons and go kill something for suppers. :saywhat: :campfire:
https://www.mandarinduck.net/product/black-hunter-60-take-long-bow-right-hand/
Post by: trad_hunter on November 24, 2023, 07:45:15 AM
I suppose I am new and hooked. I received my very first ASL on Monday October 30th which was. 66” Creek Walker Gator. I tuned arrows close enough and too my first deer which was a decent buck on public on Friday November 3rd. I have now tried many bows and seem to prefer a 68-70” bow with a slight dished grip. I am still learning and trying bows. I prefer 46-48 pounds at 30” draw. I have a true 30” draw.
Looking forwards to reading and learning more on here. If anyone has any low weight bows for sale 40-44@28” 68-70” send me a text or call 828-855-5480
Give the Black Hunter 3pc longbows a glance. I've had 3 or 4 of them and I will attest to their good value and performance. Their limb cores are bamboo, for very smooth drawing, particularly for long draw archers. Yes, they are both cheap ($150) and made on the Pacific Rim, but they are *that* good.
https://www.mandarinduck.net/product/black-hunter-60-take-long-bow-right-hand/
Hey buddy I am new to ASL (HH bows) not new to the traditional archery scene well I am fairly new I started shooting a recurve in 2020, I’ve taken my 46th animal this year with a stick bow.
Thanks for the heads up, I’ve had numerous black hunters along with allot of other high end recurves and R/D long bows. I am only interested in HH style bows now.
Thank you so much for your advice and help.
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Post by: two4hooking on November 27, 2023, 06:01:59 PM
Don’t want to hurt a dog and these heads should do nicely.
Hope it comes together.
Post by: frassettor on December 17, 2023, 05:05:14 PM
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Post by: two4hooking on December 18, 2023, 08:08:21 PM
Post by: evgb127 on December 18, 2023, 08:40:03 PM
I’m still working on our pheasant hunt. Stay tuned.
Post by: two4hooking on December 19, 2023, 03:52:10 PM
Post by: Wilderlife on December 20, 2023, 04:01:17 PM
I have three big elm trees in my yard and one of them suffered badly in a drought a few years ago so I cut out some of the dead branches from the canopy early this year. Some of them were long enough to get some veneers out of for bows, so they will be included in the bow.
I also have a deep appreciation for red ironbark - a kind of hardwood tree here in Australia. It's fantastic for firewood, smoking meat, and other carpentry stuff. Without a doubt, some of the hardest and best firewood on the planet. It has a beautiful colour and I hunt a lot on the property where I cut my firewood so I'm including some ironbark in there for the riser.
The limb cores will be hoop pine.
Here are a couple of pictures of the process so far. I'll glue it up later this week and most likely make a dedicated thread about the whole process and finished product.
Riser block of ironbark.
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Cutting a length of ironbark for veneers.
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Elm for veneers.
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Elm and ironbark veneers next to each other.
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Riser block.
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Splicing elm and ironbark for veneers with hoop pine in the centre.
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All pieces ready to go.
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Post by: Michael Guran on December 21, 2023, 08:52:59 AM
Post by: Wilderlife on December 23, 2023, 02:59:33 PM
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Post by: evgb127 on December 23, 2023, 03:34:39 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 02, 2024, 10:35:10 PM
That bow was the one that really brought home what an ASL should feel like for me..
I talked with James yesterday and he has reopened his books and I am about another phone call away from ordering … I was tossing up from the Misty Dawn or the Vixen but thank I’ll stay with vixen..
Maybe I can fight off the urge
Post by: Burnsie on January 09, 2024, 04:28:58 PM
Post by: evgb127 on January 12, 2024, 12:58:35 AM
The riser should be no longer than 12 inches. The limbs should be no wider than one inch at the riser and only .5 inches at the limp tip. The limbs should be built with what Howard called a “bulge,” meaning that two-thirds of the distance from the end of the riser fade-out to the string nock tapers down to 75% of the width and thickness of the base of the limb, then the remaining 25% of the limb narrows to 50%. The end result is a stable, thick-limbed bow with an elliptical tiller that resembles a Gothic arch.
I’m not trying to stir the pot, but I think anything else should be called a flatbow. I will leave this video for your consideration:
https://youtu.be/CynXaUIThic
Post by: Hill Style on January 12, 2024, 12:40:07 PM
There are at least 3 bowyers professing to make a Hillstyle bow that have wider limbs and not very thick longer 14” plus risers etc. These flat bows also have limbs with near rectangular shape the sides are square. The true Hillstyle will be tapered to the belly side “trapped”. The narrow deep cored limbs trapped to the belly are one of the defining characteristics of the Hillstyle longbow.There is a reason they are making these flat bows, they are easier to build quicker to produce.
Alot of people like these flat bows and that’s fine. When I first got into longbows I didn’t know the difference either. But there is a difference most definitely. A true Hillstyle bow is all I will shoot. The new fad in ASLs are shooting 3 under with a bow quiver and long hold target archer form. Maybe the wide limbed flat bows are better for this I don’t know.
Post by: Wilderlife on February 11, 2024, 02:43:21 PM
Here are a couple more pictures, but once I get it for real I'll probably make a proper build thread and link to some videos of it all happening as well.
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Post by: Ben Maher on February 19, 2024, 11:12:58 PM
me no compute .....
you mean sling the back quiver over your shoulder ......
.... i had to go there , you knew I would :biglaugh:
Post by: Wilderlife on February 20, 2024, 03:24:32 AM
Woodies and split for ABA, and carbons with three under for hunting. Bow quiver probably for hunting but hip quiver for ABA. No back quiver! Maybe I should get one? :biglaugh:
Post by: John Whitaker on February 21, 2024, 01:55:45 AM
No back quiver! Maybe I should get one? :biglaugh:
Absolutely! :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :thumbsup: Make one or ask Nate to make one for you! Game changer along with a good swing draw, just sayin'
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Post by: Basil_K on February 21, 2024, 09:13:15 AM
Looks like I might need to order one real soon.
Post by: 58WINTERS on February 27, 2024, 02:25:28 PM
Post by: Wilderlife on February 27, 2024, 02:33:05 PM
Not sure the speed of the arrows yet but they've tuned beautifully at 30.25in carbon to carbon with about 220gn total on the front. They weigh about 490gn, so will be interesting to see the speed out of a 45# bow, not that it matters. My favourite thing about the tune (and what I was striving for) is how long they are, so my point on is only around 20 metres, which is where I want it for the sort of hunting I do.
I might put together a big thread about this soon, as I mentioned before. I have heaps of cool pictures to share. For now, here are a couple more of the bow.
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Post by: two4hooking on April 10, 2024, 09:53:22 AM
A little practice for me this week getting ready for gobblers. :archer2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIJXch2tq4U
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Post by: evgb127 on April 19, 2024, 07:08:04 PM
A little while back I took this bow on trade, intending to use it as my new bow fishing rig. I asked Craig to reshape the grip and refinish it with a gloss finish. It showed up today with no notice. I’m pretty pleased with the results and very sad that Craig is retiring!
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Post by: toddster on April 19, 2024, 09:29:26 PM
Post by: MnFn on April 20, 2024, 01:33:30 PM
PM coming your way.
Post by: Wudstix on April 25, 2024, 07:13:25 PM
:campfire: :coffee: :archer2: :campfire:
Post by: Overspined on April 30, 2024, 08:08:10 AM
They’re American traditional, simple, elegant, and effective.
The original hill bows were wood self bows, lemonwood. They tapered to the belly to keep the back stable and strong, and that’s how you carve out a self bow. Tapering to the back with glass is more stable. The back glass basically holds the bow together, leaving the belly glass wider and that’s your power glass, and gives the compression. So we typically use thicker glass on belly and thinner on the back. It’s fun to debate what’s true Hill or not, and there’s basically little made today like the bows of the past. Materials are different, processes and materials are better, different, and each bow is its own creation. Some are 1” at the fades, some are not even an inch, and some over. Not really a big deal, risers are of little consequence whether they’re 12”,13” or whatever. The working limb length isn’t affected much or at all depending, especially with long bows of 68” ish. It’s great when you watch video on Hill crafting a bow, how he just cranks it out with minimal exacting specs, mostly by feel and eye.
