Post by: Mad Max on January 14, 2024, 04:53:37 PM
Not what, but WHEN????????????? :knothead:
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Post by: Roy from Pa on January 15, 2024, 01:58:28 PM
I bought deer corn today:)
Post by: Longcruise on January 15, 2024, 02:59:46 PM
Post by: mmattockx on January 15, 2024, 04:41:38 PM
Yeah is going to be plenty cold for us too
It seems like a big chunk of North America is in the deep freeze or getting big storms at the moment, from Texas all the way to the arctic. Been brutally cold here for the last week, too. Had overnight lows of -38C a couple days. :scared:
Mark
Post by: Mad Max on January 15, 2024, 05:52:57 PM
low 12 high 20
6 22
5 35
warm up a day and back cold again
No snow plows trucks, so we will see what happens
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Post by: Buemaker on January 16, 2024, 07:30:50 AM
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Post by: mmattockx on January 16, 2024, 11:13:39 AM
No snow plows trucks, so we will see what happens
That's the big problem for you guys that normally don't see this stuff, there is no equipment and people aren't set up very well to deal with it. At least up here we know it's coming every year and everyone is equipped to deal with it. Hang in there.
Making wood arrows.
Now that's a productive use of winter time.
Mark
Post by: Mad Max on January 16, 2024, 11:41:42 AM
Post by: Mad Max on January 16, 2024, 11:42:31 AM
Making wood arrows.
What kind of wood Bue??
Nice :bigsmyl:
Post by: Buemaker on January 16, 2024, 03:04:38 PM
Post by: Mad Max on January 16, 2024, 06:31:43 PM
Norwegian Pine.
:thumbsup:
Post by: Kirkll on January 17, 2024, 11:38:57 AM
But….. we are up to 32 this morning and it’s starting to drip out there. We even have a promise of rain coming to wash out all the ice. I can live with that. There are thousands of people here without power because of downed trees, and trying to stay warm….. I’m hoping it’s done for awhile. Kirk
Post by: KenH on January 17, 2024, 01:24:08 PM
Post by: Mad Max on January 17, 2024, 03:33:39 PM
Well here in the Willamette valley around the Portland / Salem area they are definitely not prepared for this cold stuff. We’ve been jumping from +16 - +28 for the last 4 days and a lot of high winds. but it’s turned into an ice storm the last day or so making going anywhere or doing anything impossible, or just down right stupid to try driving in. Hell…. It’s so slick outside I’m having a tough time getting wood in the house to keep th3 wood stove going.
But….. we are up to 32 this morning and it’s starting to drip out there. We even have a promise of rain coming to wash out all the ice. I can live with that. There are thousands of people here without power becaus
e of downed trees, and trying to stay warm….. I’m hoping it’s done for awhile. Kirk
4 degrees this morning but 30 or so for today, tomorrow will get to 36 around lunch.
Post by: Longcruise on January 17, 2024, 07:00:12 PM
Making wood arrows.
Bue, do you make the shafts? They look great 👍
Got up to 44f today. That's more like normal these days. Colorado: the new Arizona. :biglaugh:
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Post by: Buemaker on January 18, 2024, 08:10:37 AM
Sorry, I forgot to mention that I live on the third floor. ;)
Post by: Mad Max on January 18, 2024, 08:21:57 AM
Sorry, I forgot to mention that I live on the third floor. ;)
:laughing:
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Post by: Kirkll on January 18, 2024, 11:54:35 AM
I've got all this bamboo to mill, and the table saw area isn't heated. it's on the other side of my arctic curtain. i think i can handle 40 degrees for an hour or so, so i'm going for it.
Man that is a lot of snow Bue. :o :o :o I wish we would have had snow instead of all this ice.
Kirk
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Post by: Bryan Adolphe on January 21, 2024, 08:50:31 AM
Post by: Mad Max on January 21, 2024, 11:22:54 AM
Used the table this time instead of free handing the 3 1/4 hp router worked great for the short forms, and a new form for back overlays on a new riser…. Dry run looked good .
Yep, I always get a low spot somewhere on the form using a hand held router, just a little one irks me. I fill it with some Smooth-on and sand it with some kind of lam as a backer. :banghead:
I don't really have room for a router table for now but would like one.
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 21, 2024, 01:01:49 PM
Post by: Bryan Adolphe on January 21, 2024, 02:03:05 PM
Yes, this one’s pretty simple built-in to the side of my table Saw it’s a Lee valley Insert works good for a big router and well supported And then I built a clamp on fence, vacuum attachment when needed. I’ve had it for years , it’s an inexpensive router table. [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]Used the table this time instead of free handing the 3 1/4 hp router worked great for the short forms, and a new form for back overlays on a new riser…. Dry run looked good .
Yep, I always get a low spot somewhere on the form using a hand held router, just a little one irks me. I fill it with some Smooth-on and sand it with some kind of lam as a backer. :banghead:
I don't really have room for a router table for now but would like one.
Post by: Kirkll on January 21, 2024, 02:39:35 PM
I played with shaping riser blocks with it prior so setting up a pattern sander, and I wouldn’t recommend it. Too much grain tear out in spots, and climb cutting by hand with an open cutter like that is not a good option. It’s seriously dangerous.
They work great for a lot of applications though, and are perfect for forms. Just be careful with that thing… it’s a man eater.
Post by: Bryan Adolphe on January 21, 2024, 02:44:16 PM
I set one up years ago myself with a big router and big cutters with 1/2” shank bits.Oh yes shes 1/2” x 2” with some serious rpm s.
I played with shaping riser blocks with it prior so setting up a pattern sander, and I wouldn’t recommend it. Too much grain tear out in spots, and climb cutting by hand with an open cutter like that is not a good option. It’s seriously dangerous.
They work great for a lot of applications though, and are perfect for forms. Just be careful with that thing… it’s a man eater.
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 21, 2024, 09:23:59 PM
Post by: Kirkll on January 22, 2024, 05:39:05 PM
I set one up years ago myself with a big router and big cutters with 1/2” shank bits.Oh yes shes 1/2” x 2” with some serious rpm s.
I played with shaping riser blocks with it prior so setting up a pattern sander, and I wouldn’t recommend it. Too much grain tear out in spots, and climb cutting by hand with an open cutter like that is not a good option. It’s seriously dangerous.
They work great for a lot of applications though, and are perfect for forms. Just be careful with that thing… it’s a man eater.
I have several spiral cutters , wing cutters, and some big 1.25” straight cutters too.
The best one I found was the larger diameter bit with the larger flush bearing. They don’t heat up like the small diameter bits do, and the bearings last longer.
Post by: dbeaver on January 26, 2024, 10:36:39 AM
Post by: Kirkll on January 26, 2024, 10:57:59 AM
I’ll be curious to see what your experience is with that… unless you ran that last taper in reverse bringing it down to .002 forward taper, it’s going to reduce your limb thickness farther out on the limb rather than increase it.
Between the extra limb length, and a faster taper rate, I’m afraid you may experIence some vertical stability issues with that particular limb design. Especially in lower draw weights… I could be wrong though….
Btw….. playing with reverse tapers is an interesting rabbit hole. I’ve played with this on light weight target limbs and eliminated tip wedges normally used on a static tip RC with good results… it adds needed thickness for stability at the base of the curl.
Kirk
Post by: dbeaver on January 26, 2024, 11:08:41 AM
I made the decision on the fly, that extra taper with extra epoxy made the raw blank stiffer than expected, so now here we are in the name of SCIENCE! I guess I should be getting better notes. Someone should write a how to on how to keep a good bowyers notebook.
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 26, 2024, 12:06:12 PM
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Post by: Kirkll on January 26, 2024, 12:22:51 PM
Then I mill the lams, tip wedges, and wedge noting material type. I always use 30” long stock except on one piece bows where 36” are needed.
So by the time I get ready to mix my glue I have something like this on the top of my clean butcher paper.
John Doe, Sas Hybrid, 60” Med limbs, R17- 50@28 target. .290 , 40/40 BG, maple .0015, Aboo .0015, SC, walnut W, 8” walnut TW. ( for clear glass with veneers I use 40/40 CG and veneer type) this will be my log entry after adding the actual draw weight.
After my lay up I take another fresh piece of butcher paper with wax on one side and put it over the one I just slopped epoxy all over and go again. This wax covered paper doesn’t stick to the epoxy well, and can be separated later.
After I’ve got my limbs mounted and profiled using a limb template, and temp string notches, I put it on the scale and measure my rough draw weight, and write it on the butcher paper with “std profile” noted. If I’m heavy I may narrow up the profile a bit and weight it again noting “narrow profile” .
This system works good because if you get busy, or side tracked, everything is still written down, and can be transferred to your bowyers log later.
Warning! Once you have an inch of butcher paper built up, it’s time to peeel em off and log your entries…. :biglaugh:
I built a spread sheet on excel for my log, and color code carbon applications or different limb designs. My logs go back to 2007 or 2008 now. Of course I do not log all of my bows. Many of them are repeated draw weights and lengths. But it’s important to log the odd balls that you miss weight on, or make notes of “heavy” or “light” so you can adjust you stack a bit next time. Noting different materials used is important too. There’s about 5 cents worth…. Kirk
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Post by: dbeaver on January 28, 2024, 07:53:10 AM
Last night I got to work on tips and grip. The limited height of my spindle sander has me wanting to get one of those drill attachments with a handle on one end for making the transitions between the forefinger and the web of the thumb all the way around to the thumb rest a lottle smoother and less cumbersome without the table in the way. Anyone use these contraptions?
Post by: derekdiruz on January 28, 2024, 09:11:30 AM
It was a fun expo- just doubt I return. Too long of a drive for me to just walk around vendors. Lol
Post by: Kirkll on January 28, 2024, 02:51:03 PM
Nice method for the arrows there. You may have inspired me to do the same.
Last night I got to work on tips and grip. The limited height of my spindle sander has me wanting to get one of those drill attachments with a handle on one end for making the transitions between the forefinger and the web of the thumb all the way around to the thumb rest a lottle smoother and less cumbersome without the table in the way. Anyone use these contraptions?
Ive contemplated taking the pivot table completely off my spindle sander for shaping riser grips, but never have.... The one i want to seriously try doing is mounting a spindle i can run 1.5" sleeves on in the top portion of my 80" edge sander drum.... I believe Big Jim has one set up like that that i saw photos of years ago....I'd like to know how he mounted it so it doesn't wobble. i rig like that on the edge sander would be excellent.
Kirk
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 28, 2024, 03:07:57 PM
Post by: Kirkll on January 28, 2024, 03:31:17 PM
Possibly use a 3/8" steel spindle like this one.
https://www.amazon.com/scottchen-PRO-Spindle-Adaptor-Sandpaper/dp/B098WP4DDM/ref=asc_df_B098WP4DDM&mcid=2d182f10b3e83b8796e7d2d9dd8c810c?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80127041604596&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583726559102759&psc=1
But..... Everything would have to be done very precise or that thing would wobble BIG time.
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 28, 2024, 05:32:30 PM
I go thru at least 1 sleeve on each riser. Thinking a belt would outlast the sleeves.
Post by: OldRawhide42 on January 28, 2024, 05:58:49 PM
Post by: Kirkll on January 28, 2024, 07:10:08 PM
A good machinist could do it prolly have to remove your drum to get it done.
I go thru at least 1 sleeve on each riser. Thinking a belt would outlast the sleeves.
Another idea would be laminating a couple pieces of 3/8” G-10 together, bore a center hole & rough out the circle shape on the band saw with a pivot jig. then take the same jig to the edge sander to sand it to size to fit the drum. Using G-10 would be stronger than aluminum and I could mill it myself. This would save pulling the drum and going to the machinists shop….
I bought a case of 1.5” 36 grit sleeves from Super Grit, and use those to rough shape the throat and thumb ledge. That heavy grit lasts longer and cuts the dense hardwood and g-10 easier. Then I use a 50 grit sleeve to remove the 36 grit sanding marks. I had to buy a full case of those 36 grit sleeves to get them made for me.
Post by: dbeaver on January 28, 2024, 10:36:04 PM
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Post by: Kirkll on January 29, 2024, 12:40:12 AM
Also amazing , the amount of hide 36 grit will take off in a single pass :laughing:
Amen brutha…. Amen… I got a few divots out of my knuckles to prove it too.
I used 36 grit on my drum sander for years, then this last big roll I bought I went to 40 grit for milling lams…. Lots of tooth on those lams. The stuff cleans up well with big eraser too, and rarely burns the wood. But…. There are those oily woods that clog up the best paper to the point you can’t even clean it with a wire brush.
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 29, 2024, 03:02:34 PM
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Post by: Jon Lipovac on February 01, 2024, 06:16:44 PM
I have a bunch of 3/4 plywood scraps from a trim carpenter friend of mine so I ripped them all down to 2” x13” strips and glued it up. I’ll be flattening and cleaning up, and getting it ready to press a limb. If it works good, I’ll seal it up good on all sides.
My thoughts are that it should be pretty stable. Could be a low cost solution for those that have scrap left over from other projects.
Post by: kennym on February 01, 2024, 07:24:29 PM
Post by: Jon Lipovac on February 01, 2024, 07:49:47 PM
I, scrape one together tonight with the plywood running lengthwise as this small area subject to any shear pressure delaminates to easily. I’ll be able to use screws as well with a different orientation.
Post by: Kirkll on February 01, 2024, 08:10:43 PM
Even laminating hardwood like that wouldn't hold with that end grain not capped. :nono: :nono:
Post by: Jon Lipovac on February 01, 2024, 08:47:32 PM
I pay almost $145/sheet for that 3/4 Baltic Birch now.
If I like this limb profile, I’ll remake it with an LVL
Post by: Kirkll on February 03, 2024, 12:32:49 AM
Post by: Jon Lipovac on February 03, 2024, 03:03:24 AM
I think ya need some more screws in that form… :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
Hahaha. Yep.
The amount of screws is a direct correlation to how much confidence I had in that crappy plywood that so miserably failed on the previous form. I may or may not have been mumbling under my breath what I thought of said plywood, which may have also contributed to the sheer volume of reinforcement
:biglaugh:
Post by: Kirkll on February 03, 2024, 10:10:20 AM
I remember getting beautiful birch solid core 3/4” for $12.00 per sheet.
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Post by: Mad Max on February 06, 2024, 10:09:07 AM
I've had a difficult couple of days. This past weekend I was cutting next years firewood when the 18" white oak crashed down on my chain saw driving the handle into the ground and bending the bar and chain is a 90 deg angle right at the saw. Yesterday morning when I went to get the saw out of the basement to take to the Stihl dealer for repairs there was water all over the basement floor. I shut off the water and it wasn't until afternoon that I got a crimp tool and plug to at least temporarily repair the leak. Fortunately the leak was on a line to the outside hose bib so after the repair I could turn the water back on. I just hope today is better. :dunno: :knothead:
I've had days like that and go back in the house and watch TV, maybe the TV wont break. :dunno:
1st time with the covid, last Thursday and I'm working threw it, sucks
Post by: Kirkll on February 06, 2024, 12:34:54 PM
I've had a difficult couple of days. This past weekend I was cutting next years firewood when the 18" white oak crashed down on my chain saw driving the handle into the ground and bending the bar and chain is a 90 deg angle right at the saw. Yesterday morning when I went to get the saw out of the basement to take to the Stihl dealer for repairs there was water all over the basement floor. I shut off the water and it wasn't until afternoon that I got a crimp tool and plug to at least temporarily repair the leak. Fortunately the leak was on a line to the outside hose bib so after the repair I could turn the water back on. I just hope today is better. :dunno: :knothead:I hear ya…. I hate those days when everything ya touch turns to chit….
I had my small stihl 021 crap out on me while pruning about a week ago… it was still running, but no power to it, and couldn’t hit high enough rpms to make it work. Last time I took my saw to the shop it cost me $200 and they put a new carb on it…..So I decided to try that myself and save some money…. Completed tune up kit for that 021 was only $22.00 on Amazon. The R&R on the carb wasn’t bad. Took about 40 minutes tops….. Today I’m going to see if that fixed the problem…. Lol… I haven’t tried to start it again yet…. I’m hoping these things come pre set on the adjustment screws like the auto carbs are…. If not I’ll be you-tubing carb adjustments.
Kirk
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 06, 2024, 04:18:50 PM
Post by: Pat B on February 06, 2024, 04:56:22 PM
The saw in the repair shop is a Stihl 028 I bought back in the mid 1980's and have cut a few hundred cords of fire with it since them. I sure hope they can fix it and for not too much. Hopefully it's only a clutch replacement. The motor runs fine and I got all the throttle trigger mechs working.
A new saw is $500 or more.
Post by: Kirkll on February 06, 2024, 07:47:21 PM
All of my small 2 cycle engines get 91 octane with no alcohol. I ruined a Stihl 290 a few years ago with low octane gas.
The saw in the repair shop is a Stihl 028 I bought back in the mid 1980's and have cut a few hundred cords of fire with it since them. I sure hope they can fix it and for not too much. Hopefully it's only a clutch replacement. The motor runs fine and I got all the throttle trigger mechs working.
A new saw is $500 or more.
Yup.... running clear gas, or zero ethanol gas is the secret to success for small engines, chainsaws, and boat motors too.... the saw shop tells me that 90 % of the work they were doing was gas related and carb problems. After i started running clear gas 10 years ago i have had zero issues until now on this saw.
I wish you luck on the repair bill. Kirk
Post by: dbeaver on February 07, 2024, 08:29:07 AM
So I did the obvious and started a black locust selfbow
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Post by: Burnsie on February 15, 2024, 06:48:27 PM
I left two more pretty nice straight logs out in the woods, they were quite large and way too heavy to bring out whole.
I'll have to split them out, on site, and make multiple trips.
Post by: Pat B on February 15, 2024, 10:30:10 PM
Post by: Burnsie on February 15, 2024, 10:39:36 PM
Those look nice. The middle one looks like it may be a bit snaky. Can we see a cut end and the rings?Yeah - the middle one is the most suspect of the three - we'll see?
If I work on them this weekend I'll snap some pics of the ends/rings.
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Dave.
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Post by: kennym on February 28, 2024, 04:32:04 PM
Okay so I got some this off hebay. I think more user friendly than serving material. .020 and burns nice giving you time to smash the ends down.
Yep, I use that too. I leave the tag ends long til I get her tuned and then grab with pliers and tighten em down before burning...
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 28, 2024, 06:10:54 PM
Post by: twobows on February 28, 2024, 08:21:59 PM
I use a Constrictor knot. Look it up easy to tie and don’t move.
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 28, 2024, 09:33:50 PM
Post by: Kirkll on March 01, 2024, 02:49:13 PM
I use the several overhand knots method and go ahead and burn them. And if you do it right they are turntable. Then once tuned you can put a drop of glue on them.
I use the same system with braided .025
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Post by: Crooked Stic on March 01, 2024, 03:06:05 PM
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Post by: Kirkll on March 01, 2024, 03:18:23 PM
I've got the light weight set i'm balancing out now at about 80@28". I'm going to have to beef up my tiller tree rigging a bit and wait on the new scale before i get the heavy set at full draw.
You want to talk about a bow that is a bit tough to string? I can't even imagine doing this with a regular bow stringer.... The system i use easily strings 60-70# bows with one hand on the limb. These heavy limbs require two hands to get them bent enough to get the string on them.
This one has a 21" riser length with a 3/8" thick I beam and has a ChromaPly body. Zero riser deflection at 100#.
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Post by: Mad Max on March 01, 2024, 03:50:23 PM
2 rollers and a winch with cable, pull the riser down. James Parker has one for testing new squirrelly glass horn bows.
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Send me the light weight 1 :laughing:
Post by: Buemaker on March 01, 2024, 05:21:03 PM
Post by: Kirkll on March 01, 2024, 06:34:07 PM
But…those bow presses are designed for compound bows that are around 36” axel to axel and still somewhat look like a bow.
You would think it would work on traditional bows, but it doesn’t. It puts too much pressure mid limb and they blow up…. Of course I learned that the hard way when I first started building bows.
This thing wouldn’t work on the newer compound bows either with short parallel limbs. It’s pretty much obsolete now and collects dust.
Bue Maker, I use the same 5/16-18 threaded inserts and bolts, but they are tapped into the G-10 I beam. So no worries there. But the thing I did learn about these 100# plus limbs is that besides using .050 glass, they need a thin layer of G-10 on the bottom of the limb where it bolts to the riser. These extend past the riser a wee bit to protect the glass at that hinge point…..
I had one set actually fracture the glass at the end of the riser and break a solid rock hard maple wedge at the end of the riser. :o :o :o I had the end of the riser rounded over nicely too, but it was too much pin point pressure for the glass.
The limbs I’m building now I’m using the HD Chromaply for wedges in vertical grain profile. These wedges should be stronger than maple by far. I honestly thought about using G-10 for wedge material and even ground a couple to test out. But… the stuff is way too stiff to use for a wedge at 1/4” to nothing in 12” . Maybe you could use a power lam system with one G-10 power lam along side a hardwood PW. I haven’t tried that yet. Kirk
Post by: Stagmitis on March 02, 2024, 10:56:11 AM
Post by: Kirkll on March 02, 2024, 11:27:52 AM
Kirk thats cool! Im just starting an 85# hill build- I use to be able to string a bow that heavy but i doubt i can now- i remember a couple dowels you used on the side of the workbench. can you share pics and what the spacing was? much appreciated.
I know I did a short video on this stringer set up of mine, but I can’t find the damn thing. I can do another one for you easy enough. This thing takes all the fight out of tillering by easily stringing and unstringing these heavier draw weight bows.
Kirk
Post by: Stagmitis on March 02, 2024, 02:31:03 PM
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Post by: Kirkll on March 02, 2024, 07:28:09 PM
If it’s not too much trouble kirk- it’s know it takes time to do
No big deal I’ll do a clip a little later today…. I’ve got a clogged up sink in the house that needs my undivided attention right now and snake to get it flowing again. Liquid plumber failed miserably….. :banghead: :banghead: Kirk
Post by: Kirkll on March 02, 2024, 09:39:59 PM
Here ya go....
https://photos.app.goo.gl/7dBw2ehLASdwcsC27
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Post by: Kirkll on March 04, 2024, 10:11:35 AM
My wife and I have 42 years together coming up this year. But that included two years of time trials living together. Our actual 40 th wedding anniversary is in August….. where did all that time go? Kirk
Post by: Stagmitis on March 04, 2024, 11:38:30 AM
Post by: Kirkll on March 04, 2024, 02:58:03 PM
Thanks to Kirk,burnsie and Stic for the dowel stringer! :shaka:
Just be sure and use good hardwood dowel stock and no cheap broom handles.... I use oak dowels myself.
Post by: onetone on March 04, 2024, 03:42:37 PM
Like Kirk said, use 1” hardwood dowels.
Post by: Burnsie on March 04, 2024, 04:28:54 PM
When the bow riser is crowned up from the belly with no throat, using a fixed peg against the riser can be dicey as the crown wants to slip off without warning. A shaped yoke that pivots on the upper peg works well, with the plus that it is less apt to mar the surface of a finished bow. Because the bows braced on this setup are really reflexed and want to twist sideways when being braced, I put keeper disks on the ends of the dowels so nothing goes renegade. Two bottom pegs, so the fixture can used with short and “shorter” bows.Joel,
Like Kirk said, use 1” hardwood dowels.
After I posted the picture above showing my bracing pegs, I thought - "man the guys must think I am bracing some crazy heavy bow, (or I'm really weak) with my foot up on the bottom peg and leaning back" Actually no - I do that because I've had the bottom limb slip off the peg like you mentioned. I got to thinking, I should just cut some round disks and screw them to the end of the pegs - and viola' you post your pic with the same idea. A small project to knock out tonight.
Post by: Kirkll on March 04, 2024, 07:55:54 PM
But my 3/4" dowels are wrapped with a variety cushion material and tape. i used pipe insulation on the top one and wrapped that with duct tape because using it on a freshly finished bow can definitely mar the finish using harder material. i wrapped one of the lower ones using rubber inner tube material which is hands down the best stuff for not slipping. i used electrical tape over some thin foam on another one, and that works well too.
That is a pretty slick set up there onetone. :clapper:
I had a portable one i built for going to 3D shoots years ago when i was stringing up 20 bows for a display each day that i used a foam covered rocker block like yours, but mine was smaller and fit the throat of a grip. i don't build any bows with a bulbous grip and no throat like that one you pictured. I would imagine you have different shaped pivot blocks????? er no? Kirk
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 04, 2024, 08:24:46 PM
Post by: onetone on March 04, 2024, 09:55:41 PM
BTW you were the original source of the idea of bench bracing for me. I have one like yours for my standard sized recurves. Makes life easier, and in the case of the horse bows, safer too!
Post by: Kirkll on March 04, 2024, 10:13:49 PM
Check out the draw weight on my new mini crane scale.... I was afraid to leave it at full draw to take the photo and risk it tearing my tiller block off the wall....LOL btw.... The draw weight is perfect too... :o :o
Needless to say this old bowyer wont be getting this one to full draw....
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Post by: Kirkll on March 05, 2024, 01:42:42 PM
Those are some wicked limbs, Kirk I’m guessing you have a beefed up G10 beam to keep it together ? not easy to find someone to test shoot that set of limbs. Well done.
Oh ya.... 3/8" thick G-10 I beam. with the HD Chromaply body.... Zero deflection.... Here is another one i built
for Martin last year about this time that has held up well. This one also has a 21" riser and is cut 3/16" past center.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Jjts4crze3FWJcZi7
Post by: Jon Lipovac on March 05, 2024, 03:26:36 PM
Post by: Kirkll on March 07, 2024, 11:35:30 AM
She’s in the spray booth right now…. The light weight limbs came out 76 @ 28” and about 83@30”….
Here are a few pictures….
https://photos.app.goo.gl/QpFXCsL9qoqwoudw7
Post by: Jon Lipovac on March 07, 2024, 01:06:39 PM
That sounds like it draws pretty smooth not gaining 3.5# per inch from 28-30 considering the draw weight.
I was always wondering who orders these heavy bows from Kirk. So I did a little digging around and found one of them.
Post by: Kirkll on March 07, 2024, 02:51:51 PM
I had fun when the boys started sniffing around wanting to date my daughter.... I told them if you want to date my daughter you need to be able to draw my bow.... The look on those boys face after trying it, and me taking the bow and telling them, "No... you are doing it wrong.... just draw it real slow like this.... " and then id draw it slow and easy and watch their eyes....LOL good sport! After the word got around the school i had a bunch of Audra's friends come around just to see if they could do it. Out of all those guys only one even got close....and that bow was only 84#. I had a 100# bow too, and gave that to my little brother. Isay that tongue in cheek too. My little brother is 6'4" and 260# and can pick up a 327# wood stove like its a folding chair... :o :o :o I was the runt of the litter. My other brother is 6'2 and 210-220# . I've never been over 180# even in my prime when i was ripped, and only 5' 11".
This bow hits the 60# mark at about 19-20" of draw and i do not have any 1000 grain arrows stiff enough to test shoot it at full draw on the shooting machine. But.... i doubt there is going to be any kinetic energy issues with this baby... :biglaugh:
Post by: Mad Max on March 07, 2024, 03:34:06 PM
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Post by: Jon Lipovac on March 08, 2024, 01:16:59 PM
But with these heavy draw weights, it sure tightens up the Flemish weave and settles in longer than a lighter limb does. I’ve seriously considered building some endless loop strings for this one, but haven’t done so….. Kirk
Have you put an inline scale on those heavy bows to measure string tension? It's got to be tremendous!
I'm sure you have an endless loop jig, but I will throw this out there for those that don't. I found this 'El-Cheapo String Jig' instructions on Archery Talk last year. It's a super popular jig that I guy put together to really make professional quality strings.
I built this for less than $100 and have built several endless loop strings, but mainly use it to pre-stretch my flemish strings. I leave them on there overnight at around 300# and never have to worry about ANY string stretch moving forward.
Here is a link to the instructions that include the parts list.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1emLiwuZYNEVW81LP60wQclHOhRhXRHit/view?usp=drive_link
Post by: Mad Max on March 08, 2024, 03:16:03 PM
That looks like a string stretcher.
You said a endless loop Jig. :dunno: I'm thinking a jig to make endless loop strings.
This is the kind of jig I have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=t1JS_kXXeVQ
Post by: Jon Lipovac on March 08, 2024, 04:22:58 PM
I would rather build strings with a 4 post design jig, but I couldn’t justify the price for as few strings as I plan on building. Those are nice since you can use a serving tool. Can you also stretch strings on your jig to a specified poundage? Or do you need a separate stretcher?
The way mine is set up you have to serve the ends by hand. What I like about it is you can build the string under high tension. It uses a specified valve spring that is rated at 300# at 1/8” compression.
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 08, 2024, 04:44:27 PM
Post by: Mad Max on March 08, 2024, 05:09:32 PM
Are you going to wrap that loop towards the center a few inches.
That blue spring is a Die spring, I have used many blue, red, some white with green strip.
Many colors for different #
I don't worry about FF type strings and do like Stic said for B50 type.
This is a nice DVD for building strings
https://www.3riversarchery.com/how-to-build-a-great-bowstring-dvd.html
Post by: Kirkll on March 08, 2024, 05:18:55 PM
I prefer the flemish twist style, and have a string builder put together all my strings typically.
I would bet this 96 @ 28" set of limbs have close to 180 pounds on the string at brace. This thing isn't easy to get a string on it, even with my bench bracing system.
Post by: Jon Lipovac on March 08, 2024, 11:13:11 PM
Correct the base of the end loops get served like normal
Post by: Mad Max on March 09, 2024, 07:29:08 AM
I have made maybe 10, One bow I made years ago needed a 3 to 4" loop so I made a jig.
I do not have any pictures of my jig.
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Normal size for a recurve
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Post by: onetone on March 09, 2024, 11:00:11 AM
Here’s an endless loop jig I made years ago. Six feet long with cross arms out of flat strap
1 1/2” x 1/4” x 10 3/4”. Would have preferred channel but there wasn’t any in the boneyard. Drilled and tapped for the threaded 1/2” posts. Used all-thread as I recall and turned the ends down and smooth. Posts are 9 3/4” apart center to center. It works fine, didn’t cost much and I have made many strings on it. Took some time to make though.
Post by: Mad Max on March 09, 2024, 01:34:37 PM
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Post by: Buemaker on March 09, 2024, 05:41:12 PM
Post by: Mad Max on March 09, 2024, 06:06:52 PM
This is a Binghams Recurve, I made the riser a good bit smaller than original. ;)
Cocobolo and Canarywood
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Post by: onetone on March 09, 2024, 07:13:12 PM
Post by: Jon Lipovac on March 09, 2024, 07:16:10 PM
I have taken to using Bloodwood for all my butt wedges. I like the consistency of it and it has become a 'signature' of my limbs.
Post by: Kirkll on March 09, 2024, 08:15:52 PM
With that being said…. Shaping a piece of Ebony by hand vs using sanders would be brutal and slow going, and I’d rather sand 36 grit sanding marks out, than those deep gouges of the rasp.
But using power tools to save time takes practice and getting your moves down Pat. You can screw things up much quicker too. You learn pretty quickly when it’s time to use your sanding blocks and leave the damn palm sander alone…. You do nice work…. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Post by: Jon Lipovac on March 10, 2024, 10:59:03 AM
Thanks brother.
Post by: Kirkll on March 10, 2024, 10:07:58 PM
Besides just making the whole mixing process easier, these caulking tubes eliminate all exposure to air and dust particles. I think this system would increase longevity for guys that do not use a lot of it too. For me... I just like how handy it is mixing glue with no mess. two squirts of A and one squirt of B and you get a real nice mix that is pretty consistent..
Here are a couple short film clips showing the process.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ag2u4Zas8Ui9zaW99
https://photos.app.goo.gl/UdRMWKQSz59u6fqH8
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Post by: Jon Lipovac on March 11, 2024, 09:28:47 PM
You guys got me thinking I really needed to hang my tillering scale on the wall so I ended up moving some bikes and mounted it on the outside of the shop partition wall since there is literally no room in the shop.
Sometimes you just need a little nudge.
Post by: Bryan Adolphe on March 12, 2024, 12:49:27 AM
Post by: Kirkll on March 12, 2024, 11:50:08 AM
I’ve got a 36x36 pole barn with a wood floor that has a 24x36’ loft area, and I’m still constantly pig piled, and have sawdust on the floors…organized chaos is what I’d describe my shop. I do a good spring clean up every year when I can open up the doors and blow all the dust out and burn my scraps. The saw dust from my table saw alone could fill two 55 gallon drums in one winter. I shovel it into big garbage bags from time to time when it starts getting too deep around the saw and set it outside. I should be embarrassed by my messy shop, but I’m not… when I start tripping over stuff, I roll up my sleeves and swamp it out…. lol
Post by: Buemaker on March 12, 2024, 11:58:43 AM
Post by: Jon Lipovac on March 12, 2024, 12:08:36 PM
I’m sure if I had a separate building like yours, I wouldn’t be as neat as I tend to get working and tools, sandpaper, scraps, and parts are everywhere. With a bigger space It would just be a bigger mess to clean up.
I new from the start though, having the shop attached to the house, that dust collection was going to be paramount. Even then it’s tough. When I mill anything out of aluminum, we inevitably end up with shavings all over the floors in the house.
Post by: Kirkll on March 12, 2024, 12:26:49 PM
I had a lot of my buddies give me a hard time about not pouring a concrete slab for the floor. They said “You’ll never be able to get a truck in here to work on it.” I told them , “ Yup…. And I won’t have your truck in here either, along with all the greasy tools.” This was designed as a wood shop, and has been used for one since I built it in 96’. I did work on a couple boats in there before I got into bow building. I thought about staying with boat works for awhile too, but really didn’t have it set up for that with only one 12’ door. That… and I wasn’t fond of fiberglass work anyway.
I built a few cabinets and some furniture here and there, and filled part of the loft with hay each year for many years. We raised our own beef and put up about 4 -5 tons to feed through the winter months. I finally gave up on the cows in 2020 and bought a bigger boat… lol. Boats don’t eat hay and get out of the fence by themselves. I’m done with those type ranch chores all the time. It was never ending work tending fences and chasing cows. We just buy a 1/2 beef each year now from a neighbor. Lot less hassle, same home grown beef. Kirk
Post by: Kirkll on March 12, 2024, 03:14:38 PM
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/MbpkpzAXqq6y3VB28
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 12, 2024, 04:31:26 PM
Post by: mmattockx on March 13, 2024, 10:44:34 AM
65 more than I need.
+1. 105# is a foot bow for me.
Mark
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Post by: BO-R on March 14, 2024, 09:41:33 AM
HEEEHawww!
Post by: Burnsie on March 14, 2024, 09:51:59 AM
Well i just retired from my job after 46 years...Only 46 years - slacker. :biglaugh:
HEEEHawww!
Seriously - congratulations! If things go as planned I'll be out in 4-5 years at 66 years old.
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Four years left for me , unless I get really lucky… :pray: 🙂
Dave.
Post by: Burnsie on March 16, 2024, 05:12:15 PM
The shaft is a Red Osier shoot. A gentleman sent me a small bundle of them many years ago. I've had them tightly zip tied togehter in my storage room until now. Hope to run it through a deer this Fall. I'm going to make a couple more, hopefully each one will be an improvement - this first one was a bit of a challenge and is a little rough.
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Post by: Bryan Adolphe on March 18, 2024, 04:44:28 PM
Found a cool figured piece of tigerwood had to buy :biglaugh:
Post by: Kirkll on March 18, 2024, 09:51:13 PM
Btw…. Nice job on the sander. You are going to love that with a 36 grit belt. You would be wise to polish that piece of steel with 3M pads and seal it with a clear coat.
I used. 1/2” aluminum on my table and it was damn expensive ….. I put a couple legs under the outside corners of mine to help carry the weight. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Kirk
Post by: Mad Max on March 18, 2024, 10:45:11 PM
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Post by: JW_Halverson on March 18, 2024, 11:53:06 PM
Tomorrow I have physical therapy early in the morning, then plan on taking the dogs to the woods for a ramble in the brambles.
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Post by: Bryan Adolphe on March 20, 2024, 01:52:50 AM
Hey Bryan I have been using tigerwood AKA Goncalo alves for years- That pice looks nothing like tigerwoodno must be the light lol definetly the species !
Post by: Bryan Adolphe on March 20, 2024, 10:10:59 AM
Hey Bryan I have been using tigerwood AKA Goncalo alves for years- That pice looks nothing like tigerwoodno must be the light lol definetly the species !
A wood of many faces, its the beauty of Tigerwood . :thumbsup:
Post by: Kirkll on March 20, 2024, 12:52:25 PM
Hey Kirk, the lighter figured piece is Tigerwood? My wood guy brought a bunch in to mill flooring. I just happened to see this piece and he sold it to me the other wood is zebra and Wenge.
That beautiful straight grained Zebra wood will make very high performance limb cores. I used to use it together with Wenge or Paduke for hot rod speed bows. Very hard to beat in that regard. Kirk
Post by: Kirkll on March 20, 2024, 12:54:33 PM
Hey Bryan I have been using tigerwood AKA Goncalo alves for years- That pice looks nothing like tigerwood
I agree…. Doesn’t look like any tiger wood I’ve seen either.
This is tigerwood….
https://www.phillipsforestproducts.com/Species/tiger-wood
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And here is the riser wood I’m using….
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Post by: Kirkll on March 28, 2024, 11:29:42 AM
Time to put this bow together today.... Kirk
Post by: BO-R on March 28, 2024, 02:10:34 PM
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Post by: Mad Max on March 28, 2024, 05:36:35 PM
that will be one sharp looking bow!
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Waiting :jumper:
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Post by: Noah70 on March 28, 2024, 06:15:55 PM
Never heard of lace maple. Has it another name?
I believe the “lace” refers to the style of grain configuration, also referred to as “Veil Maple”. It’s one of many grain anomalies found in maples, ie. birdseye, lace, veil, quilted, Burl, etc. It can be enhanced by the way the log is cut, 1/4 sawn, etc. its also common in yellow birch, although not as pronounced.
Post by: Kirkll on March 28, 2024, 10:40:10 PM
Never heard of lace maple. Has it another name?
The term "Laced" is used for other hardwoods like leopard wood. That has a Laced grain to it. Its also sometimes called "quilted" maple, but it's referring to the grain pattern. I'm not really sure what type of maple tree this came from. It's got the same white color as Rock hard eastern maple, but it's not half as dense... it's more like western maple in density and mass weight. I wouldn't use it for riser wood without serious reinforcement.
ooops .... didn't see that last post.... You got it.
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 29, 2024, 12:49:41 PM
Glue heater.
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 29, 2024, 12:50:22 PM
Post by: Kirkll on March 29, 2024, 02:02:14 PM
That went sideways :biglaugh:
So what exactly are we looking at Mike?
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 29, 2024, 03:40:10 PM
Post by: Kirkll on March 29, 2024, 09:23:53 PM
I had a half dozen of those at one time, but they were much bigger. The ones i had were 36" across. Used them for baby Pheasants and quail mostly, but used them on fryer chicks too. I gave up the chicken ranching and exotic birds back in 1990. Sure miss that home grown chicken though...
I use a microwave.... 10- 15 seconds depending on weather. But... this is a designated shop microwave.... and after 14 years of bow building its butt ugly. :biglaugh:
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Post by: kennym on March 31, 2024, 02:33:19 PM
Farm work today for me and possibly crappie fishin later :pray:
Post by: dbeaver on March 31, 2024, 02:54:51 PM
I'd like to steam bend some tips today for the first time, let's see if I can get it done. Any tips for 2 year dried hard maple it's got a full width 2 inch profile and I began to taper the profile about 8 inches from the tips. Left them at a 5/8"ish at the nocks for any corrections after bending.
Post by: Kirkll on March 31, 2024, 03:27:01 PM
Those are sweet !!
Farm work today for me and possibly crappie fishin later :pray:
I just got the new tags for my boat, and am getting ready to start fishing for Spring Chinook salmon. The weather changed for the good, and i gotta get some time on the river logged. They are just now starting to pick up fish in the big river now. The Columbia closes on Friday . Just about the time the fish get here in good numbers. Then everyone fishes the Willamette until late June. Typically i'm done fishing springers by the end of May, but the last couple years they have caught them clear into July....
here is our fishing machine....
Post by: Kirkll on March 31, 2024, 03:31:32 PM
Sweet lookin bow there Kirk.
I'd like to steam bend some tips today for the first time, let's see if I can get it done. Any tips for 2 year dried hard maple it's got a full width 2 inch profile and I began to taper the profile about 8 inches from the tips. Left them at a 5/8"ish at the nocks for any corrections after bending.
Most of my steam bending done was doing furniture, and tight radius laminations for canes and such... But i have dealt with Maple before..... my suggestion for bending dried hard maple would be to soak the wood over night before steaming. it makes the stuff easier to bend without any damage getting some moisture into the pores. Kirk
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Dave.
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Post by: Kirkll on March 31, 2024, 11:45:23 PM
Hey, Kirkll, I was at a buddy's place showing him that sick maple you are playing with. All the blood left his head for other regions and he fell to the floor like a sack of last year's rutabagas. He's recovered slightly with the aid of some 18 yr old single malt and asked me to send you a private message with a question or two.
I about spit my drink all over the screen… :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
“Hit the floor like a sack of last year’s rutabagas”…. Jesus! That was too funny….
I still have a large quantity of that curly maple. I harvested a bunch of it myself years ago and cut it up in slabs with a chain saw when it was green, then hauled it to a mill and had them resaw them and run through a planer. Then I air dried the stuff keeping a fan on it with stickers… I was amazed how much of it came out good with no checks or serious cracks….this stuff is about 12 years old and has some wild grain…. I’ve even got some with bullets in it. One of those trees had a target on it and they shot a lot of pistol rounds into it. It kind of ticked off the guy at the mill cutting lead with his band saw…. :biglaugh:
I retuned your pm…. I have plenty more wild stuff in my pile, and just scored a huge batch of black walnut too. Kirk
Post by: onetone on April 01, 2024, 10:48:32 AM
Post by: dbeaver on April 02, 2024, 11:02:40 AM
Tire tube clamp with 2 layers of maple laminations to get back to original thickness
The boiled tip bent way better and only lifted a small splinter
Post by: Kirkll on April 02, 2024, 08:56:25 PM
I have a set up I built that uses 7” thin wall metal heat duct pipe in 5’ lengths. The longest stuff I steamed was iron wood rails for a drift boat that were 16’ in length, but I did it one end at a time. I Boiled water in a 3 pound coffee can on a camp stove. The 7” 90 degree elbow or Tee fits that coffee cap perfectly.
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I ended up just using them for my wife’s flower garden stakes and in the vegetable garden and gave up on building woodies completely. Never was happy with the consistency of woodies…. But it was entertaining building them…. Kirk
Post by: Longcruise on April 04, 2024, 01:07:39 PM
Some of the "squirrel arrows" end up like this. Occasionally I launch one across a valley or canyon just to watch it fly.
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Post by: Kirkll on April 04, 2024, 08:39:07 PM
Every now and then right before he started baling his hay, i'd get rid of all my bent aluminums shafts shooting them over into his 26 acre hay field....It was great sport listening to his mower hit those arrows and listen to him swearing... :biglaugh: :biglaugh: it really made noise if they made it into the bailing machine.... Kirk
Post by: Mad Max on April 04, 2024, 10:22:55 PM
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Post by: Mad Max on April 05, 2024, 06:03:27 PM
Clay Hays has some awesome Videos out there. :thumbsup:
The best way is to use a heat gun like pat said.
When you use a chop saw and you have that tri-pod stand with a roller on top to hold the other end of a board up.
Clamp or tape your heat gun to that over the belly of the stave and work your way down.
I would say 4 to 6" above the stave.
This is Ash I did years ago.
The few light colored areas is where I scraped it some with the finish tiller.
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Post by: dbeaver on April 05, 2024, 06:53:34 PM
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on April 05, 2024, 07:13:47 PM
Kyle
Post by: Mad Max on April 05, 2024, 09:14:53 PM
How much tillering did you do before heating the limbs. This is bending relatively stout in the floor tiller and I'd prefer it come in a heavy bow and like I said want limited set so I'm trying to get a deep heat treat before the majority of finer tillering
I had it bending good then heat treat. That bow is 2-1/2" wide at the fades and 68" NTN.
I like to follow the grain on the back so a little snaky, It's a modified pyramid.
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Post by: dbeaver on April 06, 2024, 10:04:55 AM
I haven't got the bow more than floor tillered, like I said I want to keep the bow stout as possible through the steps. After waiting a bit to work the tiller I'm going to run it over the coals again and this time I am going to look for 350° on the limbs because I think the color could be a deeper caramel without blackening.
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Post by: Kirkll on April 09, 2024, 09:57:32 PM
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Post by: Mad Max on April 17, 2024, 02:27:00 PM
Is that Osage? :bigsmyl:
Post by: Burnsie on April 17, 2024, 03:01:41 PM
Keep the rain off it :thumbsup:
Is that Osage? :bigsmyl:
Yes all Osage - some better than others. I was hoping, keeping them under the eave would suffice, but I may need to look at another option. I just really don't have space inside for it. Maybe my brother-in-law will let me store it in his big farm machine shed? Not very convenient, but its not like I'll be utilizing it daily??
Post by: Buemaker on April 17, 2024, 05:29:51 PM
Post by: Mad Max on April 17, 2024, 08:16:56 PM
Keep the rain off it :thumbsup:
Is that Osage? :bigsmyl:
Yes all Osage - some better than others. I was hoping, keeping them under the eave would suffice, but I may need to look at another option. I just really don't have space inside for it. Maybe my brother-in-law will let me store it in his big farm machine shed? Not very convenient, but its not like I'll be utilizing it daily??
Good idea :bigsmyl:
Post by: Kirkll on April 19, 2024, 03:03:38 PM
Keep the rain off it :thumbsup:
Is that Osage? :bigsmyl:
And... Direct sunlight should be avoided. i'd throw a tarp over it and some rocks on top, and keep it open on the ends.
Post by: Kirkll on April 19, 2024, 03:07:13 PM
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Post by: Bryan Adolphe on April 19, 2024, 03:13:59 PM
I got out of the shop a couple days myself.... Spring Chinook are running...
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Very nice Kirk getting out to enjoy some spring fishing. We had a couple days of spring here now had major snowstorm right back to winter.
Post by: Kirkll on April 19, 2024, 03:58:56 PM
I got out of the shop a couple days myself.... Spring Chinook are running...
https://photos.app.goo.gl/RmLbkvx7XPxQrL1k6
Very nice Kirk getting out to enjoy some spring fishing. We had a couple days of spring here now had major snowstorm right back to winter.
Yesterday morning there was a serious frost on the coast, but today it’s 72 degrees and sunny…. Last year we had 3” snow on April 23rd. :o :o Ya just never know.
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Post by: Buemaker on April 25, 2024, 04:06:21 PM
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Post by: Mad Max on April 25, 2024, 05:24:52 PM
Yes it has waves. :dunno:
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Post by: Jon Lipovac on April 28, 2024, 08:22:49 PM
I made this one out of mdf for flatness and a couple of 1/4 plywood sandwiched in the middle. I then sealed the whole thing with water thin CA. It’s rock solid now. If it works good, I’ll seal the top of the form the same way.
Also, trying out these small steel tipped applicators for the CA. So far they have been super nice to use and seal up really good.
(12) of them on Amazon for $8
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Post by: dbeaver on May 01, 2024, 06:58:13 AM
Im being extremely patient tillering this one, I'm trying to limit set as much as possible through careful tillering and multiple and possibly various heatings of the belly.
Post by: Buemaker on May 01, 2024, 08:44:40 AM
Post by: dbeaver on May 02, 2024, 07:59:15 AM
I think I have it bending pretty good. She's on a low brace of about 4 inches. Gotta make a string up at this point but now that I have it bending most of the way I'm going to heat treat each limb with a heat gun, and then I'm going to coal fire it once more on a slight reflex form.
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Post by: dbeaver on May 04, 2024, 07:01:36 AM
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Post by: Stagmitis on May 05, 2024, 09:38:46 AM
Tempering is an artform unto itself- Too much the material becomes brittle-too little there is no benefit. Majic when you get it right!
After years of trial an error I finally built a flame oven that I can get a perfect temper for my bamboo.
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Post by: Jon Lipovac on May 08, 2024, 11:13:05 PM
I’ve never had a great way to rough cut risers that had fiberglass or G10 in them, whether as accent stripes or an I-beam.
I used to use a jig saw or band saw as much as I could while trying to stay away from the composites.
Not willing to spend $145 on a carbide tipped blade, I ordered one of these portable bandsaws for $100. They cut steel, brass, aluminum, fiberglass, etc.
Built a stand with dust collection out of scrap plywood and hopefully off to the races.
Fingers crossed.
Post by: Crooked Stic on May 09, 2024, 06:32:51 AM
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Post by: mmattockx on May 09, 2024, 11:41:19 AM
Not willing to spend $145 on a carbide tipped blade, I ordered one of these portable bandsaws for $100. They cut steel, brass, aluminum, fiberglass, etc.
Built a stand with dust collection out of scrap plywood and hopefully off to the races.
Fingers crossed.
Very nice, Jon. I recently bought a similar bandsaw for cutting steel, especially knife blanks. I didn't like the idea of hanging the saw off those two bolts that you have your table attached with, so I made a hanger type stand that carries the weight of the saw on the carry handle instead. Now I just need to make a table from 1/4" plate steel and I will be rolling. Just another option for those looking at this...
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Mark
Post by: Jon Lipovac on May 09, 2024, 03:24:51 PM
The other end of that aluminum plate sits in part of the cooling slot in the case. That carries the majority of the weight.
I cut some scraps this morning that had a 1/4” G10 I-beam in it and cut as tight of a radius as I could do with this half inch blade. It’s not a fast cut but it chewed through it with ultra smooth straight cuts and OK radius cuts. Stayed square the whole way which was nice.
Dust collection worked decent as well.
Post by: Crooked Stic on May 09, 2024, 08:47:04 PM
Post by: Jon Lipovac on May 09, 2024, 09:07:35 PM
Post by: Kirkll on May 09, 2024, 09:15:28 PM
Yeah - G10 will wipe out a standard bandsaw blade in 1 or 2 passes. I bit the bullet and got a carbide band saw blade - they are pricey, but if you believe the manufacturer they are supposed to last 5 times longer than a regular blade, and can be re-sharpened 4-5 times. Time will tell whether this was a good investment in the long run or not. I have roughed out a bunch of osage blanks with the new carbide and it went through them like butter - I may not even use the carbide on questionable stuff such as G10 and save it for my osage and any re-sawing I might have. These blades are supposed to be super for re-saw work.
I got my first 1/2" 4 TPI carbide tooth bandsaw blade in 2008 and it lasted 6 years and i cut hundreds of riser blocks with it. glass, g-10, hardwood... no problems. Then it broke and i had it welded and resharpend, and ran it another 4 years.... But this is the only thing i used it for was riser work. I bought a second Bandsaw for just wood.
The second one i bought lasted 4 years and couldn't be welded when i broke it. Then i couldn't find a replacement in 1/2" depth, So i bought another one a few years ago that was 3/4" and has heavier steel in the blade itself. It doesn't do radius work well at all but i still cut out shelf cut outs with G-10 I beams no problem... The carbide tip blades are worth their weight in gold in my opinion.
Post by: Crooked Stic on May 09, 2024, 10:01:57 PM
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Post by: Noah70 on May 10, 2024, 03:28:16 PM
Riser is Bubinga with Wenge I-beam, veneer is Smoked Zebra spliced to Quilted Maple, cores are Toasted Bamboo and Edge Grain Yew. Very pleased with the test results!
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In this month's PBS magazine
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Post by: Kirkll on May 10, 2024, 08:16:40 PM
Thanks. If you seen me ruffing it out on the spindle sander it would make you nervous :biglaugh:
Not really bro…. I rough mine out with 50 grit on my edge sander. :o :o :o
Post by: Kirkll on May 10, 2024, 08:21:14 PM
We hit 85 degrees today here…. Instant summer time. :o :o :o
Post by: Bryan Adolphe on May 10, 2024, 08:30:51 PM
Post by: Kirkll on May 10, 2024, 08:45:12 PM
If it’s too shiny, turn down the volume, and increase the pressure, and back off a couple inches on distance to the surface… I’ve also played with using a bit of reducer to get a finer spray pattern…. One more thing…. In winter when temps are cooler often times you can get a hotter activator for your clear coating. Then go to medium during the warmer months. I’ve never used the slow activator before. I think that is used in more environmentally controlled spray booth conditions where they force dry the finish at high temps. As in auto clear coating shops.
Just about the time you think you’ve got it dialed in, if you change materials, ya gotta start over again…. :biglaugh:
Post by: Jon Lipovac on May 10, 2024, 08:47:58 PM
Man - that’s annoying! Sorry about that everyone, I’ll try again.
Haha. I had to look twice. I thought, that guy is really good at making his tips look the same!!!
That’s really cool Stic!
Post by: Kirkll on May 10, 2024, 09:57:26 PM
I just put the finish on this 62” static recurve, built for a friend that wanted a light fast bow for 3D shooting that he could also take out into the woods in the fall. It finished out at 40# @ 28”
Riser is Bubinga with Wenge I-beam, veneer is Smoked Zebra spliced to Quilted Maple, cores are Toasted Bamboo and Edge Grain Yew. Very pleased with the test results!
Cool loking tip overlays...
Post by: Noah70 on May 11, 2024, 11:45:33 AM
Post by: mmattockx on May 11, 2024, 02:26:58 PM
Thanks Kirk !! Apologies again to all for the repeating photo’s.
You can go back and edit the post to delete the extras if you want.
Mark
Post by: Pat B on May 12, 2024, 01:00:26 PM
A right hand Ben Pearson Cougar, 64"n/n, 40#@28". She has a few longitudinal cracks that I think are superficial, she's a bit dirty and stained. I've strung it and the string lines up down the center. The best part of this find was the price...
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Post by: Kirkll on May 12, 2024, 01:38:45 PM
Post by: B-JS on May 12, 2024, 05:04:42 PM
Tried out a AI Word to Picture Generator to create a Hamster with a bow.
Came up with about 100 nonsense Pictures, but 1-2 cool ones.
Post by: Longcruise on May 12, 2024, 08:25:50 PM
Made my Daughters a lil ILF Riser for some 17# SR Limbs.
Tried out a AI Word to Picture Generator to create a Hamster with a bow.
Came up with about 100 nonsense Pictures, but 1-2 cool ones.
That's cute 😍 How did you apply it to the bow?
Post by: B-JS on May 13, 2024, 12:34:23 AM
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Post by: dbeaver on May 15, 2024, 09:41:32 AM
When does this stuff dry! The can claims dry to the touch after an hour, wait to use 24 hours. Well after 24 hrs it's a bit tacky. Is this a waiting game between humidity and temp?
Post by: Kirkll on May 15, 2024, 11:35:54 AM
Have been doing a bit of finishing work on my fire hardened experiment. I decorated it with dye, and I'm finishing now with oil based spar urethane.
When does this stuff dry! The can claims dry to the touch after an hour, wait to use 24 hours. Well after 24 hrs it's a bit tacky. Is this a waiting game between humidity and temp?
Get away from the oil base finish and you'll be much happier... I experimented with Helmsman water base spar varnish and it is EXCELLENT for outdoor furniture, and would make a great bow finish.... Dried quickly, allowed multiple coats without sanding, and looks good after two years outside... .02 cents worth... Kirk
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Post by: Kirkll on May 22, 2024, 10:00:43 PM
Actually yesterday, got a steroid shot in lower back, so today supposed to do nothing. I'm trying my best... :laughing:
Really? I have been getting cortisone shots off and on for a year, and was never told to to take it easy except the first day. I hope it gives you some relief. My shots only lasted a few months at best, but they definitely help. Kirk
Post by: Crooked Stic on May 23, 2024, 06:45:54 AM
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Post by: kennym on May 23, 2024, 07:41:18 PM
Looks nothin like Bue and Roy tho... :thumbsup: :laughing:
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Post by: Longcruise on May 25, 2024, 12:14:38 AM
I'm watching Robin Hood, Men In Tights.
Post by: Kirkll on May 25, 2024, 01:37:29 PM
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Post by: Kirkll on May 27, 2024, 08:28:21 AM
Told ja so :biglaugh:
Thanks for the tip Mike… :thumbsup:
Post by: OldRawhide42 on May 27, 2024, 09:08:33 AM
Jim
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Post by: Stagmitis on May 27, 2024, 10:55:08 AM
Have pics of the profile strung/Unstrung?
Post by: Crooked Stic on May 27, 2024, 06:55:23 PM
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Post by: Bryan Adolphe on May 28, 2024, 08:53:04 PM
“Thinner is better” that is the reason I use heat shrink tubing … thinner wall dimension.I like the shrink tube idea ! :thumbsup:
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Post by: Jon Lipovac on May 28, 2024, 10:26:44 PM
Post by: Bryan Adolphe on May 30, 2024, 10:34:10 AM
Elegant !! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:Iam not really liking the pointed limb bolt overlays,spent a few hrs for sure trying different ideas but havnt come up with anything i really like …. All the great ideas are takin . :biglaugh:
Post by: Kirkll on May 31, 2024, 02:20:14 PM
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Post by: kennym on June 06, 2024, 12:31:22 PM
Can't wait to see strung profile!!
You should do a build along, nobody has done one for awhile... :goldtooth:
Post by: Crooked Stic on June 06, 2024, 03:11:37 PM
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Post by: Kirkll on June 08, 2024, 10:51:35 AM
Kinda looks like the Willcox Duo flex limb profile. Interesting!!
I remember those bows …. He was at the Western states rondy many years ago when we first met. But… he had two separate wiggles in his limbs….pretty wild looking… Kirk
Hey Stic…. What are your goals with this hybrid limb tweak?
Post by: Crooked Stic on June 08, 2024, 01:19:52 PM
Taper wise preload etc.
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Moving along.
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Post by: Susquehannariverarcher on June 14, 2024, 04:40:03 PM
Bow came out 2 lbs under goal weight and I'm ok with that since it was my first time milling my own lams.
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Post by: onetone on June 25, 2024, 06:28:04 PM
around with us, the architecture remains impressive! :thumbsup:
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Post by: Kirkll on June 27, 2024, 03:01:58 PM
I was like Damn - Kirk cleaned his Shop !!! Lol 😂
:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: Actually i DID clean my shop Gary... But it dont look THAT good...
Post by: garyschuler on June 27, 2024, 03:17:03 PM
I should do that to mine when i get it cleaned out sometime in my next lifetime. !!!
Post by: Buemaker on June 27, 2024, 05:14:49 PM
Post by: garyschuler on June 27, 2024, 05:39:42 PM
Craftsmanship right there!!
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Post by: Kirkll on July 01, 2024, 07:06:26 PM
So after all the finish sanding was done I wiped down the whole bow with this stuff so I would get the overlays and limb edges all evenly colored…..At first it didn’t seem to do anything….So I wiped on a second coat, and went in the house to get me another cup of Joe….. By the time I got back to the shop… the whole bow had turned black. :o :o :o You could barely see the grain in the rosewood and the maple was seriously dark…… I just about puked…. What happened? :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
So I spent two hours carefully sanding the stuff off after it had dried completely and decided to go a different route. So I got out some golden oak stain I’d used in th3 past to darken up the maple a bit, and didn’t effect the rosewood at all…. Great! Looked beautiful! I decided to let the stain dry over night before clear coating, which is always a good thing to do.
So this morning I head back to the shop thinking I’d be spraying first thing only to find that the stain didn’t dry completely…… :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
Now I’m getting a little bent out of shape here… this dad burn bow refuses to give me a break and relent to getting finished….. So I’m thinking about what is the best step going forward here. I know better than introducing a solvent into the mix, but I’ve got extra stain that is like a sticky film in spots all over the whole bow.
So I ended up getting a bunch of clean rags of different consistency first. Some sweat shirt material, some old long John material, and some other stuff very soft like micro fiber cloth. I approached this mess like sanding and started with coarse cloth to remove the excess, then slowly polished it out with finer cloth by hand. I’m talking two hours of hand rubbed polishing to get it looking good and finally dry to to the touch again…..
At this point I’m spooked about spraying clear coating at all, and half tempted to just let it dry another day and use furniture polish on it….but….those type finishes just don’t hold up well over time without a lot of maintenance. So I decided to just hang it in the spray booth leave the lights on and let it cure at 90 degrees over night, and spray it tomorrow…..
You think I would learn to leave staining alone when it comes to these bows. I swore years ago I’d never stain another riser after a similar nightmare occurred by trying to touch sand between coats of clear and went through the stain… That was a whole different nightmare there I won’t go into…
Moral of story here guys…..If you ever feel the urge to stain your riser and limb edges, immediately leave the building, go fishing, or shoot your bow until you get that stupid notion out of your head. Save yourself some grief…. Kirk
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 01, 2024, 10:01:57 PM
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Post by: Jon Lipovac on July 02, 2024, 03:24:46 AM
Post by: Kirkll on July 02, 2024, 02:20:33 PM
Kirk. What ‘stuff’ did you use to stain your bow with? Ive had really good luck with powdered dye stains mixed with acetone.
It was a high quality "Varathane premium wood stain" that i've used before. Where i screwed up was using this stuff first, and trying to sand it off before putting the Varathane product on it. Turned into a science experiment real quickly. the first stuff sealed it deep, and the stain i applied would dry properly.... You guys can have the stain nightmares... I'm back to just saying NO again...
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Btw.... This curly maple juice DOES pop the the grain dramatically, and can be darkened using heat. I used it before and had good luck on a maple riser. But this time i had the rosewood too, and i didnt like what it did to that..., What a mess... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Post by: Longtoke on July 03, 2024, 03:02:03 AM
Kirk, :shaka: your day is giving me an idea or a burst stained bow..... might be classy. might be trashy, but would sure be unique.
Post by: Kirkll on July 03, 2024, 11:39:53 AM
The 3rd group were the master craftsmen consisting of luthiers, furniture specialists, and master custom cabinet builders…. Now this was back in the late 80’s, and all the woodworking on the boats was done by hand. Of course they had a cabinet shop to die for, with some pretty wild milling machines, pin routers, shapers, planers, and incredible table saws or panel saws with power feed set ups…. But…. It wasn’t huge like a factory size place. There were only 7 work benches in the cabinet shop surrounded by all these lovely toys, and only the top craftsmen had their own work bench.
I started out with the boat carpenters that did the framing on board for the first 6 months I worked there, and is not to be confused with any wood framing you see in the construction industry. The biggest challenge was everything was radius shaped or elliptical. Even all the cabin doors were radius topped, and all the framing material was Honduras mahogany, using stainless steel screws and 5200 marine adhesive to assemble. Very few nails used on these boats at all.
It was interesting work that I dove into big time head first…. I loved it. They had 3 yachts going at the same time and were finished differently with different kinds of exotic woods. After the framing was completed the masters came on board to do all the cabin paneling, build the furniture, and install the custom built cabinets. In many cases the cabinets were built in place….. All the joinery was S scarfed joints with very few exceptions. All the laminations and wood bending techniques they used were amazing to behold…. It didn’t take me long to figure out that that was where I wanted to be. I wanted my own work bench in the cabinet shop working with these master craftsmen….
Well one day I was doing some touch up work in one of the main cabins on one of the boats and framing a custom shoe rack in a closet. The main cabin had a beautiful teak paneling installed. Not to be confused with your standard sheet goods either… this stuff was grain matched from one sheet to the next coming off the stack so when installed properly the wall looked like one piece of solid wood. And the owners expected this to be installed seamlessly…. Well I could hear the boat Forman and the cabinet shop Forman arguing about what the hell they were going to do with this mess… the carpenter who installed the paneling pretty much just threw it in and didn’t fit the seems well at all, and the whole cabin was almost complete. Keep in mind this book matched teak paneling cost a bloody fortune, and would take months to replace. The foremen were pretty upset by the poor workmanship.
So I spoke up …. I told them that with special care and a bit of time this joinery could be repaired with veneer inlays rather than tearing it out. They both stoped and looked at me kind of funny, and said, “ You could actual do this?” I told them I wouldn’t recommend it if I didn’t think I could do it myself, but…. It’s going to probably take a week or so to pull it off with all these full floor to overhead inlays, and I’d need access to the cabinet shop to make my inlay jigs, and some razor sharp router bits and a trim router….. The cabinet shop foreman told me if you can pull this off, you can have your own bench in the cabinet shop and a bump up in pay grade too….
I did indeed pull it off, and spent two more years in that shop working with some incredibly talented craftsmen. It was like getting my doctorate in woodworking. The combined knowledge in that shop was unheard of….
Of course it’s all done by CNC machines now, and very little of the stuff is done by hand anymore. I went back up there years later after I moved on to talk with a friend that had taken over the shop, and it just wasn’t the same at all… operators running machines instead of master craftsmen…lts enough to make a grown man cry.
Thought ya might enjoy that story. I sincerely appreciate luthiers and master craftmen. Kirk
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Post by: Mad Max on July 03, 2024, 10:49:31 PM
Kirk, :shaka: your day is giving me an idea or a burst stained bow..... might be classy. might be trashy, but would sure be unique.
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Star burst ??
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I used J.E.Moser Aniline dye--water base on this one.
Post by: onetone on July 03, 2024, 11:30:46 PM
Post by: Pat B on July 04, 2024, 10:47:31 PM
Post by: Longtoke on July 05, 2024, 04:35:58 AM
It looks like your maple turned out top notch. Beautiful bow! I have a soft spot for contrasting I beams.
That burst bow is really neat! The back of it reminds me of a snake.
Post by: Longtoke on July 05, 2024, 04:38:57 AM
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Post by: Kirkll on July 05, 2024, 10:57:34 AM
Kirk
Post by: Mad Max on July 05, 2024, 08:57:27 PM
Post by: Bryan Adolphe on July 05, 2024, 09:28:51 PM
Post by: Kirkll on July 06, 2024, 09:55:00 AM
I cant find my flame bow right now on my I pad.
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Post by: Mad Max on July 06, 2024, 08:13:08 PM
Post by: Bryan Adolphe on July 18, 2024, 04:28:33 PM
Post by: Kirkll on July 18, 2024, 11:27:43 PM
Be real careful using any solvents on paduke. Even spray lacquer can make the stuff bleed if you hose it down too heavily. When you finish it, hit it with a light coat first and let it tack off before doing any wet coats. A hot clear coat can also make it bleed.
Kirk
Post by: Bryan Adolphe on July 19, 2024, 12:31:36 AM
Post by: Kirkll on July 19, 2024, 01:41:21 PM
Good to know about the finishing ….. this is the first time ive used padauk ,i think i will be adding a glass lam with my wood overlays on the backs of these ones even thou they will be low poundage bows … :thumbsup:
The paduke, and wenge both make a great core wood mixed with bamboo too if you keep your lams around .050-.065. If you use two of them in a hybrid, or long bow you will notice a significant bit of horse power increase. its relatively light in mass weight and has excellent deflection properties. I've used it combined with straight grained Zebra wood and got a few bell ringers in the past. Hickory is another one of those brittle hardwoods better used in thinner lams rather than thicker.
I would avoid putting it on the belly side of an RC limb next to the glass though... its compression qualities are not all that good. i use a thin rock hard maple lam against the belly glass on all my RC limbs. Even an .030- .035 maple lam will insure a good shear/compression factor.
Post by: 4 point on July 28, 2024, 10:41:44 PM
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Post by: Kirkll on July 29, 2024, 02:37:17 PM
I just had a reaction from the last rosewood i worked with BIG TIME... i broke out in a rash that started spreading from my hands, up my arms and even my chest... had to go get some steroids from the doctor to tame things down...Took a week or more to clear up. It's a shame too. That rosewood is nice riser material.
Post by: 4 point on July 29, 2024, 06:20:18 PM
I was worried about a reaction but I didn’t have any problems. Cocobolo will tear me up!
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 29, 2024, 11:01:57 PM
Post by: OldRawhide42 on July 30, 2024, 08:28:35 AM
Post by: Kirkll on July 30, 2024, 02:05:40 PM
Last time i used it i almost blew my mustache off... :o :o :o
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 30, 2024, 03:37:59 PM
Post by: Kirkll on July 30, 2024, 07:04:11 PM
I’ve always had tracking issues with this Jet 16/32 conveyor belt. The stock conveyor belt cannot be purchased anymore, and the only one I could find was a very thin belt that didn’t hold up well at all. I really need to find a source to have another higher quality belt made for it…
Today my little 14” bandsaw that I run my carbide tip blade on broke down on me. There is a bracket that the wheel shaft is mounted on that not only adjusts tension, but the blade tracking. With this being an off brand machine that has gotta be 30 years old, I cannot find a source for parts at all. Anyone ever heard of “HDC Quality Tools” ?
Well I was looking at random bandsaw parts on line and found a part for a Jet 14” that has unbelievably close specifications as the part I’m looking for. So close that I ordered the part to see if it will work. I may have to modify it a bit. But I took the old part up to a welder buddy of mine and he shook his head saying he didn’t know whether the cast aluminum could be welded or not. I was told the shops call it “pot metal” and it was always a mystery how they made it, and what was used in the molten mix. Sometimes it could be spot welded, and other time it couldn’t be welded at all….
Of course I had a riser with a G-10 I beam needing to be roughed out with my carbide tipped blade , and had to revert to my old technique with a lot more edge sander work to get this one piece riser ready to lay up.
Kinda strang to have two machines go down in two days…. Kirk
Post by: wood carver 2 on July 30, 2024, 07:28:52 PM
Dave.
Post by: OldRawhide42 on July 30, 2024, 08:04:56 PM
Jim
Post by: Kirkll on August 01, 2024, 09:34:28 AM
My old technique for cutting G-10 is a carbide tip saw blade on my table saw and removing as much as I can, then use the edge sander and die grinder.
Prepping for lay up isn’t bad without the band saw, but more time consuming. But cutting out the strike plate with an exposed, thick G-10 I beam is really a chore without that carbide tipped blade on the bandsaw. 60 seconds on the band saw, vs 20 minutes using a hack saw and a die grinder.
Glad to have that baby back up and running. Kirk
Post by: Crooked Stic on August 01, 2024, 02:49:49 PM
Post by: Kirkll on August 02, 2024, 09:53:36 AM
I think if you take a look at most bandsaw of the same size you will find the main parts are the same with different names.
Well that’s a good thing… makes me want to update and replace some roller guides that are getting pretty rustic looking on this unit. This is the part that broke that I replaced fo $44.00 on Amazon.
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Post by: Crooked Stic on August 02, 2024, 02:23:47 PM
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Post by: Pat B on August 19, 2024, 01:01:16 PM
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Post by: B-JS on August 25, 2024, 11:43:30 AM
So my daughter got a new cooking Knife.
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Post by: chefrvitale on August 29, 2024, 09:54:12 PM
The local woodcraft had it 50% off, I had never heard of it.
It's ridiculously hard and seems to be excellent bow wood.
Post by: chefrvitale on August 29, 2024, 09:55:30 PM
Post by: Kirkll on September 02, 2024, 11:43:48 AM
Trying to decide what to build, I cut some veneers out of Patagonia rosewood.
The local woodcraft had it 50% off, I had never heard of it.
It's ridiculously hard and seems to be excellent bow wood.
Some of those dark hardwoods are heart breakers under clear glass, and should be avoided. I remember the first time I tried Macassar ebony under clear glass. I just about cried over that one. It had some very cool looking contrasting grain with light and dark colors, and it came out pretty much black, and showed every tiny imperfection in the clear glass. I built it for my wife, and still have that bow. After about 7 years you could see every little micro crack in the clear glass.
The bow still shoots fine, and there is nothing wrong with the structural integrity, but I might as well of just used black glass with ebony overlays and not wasted my time milling ebony veneers.
Btw…. I’ve had some cool looking Bocote do the same thing and turned almost black as it darkened up with age.
Food for thought…. Kirk
Post by: chefrvitale on September 02, 2024, 12:34:32 PM
Post by: Bryan Adolphe on September 03, 2024, 12:13:07 PM
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Post by: Kirkll on September 03, 2024, 01:24:44 PM
It's the nature of the beast Bryan. That stuff is just a bear cat to fill.. It just takes more material, and you want to use a high gloss material with good solids for grain filling to ensure it doesn't shrink.that's why you wait a day for it to cure ... I'd look into the polyester material for a sanding sealer if you plan on using more of this Wenge....
btw ...Paduke is the same class, as well as Red Oak. Of course not many bowyers use red oak for risers.
Post by: Bryan Adolphe on September 07, 2024, 09:40:22 AM
And dreamin up a recurve template.
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Post by: Bryan Adolphe on September 11, 2024, 01:06:12 PM
Post by: Kirkll on September 11, 2024, 02:46:13 PM
Couple of finished pics , boo with birds eye maple veneers/ wenge & blk walnut riser.
And dreamin up a recurve template.
Great looking bow Bryan! Cant wait to see what comes out of that RC form...
Post by: dbeaver on September 11, 2024, 04:26:54 PM
Here we are mixing old and new. D/R osage selfbow. Got this heat bent and made some tip alignment adjustments, still likely a few heat adjustments but a very short brace is tracking right down the center of handle.
This was made possibly by a fellow tradgang member who sent me a few staves to work. Love the bowyers bench truly. Thanks for all who post
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Post by: Burnsie on September 11, 2024, 04:53:40 PM
Do you have a picture of the caul you used to make those bends? That thing looks slick!
Heat gun or steam?
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a small morning session of balancing thickness from side to side throughout the limb, deepening nocks and heating tips and handle for better string alignment, not perfect but after i get it full brace ill have a better idea. I believe im ready for a regular string on this bow. Looks like itll be a recurve with baby hooks folks we will see at final tiller.
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Post by: Buemaker on September 12, 2024, 09:56:53 AM
Post by: kennym on September 12, 2024, 01:16:11 PM
Post by: Pat B on September 12, 2024, 05:50:36 PM
Low brace now would be a good idea to see how the string tracks and see how the limbs bend on their own. If everything lines up and the limbs are balanced go to your intended brace height, check it out to full draw and take a few shots. :archer2:
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Post by: Burnsie on September 17, 2024, 09:13:03 AM
I know you don't take orders - how does one get on your "list".
Post by: Kirkll on September 17, 2024, 09:28:43 PM
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Post by: B-JS on September 18, 2024, 04:48:52 AM
Bocote/Phenolic.
That will be pretty pretty, once finished.
Post by: dbeaver on September 18, 2024, 10:45:59 AM
Post by: Kirkll on September 18, 2024, 01:40:19 PM
Roughed out a 21" ILF yesterday evening.Phenolic? G-10? Micarta?
Bocote/Phenolic.
That will be pretty pretty, once finished.
Post by: B-JS on September 18, 2024, 01:48:32 PM
Post by: Kirkll on September 18, 2024, 07:20:02 PM
Kirk
Post by: B-JS on September 19, 2024, 12:24:16 AM
Those are milled by my specs for me.
Post by: chefrvitale on September 21, 2024, 11:40:09 PM
So far, so good..... the epoxy started stiffening while I was in the middle of laminating, normally I have plenty of time. Would the heat effect that?temperatures were 90ish
Post by: chefrvitale on September 21, 2024, 11:42:41 PM
Post by: onetone on September 22, 2024, 10:50:51 AM
Post by: Kirkll on September 22, 2024, 11:09:49 AM
My friend Tony is shopping for a new home and was kind enough to hire me to do his mortgage loan. I decided to build him a early house warming present to use this season.
So far, so good..... the epoxy started stiffening while I was in the middle of laminating, normally I have plenty of time. Would the heat effect that?temperatures were 90ish
Having a good system down to spread your epoxy quickly and evenly is important. I use a flexible putty knife myself…. But on one piece bows that EA40 epoxy can start kicking off a bit before you have everything buttered and in the form if you mix too much at one time….. even with moderate temps in the shop. This makes it tougher to spread evenly with a putty knife.
On one piece bows where I’m using veneers under clear glass, I’ll mix two smaller batches of glue rather than one big enough to do the whole bow. The first batch allows me to get the glass and the back side lams and the riser in the form. Then I mix a second batch for the belly lams and glass.
Make sure your mix ratio is less than 50 / 50 resin to hardener and go heavy on the resin side. I like 2/3 resin to 1/3rd hardener the best.
Hope this helps. Here is an old lay up video I did that shows how easy it is to spread with a putty knife.
https://youtu.be/uAMsgze0u7Y
Post by: chefrvitale on September 23, 2024, 11:13:31 AM
Post by: Kirkll on September 23, 2024, 11:23:22 AM
Post by: chefrvitale on September 23, 2024, 12:07:41 PM
The limbs have your bamboo in them, looking forward to shooting it.
Post by: B-JS on September 23, 2024, 12:13:17 PM
One with clear coat, one oiled.
Both beautifull bows.
Post by: chefrvitale on September 23, 2024, 02:22:32 PM
Post by: Stagmitis on September 25, 2024, 07:39:38 AM
Post by: B-JS on September 25, 2024, 12:59:05 PM
I used a dark gunstock oil.
Post by: Stagmitis on September 26, 2024, 05:04:37 PM
Post by: B-JS on September 27, 2024, 01:14:00 AM
Finished, it's a Bit darker and not that shiny.
Post by: Stagmitis on September 27, 2024, 08:17:35 AM
Post by: chefrvitale on October 12, 2024, 11:35:18 PM
Kenny M sent some spalted ash veneers that look wild with pale moon ebony.
All 3 have Kirk's bamboo in them and shoot great.
I really appreciate you guys pointing me in the right direction.
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Post by: BO-R on January 01, 2025, 09:36:58 AM
makes x feed alot faster and saves the wrists.
Post by: Buemaker on January 01, 2025, 04:40:40 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 01, 2025, 04:44:28 PM
Post by: Kirkll on January 06, 2025, 11:15:24 AM
Added a power feed to my mill for the New year,
makes x feed alot faster and saves the wrists.
You are going to like that. It makes machining a lot smoother being able to adjust the feed rate. Do you have a DRO on that machinist table yet? If not, I can share a cost effective solution that works well. Kirk
Post by: WhistlingBadger on January 06, 2025, 11:44:41 AM
I've got a RM juniper bow almost ready for some elk sinew on the back. Juniper wood is beautiful stuff and an absolute joy to work with. I've broken a couple juniper/sinew bows in the past--there is a lot that can go wrong with them. Fingers crossed that I'll get it right this time.
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Post by: Buemaker on January 07, 2025, 05:07:44 AM