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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Bob Miller on September 23, 2008, 07:40:00 PM
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I just received a Double Bull Blind, that I ordered from 3 Rivers Archery, that was made in China, Camo clothing from Caelas made in Vietnwm. Rifle made in Japan from Browning, Camo Tshirts made in Cambodia. The only items made in the good USA are my hunting bows and wood arrows, and Windchester Ammo. What is wrong with this picture? I will never order anythins else before asking the question " was it made in the USA"
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You might have to start making your own stuff or hunt in the buff :biglaugh:
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:rolleyes:
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well bob if ya go live in china ya might be able to buy stuff made in the usa :biglaugh: :biglaugh: now that would be cool
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I have asked on previous threads "IS MADE IN USA IMPORTANT TO YOU?" having been raised in a union steelworkers house in the late 70's and early 80's I was brought up knowing it's important to buy products made here,that way we keep each other working.As I was taught ALL of our manufacturing jobs with a few exceptions have moved overseas.Why do you think the U.S.A. won World War II ? It's because we converted our MANUFACTURING PLANTS over to help us make the neccesary goods to fight the war.Who is going to make our products this time? China? Who do you think we'll be fighting this time? China? (When they decide they want ALL of the money they've lent us!!!) We need to start teaching our kids that it IS important to support AMERICAN JOBS.It may already be too late.
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Take a walk thru Walmart and see what is made in China. We are our own worst enemies.
ChuckC
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Hope you don't mind walking, unless you get ya a good ol' arkansas mule. Doubt there's a mode of transportation out there that ain't got parts from china under the hood.
Ever wonder why the kill zones on 3D animals ain't what they should be? Because Mr. Chang at his drafting table in downtown Bejing doesn't know where the kill zone is on a javelina that resides in texas.
Its a bummer, but I don't blame the chinese. I blame the guy who contracted it out to them.
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I read an article not too long ago about a woman who decided she'd had enough with scares on Chinese made food and toys. She vowed to buy nothing made in China. She could feed her family ok if she kept an eye on things, but clothing them and getting other things for daily life was damn near impossible.
Guy
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OH my, go ahead pull my chain. (http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l101/GUNSMITHAMMO/Smileys/icon_hang.gif)
I have more XXX stuff and suffer so much for it. I won't mention how much you do, not to mention my brothers which you are.
I am not only full I'm violated.
Brent
Flash light anyone? :eek: Maximun maxus lums, nope not latin.
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I remember when Wal-Mart started getting big. They used to pride themselfs in their TV ads about only selling items American Made. Sadly, because it is cheaper to manufacture outside of this country, they wouldn't be a store without having overseas products. The real sad fact is that it is the American owned companies that own the factories in those overseas countrys. How can you have a competitive world trade when the playing field is not equal.
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I have become an Asian Hunter
And here I thought maybe a new season had opened up! :biglaugh:
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The sad thing is it's all about the money!! Companies are willing to sell out their country, fellow citizens, and anything else for a few extra dollars. And worst of all they have more money than they couls spend in 10 lifetimes!! :banghead:
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I don,t use any products from china as possible as I can.
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Now WalMarts adds say, no joke, "bring it home to the USA".
It's a sad state we're in, fer sure.
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Hera- yours is the only legitimate and realistic defence. I can't agree with those who accuse the companies that do business with China as being the culprits. That is sticking your head in the soil, because they wouldn't/couldn't bring products from China if we simply did not buy them. They exist because we support them. We are the ones to blame- we who vote for these trade practices with our dollars. If you are prepared to place the restrictions on your purchasing- which as indicated by the above comment, is very hard to do- then you have a right to criticize this practice. Otherwise, I sympathize with you- but the vehemence of your positions is eroded by where you spend your dollars.
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Steel mills, money and overseas all boil down to greed. If you care to look into it further you'll see American steel execs did not invest in the mills and thus could not compete with newer mills in the orient. Go look at the out-of order mills here-they were built in the 1940's and never upgraded. Newer and more efficient mills overseas produced a better quality steel -cheaper.