I couldn’t agree more with shootability, some bows just don’t feel like others. There’s often a huge difference in feel.
Gluing up a Reverse Handle this evening…
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Post by: Sant-Ravenhill on July 19, 2024, 10:41:08 PM
I loved having Craig just 60 miles south of Missoula where I live. I had HH build a bow for my grandson last year. He and Howard Hill share the same birthday so I thought it was appropriate.
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Post by: MnFn on August 01, 2024, 08:19:25 PM
48@28, 66” backset. I’m hitting pretty good at 15 yards, havnt gone much further yet.
Osage riser, Yew and bamboo lam, Yew veneers.
Post by: Gordon Jabben on August 01, 2024, 08:53:11 PM
Post by: MnFn on August 02, 2024, 12:06:50 PM
It’s about perfect for me at this stage of my life. I prefer woodies and it shoots 55/60 pretty well, and maybe I could play around with different weight heads.
But the truth of the matter is it shoots Easton Axis Trads (500s) the best. Right now they weigh about 475, so about 10 grns per pound. Which i already had for another bow.
Post by: frassettor on August 05, 2024, 12:25:27 PM
I might be trading for a 45# ASL from a friend. Can I still use the 2016s with that weight of 45# ASl?
I like to shoot heavier arrows from it.
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Post by: two4hooking on August 30, 2024, 06:58:24 AM
https://youtube.com/shorts/7qIKz-XK9QY?si=ZZ3Pzcpm06xrxVm8
Post by: Phil Magistro on August 30, 2024, 08:34:37 AM
Hi Union Jack is different than his Hill Jack. The Hill Jack has four laminations on the back of the riser. The Union Jack has three lams on the back and one lam on the belly. It's a sweet shooting bow.
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Post by: two4hooking on September 05, 2024, 02:35:42 PM
Enjoy some fun video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI1dhy_o-Jk
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Shick
Post by: frassettor on October 13, 2024, 02:07:13 PM
Well, nice fat doe made a fatal mistake tonight. Ace head and refurbished vintage cedar arrow and she only ran maybe 30 yards.
Congratulations! What bow are you shooting? I like the woods in your bow!
Post by: two4hooking on October 13, 2024, 04:29:17 PM
It has been good to me so far.
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Post by: Tim Reese on November 13, 2024, 06:45:59 PM
Not the classiest pic but long story
Howard Hill Legend Stick
Home made cedar arrows and wensel woodsmans
Leather side stalker quiver. (First season with it and really like it)
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Post by: wislnwings on February 07, 2025, 12:05:07 PM
My Schulz longbow with a bunch of Squirrel getters I put together a couple weeks ago.
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Post by: J. Holden on February 15, 2025, 05:32:39 PM
Anyway, it seems as though the new owner is taking some time getting things up and running as their website hasn't been updated and I can't reach out to them.
Thanks! I'll post some pictured when I get some good ones.
-Jeremy :coffee:
Post by: Orion on February 15, 2025, 07:17:30 PM
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-Jeremy :coffee:
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Post by: snakebit40 on February 22, 2025, 05:27:25 PM
Anyone know the current status of Howard Hill Archery - has the new owner given any indication when he thinks things will be up and running?
I'm curious as well... :campfire:
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Post by: evgb127 on March 12, 2025, 08:33:42 PM
Speaking of shooting carbons (sacrilege, I know), I got to try some Black Eagle Instincts today. They flew well, but they are so skinny that it threw me off a bit. I guess it’s a sign for me to stick with cedar!
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Post by: MnFn on March 31, 2025, 11:20:41 AM
I still expect my Black Widow PTF to be my numero uno, but I do enjoy shooting ASL also!