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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Wannabe1 on September 02, 2008, 10:54:00 PM
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While out hunting today, I came across two young wheeliebow hunters. In passing I asked them how they were doing, how's the hunting, have they seen anything, etc. etc. In response one of them tells me they've seen about thirteen deer. (Questionable since it was pretty warm and I hadn't seen anything but, not impossible.) He then proceeded to tell me how he got a shot off on a little spike and when he went to retrieve his arrow, found a little blood and a tuft of hair on the broadhead but no blood trail. I commented on how it sounded like he might have just nicked the little buck and probably didn't hurt it much.
I then asked him how far the shot was and he stated it was around 70 or so yards. I realize compounds are pretty fancy with all their gadgets and all but, why would anyone attempt a 70 yard shot on a little spike buck? It would seem to me that the risk of such a long shot and the probability of wounding an animal would make a person think twice before attempting it. I have yet to take my first deer or anything with my bow but, I would never attempt something that far no matter how bad I wanted to connect! I just shook my head and bid them farewell and continued on my way. Since the conversation, it has nagged at me all day!
I believe I will just stick with my traditional gear and my 25yd comfort zone, thank you very much! Stay safe and straight shooting my friends.
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I think your ninth word says it all. Young. Hap
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Idiots are pretty evenly dispersed throughout the world...sounds like you found a couple today.
David
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I see idiots, they are every where.
No matter compound, stick shooter, or rifle it is a shame we have people like that in the field. Thank you to all that have brought up a youngen to respect the wild game, the laws and ethics that go along with hunting.
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Just enable the "youth" filter in your brain -
Deer = grey squirrels
Got a shot off = his buddy bet him he couldn't hit it
Tuft of hair with no bloodtrail = His buddy was right
70yd shot = 25 in the brush.
Stories are always better when they're padded for excitement.
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I'm going to have to buck the trend a bit, as I've met my share of older yayhoos, too.
That said, wihill makes a good point - he probably eyeballed that 70 yd. shot, put his 70 yd pin ('cause he's probably got pins for every 10 yards), and launched a pencil-thin carbon rod with a 100 grain broadhead right across its back.
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No No The to young guy's are just caught up in the compound world. There missing all the real hunting, they will give it up or stick with it and learn about hunting. I've seen it alot in the last 25 years of hunting.Do your on thing and don't worry about it. :saywhat:
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Like alot of people that have shot a compound bow, I used to practice at that range and was fairly deadly in a practice setting. Using a rangefinder, like many compound users do, would allow fairly accurate range estimation. I would never, however, attempt a shot at nearly that distance when hunting. Too many variables. Crosswinds, deer moving, etc.
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When I shot my compound with all the gadgets I could hold sub 5" groups at 100 yds. all day long and would shoot 3" dots at 60 and cover them with 8 arrows, but I would never shoot at a deer at 70 yds even though I knew I could double lung one every time, there are to many factors going into play.Lots of idiots out there they will find you and make them selves look even more idiotic.
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I'm with GrnMtnTradNut on this one. I shot a wheel bow for many years at very long distences. BUT, no matter how proficient I was, I would never attempt to take game at that distance. There are just too many other factors at work which are amplified over that distance. Come hunting season I would set one pin for 25 years and that was my max range.
Even now with my trad gear, I know I can hit targets at a much longer distance then I would actually shoot at game.
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what does young have to do with it?! Im 19 years old, i killed my first deer at 9 witha rifle then killed my first bow deer at 13 then my first with a recurve at 14. I have now killed about 20 deer with a recurve and have NEVER wounded or lost one. I think it is stupid to blame the poor shoot on the guy being young, he took the shot because hes ignorant not young.
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Ignorance...can be fixed.
Stupidity.....however is forever.
Winterhawk1960
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Most people that start out hunting,more so when they are doing it on the own make mistakes and that is how they learn.My guess is if the kid was carrying a stickbow he might have tried the shot.After a few like that he will learn to either shoot better or get closer.:)It is just part of the whole process.jmo
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I dunno. With the crap on TV every week, the lead by exammple guys are winning this battle.
On Hank Parkers 3D, his son shoots a deer with his compound device. They never said how far it was but it was a full 3 seconds before the arrow got there. This is what people see and they think it's ok.
I agree with Southmd shooter though, young doesn't have much to do with it.
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SouthMDShooter, Sorry if I offended your youth, what I was saying is that they are young in experience. :cool:
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To expand on what SouthMDShooter said, I think today's youth has a better grasp of what is right, moreso than most thirty year olds. It is more a matter of mindset than age and always has been.
The "outdoor shows" are of no help to anyone that I can think of and most will probably self-destruct over time.
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I just want to clarify that I had no problem with the age of these to hunters or the fact that they were using compounds. I just found it amazing that they would take a shot at an animal at that distance with all the variables to consider. I know some of you used to be compound shooters and got very proficient at that range but, as stated in some of the posts, too many factors could come into play and a person could end up with a wounded animal running on the loose.
I used the word young when refering to these hunters as they were quite a bit younger than me. Didn't neccesarrily mean young in mind set. I'm sorry for opening a can of worms and hope that I offended no one. Just wanted to say what was on my mind.
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Better they are out there hunting then doing drugs, no matter what their using or saying.
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If I'm not mistaken that's why the wound ratio is so high with compound hunters. I was in a camp last year with 20 hunters 4 wounded deer.
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A guy I work with son, went to SD on a pronghorn hunt and he was told to practice to 80 yards.
His son shot one at 85 yds. He said on the video the arrow looked like it fell from the sky! Then he proceeds to tell me that one guy missed like 7 times, can't imagine that! LOL
I was invited to go next year but I just had to pass.
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It's so easy to blame it on " youth ", " compound hunters", but what it really looks like is poor judgment, and inexperience. We've all been there.
At least I can say I was young ones, now I took a traditional bow 30 years ago, didn't practice very much at all, got a license, shot a deer in the first day, made the shot, clean passthrough, both lungs. Bottom line " poor judgment " I was 24 years old, wasn't stupid, wasn't an ignorant.
I'm made poor judgment, still got the deer, but I didn't get to take it home, some 300 lb. jerk, got to the deer before I did, he was probably 10 or 15 years old and I was, " he made poor judgment, took my deer. We have all been there, stop making excuses for justifying our height on the pedestal. We are all hunters, at different levels, and everyone's got their own shoes to fill, and everyone has to learn from their experiences, if they choose to.
But I have not known Tradgang to be a "compound basher"
So let's not start now ! take a breather on this one, and remember how you started out.
Everyone has baggage, it's just a matter of style of suitcase you carry it in !
Give him a break, maybe someday, they'll carry a stick and an arrow, and even make good choices.
Pastor Carl
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In my oppinion taking shots at that distance defeats the whole purpose of bow hunting. If you want to shoot at that distance wait 'til gun season.
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Just as a reminder of our history. It is stated in "Bows on the Little Delta", that the world record barren ground caribou was killed in 1958 at 125 yards and on the same hunt a different hunter shot the world record Dall sheep on a running animal at 65 yards. I wonder how many animals were wounded back in the day by our current heroes?
http://www.sandcreekarchery.com/ldb.htm
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Agreed that we gain experience with age and time in the field, but a lot of folks don't benefit from that experience, i.e., they continue to take shots beyond their capabilities in the hope they'll get lucky. Or worse, because they're driven to look good on TV, or want to impress their hunting buddies, they will take shots beyond their ability with little regard for the animal hunted. It boils down to sacrificing ethics in the name of greed, greed for money, greed for recognition and fame, etc. There are names for folks like that. They're called Slobs, and there are a lot more of them than people realize.
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Yup.. they are young. Possibly inexperienced. But I don't see how you can blame them. When they see the "TV Pro's" making the same shots.
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One of the things you learn as you get un-young is that there is very little new under the sun, particularly human nature.
A woman I know told me how a group of bowhunters flooded a nearby field on the opening day of deer season and conducted a drive through the field. One of them saw that her hunting companion was carrying a bow. The guy came over and asked for advice on how to shoot his own new bow. It still had the price tag attached; there hadn't been time to remove it on the drive over from the sporting goods store.
The woman is my mom, her hunting companion was my dad, and the year was somewhere around 1950. My dad also sent a phony hunting club award to a guy who shot a goat in a pasture. The guy didn't get the joke, thought the award was authentic, and displayed it proudly in his establishment. My dad never had the nerve to tell him the truth.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ishi was occasionally disgusted with the shooting that he saw. And Ötzi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ötzi_the_Iceman) probably spent his last minutes cursing the slob that wounded him in the shoulder, instead of making a clean lung shot.
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I'm not compound bashing or anything of the sort, but taking that type of shot with a bow and arrow, of any kind, is idiotic. That doesn't mean that its something that they can't grow out of. It also has nothing to do with the age of the individual. There are a lot of folks out there that think they just need to "Get an arrow in him" and they've done their part...some they find, some they don't..."That's just bowhunting" they say if they don't find them. I totally agree that hunting shows hurt the cause of ethical hunting more than anything. I was watching one the other day and the hunter was after caribou with a stickbow...I think he took about five shots at caribou (on film) during the hunt. All were over 45 yards and one was about 50 yards at a caribou bull that was facing the hunter. Another was something like 45 yards at a running caribou. I guess its possible that an inexperienced hunter would think "heck, if he can do that with a stickbow, I'm good to go with my compound"...My eight year old son was watching and said "that guy's a nut!!"
David
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I dunno...I LIKE bashing compounds. It's put a flood of people into the bow woods that wouldn't be there if they had to do what it takes to use a bow.
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They might still be there, Biggie. Just not shooting as well.
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The one's that wouldn't put in the time, that is.
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Hey everyone, the word 'young' is taken the wrong way. I'm 15 years old and have made the switch to a longbow from a compound, but when I was shooting a compound, I was by no means that ignorant even though I was about 13-14. Never shot a deer with that bow, although many nice bucks walked thirty yards from where I was. I just knew I couldn't make the shot because it was out of range/not good shot. I beleive that I have a great respect for the land and the animals I hunt too. Even if I am 15.
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Widowbender I know exactly who you are talikng about as I have seen the same episode. He's an idiot anyway, and from the looks of things, far from young.
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This morning I saw a well-known TV archer shoot a bighorn ram at something over 60 yards. It looked too far back, but they found it. On an earlier long-range attempt on a different sheep, the arrow hit around the ram's front hoof.
Is there any wonder??
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Lee, I wish I had had half of your maturity and knowledge when I was fifteen. You are right, youth is not necessarily rash and reckless, just as adults are not necessarily possessed of wisdom and sound judgement.
Stupid happens! :knothead:
Killdeer~You are welcome in my camp any day. :thumbsup:
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Lee, I concur w/Killdeer. You would be most welcome in my camp. I applaud you for your sound judgment and wisdom and hope those that come in contact w/you may learn from our youth. As I stated before, I only meant young as in they were much younger than I.
Stay safe and shoot straight.
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I've made a mistake or 2 in my archery life and in other parts too. I actually have to commend his honesty. He must have been feeling a bit guilty. Jawge
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George, that is entirely possible as I cannot read into peoples hearts or minds but, I must admit I didn't get that feeling. The feeling was more like, "It was no big deal." I think this was what nagged me most.
I suppose one never knows........
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I just hope the "tuft of hair" and blood didn't come from another hunter.
Stay tuned to "Cold Case Files" and cross your fingers. Maybe we need kevlar more than camo.
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This topic brings to mind the lack of passing down the tradition! I am active in youth shooting sports Basic Archery I'm constantly urging parents to teach there kids Woodsman ship first,and recommend Starting them out on small game ,If they want to spend some time in a tree stand have them use a camera not a crossbow. I think we should use this tread as a reminder of our responsibility to pass on our beliefs and craft we will all be better off for it! MIKE
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Your absolutely right Mike! I now wish that I had taken a moment longer and talked with the two hunters. 'Course it would have been up to them to hear what I was saying but, at least I could have done my part and pointed out the variables and risks at taking a shot at that distance. Maybe one or both would have listened and thought twice when next faced with that situation.
You know the ol' saying, "Hind sight is 20/20."