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That is the question!
Morning all from across the pond.
I have a ragim blackhawk that has a quiver attached, I have a slickstick that is bare, I shoot best with the bare bow, and enjoy its lightness, but... I always feel the blackhawk is a lot steadier in the aim because of presumably the extra mass?.
Is there a good argument for quiver on bow than off? Can you sum up your preferences.
Thanks for reading.
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The two bows appear similar in many respects. Is your Slickstick a longbow or a recurve? 58” is a short bow, so depending on your draw length you may be approaching or into stacking. Do you notice any disproportionate increase in draw weight as you approach full draw with either bow? Similar though they may be, they are different bows and have different grips. Do you prefer one grip over the other?
Type of bow, stacking, and grip are all more important considerations than bow quiver. Bow mass is not insignificant, however, and most people find a bow with higher mass weight easier to shoot accurately.
One typically does not see target archers with quivers mounted on their bows, because bow quivers bring their own problems of increased noise and inconvenience for target use. These are both minor problems that can be solved if a bow quiver is important for the archer. They do add a little mass weight to the bow, although perhaps not in the ideal spot for balance.
If the bow will be used for hunting with a bow quiver, it is recommended that the quiver be left on the bow, full of arrows, while practicing, because the balance does change with a bow quiver attached, and it is best to get used to it.
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That is an extremely in depth reply, much to think on there, thank you for taking the time to do that.
My slickstick does indeed get harder to pull, it's a 40lb, but I am drawing 30"
The blackhawk is only a 35lb but no problem with it stacking, also just to add I don't think the slickstick is.
Thanks again.
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Whether no quiver, a 3,4,5 or 6 arrow bow quiver, I shoot the same as my form is still the same.
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I don't like a quiver on my bow mainly because they snag in thick brush.
Love a side quiver on a strap so I can get it behind me in thick stuff and the back in position when out in the open.
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I use to be a no bow quiver guy till I walked by Eagles Flight Quiver booth at a local shoot. Don told me him and Karen make bow quivers for folks that don’t like bow quivers and I’ve gottem on all my bows. Like Terry I shoot equal with or without. I like the idea of having it close as I’m subject to miss on occasion 😁
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Pine, odd that we are exact opposites on thick brush.
When I ease my bow through the thickets I've already eased my bow quiver through as well. Nothing trailing behind me I can't see to hang up and bust me.
My bow quiver and fletch cover along with my bow serves as a blind of sorts breaking me up a bit while the animal is close and I am prepared to draw.
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My own style of hunting is stationary except when I was in New Zealand. My bows typically have significant mass. Thus, I much prefer not to have an attached quiver..
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I love side quivers and bow quivers as well and hunt both one of my Longbows is setup with a bow quiver and one is not.
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Ttt
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I don't like a quiver on my bow mainly because they snag in thick brush.
Love a side quiver on a strap so I can get it behind me in thick stuff and the back in position when out in the open.
I'm just the opposite ... I much prefer a bow quiver getting through the thick stuff rather than a hip or back quiver. I once found a Kwikie Quiver full of arrows lying in a thick patch of buck brush that obviously had come off some poor hunters bow .... oops !!
On the LTR this year I tried a back quiver and really missed my bow quiver trying to get through that thick Texas brush.
Some recurve risers can get heavy and you have to match your quiver to the riser for better balance and feel. I prefer to have more arrows in my quiver than fewer and if hunting I like to have a Judo arrow in there too . When shooting 3D's I shoot my hunting setup, quiver full of arrows, but have my 3D arrows in my a back quiver.
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I like a light 5-6 arrow quiver to act as a counter balance when I cant my bow. Always shot with one arrow missing, just like hunting.
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I prefer on the bow. I like the added mass, it's easier to maneuver through thick brush since if it's on the bow in front of me, I can see it, and arrows are easy to get to with minimal movement if needed. It's just more convenient having everything right there in one spot as well.
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I also tried to get through the brush with side, back and tube type quivers and they are no where near as user friendly than a bow quiver. I also don't have a problem shooting on or off.
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I prefer not to have a bow mounted quiver. I use a catquiver.
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I agree w Terry, Ken, and Michael. Never been a hindrance getting thru crap. I would think the opposite would be true in regards to a back quiver or side quiver. Also more movement if a second shot is needed after a miss. (Which I don't BTW :thumbsup:)
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I like hunting with a longbow with a Hill style back quiver that is easy to slide under arm in brush. It is faster to nock an arrow, and with 4 - 7 oz leather light and quiet. I will use a Catquiver in foul weather. I also use a Hybrid, "deflex-reflex" or recurve with a GN 5 arrow bow quiver that is light and balances ok on the bow. I don't like walking in steep areas, rocky terrain/hills, or blow down timber with an arrow on the bow or in a hand especially when footing is difficult. Safety comes first.
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It really comes down to personal preference. I shoot well without a quiver, not as well as with a quiver as the missing weight throws me off. I like the added mass and the fact that I don’t have to remember my quiver when I’m in the woods is a big bonus. I know some guys that hate bow quivers but still shoot extremely well. Get one you can try on all your bows and see what feels best.
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Everyone has their preference. But a word on the Hillstyle backquiver and brush.
If your getting your backquiver hung up behind you in brush you are not using it as intended.
The back quiver should be slid under your arm and out of the way when slipping thru thick or overhanging brush, this takes maybe one second to accomplish and when thru the brush the quiver is easily slid right back into place. The back quiver is a tool and like any tool, using it wrong will not have satisfactory results.
A backquiver used properly is no more or less likely to snag on brush than a side quiver, bow quiver or a hand full of loose arrows.
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It really is just a matter of preference. I've used every imaginable style quiver over the past 55 years. I stopped looking about 15 years back. I carry an over the shoulder pack with an attached quiver, no more issues.
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I use bow quivers for a lot of reasons, but one of the main reasons is that I always have a backpack when I hunt.
I hunt the Rocky Mountains for elk and deer, and quite often find myself miles from base camp. I carry what I need to disassemble an elk, bag and hang quarters, and spend the night in a spike camp if necessary. So back or side quivers are out of the question. I've grown so used to a bow quiver that my hunting bows feel naked without one.
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I never liked or used a bow quiver on my selfbows but on my Treadway long bow and Jeffery's recurve I preferred a bow quiver. The center mass helped me control the bow better. For selfbows I preferred the lightness and simplicity of the bow itself.
I see quite a few folks still use Kwiki-Kwivers. I added a quick release mount on my Climbing stand and carried the Kwicki Kwiver like a GFA style quiver with a para cord strap. Once I got in the tree then attached the Kwicki Kwiver to the stand. Where it was attached made it easy to get an arrow when needed while I sat.
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I'm a strap on fan. GN, Thunderhorn, Selway.
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Yet another example of how much we are all Very much alike, yet Very different :readit:
It's a personal choice with NO one size fits all answer....and that is ok.
If your asking for thoughts-opinions-preferences ......based on personal experiences.
.....having used about every style quiver made over a lot of seasons/years/decades from bow quivers , hip quivers , back quivers , and my own designed back worn side draw ......I just 100% prefer a NON bow quiver .
I find they (bow quivers) take away from the lightness & simplicity of a well designed Longbow.
I don't like the extra flashiness-bulk-weight of arrows-fletching and quiver attached to my light and nimble bow ....I don't like the added size/mass on my bow to navigate through the stuff I navigate hunting.
Though I am very aware the bow quiver works near perfectly for many an archer/bowhunter...Just not for me. I prefer a well designed back worn/side draw quiver for all aspects of my shooting. Be it a Rove , back yard repetitions , and most importantly Bowhunting in all types of terrian/conditions........
If you have been at this for a good while , you will likely collect a wide assortment of various styles of quivers .....
Some will like and utilize many of those for various situations....some will choose one and run..... but you owe it to yourself to give all the wonderful choices we have in design a good honest try. You might just find the one that fits you and your style the best ! :campfire:
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I'm sorry but I must Comment. If you can't shoot with a bow quiver on your bow then your form is off.
Your form has no idea whether you have a bow quiver on your boat or not.
The magic 'T" is just that.... magic.
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I prefer a bow quiver because all others are junk trucks going through the brush
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Small 4-5 arrow bow mounted quiver works for me creeping through the brush in Texas. Fletching cover takes care of feathers getting caught and pulled out, or bright feathers flagging me, as I move through the brush.
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I don't like noisy flashy.Extra movement noisy arrows, rattling adjusting another piece of equipment.And I actually like to kill stuff. That's why I use a bow quiver with a fletch cover. And I eat well.
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Ken, I wish you would have told me as I had 2 other bow quivers with me.