Pure ecomonics, ladies and gentlemen. I did some research in my MBA program years ago and found these things. That said, my wanderings in the local Cabelas store has plenty of China and VietNam labels-which I eschew for USA products if I can get them.
I heard on NPR that the cheaper chinese products are also going up in price as the "slave labor" market is drying up and the chinese workers are looking for more rights. But you only have to look at baby formula to see how crooked the system is there , too.
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Unfortunatly, Good ol' Uncle Sam has played a bit of a part in this. The politicians, more specifically......
Hard to stay in buisness when you have to pay upwards of 78% of what you pay your employees to Uncle Sugar, not to mention Workers Comp, crazy health care costs, and several other additional costs....
Hard to compete with 12 dollars a week and gov provided healthcare.
They can have it though! Im happy right here in the good ol'US of A, and will continue to pay that employee tax, workers comp, and healthcare.............
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It is a sad state of affairs....
Hunting related---I've not bought a treestand in 8 years... They are all made in China. Yes, I hunt mostly from the ground.
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There is nobody to blame. Lets be honest.
Few businessmen in america except at the top are striking it rich. If you're payin guys in america even minimum wage to make things you can't compete trying to sell your product at the same price as someone who pays three cents an hour in manufacturing costs. If materials and worksmanship are good enough the guy with the slave labor is going to also be able to buy wholesale and smoke your small business off the market. It's just life.
If you are a small businessman trying to claw your way up the ladder it won't happen paying american wages when nobody else is.
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You are the one that chooses your consumer habits. You can get by with a lot less than you do. You just choose not to. Be honest. Very little of what you need is exclusively made in China. The overamped, hyperconsumeristic spending habits of our culture created this. To compare to generations past is irrelevant and silly. We want stuff. Companies make stuff and sell it to us at the greatest profit they can. To ask them to do otherwise is counterproductive.
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A year ago I bought a Chevy, because I wanted my hard earned money to go to my fella North American...
Guess what:
Engine is made in China, transmission in Japan...
Next truck will be a Japanese one.
F-Manny
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Years ago, I managed a hat factory. Walmart asked us to bid on a 1 million hat order for their "Buy American" program. We bid $3.06 per hat and lost the bid to a Tiawan company that bid $3.04. It eventually cost 100 jobs and closed us down. All for $.02 a hat. I'll gladly pay more for the quality and suitability of american made if the retailers will offer it. They don't even provide a choice anymore.
I don't trust any Chinese product after the scandals involving baby food, toys, and pet food. I'll save my money and buy American even if I have to do without the latest gizmo.
Chuck
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Originally posted by Chuck Jones:
...I'll save my money and buy American even if I have to do without the latest gizmo.
Chuck
Nice sentiment! I agree but we are in the vast minority.
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Its not just the labor its the benifits also. Overseas there are no retirement or health benifits being paid in most cases. Not to mention taxes and liability.There is noway any company in the USA can compete when the overhead overthere is so cheap.
SL
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Originally posted by Foxtail:
Hera- yours is the only legitimate and realistic defence. I can't agree with those who accuse the companies that do business with China as being the culprits. That is sticking your head in the soil, because they wouldn't/couldn't bring products from China if we simply did not buy them. They exist because we support them. We are the ones to blame- we who vote for these trade practices with our dollars. If you are prepared to place the restrictions on your purchasing- which as indicated by the above comment, is very hard to do- then you have a right to criticize this practice. Otherwise, I sympathize with you- but the vehemence of your positions is eroded by where you spend your dollars.
Well said.
I don't buy the product made in china as possible as I can.But it is difficult to distinguish the meterial from china.
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JDS3...... I'm pretty sure Screaming Eagle is still made in Montana. :thumbsup:
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There are a lot of us who frequent this forum who still make a product. Trouble is, most of those products are only for use in hunting or shooting.
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Thank you Barney... I didn't know that any were still made in the USA.
JDSIII
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Yep purchased one from Roy a month ago OUTSTANDING tree stand :thumbsup: