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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Terry Green on June 06, 2024, 11:09:13 AM
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From a well known bowhunter and Tradganger....
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MORE TO COME!!!!
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Interesting piece of history!
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That is a Magnus small game head. I have never seen one of these until I received them. And, I think they are probably the best small game head out there, and I have not even used one yet. :thumbsup:
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Looks to be a very effective small game stopper.
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That will definitely nail a squirrel to a tree. :biglaugh:
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I used to shoot a broadhead just like it called a “missile spike” back in the 70’s. It was a very copied head design as it was called a “red fury” in later years. I harvested my first bowkilled animal with one….a gray fox in 1974.
I know this one isn’t that head; but it brings back some pleasant memories just looking at it.
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Sorry for the delay. I am trying to find The Box with the goodies in it.
One of my daughters evidently covered it up as they both moved out of New York City(THANK GOD) and they brought all their stuff from their apartment with them. Then we had a wedding this last weekend of my youngest with shower gifts everywhere. It will turn up soon and I'll post again.
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BTW, the gift was from Charlie Lamb. I have a lot of memories with him going way back to the start of Tradgang in 2003 when we 1st met as Cloverdale where we shot together with Dean Torges and Jerry Pierce's son, along with a character named Spudly.
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Talked to Spudley today at Cloverdale. Quite the character.
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Otis, yes he sure is!!! If you see him today, tell him I said hi. :campfire:
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This thread has intrigued me from the beginning....thanks for posting it Terry.
Given the broadhead looked so much like the Missile Spike I couldn't hardly sleep that night thinking about what the Magnus connection was. I started the 'University of Google' research in depth to see what I could gather. The Missile Spike (and later its successor the "Red Fury") was owned by the same guy who was a Mr. Carroll. Mr. Carroll was also a pretty well known recurve bow maker at the time. From what I could decipher, the Red Fury was primarily a marketing ploy created by adding a red ring right behind the bleeder and it was sold in the 80's. The broadhead(s) were marketed in the 70's and 80's as a big game head. As i mentioned earlier, I used them after a fellow named Lucky King (self proclaimed Godfather of Howard Hill) recommended them to me and I took my first animal with a bow with one. Lucky had a small archery shop at the time.
The Magnus connection.....
Through a great amount of research it appears that Magnus in its most earliest days likely made at least the bleeders...if not the main blade for the missile spike. They both look like the same material. Though I never found anything but anecdotal evidence but it seems possible the Magnus might have made the entire head during this time. The fact that the broadhead is threaded (vs the carbon steel glue on broadheads that Magnus made at the time) is the interesting development if Magnus didn't limit themselves to the blades. Magnus has a history of partnering with the actual broadhead owners in the manufacturing process of broadheads.
Of course, this all borders on near opinion as much as anecdotal evidence. Magnus may had made and marketed the head at some junction though I can't find that. Terry if you know the Magnus history of this head I would love to bring it out of the shadows a bit just for my own knowledge. I could see Magnus marketing the head after Mr. Carroll's retirement as a smaller sized small game head. If this keeps bouncing around in my head, I probably will just call Mike at Magnus to get the history of all of this.
By the way, I'm good friends with Jerry's son as well and we used to live in the same small town. We visited each other quite a bit. I actually got to meet Mrs Betty (Jerry's wife) before she passed. I still see him once a year these days as he always attends a memorial archery shoot named after his dad at Enid Lake MS.
A lot of folks don't know that Jerry grew up in Union MS and I used to hunt quail on his Uncle's place back when I was a tweener. His uncle knew my fanatical interest in bowhunting and would tell me about his nephew "Oren" who was a pretty good bowhunter. Since nobody bowhunted in my small town that always stuck with me. Only later did I make the connection between Oren and Jerry. Everybody called him Oren down here is what I was told. He would write me a short letter from time to time (probably because of the Union connection) and I did get to meet him once at the 1992 Missouri PBS banquet.
Small world.
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Mark I have never seen one before in my life until this gift box showed up.
I will tell you one thing that I know for sure, and that is if you send me your address I will send you one if you don't have any.
Charlie texted, it is a Missle Spike.
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You're a fine fellow to make such a generous offer to someone you haven't ever met....yet its your gift from Charlie. You should keep all of them.
In my own regard, the most important thing isn't the broadhead; but the memory. I appreciate you bringing those thoughts of my early bowhunting days back up for me. I've always said that one day I will be too old to hunt; but through the memories....I can continue to do so.
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I hear you Mark.
When I came back from Laredo after 3 weeks the first time my wife saw me in the shower with all the spike marks and scratches she said "Why do you do that to yourself?" and I said "because I can,
... and one day I can't."
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Terry, didn't see Spudley today. If he was there I missed him. I was kind of busy and could have missed him. I did get to spend some time with him yesterday and really enjoyed our conversation.
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No worries.It would have been great to Have seen him again. He is a hoot for sure.
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Quote from Charlie...
"Prototype Magnus blunt. The one with the shell casing is an old copy of a pope small game"( Charlie made)
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And more to come.....
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Very cool small game head I still have some newer similar broadheads the Red Fury
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Name this broadhead.....
MORE TO COME.....
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Small finger held blade sharpener...
Vintage string silencers and brush buttons...
MORE TO COME....
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I had those brush buttons and those silencers on my K Mag in the mid 1970s. :thumbsup:
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Looks like a MA4 broadhead but I been known to be wrong before. Cool bits of history
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A ribtec I've somehow missed
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I used to shoot a broadhead just like it called a “missile spike” back in the 70’s. It was a very copied head design as it was called a “red fury” in later years. I harvested my first bowkilled animal with one….a gray fox in 1974.
I know this one isn’t that head; but it brings back some pleasant memories just looking at it.
That is definitely a Missile spike. I started my hunting with them in the 70s. My brother was the first to buy them. He shot one into a cinder block at Toms archery when Tom told him to. Head and aluminum arrow both held up.
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I've let this thread go un answered for too long. I have been having computer problems and reply. The first pic is aMissle Spike broadhead. invented by my old friend C.F. Carrol. He was quite a character.tThat is about the third itteration of that head. The next being the Red Fury.
First version had a glue on ferrule.
One picture of the two small game heads is misidentified. Head on the left is the original Hoyt Magnum Blunt. Earl kept a coffee can full of them back in the shop.
As it turned out the blade was too fragile and the second generation addressed that problem.
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A glue on version would be ideal.
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that is where my idea of the bladed blunt in my Magnus Blunt came from.
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Thanks for chiming in Charlie.... here comes a couple more....
BTW what is the history of the 4 blade above???
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The four blade pictured is the Black Copperhead Slicer. There were a couple more in that line. From super serrate to everthing rounded like in the target model.
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Thanks Charlie, check your texts....
Snake head nock.... that's what I'm calling it till Charlie chimes in....
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...so I login to TG after a very looooooong time, and what do I see but a thread with Terry and Charlie talking shop. Kinda makes me feel warm all over. Howdy Gents!
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Hello Norbert :wavey:
Welcome back.
I have another entry I need to add....
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Serated Raptor broadheads....
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actually its a serrate Journeyman. I'm not sure but I don't think they ever went into production
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Charlie, it has the word Raptor stamped in it...
I'll get a pic...
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Waiting for info on the Journey Man/Raptor head. Very neat thread guys!
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Waiting for info on the Journey Man/Raptor head. Very neat thread guys!
Yeah, what he said. ^^^
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I love threads like these< so much information and history out there that a lot of us still aren't aware of!!!! Keep it coming!! :campfire:
Jason
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What he said ^^^^
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Yeah, Raptor is what he called it. But it was basically a Journeyman serrated. For the life of me I can't remember the name of the guy who made those.
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Yeah, Raptor is what he called it. But it was basically a Journeyman serrated. For the life of me I can't remember the name of the guy who made those.
Still, great stuff Charlie. :thumbsup:
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Journeyman Raptor! Got it! I love these type of threads. :campfire: