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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: woodchucker on August 07, 2024, 01:09:27 PM
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Just wondering? How many states have their sporting licenses printed on regular paper??
My son Tyler got his lifetime license tags in the mail yesterday. We were very surprised to find that they are now being printed on regular computer paper. According to the NYSDEC, "MANY" states are switching to paper printed licenses.
Just curious "HOW" many...?? :dunno:
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Oregon went there several years ago, if you pack them in your wallet they become unreadable.
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Oregon got smart and went with printed license or electronic license on your phone, the vendors that sell licenses provide paper and printer and get no compensation from ODFW. In the past they supplied the thermal printers and paper. $
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Lifetime I would have expected to be at least laminated. My lifetime hunting and fishing license from AZ is a plastic credit card type. Course I got it almost 10 years ago.
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It’s ridiculous. Imagine if it’s raining. How are you supposed to fill out the tag? Than try dragging a deer with it attached while wet through any cover. It’s all good though. A CO told me we could drag to a camp, truck, house than attach it. If I get to truck, attach it in rain what’s the chance it makes it home. Guess that’s easy, just buy a hunt truck with a cap?
Even in dry weather how is a paper tag supposed to stay attached in the wind of a pickup?
I’ve got some pretty solid zip type pouches with a couple holes. They’re for range tags but they’d prob work with zip ties.
Why do we have to think so hard to tag an animal? It it was money saving I’d gladly have paid an extra buck or two for the opportunity at durable carcass tags
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These are the tags I thought of. I’d zip tag in, zip tie to horn or leg, than wrap it around that and double zip tie that
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Ya, I got mine yesterday, then printed my DMP tags (on paper). We can just keep them in a one quart zip lock freezer bag in our pocket or pack, maybe. I will bring a couple extras bags and put a filled out tag in one and try to zip tie it to the antler. Nothing stopping people from printing “extra tags” though…..
I suppose this is progress.
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According to the DEC, Albany had trouble finding a source for the thermal vinyl rolls for the printers. Which is a load of BS. Also, as part of this new circus, backtags are longer necessary to be worn. With nearly 1 million license holders, you'd think that they could do better.
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Imagine a paper back tag if it had to be worn all season? It’d never last. Prob why they decided not to makes us wear it
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Not only are they paper in Wisconsin, we have to print them ourselves. It's been that way for several years.
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My biggest issue (other than people printing "extra tags") :readit:
Is that NYSDEC regulations state that you must fill out your tag immediatly after kill.
Ever try to write on wet paper? What do you lean on? Everything is wet, If your hands are wet, the tags get wet before you even get started! I'm not one to break the rules, but I think I'll just wait until I reach camp, or my truck.
Take my chances and fight the ticket? The ticket the EnCon officer submits to the court will be in perfect shape, He sat in a nice dry truck and filled it out. I'll just point that out to the judge... :readit:
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Tom, Tyler's lifetime license actually is a plastic card. They mail his tags to him every year.
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to me, it's just another disservice to the hunters of NYS. They collect millions from license sales, then millions more from Pittman-Robinson excise taxes, and we have one of the worst managed game agencies in the Nation. Yet they found the resources and the time to create an Environmental Judiciary Council to promote DEI and Civil Rights within the DEC. More tax payer dollars wasted on nonsense.
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I purchased my NY license yesterday at the local sporting goods store. I received an email from the DEC with a copy of my license, so I can print out lost or destroyed tags which is convenient. For the 97$ my hunting and fishing licenses cost I sure get my moneys worth. I feel lucky I have 30k acres of hunting areas within a 30 minute drive. A good portion is bow hunting only.
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We’ll have to get over it…in a very short time there will be no “printed” licenses in any state. Just the way the world is moving.
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Al, Have to agree with you!! A lot of waste and mismanagement in NY!!
I guess the only positive thing is... All of the fine money collected goes to the local courts, not the state.
But I also have to agree with Glen! NY has some awesome hunting and fishing!!!
After near (very near lol) 64 years, I know NY like the back of my hand. I can go anywhere in the state and catch a variety of fish, and a variety of game. Northern and Southern zone big and small game seasons, spread out over a period of about 5 months!! Also btw, I'm too dang old to move somewhere and accumulate that knowledge again.
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We print our own license in ND but the tags are sent later by the G&F. I like printing my own license its easy and I dont have to go to town to have it done and its immediate .
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I’m old enough to have a plastic lifetime Oklahoma hunting license from 1994. I haven’t carried it on me in a long time. Both Texas where I reside and Oklahoma where I still hunt have smartphone apps that pull your license up. No need to have anything other than your phone and drivers license on you. If you’re going where you don’t have a signal, then take a screen shot. If you don’t like smartphones, printer paper it is.
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What James said, yet phones can go dead in several ways, battery, no signal, get drowned, plain old give out.
You can always have your paper laminated. I would print out another copy and do two while I was at it.
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Some of the out of state hunts that I do, they email you your license and you print it out yourself. I just run it through a laminator or cover it in packing tape. It's not a big deal to do. Takes a couple minutes of my time.
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It's very true, you can carry your license on your phone, or laminate it etc.
The big issue, is the tags? How do you fill out a tag on your phone? Actually physicaly tagging your deer is really not a problem. Fill out your tag, put it in a ziplock bag, wrap the bag around a leg, and secure it with a zip tie.
NYS Conservation law states your tag must be filled out immediately upon kill. How do you do this in the woods, in inclimate weather? the tag will get wet, and you will be unable to write on it!
Past practice around here, is that the CO's wait out on the road, by your truck, and wait for you to come out of the woods. Filling out your tag, in a nice dry truck, would be a violation. :readit:
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Say it is raining, and zip lock bag gets moisture in it, how is that going to go if you get flagged to pull into a check station? I am sure the ECO's aren't too happy about this either. This will be learning curve for everyone. But just make sure to buy your license, pay your taxes, and fill those coffers in Albany
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It's very true, you can carry your license on your phone, or laminate it etc.
The big issue, is the tags? How do you fill out a tag on your phone? Actually physicaly tagging your deer is really not a problem. Fill out your tag, put it in a ziplock bag, wrap the bag around a leg, and secure it with a zip tie.
NYS Conservation law states your tag must be filled out immediately upon kill. How do you do this in the woods, in inclimate weather? the tag will get wet, and you will be unable to write on it!
Past practice around here, is that the CO's wait out on the road, by your truck, and wait for you to come out of the woods. Filling out your tag, in a nice dry truck, would be a violation. :readit: They changed the regs, you don't have to tag until you get the deer to your truck. There isa youtube video "Using Paper Carcass tags"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y38Nw38IN0
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I've never hunted anywhere where you had the tag on your back like some of the eastern states.
I have all my tags on my phone now in the app for my state. Since I'm not hunting wilderness or other area, the phone battery is not a consideration.
I'm one who's not a tech person but I find it easy and convenient. Of course I do have the option of printing paper tags and in the past just kept them in a good ziploc bag.
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Of course I do have the option of printing paper tags and in the past just kept them in a good ziploc bag.
Yes, like a freezer bag. That is about the simplest way. :thumbsup:
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Take them by any Staples or Office Depot and have them laminated.
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Indiana went to plain paper LICENSES a while back. We write the date, sex, etc info on a piece of paper that has to stay with the killed animal ‘til processed. We use an app to check the animal in on our phones. IDNR is holding a photo contest right now to select 4 images that will appear on credit card type licenses in 2025. We’ll pay extra if we want the plastics license.
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Printed mine out. The NYSDEC license webpage is just plain strange. Not a lot of thought went into the layout and ease of use, in my opinion. I was NOT going to an agent and paying for their ink and paper, another money grab. But, they have billions for illegals.
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Tennessee gives you the option to purchase for 5 dollars a plastic credit card type license. You can have a picture on your phone. You have an app on your phone, log in, and report your kill and you are issued a number. They call it Tag before you drag.
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My WV lifetime licenses is laminated.
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How do you fill out your deer tag "immediately upon kill" on your phone? :dunno:
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I was pretty unimpressed with the NYSDEC carcass tag idea of being printer paper. That will last 35 seconds in the rain or transport as an ear tag even in the bed of a pick-up. Oh well. "It was there 15 minutes ago, Officer."
As there are few deer processors locally any more, and those shut down after 50 or so deer, so I am back to processing my own. Vacuum pack machine cost 1/2 what a cut and wrap cost, and I am retired so I have time to do it properly.
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Tyler found some 4" X 5" zip lock "parts bags" on Amazon
My license folds up neatly, and nicely fits into the bag. Tags are folded up and slipped into a seperate bag, and folded up to slip nicely into the bag with my license. Makes a nice little package that easily slips into a pocket.
As for tagging the animal. The paper tag is fine. Once filled out, it can easily be slipped into the extra bag, and zip tied around an antler or leg. Almost all things considered, I'm happy with it! :thumbsup:
My biggest complaint, is the DEC regulation that requires the hunter to fill out the tag "immediately upon kill"
I questioned an ENCON officer at the county fair and his response was "how did you used to do it? A pen wouldn't write on that stuff anyway" I explained that at least you could cut the date, and the info was usually indented into the tag.
I explained that I was concerned about with nothing firm to lean on, the pen would punch through the paper and if it was raining or snowing, hands and everything would be wet, compounding the problem...
His response? "Well, we except braile" :saywhat:
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I used to use a fine point Sharpie to fill out the tag. I am totally frustrated with the DEC, have been for decades. At this point, after thinking about it, I just don't care anymore. I hunt my own land, or private land, and butcher my own kills. Will I attempt to do the right/legal thing? Yes, but if the system fails, I am not wasting any of my time trying. They have mismanaged the agency and the wildlife, and refuse to amend their ways. They should be thankful that so many others, who are similarly irritated, still purchase a license.
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You're actually spot on Al :thumbsup:
Do to my past injury, my handwriting is illegible at best :help:
I think I'll just wait and fill it out at camp, or the truck, and take my chances with the ticket? :dunno:
Ask the judge to have me write something, then see if he can read it?
"Your honor, that was in a courtroom, writing on a table.
Could you imagine what that would look like, if I filled it out up in the woods"?? :banghead:
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What I don't get, is in this age why not do the entire process digitally. I have my NYS license on their app. How hard would it be for me to complete an online form in an app that would include taking a picture with GPS coordinates saved. Problem solved. If you get stopped, you whip out your phone and they can review it all they want.
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Because it is NYS!!!! Remember when they rooled out DECALS, the nightmare that ensued. No server connection. Thermal paper getting jammed. Waiting for hours. They do not hire the best and the brightest, they hire the cheapest, and fire the experienced.
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I just get a bunch of paper and make little tags with all my info on them and then all I have to do is write the date it when I kill one. I just put it in my pocket then.