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Title: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Ontario Longbow on July 04, 2008, 09:27:00 PM
Do any of you Trad gangers not wear camo to hunt deer? I'm planning to bowhunt this season sans camo. I've concluded over the years that even at very close range  movement and scent get you busted not camo. I've taken deer in the past with  nothing  but a camo vest over a  sweater  and olive army  pants and my  hunting partner has taken deer without camo wearing muted earth tones. I've been busy on E-bay and online shops buying wool plaid:
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/4297432frank/7871_1_sbl.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/4297432frank/pFILSON1-3898169p275w.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/4297432frank/simg_t_t16613woo16613_xljpg110.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/4297432frank/WinterScouting2004.jpg)

I'll report my findings as the season progress,,Frank
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: sidebuster on July 04, 2008, 09:38:00 PM
Haven't used camo in 15 years.  Still get my harvest
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Fletcher on July 04, 2008, 09:53:00 PM
The only reason I wear camo sometimes is that it comes on very functional hunting clothing.  In early season I do most all of my hunting in wool plaids or earthy colors.  Thrift stores are great places to find wool shirts and pants at great prices.

I took this nice buck wearing a Teresa Asbell wool shirt and thrift store wool dress pants.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/Fletcher610/Buck05.jpg)
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: bentpole on July 04, 2008, 10:06:00 PM
Frank,  I hunted winter bow in a wool plaid shirt and grey wool pants. If it was cold i threw on a Carhardt camo vest.By the way I really like that vest of yours.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Ken Taylor on July 04, 2008, 10:57:00 PM
I just mix it all up, some days I might not have any camo at all on and some days I might have a little more on; only because there are items I like that I could only get in some sort of camouflage pattern.

My favorites though are 100% wool sweaters and hats that my 77 year old mother still knits me. I have a supply that should last me my lifetime and possibly my heirs.

I don't think from the looks of me that I will ever get a sponsor!
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Hot Hap on July 05, 2008, 12:49:00 AM
I really like that vest! How about the name of the maker? Thanks Hap
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Deadsmple on July 05, 2008, 12:56:00 AM
I hunt in whatever is clean. If there's some camo in the mix it's mostly because of the functionality of that particular article of clothing. Most of my clothing is geared to colder weather so it's mostly neutral colored wool. But when it's hot in the early season I might hike in in just shorts and a wifebeater and that's when my uninsulated camo coverall is real convenient. I'm with you, movement and scent is more critical than camo.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: WidowEater on July 05, 2008, 01:01:00 AM
i typically only were camo pants and not necisarily because their camo either i just like them as hunting pants.  

I wear subdued colors on top and somtimes a camo hat bu more often an olive drab bandana made of parachute silk.  Burt cork for the face sometimes depending on my mood.

Im with you in that I think camo is overrated.  I only where it when the convenient hunting clothes I have happen to be that color.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: MJB on July 05, 2008, 02:04:00 AM
Hap,
The vest is a Filson.

Mike
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Hot Hap on July 05, 2008, 04:24:00 AM
Thank you. Hap
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: sweet old bill on July 05, 2008, 04:42:00 AM
when the weather turns cold it back to filson wool in there green pants and coat...I sure do no think you need camo, as long as what you have on breaks up the outline and it is clean.

Bill
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Danny Rowan on July 05, 2008, 04:43:00 AM
Look at myavatar. That is the coat I always wear when hunting on the mainland in cold weather. Had deer within 5 feet of me in WV that never knew I was there. Sitting on the ground with my back against a big tree. I do wear camo to hunt in here on Guam, way too hot for my wool.

Danny
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: beaglesandbucks on July 05, 2008, 05:20:00 AM
We have been duped by the camo industry in the saem way some hunters think if "hang this scent on a limb"....bucks from all over the county come running.

The money is better spent on bows and arrows.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: woodchucker on July 05, 2008, 06:44:00 AM
I'm a wool sweater guy myself!!!!!

I even started making my own "huntin' jeans".....I take black denim jeans and wash them with bleach untill they come out "dirt brown"   :thumbsup:

When it gets really cold I have a few pair of wool pants that I found at the GoodWill store that I wear.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: SteveMcD on July 05, 2008, 08:28:00 AM
I'll wear camo for functionality as well. When called for. Otherwise, I'm partial to wool myself.  
 
"Jeans" nothing will lead you to hypothermia quicker than a wet pair of cotton jeans. Cotton can be a killer.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: BobT on July 05, 2008, 08:46:00 AM
I don't believe that camo has any real advantage over anything else for deer. I have had too many deer walk within a few feet of me when I was wearing blaze orange! I have to admit that I do wear camo most of the time but I'm sure that any difference it might make is very minuscule.

Bob
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on July 05, 2008, 10:42:00 AM
deer don't wear camo, and they disappear quickly
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Izzy on July 05, 2008, 06:24:00 PM
OD green Filson.My fave.I wear them all the time not just hunting.It makes me think Im hunting when I cant get out.  :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: centaur on July 05, 2008, 06:31:00 PM
I wear both subdued wool and camo, but tend more towards wool plaids. Camo is good, and lots of good hunting clothes are camo, but lots of wool non camo is great for hunting, too. I have several Pendleton shirts that have seen more than a few hunting trips.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Zbone on July 05, 2008, 06:47:00 PM
I'm looking for an earth tone colored wool plaid vest with a hood.

Anyone know where I can find such a thing?

Some clothing manufactures make hoody vests in women’s apparel, but I’m having a heck of a time finding what I’m looking for.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Eric Sprick on July 05, 2008, 10:42:00 PM
I've been kicking around the idea myself for the next season, we'll have to see.  Nice Robertsons' by the way.  Love mine.  Eric.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: pintail_drake2004 on July 05, 2008, 10:46:00 PM
i shot my first deer wearing a red buffalo plad shirt and black jeans. Camo is not necessary, but it helps!
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: BodarkOkie on July 05, 2008, 11:08:00 PM
Looks good to go, Frank.

Better looking than camo, also.  JMHO

Gene
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: woodchucker on July 05, 2008, 11:26:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SteveMcD:
 
"Jeans" nothing will lead you to hypothermia quicker than a wet pair of cotton jeans. Cotton can be a killer.
I've been hunting in "jeans" for over 30 years Steve,I aint dead yet buddy.....    ;)
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: GRW on July 06, 2008, 09:52:00 AM
I just watched a show on Outdoor channel about "how deer see".  The main subject was that deer DO see in color, just not all the colors that we see.  The thing that realy shows up to a deer is UV ( Ultra Violet)
Most fabrics that are comercialy made are bleached before any dying occures.  After the bleaching proccess the fabric goes through some procedure that brightens it, so that the dying proccess will stand out.  This brightening proccess covers the fabric with UV.  

Even "hunter orange" turns a dull/flat color when treated with some UV cover dye.  They put a new camo jacket next to a jacket in hunter orange that had been treated w/ the UV remover, and turned on a special UV/ florecent light.  The  camo jacket GLOWED with a light blue color, while the bright orange jacket look faded and flat.

It would seem that UV may be the biggest culprit in giving us away.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: SteveMcD on July 06, 2008, 09:55:00 AM
Basic Survival 101 Cotton Jeans are a no-no. To each his own.
 
All the best!
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: JDice on July 06, 2008, 01:05:00 PM
ON the wool vest hoodie - check out "day one camouflage". Their vests don't have full hoods - even so - their weather check collar is an interesting approach.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Zbone on July 08, 2008, 03:26:00 PM
Thanx JDice
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: George D. Stout on July 08, 2008, 03:51:00 PM
You just keep wearin' those jeans partner; just hope you don't get that cotton wet and have to spend the night.  Cotton is okay for early season but I always carry a wool shirt even then.

Camo is made for people, not deer.  It is totally unnecessary...but to each his own.  It's hard to find "hunting" clothes in anything but camo.  That's why I like the Goodwill store.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: bbassi on July 08, 2008, 04:23:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GRW:
I just watched a show on Outdoor channel about "how deer see".  The main subject was that deer DO see in color, just not all the colors that we see.  The thing that realy shows up to a deer is UV ( Ultra Violet)
Most fabrics that are comercialy made are bleached before any dying occures.  After the bleaching proccess the fabric goes through some procedure that brightens it, so that the dying proccess will stand out.  This brightening proccess covers the fabric with UV.  

Even "hunter orange" turns a dull/flat color when treated with some UV cover dye.  They put a new camo jacket next to a jacket in hunter orange that had been treated w/ the UV remover, and turned on a special UV/ florecent light.  The  camo jacket GLOWED with a light blue color, while the bright orange jacket look faded and flat.

It would seem that UV may be the biggest culprit in giving us away.
GRW - did you happen to pay attention to the commercials durring this "show"?   "[dntthnk]"
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: ChuckC on July 08, 2008, 04:49:00 PM
Does anyone wear wool pants during early season Colorado elk hunting ?  I am more worried about dying from dehydration at that time than anythng else.  I love wool, but how is it when everything is warm ?
ChuckC
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: woodchucker on July 08, 2008, 05:00:00 PM
Why Thank Ya George!!!!!    :wavey:  

After 6 years in the Marines,living in "rip-stop" cotton camo utilties,I've been "cold&wet" for days on end more times than I can remember.(like I said, I ain't dead yet!!!!!)

Like you,I always wear a wool sweater or 2 (against my skin) to keep my core temp (upper body) warm even if those old jeans do get wet.    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: woodchucker on July 08, 2008, 05:04:00 PM
ACTUALY.....Wool is GREAT in warm weather!!!!!

Wool breathes much better than tighter weaved cotton,and does not absorb persperation like cotton does. The real "secret" to wearing wool,is to wear it directly against your skin,and in layers according to the weather/temperature conditions.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: hvyhitter on July 08, 2008, 05:10:00 PM
Ah yes those fun filled days at "Camp Swampy" in NC. Field OPS at TLZ Bluebird in Feburary with a driving rain any daytime temps in the high 30s. At least we had the old wool/poly long johns and our wooly pullys under all that wet cotten. (pre gore-tex days of the old field jackets)
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Free Range on July 08, 2008, 05:13:00 PM
Fletcher, Teresa Ashbell wool? Where do you get a Teresa Ashbell wool shirt?
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Orion on July 08, 2008, 06:55:00 PM
Just about every piece of outer hunting clothes I wear and most of the underclothes as well is wool.  Some of its plaid, some of it's solid colored, some of it's camo.  I wear it for the warmth and quietness.  Just about anything works sitting up against a tree or in a ground blind made of natural materials.  Some of the lighter, more open camo patterns have the edge in open tree cover though.

Chuck:  I've been wearing 18 ounce or lighter wool for years on my western hunts.  Breathes real well and stays cool until the temps approach the 80s.  At those temperatures, which I've experienced on a couple of hunts, I was hot even when stripped down to my skivvies.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: ChuckC on July 08, 2008, 07:51:00 PM
Thanks Jerry.  I may have to go shopping.  I really like the feel and quietness of wool.  It doesn't seem to make me itch like it does a friend.  I have several wool shirts that I swear hide you as well or even better than most camo shirts I have seen.  

Jerry:  are you going to shoot at Horicon this weekend ?  Camping ?  John and Lamont and McDonald and crew will be there friday and saturday nights.  I will be there saturday night.  Got something in the way for early saturday morning.
ChuckC
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Orion on July 08, 2008, 08:17:00 PM
Can't make it on Saturday.  Plan to be there on Sunday.  Have some horse trading to do with Lamont among other things.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: toddster on July 09, 2008, 08:31:00 AM
I am game, I am up for a challenge.  Let's make a pact about not wearing camo for one season and gather data for those whom promote and overprice camo.  i find that the wool is the best, and for obvious reason most of us know, survival and cold wise.  Can get a really good shirt cheap from Ron on his site.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: BUFF on July 09, 2008, 12:42:00 PM
I hate to be a stick in the mud but I just don't get it. What is wrong with waring camo?
  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Dartwick on July 09, 2008, 01:12:00 PM
For everyone acting like people are taking their life in their hands if they wear jeans - here in the East its not a big deal most times.(not that I think Jjeans are ideal.)

I can go to place where im far from everything if I make real effort, but most of our hunting(even most of our best hunting) is not that removed from civilization.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: George D. Stout on July 09, 2008, 08:40:00 PM
Woodchucker....that's cause you're a Marine son...Marine's are tougher than everyone else 8^).
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: KentuckyTJ on July 09, 2008, 10:18:00 PM
I know this is a little off base but I don't buy any new camo or any type of hunting clothes anymore. For years I've worn a light weight leafy flage type jacket and pants over any kind of clean clothes I have.  In the early season when it's 90 degrees here in Kentucky I'll wear it over a pair of shorts and a tee shirt. It washes and dries in a minute.

I do agree Frank, not sure it matters what you have on as long as you are still and down wind.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Fletcher on July 09, 2008, 10:23:00 PM
Free Range, I got the shirt from Teresa.  She makes them up and sells them at the shoots she and Fred attend.  I don't think she sells by mail or internet.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Stone Knife on July 10, 2008, 05:43:00 AM
I have some real nice wool camo but I also like to wear my $10 army surplus wool pants they go well with my $5 thrift shop sweaters and wool shirts. When I first started hunting I didn't even own any camo, but I still was successful, being still is the key along with not being the thing that stands out in the woods.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Anaconda12 on July 10, 2008, 05:55:00 AM
I have not worn camo in years I got tired of paying those prices for the next great camo and the thing would be faded in a couple of washings.  I am a batural tone and plaid guy usually wool, although cotton on hot days.  Some of my favorite hunting pants are a pair of dark green carhart pants the regular tan also work well.  "CAMO" on the Moose John.  I actually have four of these shirts, they were new wool shirts on clearance from Sierra Trading post!  5.99 apiece they are perfect!

  (http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/anaconda12/Picture253.jpg)
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Stykbow62 on July 10, 2008, 06:29:00 PM
I'm like Buff..."What's wrong with wearing camo" ?
I hope it's not the "it's not traditional" idea again or " I'm a better hunter than you " idea because I hunt without camo. To me your a traditional hunter with or without camo and hunting without camo make's you no better of a hunter than those who wear it.
Sorry for this long exortation, this is just my opinion, it could be wrong or it could be right.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: woodchucker on July 10, 2008, 10:05:00 PM
There's NOTHING "wrong" with wearing camo.....

Some of us choose to live our lives as they were lived years ago,in a "simpler" time. It also, has nothing to do with being "better than you" because we DON"T wear camo. It has to do with walking a simpler path. We do not need to go home and change ito our new "state of the art" camo before we go hunting,we just put on some old dull-colored clothes  and head out the door.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Stykbow62 on July 10, 2008, 11:53:00 PM
Thanks for the explanation Woodchucker. I do enjoy being able to discuss our different opinions and not    getting into an argueing match. I can definitely respect someone's opinion when it is handled like this. Once again thanks and good huntin.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: zwickey2bl on July 11, 2008, 12:32:00 AM
I have hunted a lot w/out camo and like others have stated, have been so close to deer that it's hard for me to swallow the "you gotta have this camo to get this close" stuff.

I have also decided that I will not be buying any new camo. I like getting my stuff at thrift stores and closeouts and putting it together into a functional hunting setup. It just feels right to do without it these days.

What really makes me laugh is the gunhunters that act like they gotta have head-to-toe camo and then go sit in an enclosed shooting house all day. They could be wearing Elton John's electric suit and it wouldn't matter!
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: woodchucker on July 11, 2008, 09:13:00 AM
"I Got ELECTRIC BOOTS!!!!! A Mo-Hair SUIT!!!!! Your know I saw it in a (HUNTIN')MAGAZINE!!!!!!!!!!"

   :biglaugh:    :biglaugh:    :biglaugh:    :biglaugh:    :biglaugh:    :biglaugh:    :biglaugh:
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: BUFF on July 11, 2008, 09:18:00 AM
Cheater
  (http://buffsblackwidow.com/images/fredbear1.jpg)
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Yolla Bolly on July 11, 2008, 10:01:00 AM
Ok---just for discussion's sake, what about turkey huntin?
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: woodchucker on July 11, 2008, 10:07:00 AM
This is for this coming "Fall" season,So I would have to say no. But.....for SPRING!!!!!    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Blue Moose on July 11, 2008, 10:08:00 AM
Every Christmas, I get a pile 'o camo stuff from people who assume that's what I'd want. So...I gotta pass on the pact. To not wear something I got in abundance for free would be a wee bit on the dumb side, I think;).
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: woodchucker on July 11, 2008, 10:10:00 AM
Blue Moose,

Yup!!!!!!!!!!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: on July 11, 2008, 11:07:00 AM
With regard to how deer see--- all they are trying to do is sell you some new product-- never heard such BS---
how many times have you seen these guys on TV wearing a black hat-- black jacket-- or the guide is wearing jeans and some blue jacket--
what about the blaze orange vests--- guys wearing camo with blaze orange vest--- not all this stuff has the UV brighteners-- it that were the case-
the kill would be down by 50% +++++
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: woodchucker on July 11, 2008, 11:48:00 AM
I have never really excepted the "UV" line of thinking,and that deer saw things as "blue".....

When I was a kid growing up on a farm in western N.Y. we all hunted in blue "pinstripe" denim barn coveralls.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: SouthMDShooter on July 11, 2008, 12:25:00 PM
haha great post Buff
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: joe skipp on July 11, 2008, 01:02:00 PM
Cool thread....I believe in camo 'cause I'm a ground pounder, ambush sites, stillhunting etc..
Always want to match my camo to the area I hunt in. The "few" times I hit the tree, like in Jersey when theres no available cover around, my choice is Sticks 'N LImbs for my jacket...same top when I bear hunt. A few pics below of my camo...30 yd shot to the wood pile and just a close up of my standard camo. To each his own, if your having fun and successful and just plain enjoying the hunt, who cares what you wear..

Effectiveness at 30 yds of ASAT and Sticks 'N Limbs...

 (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/sf1oak/scan0002-7.jpg)

Early season Kelly Brown Tru Leaf and ASAT

 (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/sf1oak/scan0001-5.jpg)
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: TexasBubba on July 11, 2008, 03:25:00 PM
Buff,
You took my ideal.  When I saw this thread I thought of the old days when the great ones wore camo.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: woodchucker on July 11, 2008, 03:27:00 PM
Hey there Skipper!!!!! I was wonderin' when you'd show up!!!!!   :archer:
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Don Stokes on July 11, 2008, 04:20:00 PM
TexasBubb's picture reminded me- I'm more likely to camo my bow than my bod, because when a deer's close, the bow moves more than the rest of me. Started doing that when I noticed my bro coming towards me in the woods because of the flash of his bow's limbs.
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: Widowbender on July 11, 2008, 05:19:00 PM
I wear camo...Why?
1. Its cheap (WalMart,closeout,clearance,etc.)
2. Its comfortable. (Duh!!)
3. See reasons 1 & 2.

David
Title: Re: No Camo Deer Season
Post by: b.glass on July 11, 2008, 05:46:00 PM
Heading to the UP of Michigan Sun. Would love to find Ron LaCLairs Archery shop and pick up a wool shirt. If not, I'll order one. Would like to try "no camo" this year like alot of you.